Why Montgomery left - another fan's take

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SFCityBear
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I had a conversation with a former Cal season ticket holder (basketball and football) of 35 years or more, and a former standout player in both sports, who has retired and moved to Nevada and no longer can attend games in person. My friend watches all the games on TV. He has a different take, a cynical view, and I don't agree with everything he said. I thought you might find it interesting, and I welcome your comments.

He felt Montgomery left because he was frustrated with coaching, and especially coaching last season's team. This was the first team in his memory of Montgomery at Cal where the team did not show improvement over the course of the season. He felt Montgomery, try as he would, could never get this team to play together. Gone were the plays that used to free Crabbe or Jorge to shoot from behind a double screen. The team was very inconsistent. My friend felt that Cobbs could never quite get into a successful point guard rhythm. Cobbs often tried to be too unselfish in the first half of games, and ended up almost disappearing, only to get fired up to win the game in the second half by scoring a lot himself. The team was not very successful in the half court, so Montgomery's strategy was to push the ball up the floor as quickly as possible, as often as possible, to try and score before the defense got set.

Montgomery tried to get his players to buy in, but they never fully did. Montgomery seemed to recruit players who did not respond to coaching. My friend said that Kravish is still afraid to shoot, and passes up way too many open shots, and he felt that Wallace, the team's worst perimeter shooter, took most of the threes. Bird and Mathews improved very little on defense. My friend does not like Ricky Kreklow at all. He thinks Ricky was not a very good player, and he felt that Kreklow was a disruptive force on the team, because he was not as good a player as Bird or Mathews, and he felt those players probably resented the fact that Montgomery insisted on playing Kreklow. He felt that Ricky played too out of control, often getting himself in foul trouble, or getting injured.

The last year had to be frustrating. Even Richard Solomon, whom Montgomery had finally convinced to become a post player, instead of a tall player dreaming of becoming a wing, even though he had greatly improved his post play, still had trouble keeping his head in the game for 35 minutes. In the previous season, Montgomery had become so frustrated that he shoved his star player Allen Crabbe in front of Cal fans at Haas and those watching on TV, just to get Crabbe's attention.

My friend felt that Montgomery just could not get players to do what he wanted, lost control of his team, and left out of frustration, without blaming anyone, his players, or himself.

:beer:
tenplay
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Interesting take on Monty. I wouldn't be surprised if there is some truth to it. I'm sure virtually all coaches feel a lot of frustration at times with the lack of focus and discipline by college players in games and practice. But, lacking any evidence, I am not sure how much of his interpretation is true and how much is his projections from a limited TV perspective.
south bender
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This is what we do, when there is nothing substantive to debate.

I think Monty quit because he plans to run away to Thailand to be with a teenage Thai girl whom he has purchased...

Or was it a boy?

Go Bears!
stanfurdbites
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Yah very interesting. It was quite apparent to all of us that something was just "wrong" with the team. We should have had all the pieces in place (talented big men, veteran pg, athletic wings, top recruiting class, deeper bench) to really make some noise and we couldn't even make the tournament ...
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SFCityBear;842325095 said:

I had a conversation with a former Cal season ticket holder (basketball and football) of 35 years or more, and a former standout player in both sports, who has retired and moved to Nevada and no longer can attend games in person. My friend watches all the games on TV. He has a different take, a cynical view, and I don't agree with everything he said. I thought you might find it interesting, and I welcome your comments.

He felt Montgomery left because he was frustrated with coaching, and especially coaching last season's team. This was the first team in his memory of Montgomery at Cal where the team did not show improvement over the course of the season. He felt Montgomery, try as he would, could never get this team to play together. Gone were the plays that used to free Crabbe or Jorge to shoot from behind a double screen. The team was very inconsistent. My friend felt that Cobbs could never quite get into a successful point guard rhythm. Cobbs often tried to be too unselfish in the first half of games, and ended up almost disappearing, only to get fired up to win the game in the second half by scoring a lot himself. The team was not very successful in the half court, so Montgomery's strategy was to push the ball up the floor as quickly as possible, as often as possible, to try and score before the defense got set.

Montgomery tried to get his players to buy in, but they never fully did. Montgomery seemed to recruit players who did not respond to coaching. My friend said that Kravish is still afraid to shoot, and passes up way too many open shots, and he felt that Wallace, the team's worst perimeter shooter, took most of the threes. Bird and Mathews improved very little on defense. My friend does not like Ricky Kreklow at all. He thinks Ricky was not a very good player, and he felt that Kreklow was a disruptive force on the team, because he was not as good a player as Bird or Mathews, and he felt those players probably resented the fact that Montgomery insisted on playing Kreklow. He felt that Ricky played too out of control, often getting himself in foul trouble, or getting injured.

