Question regarding the Pro am

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oskidunker
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Having went to this a few times, I was wondering what the rules are to play in this thing. It seems whenever I go, the Cal Players do not show up. If a roster has 15 players, there a 13 there and the 2 Cal players are absent.

It is understandable that the Pro players can come and go as they wish but it would seem if many players decided not to show on a particular night, they might have trouble fielding a team.

Are there certain"Core Players" who obligate themselves to be there every game? I noticed that short guy from UC Santa Cruz is always there, along with a few others I recognize.

Maybe players not currently in College want to play more. As I recall last year the Cal players rarely were there.

Did Montgomery and now Martin encourage play in this league?
Civil Bear
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I think you are likely reading too much into it all, and imagine the required level of commitment is between the coaches and the players and what they are comfortable with. The league isn't much more than a scheduled series of glorified pick-up games, and as such each player has their own reasons for playing. - from honing certain skills to getting exercise.

In that vein, I don't think any NCAA coach is going to discourage their players from getting any extra work in.
SFCityBear
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It is one drawback to the Pro Am that some players do not show up for every game. The rules are that teams are open, and all players appear to be able to choose when they will play for their team, and which games they will miss. However, there are always enough players to make up the teams, so the coaches must be doing some organizing before games to make sure this is so. It is a very short season, seven games long, plus a few playoff games. Some of the better known pro players may show up for a game at the end of the season, or for the playoff games, presumably so they can play against the best competition. Guys like Kiwi Gardner show up for every single game.

One thing that may contribute to the lack of NBA players in the Pro Am now is the fact that the NBA Summer league in Las Vegas runs from July 11-21, and overlaps with the Pro Am season, so naturally the NBA grade player would rather compete in Las Vegas, because the competition is better.

As to Cal players, Justin Cobbs played in all his team's games last summer, up until he fractured his foot. I believe Robert Thurman played in all his team's games in the last two summers, and I think Jeff Powers played in most of his team's games. In the previous summer, Ricky Kreklow played in over half his team's games and Richard Solomon did as well. Some pro players arrived in time for the playoffs, and when they did, Richard's playing time was severely reduced, and I don't think he played after that. In that same summer, Tyrone Wallace and Kahlil Johnson were listed on team rosters, but they never showed up at all for any games.

The Pro Am is run entirely by volunteers, and there are very few of them. Last season they did not have anyone to keep stats, so there were none kept. The rosters don't list the players' numbers, so unless you recognize a player's face, you have no idea who he is. The PA system is so bad it makes the Haas system sound like Carnegie Hall, and when the announcer calls out a player's name, it is so garbled, it is unintelligible.

In spite of all this, I take serious issue with those would denigrate the league as worthless, and say things like players just play in it to hone skills or get exercise. You can hone skills at the hoop in your backyard, like Richard Solomon chose to do last summer, and you can get exercise by running in the hills like Roger Craig or going to a local fitness center. No, the players who play in the Pro Am games come there for the competition. The games are fiercely competitive. Witness Justin Cobbs and his broken foot. The players go all out. It doesn't have the defined structure on offense and defense that D1 ball does, nor does it have the best coaching, but there is a great deal of teamwork going at both ends of the floor by very experienced players. Players may try to work on some new shot, like Richard Solomon tried to perfect his three point shot, but by and large it is intense mano a mano stuff, like Robert Thurman against Dwight Powell, and fun to watch.

My only suggestion is if you want to see a particular Cal player, then watch the Pro Am website and the Bear Insider, and wait until that player has actually appeared in his first game, before you venture to one of his team's games. That way, at least you will know he is an active player, and not a no-show for the entire season like Wallace and Johnson were. Still no guarantee though. It is a sad state of affairs for a league that once was a big draw for local hoop fans.
Civil Bear
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SFCityBear;842327912 said:


In spite of all this, I take serious issue with those would denigrate the league as worthless, and say things like players just play in it to hone skills or get exercise. You can hone skills at the hoop in your backyard, like Richard Solomon chose to do last summer, and you can get exercise by running in the hills like Roger Craig or going to a local fitness center. No, the players who play in the Pro Am games come there for the competition. The games are fiercely competitive. Witness Justin Cobbs and his broken foot. The players go all out.


Sorry you see it that way. Personally, I wouldn't connect honing skills and getting exercise as worthless. And as I said, each player has their own reasons for playing - which for many surely include the competition aspect.

However I think you exaggerate the overall level of competitiveness of the league, as is evident from the level of commitment from many of the players, as well as the ability for players like Kiwi Gardner and Circus King to be MVP's or for players like Robert Thurman to be able to school Dwight Powell.

As for citing JC and his foot as proof of the level of competition...well, that's just odd. Pick-up games can be competitive, and you can get injured in them too.
ayetee11
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SFCityBear;842327912 said:

It is one drawback to the Pro Am that some players do not show up for every game. The rules are that teams are open, and all players appear to be able to choose when they will play for their team, and which games they will miss. However, there are always enough players to make up the teams, so the coaches must be doing some organizing before games to make sure this is so. It is a very short season, seven games long, plus a few playoff games. Some of the better known pro players may show up for a game at the end of the season, or for the playoff games, presumably so they can play against the best competition. Guys like Kiwi Gardner show up for every single game.

One thing that may contribute to the lack of NBA players in the Pro Am now is the fact that the NBA Summer league in Las Vegas runs from July 11-21, and overlaps with the Pro Am season, so naturally the NBA grade player would rather compete in Las Vegas, because the competition is better.

