Jaylen Brown Wows in Vegas Summer League 7/12

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http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/sidebar/summer-post-071216-brown-showcases-star-potential-as-cs-down-mavs

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Jaylen Brown looked like a 19-year-old with star potential Tuesday afternoon against the Dallas Mavericks.

Brown was relentless in attacking the rim. He was a menace on defense. He was a consistent presence on the glass.

He was, in the end, a key driving force behind an 88-82 victory by the Boston Celtics.




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A hyperextended right knee left him out of the lineup for Boston's final two games in Utah, and then he totaled only 14 points on 3-of-18 shooting to go along with five rebounds during his first two games in Las Vegas.

Chatter had been growing louder and louder regarding Brown's underwhelming play. Then Tuesday arrived, and everything clicked.

Brown surpassed the totals of his previous two games combined by scoring 20 points and grabbing 10 boards against Dallas. He also ripped away four steals to lead all players, and he did all of this in only 24 minutes of action.

Much of his success on Tuesday, as head coach Jamie Young indicated, was predicated upon the Celtics getting the ball into his hands in the right situations. That's something they failed to do during the past two games but did regularly against Dallas.

"I think anytime Jaylen can catch the ball with a live dribble and catch it and drive it, he's good," Young said. "Anytime he gets out in transition, those types of things."

Still, it is on Brown to capitalize on such situations and use his elite athleticism to his favor. He did so over and over Tuesday afternoon.

Brown played with aggression almost every time he caught the ball, something the coaching staff has been urging him to do since minicamp began 12 days ago.

"We've told him: "Straight-line drives. Don't mess around. Catch it and rip and go and drive a straight line,'" Young explained.

Dallas had no answers for Brown once he put his head down and attacked. Not even second-year forward Justin Anderson who is built like a tank and is known for his defensive skills could slow Brown down.

Brown's performance was well-received by the Cox Pavillion crowd. Part of the reason why Danny Ainge invested the third overall pick in Brown was because of the youngster's athleticism. That athleticism was on full display against the Mavs.

Brown drew oohs and ahhs from the crowd on multiple occasions, highlighted by two terrific offensive plays.

First, he took a pass from Demetrius Jackson along the baseline and rose up for a loud, full-extension dunk in the face of Dallas' 7-foot-2 center, Satnam Singh.

Then, midway through the second quarter, Brown backed his defender down from the mid-post and sank a high-arcing jumper off of a turnaround move toward the baseline. The play looked eerily similar to Kobe Bryant's go-to move, and it looked as if Brown had done it a million times.
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I watched the previous game, and was surprised that he was defending the 4 a lot (in fact, it was often the PF from UW)
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Here's a similar article from ESPN:

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4723578/jaylen-brown-finding-success-at-the-line-above
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Highlights of yesterday including Jaylen's rip and a sweet turnaround: http://www.nba.com/celtics/video/#
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He played even better today.
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grandmastapoop;842707738 said:

http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/sidebar/summer-post-071216-brown-showcases-star-potential-as-cs-down-mavs


Meanwhile Ben Simmons is being rested (he left the first game with cramps) to much loud criticism, and Brandon Ingram is getting bodied around. JB may well prove to be the best pick in the draft.
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NewYorkCityBear;842708357 said:

Meanwhile Ben Simmons has being rested (he left the first game with cramps) to much loud criticism, and Brandon Ingram is getting bodied around. JB may well prove to be the best pick in the draft.


Possibly but I still think the best player in this draft is going to be Brandon Ingram. Too much skill and athleticism. Both he and Jaylen have been able to draw fouls and get to the line (especially Jaylen). Ingram had a very nice game tonight 22 PTS on 9/13 from the field. He can pull down the rebound and lead the break. Kid has very advanced skills. Needs to eat 10k calories a day.

The Lakers 2nd round pick Ivica Zubac has been really good too. Really stoked to have him.
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rathokan;842708466 said:

Possibly but I still think the best player in this draft is going to be Brandon Ingram. Too much skill and athleticism. Both he and Jaylen have been able to draw fouls and get to the line (especially Jaylen). Ingram had a very nice game tonight 22 PTS on 9/13 from the field. He can pull down the rebound and lead the break. Kid has very advanced skills. Needs to eat 10k calories a day.

The Lakers 2nd round pick Ivica Zubac has been really good too. Really stoked to have him.


