http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/how-utah-landed-fast-rising-nba-prospect-jakob-poeltl-212544604.html
Utah's 7 footer/frosh.
Sounds like Cal could/would have gotten him before Mike retired.
Transition to new coach and staff, sounds like his good visit to Cal, somehow fell off the table.

From the video at the bottom, I don't get the hype at this moment.

Poeltl and king would have made a crazy force.

GoCalBears;842420662 said:

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Poeltl and king would have made a crazy force.

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How about Rabb and Swanigan, if it comes to fruition? Plus a BI poster promised free T-shirts if Rabb signs!

looks like Idy Diallo is redshirting
he has all DNP

HoopDreams;842420737 said:

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looks like Idy Diallo is redshirting
he has all DNP

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I believe he has a torn meniscus, suffered just before their first regular game. He played in their exhibition game, and the reports I read were that he looked good in limited action. I'm not sure what his timetable is on the injury.

ayetee11;842420634 said:

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From the video at the bottom, I don't get the hype at this moment.

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That's more of a scouting video than a highlight clip.

Needless to say, Poeltl would make our team much better. Poeltl has a ridiculous WS/40 (win shares per 40 minutes) of 0.323 and a defensive rating of 77. Those are great numbers for a senior let alone a freshman.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jakob-poeltl-1.html

Sure. Would have. Could have. Should have. I am holding out for Rabb. #allin.

socaltownie;842420783 said:

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Sure. Would have. Could have. Should have. I am holding out for Rabb. #allin.

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This. Getting Poeltl would have required Monty staying on for at least another year. Much as a lot of us enjoyed Monty's tenure here, Martin has elevated the Cal's profile with major impact recruits. The possibilities now seem more exciting as far as getting elite players to look at the program and signing. Pining for Poeltl or Marcus Lee falls into the category of what ifs with Kennedy Winston.

What about Rohrie? Haven't seen his name anywhere.

Rohrie is in the Oregon rotation. Might even be starting.

teknofreek;842420789 said:

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This. Getting Poeltl would have required Monty staying on for at least another year. Much as a lot of us enjoyed Monty's tenure here, Martin has elevated the Cal's profile with major impact recruits. The possibilities now seem more exciting as far as getting elite players to look at the program and signing. Pining for Poeltl or Marcus Lee falls into the category of what ifs with Kennedy Winston.

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I agree.
I am more excited about the Martin era than I was the Montgomery era.
His recruiting was weak right from the get go, despite Jorge eventually becoming POY.
Yes, he won the regular season for the first time in 50 yrs (with Braun players), but the recruiting always made it feel like there was a cap on the program, an eternal uphill battle. He turned moderated hope into fairly impressive results.
But with Martin, I'm not thinking about the ceiling! Well, not true, i think about breaking thru it.

concordtom;842420800 said:

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I agree.
I am more excited about the Martin era than I was the Montgomery era.
His recruiting was weak right from the get go, despite Jorge eventually becoming POY.
Yes, he won the regular season for the first time in 50 yrs (with Braun players), but the recruiting always made it feel like there was a cap on the program, an eternal uphill battle. He turned moderated hope into fairly impressive results.
But with Martin, I'm not thinking about the ceiling! Well, not true, i think about breaking thru it.

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This. We are still in huge honeymoon period but with what we are seeing from King the staff can evaluate talent and the buzz around spring recruits, even if none of them sign, suggests we can be competitive in recruiting wars with the biggest of boys. It just NEVER felt that way with MM. Yeah, I know, Bird and Wallace and AC but Bird is a legacy (and a great thing), AC was irritated at the Bruins for their snub. Really Wallace was the biggest head to head get....and even then I leave it to smarter recruiting historians than I to opine about how truly focused big boys where on our future PAC-12 Conference Player of the Year.

concordtom;842420800 said:

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I agree.
I am more excited about the Martin era than I was the Montgomery era.
His recruiting was weak right from the get go, despite Jorge eventually becoming POY.
Yes, he won the regular season for the first time in 50 yrs (with Braun players), but the recruiting always made it feel like there was a cap on the program, an eternal uphill battle. He turned moderated hope into fairly impressive results.
But with Martin, I'm not thinking about the ceiling! Well, not true, i think about breaking thru it.

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+2

Rorie is starting, playing in low 20 minutes and looking solid

teknofreek;842420789 said:

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This. Getting Poeltl would have required Monty staying on for at least another year. Much as a lot of us enjoyed Monty's tenure here, Martin has elevated the Cal's profile with major impact recruits. The possibilities now seem more exciting as far as getting elite players to look at the program and signing. Pining for Poeltl or Marcus Lee falls into the category of what ifs with Kennedy Winston.

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Plus, I thought everyone thought we were going to use our two open scholarships on Rorie and Diallo?