As to Cal players, Justin Cobbs played in all his team's games last summer, up until he fractured his foot. I believe Robert Thurman played in all his team's games in the last two summers, and I think Jeff Powers played in most of his team's games. In the previous summer, Ricky Kreklow played in over half his team's games and Richard Solomon did as well. Some pro players arrived in time for the playoffs, and when they did, Richard's playing time was severely reduced, and I don't think he played after that. In that same summer, Tyrone Wallace and Kahlil Johnson were listed on team rosters, but they never showed up at all for any games.

The Pro Am is run entirely by volunteers, and there are very few of them. Last season they did not have anyone to keep stats, so there were none kept. The rosters don't list the players' numbers, so unless you recognize a player's face, you have no idea who he is. The PA system is so bad it makes the Haas system sound like Carnegie Hall, and when the announcer calls out a player's name, it is so garbled, it is unintelligible.

In spite of all this, I take serious issue with those would denigrate the league as worthless, and say things like players just play in it to hone skills or get exercise. You can hone skills at the hoop in your backyard, like Richard Solomon chose to do last summer, and you can get exercise by running in the hills like Roger Craig or going to a local fitness center. No, the players who play in the Pro Am games come there for the competition. The games are fiercely competitive. Witness Justin Cobbs and his broken foot. The players go all out. It doesn't have the defined structure on offense and defense that D1 ball does, nor does it have the best coaching, but there is a great deal of teamwork going at both ends of the floor by very experienced players. Players may try to work on some new shot, like Richard Solomon tried to perfect his three point shot, but by and large it is intense mano a mano stuff, like Robert Thurman against Dwight Powell, and fun to watch.

My only suggestion is if you want to see a particular Cal player, then watch the Pro Am website and the Bear Insider, and wait until that player has actually appeared in his first game, before you venture to one of his team's games. That way, at least you will know he is an active player, and not a no-show for the entire season like Wallace and Johnson were. Still no guarantee though. It is a sad state of affairs for a league that once was a big draw for local hoop fans.


It's easier to have a scheduled pickup game than to go to your local gym and wait a couple games before you get on the court. It's hard to take anything serious is Kiwi wins MVP.
BeachedBear
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I've been poking my head into Kezar for quite a while (30+ years) and depending on the night and year, it can be anywhere from horrible to fantastic. It seems that some years are better than others. I must admit that from about 2008, the quality of play seemed to drop each summer. So much so, that I didn't find a chance to make it the last couple of years.

I'm guessing that many of the negative comments reflect that time period. But having watched it over a long stretch, I'm guessing it will pick up in quality again.

I wouldn't by a plane ticket to go see a game - but there is some sort of magic when basketball is played at Kezar! Leaky pipes, drafts, echoes, ghosts....

:gobears:
SFCityBear
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BeachedBear;842327990 said:

I've been poking my head into Kezar for quite a while (30+ years) and depending on the night and year, it can be anywhere from horrible to fantastic. It seems that some years are better than others. I must admit that from about 2008, the quality of play seemed to drop each summer. So much so, that I didn't find a chance to make it the last couple of years.

I'm guessing that many of the negative comments reflect that time period. But having watched it over a long stretch, I'm guessing it will pick up in quality again.

I wouldn't by a plane ticket to go see a game - but there is some sort of magic when basketball is played at Kezar! Leaky pipes, drafts, echoes, ghosts....

:gobears:


Supposedly, they have fixed the pipes. Two years ago they put in a new floor and new lighting. Gone is the old floor which sat on springs, giving everyone higher vertical jumps. With the new floor and lights, it is once again a fun gym to play in. If you haven't seen it since the remodel, it might be worth taking a chance on maybe seeing a good game.
GMP
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SFCityBear;842327999 said:

Supposedly, they have fixed the pipes. Two years ago they put in a new floor and new lighting. Gone is the old floor which sat on springs, giving everyone higher vertical jumps. With the new floor and lights, it is once again a fun gym to play in. If you haven't seen it since the remodel, it might be worth taking a chance on maybe seeing a good game.


I was sad to hear about the new floor - never got to play at Kezar myself, but I did run around a bit before a game once. The springy floors were awesome.
SFCityBear
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grandmastapoop;842328113 said:

I was sad to hear about the new floor - never got to play at Kezar myself, but I did run around a bit before a game once. The springy floors were awesome.


It was the only floor in the Bay Area where I could dunk, and I did it in the final game of my high school career. I could barely touch the bottom of the backboard in my high school gym. And that dunk in Kezar was an awesome feeling. Imagine great leapers like Bill Russell, who played all his home games there for USF, and how high above the rim they could reach. That was before the offensive goal tending rules, and Russell could go way above the rim to guide his teammates' shots through the hoop.
BeachedBear
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SFCityBear;842328220 said:

It was the only floor in the Bay Area where I could dunk, and I did it in the final game of my high school career. I could barely touch the bottom of the backboard in my high school gym. And that dunk in Kezar was an awesome feeling. Imagine great leapers like Bill Russell, who played all his home games there for USF, and how high above the rim they could reach. That was before the offensive goal tending rules, and Russell could go way above the rim to guide his teammates' shots through the hoop.


The older Maples Pavillion floor at Stanford in the 80's had springs as well. I was able to dunk there with a volleyball - closest I ever got (not counting junior high playgrounds with 9 ft rims) :p
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