yes or no ? and why

i say interview him

going4roses;842300006 said:

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yes or no ? and why

i say interview him

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The question is whether he'd WANT to interview with us.

Failing that let's grab Coach K or Billy Donovan

If he says yes to an interview it is really just a 5 second or so conversation.

"Hi Shaka, the job is yours. How much do you want? I will get back to you in 2 days".

You then see if the powers that be will come up with the likely 2.5 to 4 million it would take. But if Cal is EVER going to be serious about its D1 athletics, if that scenario played itself out that is what you would do.

CAUSE EVERY OTHER F'ING PROGRAM AT A MAJOR CONFERENCE WOULD DO EXACTLY THAT if Shaka agreed to talk.

If cal wouldn't it isn't serious about revenue sports and it should simply stop wasting OUR time and playing with OUR emotions.

socaltownie;842300016 said:

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If he says yes to an interview it is really just a 5 second or so conversation.

"Hi Shaka, the job is yours. How much do you want? I will get back to you in 2 days".

You then see if the powers that be will come up with the likely 2.5 to 4 million it would take. But if Cal is EVER going to be serious about its D1 athletics, if that scenario played itself out that is what you would do.

CAUSE EVERY OTHER F'ING PROGRAM AT A MAJOR CONFERENCE WOULD DO EXACTLY THAT if Shaka agreed to talk.

If cal wouldn't it isn't serious about revenue sports and it should simply stop wasting OUR time and playing with OUR emotions.

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I laughed out loud. Thanks.

grandmastapoop;842300020 said:

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I laughed out loud. Thanks.

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I wrote that to get a chuckle but I am serious about it. There are too many people at UC that simply think of sports as somehow "less serious" than things like...well....how about Women's studies. They would NEVER tolerate creating a program/department and not absolutely trying to be the absolute best in the country at it. They would identify and recruit bright faculty well respected in the field. They would demand at tenure review a loaded CV. They would seek excellence and invest in it.

Not so sports - even though both are endevours that are not about really creating direct connections to future employment (you can't get hired to "do" women's studies outside of a PhD in it...to make other PhDs) but rather teaching and molding individuals who will use those skills in other areas to lead productive lives.

socaltownie;842300016 said:

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If he says yes to an interview it is really just a 5 second or so conversation.

"Hi Shaka, the job is yours. How much do you want? I will get back to you in 2 days".

You then see if the powers that be will come up with the likely 2.5 to 4 million it would take. But if Cal is EVER going to be serious about its D1 athletics, if that scenario played itself out that is what you would do.

CAUSE EVERY OTHER F'ING PROGRAM AT A MAJOR CONFERENCE WOULD DO EXACTLY THAT if Shaka agreed to talk.

If cal wouldn't it isn't serious about revenue sports and it should simply stop wasting OUR time and playing with OUR emotions.

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Okay I think I see the source for your attitude on this board. You ACTUALLY expect Cal to be a top-tier school in revenue sports. I'm not sure how you arrived at that assumption, or why accepting reality is proving to be so difficult for you, but at least I understand the source of the attitude, however odd your original assumptions seem to me.

I wish you peace. :gobears:

BeachyBear;842300034 said:

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Okay I think I see the source for your attitude on this board. You ACTUALLY expect Cal to be a top-tier school in revenue sports. I'm not sure how you arrived at that assumption, or why accepting reality is proving to be so difficult for you, but at least I understand the source of the attitude, however odd your original assumptions seem to me.

I wish you peace. :gobears:

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Beachy - You don't CHOOSE a team you started rooting for when you first started being dragged to games by your faculty father at the ripe age of 6. You simply root for them. Basically akin to DNA.

Townie, you are the yin to my yang.

socaltownie;842300016 said:

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You then see if the powers that be will come up with the likely 2.5 to 4 million it would take. But if Cal is EVER going to be serious about its D1 athletics, if that scenario played itself out that is what you would do.

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Thinking Cal is going to pay Shaka Smart $4 million a year is a complete fantasy

LocoOso;842300060 said:

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Thinking Cal is going to pay Shaka Smart $4 million a year is a complete fantasy

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here is the thing Loco - BASICALLY EVERY OTHER PAC-12 PROGRAM _WOULD_ do that. By essentially saying it is a complete fantasy you acknowledge that cal goes into these searches with an arm tied behind its back. You also are essentially advocating moving down to play in the Mountain West or another "second tier" conference.

Bring it hard or do not bring it at all.

BeachyBear;842300034 said:

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Okay I think I see the source for your attitude on this board. You ACTUALLY expect Cal to be a top-tier school in revenue sports. I'm not sure how you arrived at that assumption, or why accepting reality is proving to be so difficult for you, but at least I understand the source of the attitude, however odd your original assumptions seem to me.

