Bear Targets in the 2017 ESPN Top 100

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BC Calfan
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http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/view/espnu100/sort/rank/class/2017

First off, congrats to Jemarl Baker coming in at 64---nice to see the logo next to his name.

Names that I've seen come up on this board as targets:

2. Wendell Carter, Jr.
6. Brandon McCoy
7. Kevin Knox
16. PJ Washington
18. MJ Walker
21. Trae Young
(23. Charles O'Bannon, Jr. - Cal not on recent list)
28. Troy Brown, Jr.
37. Ikechukwu Obiagu
40. Cody Riley
45. Jaylen Nowell
47. Ethan Thompson
54. Jordan Goodwin
64. Jemarl Baker
78. Ira Lee
81. Oshae Brissett
92. Galen Alexander
parentswerebears
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But my question is,who realistically, is actually still being recruited by Cal?
Troy Brown and Ira Lee seem like the only ones who are under serious consideration at this time, just from chatter on this board and elsewhere. Is there anyone else who is the staff is going after in a major way?
PtownBear1
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It's weird, it seemed like we had so much momentum with all these big name 2017 recruits several months ago but now we appear to have dropped off the radar for most and are going after some lesser known guys without other significant offers. Of course, I'm only basing this off what I read on the recruiting sites and have no idea what's happening behind the scenes, but still.
puget sound cal fan
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Does Yanni's departure have anything to do with it?
going4roses
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puget sound cal fan;842699083 said:

Does Yanni's departure have anything to do with it?


negative recruiting


maybe CM not having a signed contract
NewYorkCityBear
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going4roses;842699171 said:

negative recruiting


maybe CM not having a signed contract


Well now that his contract is settled, I fully expect CM and staff to put together a stellar 2017 class. It might even be a 'monster' class, but that's for another thread.
MoragaBear
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SFBear2012;842699074 said:

It's weird, it seemed like we had so much momentum with all these big name 2017 recruits several months ago but now we appear to have dropped off the radar for most and are going after some lesser known guys without other significant offers. Of course, I'm only basing this off what I read on the recruiting sites and have no idea what's happening behind the scenes, but still.


That's not particularly true.

Every high-level recruit's not going to be interested but plenty are.
BearDevil
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http://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-basketball-men/article83553657.html#navlink=SecList

Bears recruiting Wendell Carter hard.
bluesaxe
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Is this the team attitude you want, though? [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Lyon]"First, I'm looking for a school that will take me in, so I can use them instead of them using me," he said. "Help me get to the next level instead of them taking me in to make their school look good."[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=sans-serif]
Read more here: http://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-basketball-men/article83553657.html#storylink=cpy[/FONT][/COLOR]

BearDevil;842702120 said:

http://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-basketball-men/article83553657.html#navlink=SecList

Bears recruiting Wendell Carter hard.
stu
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bluesaxe;842702256 said:

Is this the team attitude you want, though?


+1
PDXCalFan
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Sounds like a perfect fit for Duke and Kentucky who both just care about getting guys to the NBA so they can get another feather in their caps.
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bluesaxe;842702256 said:

Is this the team attitude you want, though? [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Lyon]"First, I'm looking for a school that will take me in, so I can use them instead of them using me," he said. "Help me get to the next level instead of them taking me in to make their school look good."[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=sans-serif]
Read more here: http://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-basketball-men/article83553657.html#storylink=cpy[/FONT][/COLOR]


I can understand why you interpret the comment that way, but I took it differently. The job of a university, IMO, is to prepare their students for the next phase of their life, whatever that may be. If I go to law school, the university should be preparing me to practice law and putting me in a position to succeed in that field. It should not be using me to somehow boost the reputation, finances, standing, etc. of the law school and university. The same is true, IMO, for the student athlete and that is where many universities fail. The primary goal of the university athletic program should be the development of the student athlete as a person, a student, and an athlete. It should not be the aggrandizement of the university.

That is what I took his comments to mean. He wants a program that will develop him, not a university that will use him for their own purposes (in which case, he should be thinking twice about UK, IMO.) Yes, I'd prefer it if he mentioned some team concept in there and if he had phrased it better than "use them instead of them using me", but honestly, in the world of college basketball, I think he is asking the right question of the programs he is looking at.

I look at UK as a mutual use situation that only works for certain athletes, namely the almost sure thing one and done. The school uses the athlete for basketball success and all that comes with it. The athlete is not looking for development as a player, person, or anything else. They want a platform to display their skills and they want to spend their one year winning at the highest level. I see that working for some as long as they see the limitations of what they are getting. I don't think it belongs in college sports, but that is a battle that has long since been lost.
petalumabear
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Have him talk to Ivan....

I agree with your take Oaktown....
BearDevil
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Think that Carter's going to UK, but his grades are better than DRob's & Jaylen's...
bluesaxe
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He might have meant it differently, but if he's looking for a program that will put his development over the team's development and sees those things as mutually exclusive that's a problem. I guess I don't get what the "taking me in to make their school look good" would mean if it isn't about team success, but given his age and the context maybe it means nothing. I have no problem with a kid wanting a program that will develop him into a better player at a position he'll play in the future. I'd like that as well.

OaktownBear;842702314 said:

I can understand why you interpret the comment that way, but I took it differently. The job of a university, IMO, is to prepare their students for the next phase of their life, whatever that may be. If I go to law school, the university should be preparing me to practice law and putting me in a position to succeed in that field. It should not be using me to somehow boost the reputation, finances, standing, etc. of the law school and university. The same is true, IMO, for the student athlete and that is where many universities fail. The primary goal of the university athletic program should be the development of the student athlete as a person, a student, and an athlete. It should not be the aggrandizement of the university.