As a Lakers fan, I hope you're right, but Ingram sure is one skinny kid.
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I think Simmons and Ingram will be stars

Simmons is just a natural, and at his size, he's the type of player the NEW NBA wants ... players that enable the team to go "small" without giving up defense and rebounding, and who can stretch the court ... he's not a great shooter yet, but he's a solid shooter and will get better ....

Ingram is long, can shoot, and can handle. Kinda like a cheap mans Durant. He'll get stronger

Brown has everything you want in a basketball player, except he's still raw ... give him time to develop and he'll improve his ball handling ... shooting is the easiest thing to improve on in basketball, and his shooting form is good ... just need reps and refinement
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NewYorkCityBear;842708357 said:

Meanwhile Ben Simmons is being rested (he left the first game with cramps) to much loud criticism, and Brandon Ingram is getting bodied around. JB may well prove to be the best pick in the draft.


Or, he may not end up in the top 10. Mostly it depends on his ability to improve his shooting. He's a ways away but I hope he gets there...
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SFBearz;842708903 said:

Or, he may not end up in the top 10. Mostly it depends on his ability to improve his shooting. He's a ways away but I hope he gets there...


Um, fairly certain he'll be better than just top 10. Knowing his work ethic, I'm sure his shooting will not be a problem for long and the C's seem all-in with him. It was kinda a joke that Simmons made the All Summer League First Team while JB was on the 2nd Team.
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NewYorkCityBear;842708908 said:

Um, fairly certain he'll be better than just top 10. Knowing his work ethic, I'm sure his shooting will not be a problem for long and the C's seem all-in with him. It was kinda a joke that Simmons made the All Summer League First Team while JB was on the 2nd Team.


I think he's years away from being a good shooter even with his work ethic. He'll be able to score in transition and get to the line but he needs to shoot it to end up top 10.
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SFBearz;842708943 said:

I think he's years away from being a good shooter even with his work ethic. He'll be able to score in transition and get to the line but he needs to shoot it to end up top 10.


I'll take that bet. I like JBs release and form on his jumper and defenses are going to give him the space to get it off. Not sure he's going to be a very good midrange shooter but I think he'll be a solid 3 point shooter in the NBA by his 2nd season. It's also a facet of his game that suits his personality. He'll grind it in practice because he's a loner. Chemistry, spacing, passing are all going to be tougher for him. He's far more a great solo act.
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SFBearz;842708943 said:

I think he's years away from being a good shooter


Not even close. His mechanics are good. Once he adjusts to the spacing and speed of the game, his percentages will climb. Two years at most and you'll see him shooting at least 45% from the field, 33% from 3pt land, and 75% from the stripe. Those may not be stellar numbers, but add in his defense and you have Kawhi Leonard type stats. Maybe you haven't heard, but NBA coaching is pretty darn good, and Brad Stevens is one of the best young coaches out there.
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NewYorkCityBear;842708961 said:

Not even close. His mechanics are good. Once he adjusts to the spacing and speed of the game, his percentages will climb. Two years at most and you'll see him shooting at least 45% from the field, 33% from 3pt land, and 75% from the stripe. Those may not be stellar numbers, but add in his defense and you have Kawhi Leonard type stats. Maybe you haven't heard, but NBA coaching is pretty darn good, and Brad Stevens is one of the best young coaches out there.


33% is not how I define "good." Maybe you haven't heard but becoming a good nba shooter doesn't happen overnight.
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SFBearz;842708963 said:

33% is not how I define "good." Maybe you haven't heard but becoming a good nba shooter doesn't happen overnight.


:rolleyes:
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CalHoopFan;842708947 said:

I'll take that bet. I like JBs release and form on his jumper and defenses are going to give him the space to get it off. Not sure he's going to be a very good midrange shooter but I think he'll be a solid 3 point shooter in the NBA by his 2nd season. It's also a facet of his game that suits his personality. He'll grind it in practice because he's a loner. Chemistry, spacing, passing are all going to be tougher for him. He's far more a great solo act.