Playing for England, Okoroh averaged 9.7 pts, 10.0 rebounds, 2.0 steals and 1.3 blocks in 28.3 minutes.
Playing for Austria, Poeltl averaged 12.7 pts, 7.7 rebounds, 0.9 steals and 2.3 blocks in 26.8 minutes.

Not much difference, Poeltl slightly better scorer, Okoroh better rebounder. True Poeltl has had a bigger impact on his team so far, but I like Okoroh's upside. Plus, he is the son of a professor and a great fit for Cal.

As others have said, the impact of Martin will be on future classes, not the last one.

I'm quite pleased with our competition for big recruits, but let's not dismiss the Monty era. He built this program up to a place where we can consider ourselves a big-time player for major recruits, just like Belotti did for Chip Kelly. He's a big part of our current potential for success, and Cuonzo still has a long way before he can go filling those shoes.

I'll take results over recruiting any day. Beating Syracuse is a good start.

LessMilesMoreTedford;842421240 said:

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I'm quite pleased with our competition for big recruits, but let's not dismiss the Monty era. He built this program up to a place where we can consider ourselves a big-time player for major recruits, just like Belotti did for Chip Kelly. He's a big part of our current potential for success, and Cuonzo still has a long way before he can go filling those shoes.

I'll take results over recruiting any day. Beating Syracuse is a good start.

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You win with recruits. If you're satisfied with beating a mediocre Syracuse team then by all means be my guest. But if you want to compete for Pac 12 titles year in and year out and eventually Final Fours and National Championships, then you would want to take recruiting over the results. They work hand in hand. Recruit the best players you can and the results will come.

LessMilesMoreTedford;842421240 said:

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I'm quite pleased with our competition for big recruits, but let's not dismiss the Monty era. He built this program up to a place where we can consider ourselves a big-time player for major recruits, just like Belotti did for Chip Kelly. He's a big part of our current potential for success, and Cuonzo still has a long way before he can go filling those shoes.

I'll take results over recruiting any day. Beating Syracuse is a good start.

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I agree. I really like Martin, loved the hire, but Monty was a great coach and did right by Cal. I don't like dissing him and don't see the need for it.

Looperbear;842421248 said:

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I agree. I really like Martin, loved the hire, but Monty was a great coach and did right by Cal. I don't like dissing him and don't see the need for it.

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+1

south bender;842421254 said:

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RealScouting;842421244 said:

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You win with recruits. If you're satisfied with beating a mediocre Syracuse team then by all means be my guest. But if you want to compete for Pac 12 titles year in and year out and eventually Final Fours and National Championships, then you would want to take recruiting over the results. They work hand in hand. Recruit the best players you can and the results will come.

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Huh? IF you want to win, then you don't want results??? Isn't winning the result we're looking for? Maybe it's a just a beauty contest....

Just Kidding RS - I think you worded your middle sentence awkwardly - and since your words are the only info we can gleam in this context.....

RealScouting;842421244 said:

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You win with recruits. If you're satisfied with beating a mediocre Syracuse team then by all means be my guest. But if you want to compete for Pac 12 titles year in and year out and eventually Final Fours and National Championships, then you would want to take recruiting over the results. They work hand in hand. Recruit the best players you can and the results will come.

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+ 10,000,000 !!!!

BeachedBear;842421294 said:

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Huh? IF you want to win, then you don't want results??? Isn't winning the result we're looking for? Maybe it's a just a beauty contest....

Just Kidding RS - I think you worded your middle sentence awkwardly - and since your words are the only info we can gleam in this context.....

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It was 3am when he posted. So, we can excuse mis worded posts at that hour.
But, see who's becoming addicted to BI?!

concordtom;842421306 said:

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+ 10,000,000 !!!!

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Well I guess that settles it.

That Monty was not a super recruiter during his tenure at Cal, I don't think almost anyone would deny.

Watching all recruiting since the 1978-9 season, when Kuchen became head coach, I will say that no one since then has been a super recruiter at Cal. Hence, it is reasonable to conclude that it is not as easy as a snap of the fingers to super recruit to Cal.

Like all Bears fans, I am hoping we have in Cuonzo the man who will both be a great coach and a super recruiter.

However, it surprises me how readily so many here are to accept the allegations of RS on the subject of Monty's recruiting. RS, a man of considerable anger and condescension. A guy who clearly has no appreciation of Monty in any way.

It is one thing to wish Monty had done better recruiting, but quite another to use the angry, emotional depictions of Monty that RS spews in effect to say, "Right on, that Monty was just a horrible people person. See how he treated the Lees!"

I heard a lot from Monty over six years, as did everyone else on this board, at least those following Cal during Monty's time here. I never heard him being rude and condescending. I cannot imagine that meeting with recruits and their parents Monty would comport himself as negatively as RS or Willy Beamon (the latter I barely remember) claim.