That is what I took his comments to mean. He wants a program that will develop him, not a university that will use him for their own purposes (in which case, he should be thinking twice about UK, IMO.) Yes, I'd prefer it if he mentioned some team concept in there and if he had phrased it better than "use them instead of them using me", but honestly, in the world of college basketball, I think he is asking the right question of the programs he is looking at.

I look at UK as a mutual use situation that only works for certain athletes, namely the almost sure thing one and done. The school uses the athlete for basketball success and all that comes with it. The athlete is not looking for development as a player, person, or anything else. They want a platform to display their skills and they want to spend their one year winning at the highest level. I see that working for some as long as they see the limitations of what they are getting. I don't think it belongs in college sports, but that is a battle that has long since been lost.
85Bear
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bluesaxe;842702256 said:

Is this the team attitude you want, though? [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Lyon]“First, I’m looking for a school that will take me in, so I can use them instead of them using me,” he said. “Help me get to the next level instead of them taking me in to make their school look good.”[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=sans-serif]
Read more here: http://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-basketball-men/article83553657.html#storylink=cpy[/FONT][/COLOR]


Cuonzo's track record so far shows he has brought in high character recruits, and I trust he will continue to do so. I'm sure Cuonzo and staff has or will have spoken with Wendell, and if Wendell meets Cuonzo's standards, that's good enough for me.
bearmanpg
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I have often told young student athletes to "use basketball, don't let basketball use you"....if that is more along the lines of Wendell's thinking, I have no problem with it at all....but, I don't believe we can really know what he was thinking...
puget sound cal fan
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Carter sounds Tailor-made for Kentucky and vice-versa.
BearDevil
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Carter, Knox, Brown playing for Team USA @ 12 PT today on ESPNU.
concordtom
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BearDevil;842705684 said:

Carter, Knox, Brown playing for Team USA @ 12 PT today on ESPNU.


Missed it watching EURO: Iceland vs France.
What did you see?
petalumabear
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Equal blowouts in both games.
BearDevil
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concordtom;842705711 said:

Missed it watching EURO: Iceland vs France.
What did you see?


Carter wants to play PF in college, but he reminds me of a more athletic MSF. Thick and can bang, but runs well. May try to do too much.

Knox can get to the rim easily, but can also knock down outside shots.

Brown looks more like a point forward than a point guard. Good length and rebounds well. Good looking stroke, but shot wasn't falling. Plays with poise.

Collin Sexton was the best player on the court. Gary Trent is really good too.
parentswerebears
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On Twitter, it seems like Calipari is everywhere and that Cuonzo may as well have not been on the recruiting trail in the last two days. Does anyone know who he is watching during this live period?
oskidunker
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According to Yanni, the two of them have been recruiting at the same places.
Mr. Frumble
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Over the last couple of days Oshae Brissett has picked up offers from Maryland and Syracuse.
Anyone know if Cal is still in the picture?
parentswerebears
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Yes. I recall someone saying something about picking up 5 in 2017. We have 3. Who, besides Lee are we going after the hardest?
NewYorkCityBear
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NewYorkCityBear;842708893 said:




Wow. That's a strong final 8 group of schools. Nice to see Cal in there. In the past, this didn't happen often. Hope he chooses Cal. Obviously it would be huge to get the #2 recruit. Another player from Atlanta, maybe Sharif and Jaylen can give him some friendly advice.
BearDevil
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NewYorkCityBear;842708893 said:




Pretty sure our pal Uncle Lou will deny there are any schools other than Georgia on his list...
PtownBear1
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I like how he has Harvard on his list and the fact that he's from Georgia. Bodes well for us.
Rxrg09b
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SFBear2012;842708904 said:

I like how he has Harvard on his list and the fact that he's from Georgia. Bodes well for us.


Don't like our bottom right placement though. Only being a little bit sarcastic...
Mr. Frumble
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Not sure if he is still in the picture for Cal (or if Cal is still in the picture for him), but O'shae Brissett is leading the FIBA U18s in scoring through the end of the round robin. 17.7 ppg on 44% shooting and has shown good range. He is also 6th in rebounds. Canada is very undersized, and Brissett has often been matched again much taller players

Brissett's teammate Abu Kigab (also mentioned earlier in this thread) has struggled and looked out of place.

http://www.fiba.com/americas/u18/2016/playerstats
BC Calfan
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Anyone know about Alfred Hollins? He's in the 90s of the 2017 ESPN 100. Plays for Sacred Heart (SF) and The Soldiers. Back in December he put Cal in his Top 4. Could be similar to Harris-Dyson---both are 6'5, seem to have similar games. Haven't heard him mentioned at all on this board.
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Mr. Frumble;842709654 said:

Not sure if he is still in the picture for Cal (or if Cal is still in the picture for him), but O'shae Brissett is leading the FIBA U18s in scoring through the end of the round robin. 17.7 ppg on 44% shooting and has shown good range. He is also 6th in rebounds. Canada is very undersized, and Brissett has often been matched again much taller players

Brissett's teammate Abu Kigab (also mentioned earlier in this thread) has struggled and looked out of place.

http://www.fiba.com/americas/u18/2016/playerstats


His rebounding seems very impressive. Cal is watching him but not sure which schools are on him the hardest.
concernedparent
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Any news on Ethan Thompson? Last I heard we hadn't even offered him. Instead we picked up two similar position players who are rated much lower. Is the staff thinking their guys are better? Or basically conceding that Ethan is going somewhere else (probably Oregon State).
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