The last year had to be frustrating. Even Richard Solomon, whom Montgomery had finally convinced to become a post player, instead of a tall player dreaming of becoming a wing, even though he had greatly improved his post play, still had trouble keeping his head in the game for 35 minutes. In the previous season, Montgomery had become so frustrated that he shoved his star player Allen Crabbe in front of Cal fans at Haas and those watching on TV, just to get Crabbe's attention.

My friend felt that Montgomery just could not get players to do what he wanted, lost control of his team, and left out of frustration, without blaming anyone, his players, or himself.

:beer:


Do we have to look so hard.
All season long Monty was commenting how he had been coaching so long and was the dean of PAC 12 coaches. And just a few years ago he seriously considered returing becaus of health issues.
Plus not making the NCAA tournament after a great start might have sealed the deal for him.
NYCGOBEARS
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All's well that ends well.
bluesaxe
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SFCityBear;842325095 said:

I had a conversation with a former Cal season ticket holder (basketball and football) of 35 years or more, and a former standout player in both sports, who has retired and moved to Nevada and no longer can attend games in person. My friend watches all the games on TV. He has a different take, a cynical view, and I don't agree with everything he said. I thought you might find it interesting, and I welcome your comments.

He felt Montgomery left because he was frustrated with coaching, and especially coaching last season's team. This was the first team in his memory of Montgomery at Cal where the team did not show improvement over the course of the season. He felt Montgomery, try as he would, could never get this team to play together. Gone were the plays that used to free Crabbe or Jorge to shoot from behind a double screen. The team was very inconsistent. My friend felt that Cobbs could never quite get into a successful point guard rhythm. Cobbs often tried to be too unselfish in the first half of games, and ended up almost disappearing, only to get fired up to win the game in the second half by scoring a lot himself. The team was not very successful in the half court, so Montgomery's strategy was to push the ball up the floor as quickly as possible, as often as possible, to try and score before the defense got set.

Montgomery tried to get his players to buy in, but they never fully did. Montgomery seemed to recruit players who did not respond to coaching. My friend said that Kravish is still afraid to shoot, and passes up way too many open shots, and he felt that Wallace, the team's worst perimeter shooter, took most of the threes. Bird and Mathews improved very little on defense. My friend does not like Ricky Kreklow at all. He thinks Ricky was not a very good player, and he felt that Kreklow was a disruptive force on the team, because he was not as good a player as Bird or Mathews, and he felt those players probably resented the fact that Montgomery insisted on playing Kreklow. He felt that Ricky played too out of control, often getting himself in foul trouble, or getting injured.

The last year had to be frustrating. Even Richard Solomon, whom Montgomery had finally convinced to become a post player, instead of a tall player dreaming of becoming a wing, even though he had greatly improved his post play, still had trouble keeping his head in the game for 35 minutes. In the previous season, Montgomery had become so frustrated that he shoved his star player Allen Crabbe in front of Cal fans at Haas and those watching on TV, just to get Crabbe's attention.

My friend felt that Montgomery just could not get players to do what he wanted, lost control of his team, and left out of frustration, without blaming anyone, his players, or himself.

:beer:

I had the same feeling about his frustration level this season, but I wouldn't presume that it was THE reason he decided it was time. I suspect there were multiple reasons. In the end, it doesn't really matter.
gobears725
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you knew Monty was frustrated when even after beating Arizona, he was still talking to the team about bringing at consistent effort every game. Hes a great coach, im glad that he knew when to step down and when his message wasnt getting across anymore.
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stanfurdbites;842325126 said:

Yah very interesting. It was quite apparent to all of us that something was just "wrong" with the team. We should have had all the pieces in place (talented big men, veteran pg, athletic wings, top recruiting class, deeper bench) to really make some noise and we couldn't even make the tournament ...


Cal's monster class ... :facepalm
tsubamoto2001
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Speculation is what it is, but I think Monty leaving was planned before the season. The reason we didn't land McDonald's All-American center Thomas Welsh, who Monty spent a very long time recruiting, was because Monty could not guarantee Welsh that he'd be the coach for the next 4 seasons. Welsh subsequently committed to Steve Alford, despite UCLA coming into the picture very late.

For all the good Monty did, I personally believe he mailed it in and just didn't care anymore. I saw very little passion from him, unlike in seasons past. It's easy to blame the kids, but IMO, the ship was rudderless with the captain asleep at the wheel.
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tsubamoto2001;842325342 said:

Speculation is what it is, but I think Monty leaving was planned before the season. The reason we didn't land McDonald's All-American center Thomas Welsh, who Monty spent a very long time recruiting, was because Monty could not guarantee Welsh that he'd be the coach for the next 4 seasons. Welsh subsequently committed to Steve Alford, despite UCLA coming into the picture very late.