I am actually astounded to see so many jumping on the RS bandwagon. Imagine he was your key witness in a court case. How do you think he would do on cross examination?

My point is not to attack RS. Rather, it is to point out the absurdity of taking his opinions and allegations about Monty at face value, and using them to disparage the best coach by far that I have seen at Cal since 1978. And from what others have said about the coaches since Newell up to Kuchen, I can safely say Monty is the best men's basketball coach at Cal in the last 50+ years.

south bender;842421340 said:

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That Monty was not a super recruiter during his tenure at Cal, I don't think almost anyone would deny.

Watching all recruiting since the 1978-9 season, when Kuchen became head coach, I will say that no one since then has been a super recruiter at Cal. Hence, it is reasonable to conclude that it is not as easy as a snap of the fingers to super recruit to Cal.

Like all Bears fans, I am hoping we have in Cuonzo the man who will both be a great coach and a super recruiter.

However, it surprises me how readily so many here are to accept the allegations of RS on the subject of Monty's recruiting. RS, a man of considerable anger and condescension. A guy who clearly has no appreciation of Monty in any way.

It is one thing to wish Monty had done better recruiting, but quite another to use the angry, emotional depictions of Monty that RS spews in effect to say, "Right on, that Monty was just a horrible people person. See how he treated the Lees!"

I heard a lot from Monty over six years, as did everyone else on this board, at least those following Cal during Monty's time here. I never heard him being rude and condescending. I cannot imagine that meeting with recruits and their parents Monty would comport himself as negatively as RS or Willy Beamon (the latter I barely remember) claim.

I am actually astounded to see so many jumping on the RS bandwagon. Imagine he was your key witness in a court case. How do you think he would do on cross examination?

My point is not to attack RS. Rather, it is to point out the absurdity of taking his opinions and allegations about Monty at face value, and using them to disparage the best coach by far that I have seen at Cal since 1978. And from what others have said about the coaches since Newell up to Kuchen, I can safely say Monty is the best men's basketball coach at Cal in the last 50+ years.

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I think this is a fair assessment. I don't take RS's claims at face value but I can certainly envision the meeting with Lee and his mom not going well and eliminating Cal. As much as I like Monty (and love his candidness and wit), he can turn some people off. I'm not sure that Lee would have come to Cal anyway if I take what FamilyFirst said at face value. But I do like RS's comment that Lee would have come to Cal if Martin was the coach. Since RS appears to be pretty knowledgeable of what recruits (and their parents) look for, this is a good commentary on Martin.

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south bender;842421340 said:

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That Monty was not a super recruiter during his tenure at Cal, I don't think almost anyone would deny.

Watching all recruiting since the 1978-9 season, when Kuchen became head coach, I will say that no one since then has been a super recruiter at Cal. Hence, it is reasonable to conclude that it is not as easy as a snap of the fingers to super recruit to Cal.

Like all Bears fans, I am hoping we have in Cuonzo the man who will both be a great coach and a super recruiter.

However, it surprises me how readily so many here are to accept the allegations of RS on the subject of Monty's recruiting. RS, a man of considerable anger and condescension. A guy who clearly has no appreciation of Monty in any way.

It is one thing to wish Monty had done better recruiting, but quite another to use the angry, emotional depictions of Monty that RS spews in effect to say, "Right on, that Monty was just a horrible people person. See how he treated the Lees!"

I heard a lot from Monty over six years, as did everyone else on this board, at least those following Cal during Monty's time here. I never heard him being rude and condescending. I cannot imagine that meeting with recruits and their parents Monty would comport himself as negatively as RS or Willy Beamon (the latter I barely remember) claim.

I am actually astounded to see so many jumping on the RS bandwagon. Imagine he was your key witness in a court case. How do you think he would do on cross examination?

My point is not to attack RS. Rather, it is to point out the absurdity of taking his opinions and allegations about Monty at face value, and using them to disparage the best coach by far that I have seen at Cal since 1978. And from what others have said about the coaches since Newell up to Kuchen, I can safely say Monty is the best men's basketball coach at Cal in the last 50+ years.

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Here is the only thing RS said in this thread:

RealScouting;842421244 said:

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You win with recruits. If you're satisfied with beating a mediocre Syracuse team then by all means be my guest. But if you want to compete for Pac 12 titles year in and year out and eventually Final Fours and National Championships, then you would want to take recruiting over the results. They work hand in hand. Recruit the best players you can and the results will come.

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No mention of Monty at all. It was ML brother who made claims about the in home on this board.

While I wouldn't say ML's brother's claim about Monty is the truth about Monty, I would say you have no basis to refute ML's own brother that it is the truth about the Lee family's perception of Monty, which in recruiting or sales, is the main issue anyway. If Monty was misperceived, that is an issue in his style and presentation.

I could say more, but that is all I am going to say on this subject here--maybe someday we can discuss this over beers.