Yes I also suspect he'll get plenty of open looks especially in a Stevens offense. He might be solid in a couple years, hopefully so, but I think 4-5 years is needed before guys like him, Simmons, Dejounte Murray, etc. can make the jump from poor college shooters to good nba shooters.
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NewYorkCityBear;842708961 said:

Not even close. His mechanics are good. Once he adjusts to the spacing and speed of the game, his percentages will climb. Two years at most and you'll see him shooting at least 45% from the field, 33% from 3pt land, and 75% from the stripe. Those may not be stellar numbers, but add in his defense and you have Kawhi Leonard type stats. Maybe you haven't heard, but NBA coaching is pretty darn good, and Brad Stevens is one of the best young coaches out there.


Kawhi Leonard type stats? No, not for years, even in an optimistic scenario. Good lord.
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SFBearz;842708970 said:

Kawhi Leonard type stats? No, not for years, even in an optimistic scenario. Good lord.


When it comes to points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks, he will be putting up numbers very similar to Leonard very soon. His efficiency is the main area of improvement. Scoff if you must.
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NewYorkCityBear;842708975 said:

When it comes to points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks, he will be putting up numbers very similar to Leonard very soon. His efficiency is the main area of improvement. Scoff if you must.


Except Leonard is a much better shooter and defender, and a better rebounder and passer. Other than that, they might have a few similarities.
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SFBearz;842709301 said:

Except Leonard is a much better shooter and defender, and a better rebounder and passer. Other than that, they might have a few similarities.


Yes, and Kawhi is 5 years older and shot 25% from 3 in two years in college before improving immensely over 5 NBA seasons. He also gets 2 assists per game, so if he's a better passer it's not showing in the stats. YOU could average 2 assists in 30 minutes per game.
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grandmastapoop;842709318 said:

Yes, and Kawhi is 5 years older and shot 25% from 3 in two years in college before improving immensely over 5 NBA seasons. He also gets 2 assists per game, so if he's a better passer it's not showing in the stats. YOU could average 2 assists in 30 minutes per game.


The fact that he is 5 years older is why a comparison to current day Leonard is crazy.
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SFBearz;842709323 said:

The fact that he is 5 years older is why a comparison to current day Leonard is crazy.


I think we interpreted his post differently.
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SFBearz;842709301 said:

Except Leonard is a much better shooter and defender, and a better rebounder and passer. Other than that, they might have a few similarities.


This year was Kawhi's best by far. Last year (when admittedly he had some injury problems) he averaged 16.5 pts, 7.2 rbs, 2.5 assts & 2.3 steals on .479fg/.349-3pt percentages. That was still his best statistical year to that point. I could easily see Jaylen hitting those benchmarks in a couple of years. You obviously don't. I get it.
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As is so often the case with young players, it really is hard to know how much they will improve. Certainly Jaylen has a huge amount going for him, in his size and raw ability. That he is even being compared to Leonard, now certainly a first or second team all-NBA'er, is a testament to his amazing potential.

Certainly when he is five years older, we will know a lot more about him...
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south bender;842709426 said:

As is so often the case with young players, it really is hard to know how much they will improve. Certainly Jaylen has a huge amount going for him, in his size and raw ability. That he is even being compared to Leonard, now certainly a first or second team all-NBA'er, is a testament to his amazing potential.

Certainly when he is five years older, we will know a lot more about him...


Ha, nobody is comparing him to Leonard except one poster on this board.
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SFBearz;842709468 said:

Ha, nobody is comparing him to Leonard except one poster on this board.


...well, except for this guy....
http://www.celticsblog.com/2016/6/24/12028372/i-went-to-school-with-jaylen-brown-here-is-why-he-is-different

"Jaylen Brown reminds me ridiculously of Kawhi Leonard. Same height, similar wingspan, commitment to defense, lack of shooting and shot-selection when coming into the league. Quiet, seemingly emotionless, but opponents feared for their lives when sharing the court. We all can see how Kawhi is now. I am a basketball player, and I am a strong believer that you CAN teach shooting and handles much easier than defensive capabilities, whether its footwork and rim protection,"

....oh, and this guy....
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2611277-2016-nba-draft-prospects-breaking-down-the-pro-future-of-cals-jaylen-brown

"Brown's numbers and body type share similarities with Kawhi Leonard when he was at San Diego State. Leonard averaged the same number of assists (1.9) as a freshman, and his scoring numbers as a sophomore (15.5 PPG) are almost identical to Brown's current numbers. Leonard also struggled shooting the three in college, making only 25 percent of his threes in his two years at San Diego State."

....and this guy....
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2016/5/25/11734482/nba-draft-2016-scouting-profile-jaylen-brown

"With the right organization, the right player development system, and a by-in by Brown, he could turn into a mini Kawhi Leonard."