For all the good Monty did, I personally believe he mailed it in and just didn't care anymore. I saw very little passion from him, unlike in seasons past. It's easy to blame the kids, but IMO, the ship was rudderless with the captain asleep at the wheel.


How does Monty's "long time recruiting" of Welsh square with the notion that he "mailed it in and just didn't care anymore [sic]" this last year?

Go Bears!
tsubamoto2001
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south bender;842325346 said:

How does Monty's "long time recruiting" of Welsh square with the notion that he "mailed it in and just didn't care anymore [sic]" this last year?

Go Bears!


It doesn't. The results of the season do. It's pretty obvious that he knew going into the season that this was it for him. That's my view and I'm sticking to it.
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tsubamoto2001;842325342 said:

Speculation is what it is, but I think Monty leaving was planned before the season. The reason we didn't land McDonald's All-American center Thomas Welsh, who Monty spent a very long time recruiting, was because Monty could not guarantee Welsh that he'd be the coach for the next 4 seasons. Welsh subsequently committed to Steve Alford, despite UCLA coming into the picture very late.

For all the good Monty did, I personally believe he mailed it in and just didn't care anymore. I saw very little passion from him, unlike in seasons past. It's easy to blame the kids, but IMO, the ship was rudderless with the captain asleep at the wheel.



I hear you about the passion. In Utah the prior season, I was sitting right behind the bench when Monty called a time out, and was so upset he literally threw his marks-a-lot on the ground so hard it bounced about mid range on the other side of the stands. Oh, and Cal was up double digits at the time. Just one of several incidents where I saw Monty blow-up that year. But this last year was different, Monty seemed way more relaxed, like he was on good meds. I'm not sure I would go so far as rudderless. The team was inconsistent, and I suppose some of that is on the head coach.

My own theory is the game, and particularly recruiting, had changed in ways Monty just didn't like, and he simply had enough. He mentioned to me several times how much he hated the one year rule, and recruiting one and done players. For better or worse, he was old fashioned, and wanted to mold players over several years. Its a shame in some ways, as Monty was a terrific coach. But I think Monty read it right in calling it a day.
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wifeisafurd;842325362 said:

I hear you about the passion. In Utah the prior season, I was sitting right behind the bench when Monty called a time out, and was so upset he literally threw his marks-a-lot on the ground so hard it bounced about mid range on the other side of the stands. Oh, and Cal was up double digits at the time. Just one of several incidents where I saw Monty blow-up that year. But this last year was different, Monty seemed way more relaxed, like he was on good meds. I'm not sure I would go so far as rudderless. The team was inconsistent, and I suppose some of that is on the head coach.

My own theory is the game, and particularly recruiting, had changed in ways Monty just didn't like, and he simply had enough. He mentioned to me several times how much he hated the one year rule, and recruiting one and done players. For better or worse, he was old fashioned, and wanted to mold players over several years. Its a shame in some ways, as Monty was a terrific coach. But I think Monty read it right in calling it a day.


Yeah, "rudderless" and "didn't care anymore" is too harsh. He did care, but I think he probably felt that whatever happens, happens, and throwing a fit over a mistake here or there isn't worth the stress. It was just odd, though, as it was atypical of Monty. I do want to reiterate that I'm thankful for what he was able to give to the program, despite my criticisms.
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Lmao....
oskihasahearton
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Hmm-mm-m...some say it is...and some say it isn't. I say there is some truth to Coach Monte's frustrations, but not the conclusions about why he chose to walk away.

What do you say?
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tsubamoto2001;842325375 said:

Yeah, "rudderless" and "didn't care anymore" is too harsh. He did care, but I think he probably felt that whatever happens, happens, and throwing a fit over a mistake here or there isn't worth the stress. It was just odd, though, as it was atypical of Monty. I do want to reiterate that I'm thankful for what he was able to give to the program, despite my criticisms.

Keep in mind, though, that his passion led to him shoving a player and catching a lot of flack for it (although that did seem to have some positive results oddly enough) fairly late the season before. It may be that he just felt the need to rein it in to avoid any further perception that he was out of control.

