Bears vs the fightin' Sam Houstons (sufferin succotash)

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concordtom;842599638 said:

Okay, so was that play by bird legal? I thought the ball needed to hit rim for it to not be traveling. Or is that just pickup half court rules?


As long as the referee believes it's a legitimate shot attempt, you can rebound your own air ball. Pick up basketball players who do not understand this rule drive me insane.
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grandmastapoop;842599649 said:

As long as the referee believes it's a legitimate shot attempt, you can rebound your own air ball. Pick up basketball players who do not understand this rule drive me insane.


If that's the case, it sounds like you either use the grey area of the rule to your advantage (as Bird did) or you find yourself shooting lots of surprise air ball bricks.
Jk, thanks for the explanation
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concordtom;842599641 said:

No rooks. No Rabb. No brown.
Only Kravish, Berhens, Tarwater.
But of a difference.
I had thought KO would beat out Rooks but now we see otherwise. And given the depth it's odd man out.


But even getting beaten out by Rooks, I would think coach would want to develop Kingsley seeing as we only have two bigs and only one of which is a consistent performer.
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bearister;842599599 said:

Best offensive scheme: Loyola Marymount: Let the Big Dogs run.


Good call, but didn't we say this 6 months ago?
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socaltownie;842599600 said:

What an amazing stretch. Brown is amazing in person. Wow.


Welcome home. Sleep well at the clairmont.
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We knew going into this season minutes are just flat out not gonna be there for everyone that needs em. Its a good problem to have for the team but sucks for Kingsley. However, Kam sat out a season..he's gotten slimmer, stronger, faster, better. This is the time Kingsley needs to develop his game and body..and he doesn't have to have game time to do that. He'll be fine.
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MoragaBear;842599636 said:

They were researching if the NCAA would allow it.

Guess this is our answer.


Pls explain.

I thought you could play a bit preseason, but then had to shut it down
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SFBear2012;842599623 said:

Took care of business like expected. Now let's get the starters out and see Kingsley get some PT


Kingsley did get some minutes but to me he didn't look well. Last season he looked happier and moved better. Anyone know if he's sick or coming off an injury?
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Friday night was the Rabb show, tonight was the Brown show. Every night is the Wallace show. I love basketball season!
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grandmastapoop;842599649 said:

As long as the referee believes it's a legitimate shot attempt, you can rebound your own air ball. Pick up basketball players who do not understand this rule drive me insane.


When I played pick up players who thought they knew the rules but actually didn't drove me crazy. You have to hit the rim OR backboard to rebound your own shot. (You need to hit the rim to reset the shot clock.) The internet is your friend (for example, http://www.nba.com/2013/news/10/24/ask-donnie-q-and-a/).

Bird's play was legal.

Sluggo
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If you field your own airball, you are gonna get called for traveling (assuming the ball hasn't touched anyone else) .... Hit the rim or backboard and get extra stats (offensive rebounds)
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Coach Martin's explanation for substitution pattern in tonight's game(post game interview): A reaction to defensive breakdowns (i.e. You get beat-you sit). This was one of the pillars of the Allocco Dynasty at DLS.
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sluggo_Cal;842599668 said:

When I played pick up players who thought they knew the rules but actually didn't drove me crazy. You have to hit the rim OR backboard to rebound your own shot. (You need to hit the rim to reset the shot clock.) The internet is your friend (for example, http://www.nba.com/2013/news/10/24/ask-donnie-q-and-a/).

Bird's play was legal.

Sluggo


Bird's play was legal, yes. But you are wrong - in the NCAA (and in HS) you CAN rebound your own airball (or be the first to touch your own airball) of the shot attempt is legitimate. The NBA rule is the outlier. This is a forum for an NCAA basketball team, you know. As for pickup, with the NBA being the outlier, and plenty of other NBA rules not followed, it seems silly to me to follow the NBA rule on this play.
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grandmastapoop;842599672 said:

As for pickup, with the NBA being the outlier, and plenty of other NBA rules not followed, it seems silly to me to follow the NBA rule on this play.