I wish you peace. :gobears:

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Huh? What would be odd about those assumptions?

he could coach up Cameron Rooks. :>)

socaltownie;842300044 said:

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Beachy - You don't CHOOSE a team you started rooting for when you first started being dragged to games by your faculty father at the ripe age of 6. You simply root for them. Basically akin to DNA.

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Understand that.

This reminds me of the old joke about the "chosen people"

Please, God, choose someone else!

socaltownie;842300066 said:

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here is the thing Loco - BASICALLY EVERY OTHER PAC-12 PROGRAM _WOULD_ do that. By essentially saying it is a complete fantasy you acknowledge that cal goes into these searches with an arm tied behind its back. You also are essentially advocating moving down to play in the Mountain West or another "second tier" conference.

Bring it hard or do not bring it at all.

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I'm not "advocating" anything. I'm just telling you how it is. Cal will not pay any coach $4 million a year. Billy Donovan and Tom Izzo don't make $4 million a year. As for other Pac-12 programs, UCLA pays Steve Alford $3 million a year, and Sean Miller is making $2.6 million a season in total compensation. Cal is not going to pay nearly $1.5 million more than Arizona for a coach.

LocoOso;842300095 said:

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I'm not "advocating" anything. I'm just telling you how it is. Cal will not pay any coach $4 million a year. Billy Donovan and Tom Izzo don't make $4 million a year. As for other Pac-12 programs, UCLA pays Steve Alford $3 million a year, and Sean Miller is making $2.6 million a season in total compensation. Cal is not going to pay nearly $1.5 million more than Arizona for a coach.

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Miller's number is base and doesn't include the extras like the endorsement deals with Booster's auto dealerships.

socaltownie;842300066 said:

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here is the thing Loco - BASICALLY EVERY OTHER PAC-12 PROGRAM _WOULD_ do that. By essentially saying it is a complete fantasy you acknowledge that cal goes into these searches with an arm tied behind its back. You also are essentially advocating moving down to play in the Mountain West or another "second tier" conference.

Bring it hard or do not bring it at all.

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Enough is enough, man. Every program would do what, exactly? WSU didn't sign Shaka Smart for four milliion dollars, either. LOL WHAT LOSERS THEY ARE! It must be because they don't want to be good. This is the only logical explanation, as there are no such thing as financial constraints, and programs don't have inherent limitations that would make them unattractive to a prospective coach.

You really seem to believe that the only thing Cal lacks is the resolve to be good, and if only the community at large could some how just *decide* to do what's necessary we would be an elite program. This is a fantasy, and it's annoying to everyone else because it makes you think that you can change things by lecturing us about how we "don't want it badly enough". Also, it makes you believe that it's some one's fault when things don't go well -- they just needed to really *want* it after all, and how hard can that be? So you go around thinking that it's obvious that people should be fired from jobs that you only dimly understand. I don't mean to convince you of anything -- I don't think that's possible. But I just want you to know how you look to others when you make these arguments: you look like you're foaming at the mouth.

antipattern;842300105 said:

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Enough is enough, man. Every program would do what, exactly? WSU didn't sign Shaka Smart for four milliion dollars, either. LOL WHAT LOSERS THEY ARE! It must be because they don't want to be good. This is the only logical explanation, as there are no such thing as financial constraints, and programs don't have inherent limitations that would make them unattractive to a prospective coach.

You really seem to believe that the only thing Cal lacks is the resolve to be good, and if only the community at large could some how just *decide* to do what's necessary we would be an elite program. This is a fantasy, and it's annoying to everyone else because it makes you think that you can change things by lecturing us about how we "don't want it badly enough". Also, it makes you believe that it's some one's fault when things don't go well -- they just needed to really *want* it after all, and how hard can that be? So you go around thinking that it's obvious that people should be fired from jobs that you only dimly understand. I don't mean to convince you of anything -- I don't think that's possible. But I just want you to know how you look to others when you make these arguments: you look like you're foaming at the mouth.

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Amen.

antipattern;842300105 said:

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You really seem to believe that the only thing Cal lacks is the resolve to be good, and if only the community at large could some how just *decide* to do what's necessary we would be an elite program.

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While I agree this isn't the only barrier to success, that doesn't mean it's not one of them.

GB54;842300010 said:

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Failing that let's grab Coach K or Billy Donovan

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I like your line of thinking, but I'm not sure we'd take Coach K right now given his age

if you're keeping a list GB54, I'd add in Calipari - that guy just squeezes the best out of true freshmen every year - imagine what he'd do with a veteran squad like at Cal - LIGHTS OUT!!

another guy who's a bit under the radar is Bill Self - though, again, I'd probably pass given (a) age and (b) doesn't always perform that well in the NCAAs

My biggest issue with Cal sports is not that we won't pay a BB coach $3.5million but the fact that money seems to be wasted in the AD. We gave Tedford a contract without a buyout and when we fired him it bit us in the ass. So what does our brilliant AD do, she gives our new Def. Coordinator $1.5 million over 3 years with no buyout. And now we fired him and have to eat his contract. So with these two contract decisions we are on the hook for around $2 million per year for coaches that no longer coach here.