Who knows? I tend toward the general view that he wasn't happy with the way the game off the court has changed and decided to leave on his own terms.
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The current college game had passed him by and he knew it. He wouldn't or couldn't recruit the one and dones, and they didn't' want to play for him. Let's face it, the best high school players go to college to play in the NBA. Why go to a school where the academics are hard like Cal. Just making the NCAA Tournament isn't good enough anymore for both players and their fans. They want more and Monty knew he couldn't deliver.
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"The current college game had passed him by and he knew it. He wouldn't or couldn't recruit the one and dones, and they didn't' want to play for him. Let's face it, the best high school players go to college to play in the NBA. Why go to a school where the academics are hard like Cal. Just making the NCAA Tournament isn't good enough anymore for both players and their fans. They want more and Monty knew he couldn't deliver."



Totally agree.
south bender
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Does anyone on this site presume really, profoundly to know himself?

Congratulations if so, but I have lived long enough and observed myself and others sufficiently to doubt such a claim.

Yet a thread like this can go on and on, as though any of us can know essentially what led Monty to resign! Monty, a man who clearly has a strong sense of privacy!

Does Monty confess to anyone on this thread? Does even Monty know all that led him to resign?

Go Bears!
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south bender;842325490 said:

Does anyone on this site presume really, profoundly to know himself?

Congratulations if so, but I have lived long enough and observed myself and others sufficiently to doubt such a claim.

Yet a thread like this can go on and on, as though any of us can know essentially what led Monty to resign! Monty, a man who clearly has a strong sense of privacy!

Does Monty confess to anyone on this thread? Does even Monty know all that led him to resign?

Go Bears!

I take it you are a Descartes fan.
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Civil Bear;842325493 said:

I take it you are a Descartes fan.


First and foremost, a Bears men's basketball fan. Then (as if the former does not involve enough suffering) a White Sox fan.

Descartes? Yes, among many other thinkers.

Go Bears!
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south bender;842325490 said:

Does anyone on this site presume really, profoundly to know himself?

Congratulations if so, but I have lived long enough and observed myself and others sufficiently to doubt such a claim.

Yet a thread like this can go on and on, as though any of us can know essentially what led Monty to resign! Monty, a man who clearly has a strong sense of privacy!

Does Monty confess to anyone on this thread? Does even Monty know all that led him to resign?

Go Bears!


It was my opinion and everyone is entitled to my opinion.
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Folks - look forward, not backward, we are actually competing for five stars that tweet nice remarks about our HC. As wise men once sang during my impressionable youth......


Don't look back
A new day is breakin'
It's been too long since I felt this way
I don't mind where I get taken
The road is callin'
Today is the day

I can see
It took so long to realize
I'm much too strong
Not to comprimise
Now I see what I am is holding me down
I'll turn it around

I finally see the dawn arrivin'
I see beyond the road I'm drivin'
Far away and left behind

It's a new horizon and I'm awakin' now
Oh I see myself in a brand new way
The sun is shinin'
the clouds are breakin'
'Canse I can't lose now, there's no game to play

I can tell
There's no more time left to criticize
I've seen what I could not recognize
Everthing in my life was leading me on
but I can be strong

I finally see the dawn arrivin'
I see beyond the road I'm drivin'
Far away and left behind
oskihasahearton
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In other words hindsight is the best foresight.
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socaltownie;842325532 said:

Folks - look forward, not backward, we are actually competing for five stars that tweet nice remarks about our HC. As wise men once sang during my impressionable youth......


Don't look back
A new day is breakin'
It's been too long since I felt this way
I don't mind where I get taken
The road is callin'
Today is the day

I can see
It took so long to realize
I'm much too strong
Not to comprimise
Now I see what I am is holding me down
I'll turn it around

I finally see the dawn arrivin'
I see beyond the road I'm drivin'
Far away and left behind

It's a new horizon and I'm awakin' now
Oh I see myself in a brand new way
The sun is shinin'
the clouds are breakin'
'Canse I can't lose now, there's no game to play

I can tell
There's no more time left to criticize
I've seen what I could not recognize
Everthing in my life was leading me on
but I can be strong

I finally see the dawn arrivin'
I see beyond the road I'm drivin'
Far away and left behind


It's still weird...
socaltownie
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NYCGOBEARS;842325592 said:

It's still weird...


ROFLOL!!! Seriously, it must be that it has been the best spring for surfing south facing breaks in the past decade.
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socaltownie;842325613 said:

ROFLOL!!! Seriously, it must be that it has been the best spring for surfing south facing breaks in the past decade.


Damn, I never saw anything bigger than a speed bump the two years I lived there. Good for you!
concordtom
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People do things they enjoy.
All the reasons why are pure speculation.
Just know, he was no longer having a ton of fun.
mikecohen
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concordtom;842325674 said:

People do things they enjoy.
All the reasons why are pure speculation.
Just know, he was no longer having a ton of fun.