So you are saying pick up players that didn't understand they shouldn't follow the NBA rule drove you insane?
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grandmastapoop;842599672 said:

Bird's play was legal, yes. But you are wrong - in the NCAA (and in HS) you CAN rebound your own airball (or be the first to touch your own airball) of the shot attempt is legitimate. The NBA rule is the outlier. This is a forum for an NCAA basketball team, you know. As for pickup, with the NBA being the outlier, and plenty of other NBA rules not followed, it seems silly to me to follow the NBA rule on this play.


Fair enough. But what rules should pick up follow? The age of the players? The ability of the players? And there is no referee to interpret. Only a lawyer would rebound their own airball and claim possession rather than hang their head in shame.

Sluggo
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SFBear2012;842599659 said:

But even getting beaten out by Rooks, I would think coach would want to develop Kingsley seeing as we only have two bigs and only one of which is a consistent performer.


Afterall, Cuonzo brought Okoroh with him from Tennessee. Kingsley had committed to the Vols, and then he decommitted, so he could follow Cuonzo to Cal.
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puget sound cal fan;842599720 said:

Afterall, Cuonzo brought Okoroh with him from Tennessee. Kingsley had committed to the Vols, and then he decommitted, so he could follow Cuonzo to Cal.


KO had me wondering how Idy Diallo was doing at BC.
Remember? The kid I talked to on a plane from Boston following his recruit visit there? If Monty stayed, he was Cal bound, I am sure.
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MoragaBear;842599636 said:

They were researching if the NCAA would allow it.

Guess this is our answer.


What was the NCAA issue? Thought any PT counted as a season, but that you could petition for a medical waiver after the season if you were injured early in the season.

Rotation mins are generically about what would be expected later in the season (end of OOC): 8 or 9 guys getting double digit minutes. Bummer that Rooks and King are in the same class since looks like King won't get double digit mins and Rooks barely sees that.
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Well let's see how the rotation looks when we play a team where we don't have a significant height advantage and Ivan gets into foul trouble. I'm guessing we'll find out on Thursday although I haven't actually looked at the SDSU roster.
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The fouls, minutes, beef will certainly come in handy at some point(s) this season. But I agree that KO seems to have lost a bit of emotional (and therefore physical) energy.
Whatever you're doing in life, helps to have that eye of the tiger.
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There's a lot of upside with this team. We're not close to where could be. The pure, raw talent to be special is there, though. There's a lot of work to be done on both sides of the ball. These next two games will are finally going to be the accurate barometer of where this team is at.


Wallace - nice game from him. This looks like it could be a regular thing for him. He's making an effort to facilitate early, which is nice to see. He showed some good vision on several plays and played under control for the most part. He still has plays where puts his head down and misses an open teammate, but those plays are becoming fewer.

Brown - this guy is just pure explosion. Probably the most explosive athlete we had in the program in a long time. Very raw still and he is pretty much is just playing on his amazing talent. Not many players his size can grab a board and take it down the court with that kind of speed and acceleration. He can look out of control a bit and miss an open teammate, but it's something that he'll likely improve at. I wish the NBA had a 2-year rule, because he'll be ridiculous with a summer of improvement.

His FT shooting and 3 point shot need work and he probably won't top 70-75% this season from the stripe, though he'll likely shoot a ton of FT's.

Rabb - the box score stats don't tell his impact in this game. He just this composure about him that is uncommon for a freshman. He's really our only quality true big (only 3 on the team) at the moment and I feel very comfortable when he's in the game. He's rarely out of position and usually makes the right play at both ends.

Mathews - 18 points on 5 shot attempts is ridiculous. He's one of the best shooters in the country. Just a quietly effective effort from him.

Bird - Struggling with his shot a bit (he's been long with it), but he's done some of the other things well and doesn't seem to be down on himself like in the past. The self-oop off the board near the end of the game was the play of the game for me. Something like that takes confidence, so it's nice to see that JB is in a good place even if his shot isn't falling.