The Buh contract was especially idiotic because he had no proven track record. He probably would have gladly accepted the DC position even if there was a buyout. Tedford's contract is somewhat more understandable because he had previous success. But it would make sense to have buyouts whenever possible just so we can avoid having similar "dead" money situations.

The other thing that drives me nuts is that coaches of non revenue sports get paid money when their sport is a net loss every year. I realize that they don't get paid a lot of money but to me if you are a non revenue sport you should be self sustaining.

SouthBayPhenom;842300136 said:

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I like your line of thinking, but I'm not sure we'd take Coach K right now given his age

if you're keeping a list GB54, I'd add in Calipari - that guy just squeezes the best out of true freshmen every year - imagine what he'd do with a veteran squad like at Cal - LIGHTS OUT!!

another guy who's a bit under the radar is Bill Self - though, again, I'd probably pass given (a) age and (b) doesn't always perform that well in the NCAAs

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Yeah I'd like to stay away from the Flowmax crowd. We've already had that. Coach Cal or Billy D or Brad Stevens. Let's draw the line in the sand

GB54;842300139 said:

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Yeah I'd like to stay away from the Flowmax crowd. We've already had that. Coach Cal or Billy D or Brad Stevens. Let's draw the line in the sand

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Brad Stevens would have been a GREAT choice last season (if only we'd known Monty was retiring this year) - but, it would take quite a bit to get him now - probably $6MM or so. I think that's pretty feasible actually so add him to your search list GB54.

SouthBayPhenom;842300149 said:

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Brad Stevens would have been a GREAT choice last season (if only we'd known Monty was retiring this year) - but, it would take quite a bit to get him now - probably $6MM or so. I think that's pretty feasible actually so add him to your search list GB54.

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Brad Stevens? The Celtics coach?

Your schtick is tired, bro.

antipattern;842300105 said:

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Enough is enough, man. Every program would do what, exactly? WSU didn't sign Shaka Smart for four milliion dollars, either. LOL WHAT LOSERS THEY ARE! It must be because they don't want to be good. This is the only logical explanation, as there are no such thing as financial constraints, and programs don't have inherent limitations that would make them unattractive to a prospective coach.

You really seem to believe that the only thing Cal lacks is the resolve to be good, and if only the community at large could some how just *decide* to do what's necessary we would be an elite program. This is a fantasy, and it's annoying to everyone else because it makes you think that you can change things by lecturing us about how we "don't want it badly enough". Also, it makes you believe that it's some one's fault when things don't go well -- they just needed to really *want* it after all, and how hard can that be? So you go around thinking that it's obvious that people should be fired from jobs that you only dimly understand. I don't mean to convince you of anything -- I don't think that's possible. But I just want you to know how you look to others when you make these arguments: you look like you're foaming at the mouth.

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Good post. I get frustrated by the same line of thinking when it comes to recruiting. People on this board gnash their teeth and complain when a kid decides to go elsewhere, and can only blame the coaches, inferring or outright stating that, obviously, we just didn't try hard enough. This of course presumes that if we just tried harder, we would get everything we want in life, including a bumper crop of 5*'s. No one seems to care that at the other end of it is some 17/18 year old kid, with a big life choice to make, and sometimes that means that no matter how hard we might try, they decide to go elsewhere.

I'm not saying we can't recruit better athletes, but sometimes you have to step back and with clarity understand and accept that sometimes you don't get what you want in life. I know I've experienced that personally in profound and life altering ways, so maybe I'm letting those experiences cloud my judgment.

antipattern;842300105 said:

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Enough is enough, man. Every program would do what, exactly? WSU didn't sign Shaka Smart for four milliion dollars, either. LOL WHAT LOSERS THEY ARE! It must be because they don't want to be good. This is the only logical explanation, as there are no such thing as financial constraints, and programs don't have inherent limitations that would make them unattractive to a prospective coach.

You really seem to believe that the only thing Cal lacks is the resolve to be good, and if only the community at large could some how just *decide* to do what's necessary we would be an elite program. This is a fantasy, and it's annoying to everyone else because it makes you think that you can change things by lecturing us about how we "don't want it badly enough". Also, it makes you believe that it's some one's fault when things don't go well -- they just needed to really *want* it after all, and how hard can that be? So you go around thinking that it's obvious that people should be fired from jobs that you only dimly understand. I don't mean to convince you of anything -- I don't think that's possible. But I just want you to know how you look to others when you make these arguments: you look like you're foaming at the mouth.