The language of your post strongly suggests you know something about Mr. Montgomery's state of mind (perhaps even from having communicated with him about it) that others of us posters do not. Just an observation on my part. You don't have to confess.
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mikecohen;842325684 said:

The language of your post strongly suggests you know something about Mr. Montgomery's state of mind (perhaps even from having communicated with him about it) that others of us posters do not. Just an observation on my part. You don't have to confess.


Absolutely not. Others will attest I am no insider.
Just think about it. Burn out. Tired. Why am I doing this? I'm not having fun anymore.
Why did he get into coaching long ago? Surely bc he had a passion for the game. Montana,, then Stanford, he was driven to see if he could excel. He did and it was fun. He wanted to take it to the next level and see if he could do even more, be more. Hunger, passion, expansive mindset.
Well, that didn't work. Bumped off the horse.
Tried broadcasting, and that was okay, but how to get some of that old magic back... Ah, maybe Cal's the ticket.
At first, it seemed okay. He was able to take a group of Braun's underachievers and turn them into reg season champs. I was there when the confetti fell and he seemed fairly satisfied.
But then, after that, it became a bit of a grind. He proved (to me) he was a very very good coach, but there was a certain sparkle that was missing, perhaps both in his eyes and in his teams. Unheralded recruits limited the thrill of the experience. Early departures and just never able to over that hump.
Seems to me that if you look at the overall life path of a man, it's not so hard to get. If you were always on an upward trajectory and looking for more newer experiences, (just coaching, to coaching a big gig, to being constantly ranked to final four, to NBA) then get knocked down a size, back to cal, and then have to settle in with a the grind of recruiting which you don't really like doing, having to keep guys eligible, and working just to motivate them to play....

I mean, he's a guy that left the grind at a place he loved, where he was successful, respected, unthreatened... He coulda stayed there forever. But he didn't, he wanted to try for more, new, better, different. And ended up back, lower than he was before at Stanford. Okay, so maybe this time it was different because he had Jon with him and that's an experience worth fighting for. But at some point, it all ads up to, I'm done. You think next year was going to be that great of a ride? Year after that? After that? It became a grind, a grind just to get enough talent, and the talent he had was (by nature) immature and getting relatively less mature every year.

He was a master at getting any group of guys together and producing a solid side!
there. Did you really want to hear all that?
(go ahead, in unison)
Time for some more world cup! See ya, fellas....
SRBear
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Think you summed it up pretty well.
ayetee11
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I'm suprise the OP didn't blame Bird.
Bobodeluxe
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:p
ayetee11;842325706 said:

I'm suprise the OP didn't blame Buh.


say,what?

:p
mikecohen
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concordtom;842325698 said:

Absolutely not. Others will attest I am no insider.
Just think about it. Burn out. Tired. Why am I doing this? I'm not having fun anymore.
Why did he get into coaching long ago? Surely bc he had a passion for the game. Montana,, then Stanford, he was driven to see if he could excel. He did and it was fun. He wanted to take it to the next level and see if he could do even more, be more. Hunger, passion, expansive mindset.
Well, that didn't work. Bumped off the horse.
Tried broadcasting, and that was okay, but how to get some of that old magic back... Ah, maybe Cal's the ticket.
At first, it seemed okay. He was able to take a group of Braun's underachievers and turn them into reg season champs. I was there when the confetti fell and he seemed fairly satisfied.
But then, after that, it became a bit of a grind. He proved (to me) he was a very very good coach, but there was a certain sparkle that was missing, perhaps both in his eyes and in his teams. Unheralded recruits limited the thrill of the experience. Early departures and just never able to over that hump.
Seems to me that if you look at the overall life path of a man, it's not so hard to get. If you were always on an upward trajectory and looking for more newer experiences, (just coaching, to coaching a big gig, to being constantly ranked to final four, to NBA) then get knocked down a size, back to cal, and then have to settle in with a the grind of recruiting which you don't really like doing, having to keep guys eligible, and working just to motivate them to play....

I mean, he's a guy that left the grind at a place he loved, where he was successful, respected, unthreatened... He coulda stayed there forever. But he didn't, he wanted to try for more, new, better, different. And ended up back, lower than he was before at Stanford. Okay, so maybe this time it was different because he had Jon with him and that's an experience worth fighting for. But at some point, it all ads up to, I'm done. You think next year was going to be that great of a ride? Year after that? After that? It became a grind, a grind just to get enough talent, and the talent he had was (by nature) immature and getting relatively less mature every year.

He was a master at getting any group of guys together and producing a solid side!
there. Did you really want to hear all that?
(go ahead, in unison)
Time for some more world cup! See ya, fellas....


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