Domingo - nice game from Steve. Just seems to be doing the little things that don't show up in the box score well. The hustle plays, the defense, etc. Nice job on the boards, too. I'm still thinking he'd be a very good fit in the starting lineup. I feel comfortable when he's out there.

Singer - probably our best defender against PG's and solid overall. Did a nice job on the defensive board and did what he does in pushing it down the court and finding guys.

Rooks - finally a dunk for Kam. He played a nice game, though this wasn't his best matchup defensively with Sam Houston being very small.

Roger - apparently he's the ninth guy. I've been a Roger-defender the past two seasons, but I'm not so sure anymore. I guess he can defend against wings and some 4's, but the progress isn't there for me. He still looks a bit lost, but the sample size is small. Right now, there's a big drop-off from 8 to 9.

Chauca - got in, so I guess no redshirt. I don't mind either way. It was garbage time, so not much to say. He needs to shoot more in this situation, it's not like coach is going to say anything. Let it fly!

Okoroh - looked either a bit rusty or just not into it, and perhaps he could have redshirted, but I understand why he didn't, as there are really only 3 bigs on the team.
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Good summary Tsuba -

I think Rooks will continue to get PT early on simply for bench development. As for KO, the same applies, but I'm wondering if he's been hurting or something. I'm also in agreement with you on Roger. Before the season, I thought we'd see Rooks start a few games in a bigger lineup with Bird or Matthews coming off the bench and getting more PT, but I have come around to see that both have improved their respective games this season and that Rooks still has some big gaps on both ends of the court.

As for Domingo - I think you summed it up perfectly for me: "I feel comfortable when he's out there". Same with Sam, IMHO. However, I like his flexibility coming off the bench - not as a starter.
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BB and Tsuba, two good posts!

I would add that Brown, in addition to his electric explosion, is super strong and hard to bump off his shot when near the hoop. He makes me think of the strength of Charles Barkley, when he is near the basket. I can see why he tries stuff that does not work. He must have gotten away with it in high school, so needs to adjust a bit. He already has shown adjustments. He also is an excellent passer, who only needs to learn better when to do it, rather than take on a threesome defending the basket.

I am hoping that his improvement continues game by game. I can see why Cuonzo has referred to him earlier as a monster, meaning that, of course, in the best way.

If Jaylen takes the game seriously and hones his skills, his ceiling is through the ceiling!

Go Bears!
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Pretty sparse crowd although it is Thanksgiving week

Rabb impressed me the most - amazing poise for a freshman - never forced it when doubled; always looking for the open teammate. He had a sweet pass to a cutting Bird for an easy two. One one play where the opponent got around him for a layup; you could see Rabb berating himself for letting that happen. Great at defending the rim as well - just has a knack for the game at both ends. Felt like he was our best player on the court last night.

Jaylen is much more raw but you can see the talent - the points and rebounds just sneak up on you - great back to back plays with him and Ty where they assisted on each other's buckets after steals. If he can improve his trey, he'll be unstoppable.

Bird didn't get frustrated after his first few shots didn't fall - he's been doing a great job at cutting to the basket for easy dunks/layups - we'll need him more when we start playing the better teams.

Matthews was just efficient - hit two big three's early after we fell behind 7-0 and nailed all of his free throws.

Ty scored and dished within the flow of the offense for the most part - a few ill-advised forays but he had some sweet dimes. Also, his ability to get into the paint and finish strong is great when the shot clock is winding down.

Nice easy win - now for some bigger tests in Las Vegas
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I liked what I saw yesterday.

Opposing coach was killing me....the amount of shouting that guy did was off the chart. Getting in his players faces, etc. Felt like he was trying to pattern his attitude after Knight during his IU days.

Loved seeing them get out and run off of TO and rebounds. Pushing pace favors this team and they should do it more often.