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Idiotic response. The original premise was what should sandy do if Shaka says he is interested. Your response is "Well it is too much money so thanks shaka but we can't afford you"

Loser.

antipattern;842300105 said:

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Enough is enough, man. Every program would do what, exactly? WSU didn't sign Shaka Smart for four milliion dollars, either. LOL WHAT LOSERS THEY ARE! It must be because they don't want to be good. This is the only logical explanation, as there are no such thing as financial constraints, and programs don't have inherent limitations that would make them unattractive to a prospective coach.

You really seem to believe that the only thing Cal lacks is the resolve to be good, and if only the community at large could some how just *decide* to do what's necessary we would be an elite program. This is a fantasy, and it's annoying to everyone else because it makes you think that you can change things by lecturing us about how we "don't want it badly enough". Also, it makes you believe that it's some one's fault when things don't go well -- they just needed to really *want* it after all, and how hard can that be? So you go around thinking that it's obvious that people should be fired from jobs that you only dimly understand. I don't mean to convince you of anything -- I don't think that's possible. But I just want you to know how you look to others when you make these arguments: you look like you're foaming at the mouth.

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And yes. Sandy should be fired and likely will be when, Sadly, Sonny wins 2 or 3 games next year. She would have been dismissed at about 90% of BCS schools after 1-11.

You seem to think this is tiddlywinks. It is not. College sports is BIG business and, rightly so, treated as such at the schools CAL WISHES to compete with. Now if you don't like it, then advocate for moving down in division or conference. But if you want to compete, then that means competing with Oregon and USC in football and Arizona and UCLA in Basketball.

And again, no other UCB department would be content with not investing in itself and being "second tier".

grandmastapoop;842300154 said:

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Brad Stevens? The Celtics coach?

Your schtick is tired, bro.

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What schtick?

GB54 said if Shaka Smart says no we should go after Coach K and Billy Donovan. I said it would make sense to at least approach Calipari as well, and he added Brad Stevens into the mix. I was actually pointing out that this would be a challenge this year (more so than last season) with the obvious point being he's coaching in the NBA now. I don't think it's likely but it's possible.

socaltownie;842300177 said:

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And yes. Sandy should be fired and likely will be when, Sadly, Sonny wins 2 or 3 games next year. She would have been dismissed at about 90% of BCS schools after 1-11.

You seem to think this is tiddlywinks. It is not. College sports is BIG business and, rightly so, treated as such at the schools CAL WISHES to compete with. Now if you don't like it, then advocate for moving down in division or conference. But if you want to compete, then that means competing with Oregon and USC in football and Arizona and UCLA in Basketball.

And again, no other UCB department would be content with not investing in itself and being "second tier".

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Oops, you lost me at "UCB". How far into your DNA is Cal again?

:p

Big C_Cal;842300193 said:

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Oops, you lost me at "UCB". How far into your DNA is Cal again?

:p

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Far enough that a Full off scale prof father of 30+ years called in that all the time. Many faculty do.

Do you feel the same about non-revenue departments? (English, History, Classics, etc., etc.). The university supports a lot of endeavors because they are valuable, and expects the revenue-generating aspects to help defray the cost. I agree that we should be moving toward self-sustaining programs, but that's a difficult goal. In particular, it is difficult with women's sports because studies show that couples give w-a-a-a-y more to the husband's alma mater than the wife's. Are you suggesting we eliminate women's sports?

UrsaMajor;842300250 said:

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Do you feel the same about non-revenue departments? (English, History, Classics, etc., etc.). The university supports a lot of endeavors because they are valuable, and expects the revenue-generating aspects to help defray the cost. I agree that we should be moving toward self-sustaining programs, but that's a difficult goal. In particular, it is difficult with women's sports because studies show that couples give w-a-a-a-y more to the husband's alma mater than the wife's. Are you suggesting we eliminate women's sports?

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Since that would mean eliminating men's sports as well I really doubt he's saying that.

socaltownie;842300175 said:

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Idiotic response. The original premise was what should sandy do if Shaka says he is interested. Your response is "Well it is too much money so thanks shaka but we can't afford you"

Loser.

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Agree with socaltownie on this. The attitude that we can't be successful because well, "we're Cal", is so disappointing. We absolutely can be successful with the right people and attitude.

Amazes me how quickly fans forget what Tedford accomplished here. We went from a terrible program with the worst facilities in D1 to packed stadiums, top-ten rankings and now state-of-the-art facilities. It can be done at Cal with the right group of people in place.

The administration, fans and students are not machines. They are human beings. With the right guidance, effort and purpose, we can get this going in the right direction.

socaltownie;842300207 said:

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Far enough that a Full off scale prof father of 30+ years called in that all the time. Many faculty do.

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socal, did you attend & graduate from cal?

if not, where did you graduate from college?