Saw Rabb and Brown get balls slapped out of their hands as they were going through traffic. Seems like brown while doing 2-3 things every game that are amazing loses the ball, particularly when he tires to use a spin move in traffic. Young player though so that is to be expected. He showed his strength on the boards and on a move he made along the baseline where he basically just pushed a guy out of the way and went up for a layup. Guy slid half way down the baseline and he wasnt flopping for a charge...really impressive.

Someone said Bird's shot was long....I have seen flat last couple of games. Lots of front rim on jumpers/3s and very little arc on FTs. loved the backboard pass for the dunk. The speed at which he got up for the ball was super impressive.

didn't see anyone mention one of my other favorite plays of the night when I believe wallace missed a FT and he got the reb and jammed it with one hand flat footed...didn't know he had it in him. Loved the strong finish.

Rooks - funny everyone talking about the dunk...to me it looked like it almost rimmed out....barely got over the hoop...but I liked his activity and liked that he went for the dunk.

thought singer was really composed...good def...took some of the shots available to him and did a nice job moving the ball around.
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aws56;842600095 said:

I liked what I saw yesterday.

Opposing coach was killing me....the amount of shouting that guy did was off the chart. Getting in his players faces, etc. Felt like he was trying to pattern his attitude after Knight during his IU days.

Loved seeing them get out and run off of TO and rebounds. Pushing pace favors this team and they should do it more often.

Saw Rabb and Brown get balls slapped out of their hands as they were going through traffic. Seems like brown while doing 2-3 things every game that are amazing loses the ball, particularly when he tires to use a spin move in traffic. Young player though so that is to be expected. He showed his strength on the boards and on a move he made along the baseline where he basically just pushed a guy out of the way and went up for a layup. Guy slid half way down the baseline and he wasnt flopping for a charge...really impressive.

Someone said Bird's shot was long....I have seen flat last couple of games. Lots of front rim on jumpers/3s and very little arc on FTs. loved the backboard pass for the dunk. The speed at which he got up for the ball was super impressive.

didn't see anyone mention one of my other favorite plays of the night when I believe wallace missed a FT and he got the reb and jammed it with one hand flat footed...didn't know he had it in him. Loved the strong finish.

Rooks - funny everyone talking about the dunk...to me it looked like it almost rimmed out....barely got over the hoop...but I liked his activity and liked that he went for the dunk.

thought singer was really composed...good def...took some of the shots available to him and did a nice job moving the ball around.


I guess that is why he got a technical. I couldn't tell who was doing all that yelling from where I sit.

That was a pretty impressive play by Wallace. We didn't have anyone on the left on that FT which seemed strange since it was a 1 and 1. We didn't have someone on the left earlier when we were shooting the first of 2, but filled in on the second shot. I think someone screwed up and didn't line up.
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GATC;842600099 said:

I guess that is why he got a technical. I couldn't tell who was doing all that yelling from where I sit.

That was a pretty impressive play by Wallace. We didn't have anyone on the left on that FT which seemed strange since it was a 1 and 1. We didn't have someone on the left earlier when we were shooting the first of 2, but filled in on the second shot. I think someone screwed up and didn't line up.


Someone from SHS screwed up and didn't block out Walace.
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sluggo_Cal;842599700 said:

Fair enough. But what rules should pick up follow? The age of the players? The ability of the players? And there is no referee to interpret. Only a lawyer would rebound their own airball and claim possession rather than hang their head in shame.

Sluggo


Only a jerk would insult someone when it's proven that they didn't understand a rule about a game that they act so high and mighty about on this forum. Next time maybe you could simply admit that you didn't know the college rule differs from the NBA rule. To answer your question, though, again, I think it is silly to adhere to an NBA rule that no other level of basketball adheres to, when playing pick up basketball, where plenty of other NBA rules are also not followed. Remember, we're talking about a rule that is played at only the highest level of basketball. Unless you or anyone else would like to out yourself a former NBA player that trolls these boards, I'll go out on a limb and say the rule I think should be played is the same as any level of basketball that anyone reading this ever played. That sure makes sense to me.

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