...oh, yeah, and this guy....
http://thesixersense.com/2016/04/04/case-drafting-jaylen-brown/

"Players like Buddy Hield and Kris Dunn are likely to have better rookie seasons and are significantly less likely to be a bust than Brown, but Brown has the possibility to become the next Jimmy Butler or Kawhi Leonard. "

....even a cursory search on google produces many comparisons to Leonard, so why don't you give it a rest and go stand in the corner for a while.
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NewYorkCityBear;842709487 said:

...well, except for this guy....
http://www.celticsblog.com/2016/6/24/12028372/i-went-to-school-with-jaylen-brown-here-is-why-he-is-different

"Jaylen Brown reminds me ridiculously of Kawhi Leonard. Same height, similar wingspan, commitment to defense, lack of shooting and shot-selection when coming into the league. Quiet, seemingly emotionless, but opponents feared for their lives when sharing the court. We all can see how Kawhi is now. I am a basketball player, and I am a strong believer that you CAN teach shooting and handles much easier than defensive capabilities, whether its footwork and rim protection,"

....oh, and this guy....
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2611277-2016-nba-draft-prospects-breaking-down-the-pro-future-of-cals-jaylen-brown

"Brown's numbers and body type share similarities with Kawhi Leonard when he was at San Diego State. Leonard averaged the same number of assists (1.9) as a freshman, and his scoring numbers as a sophomore (15.5 PPG) are almost identical to Brown's current numbers. Leonard also struggled shooting the three in college, making only 25 percent of his threes in his two years at San Diego State."

....and this guy....
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2016/5/25/11734482/nba-draft-2016-scouting-profile-jaylen-brown

"With the right organization, the right player development system, and a by-in by Brown, he could turn into a mini Kawhi Leonard."

...oh, yeah, and this guy....
http://thesixersense.com/2016/04/04/case-drafting-jaylen-brown/

"Players like Buddy Hield and Kris Dunn are likely to have better rookie seasons and are significantly less likely to be a bust than Brown, but Brown has the possibility to become the next Jimmy Butler or Kawhi Leonard. "

....even a cursory search on google produces many comparisons to Leonard, so why don't you give it a rest and go stand in the corner for a while.


Oh you're right, you've found some esteemed scouts (lol) from places like bleacher report and some guy who went to school with Brown. I'll break these down when I get a chance.
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SFBearz;842709523 said:

Oh you're right, you've found some esteemed scouts (lol) from places like bleacher report and some guy who went to school with Brown. I'll break these down when I get a chance.


Nice try. Your ability to make an unequivocal statement, have that statement blown up, and then try to brush it off is positively Trumpian. I only posted the first 4 that came up.

Here's NBC Sports. I had to go all the way to the second page of the search to find this one.
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/06/22/pbts-2016-nba-draft-prospect-preview-jaylen-brown/

"Hell, his physical tools and skill development is similar to what Kawhi Leonard‘s was when he left college, but the thing both of those guys have in common is that they lock themselves in a gym and won’t leave until they’re better than they were at the start of the day."

I could post more but since you're too lazy to actually back up your statement that 'nobody is comparing him to Leonard except one poster on this board,' I'll pass.

Now go get a little ice for that burn, Donald.
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NewYorkCityBear;842709526 said:

Nice try. Your ability to make an unequivocal statement, have that statement blown up, and then try to brush it off is positively Trumpian.

Here's NBC Sports
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/06/22/pbts-2016-nba-draft-prospect-preview-jaylen-brown/

"Hell, his physical tools and skill development is similar to what Kawhi Leonard's was when he left college, but the thing both of those guys have in common is that they lock themselves in a gym and won't leave until they're better than they were at the start of the day."

I could post more but since you're too lazy to actually back up your statement that 'nobody is comparing him to Leonard except one poster on this board,' I'll pass.

Now go get a little ice for that burn, Donald.


Puhlease, your dishonesty is impressively consistent. This quote, once again does not support your statement that:

"When it comes to points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks, he will be putting up numbers very similar to Leonard very soon"

So you've basically changed the subject...nice try.
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SFBearz;842709536 said:

Puhlease, your dishonesty is impressively consistent. This quote, once again does not support your statement that:

"When it comes to points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks, he will be putting up numbers very similar to Leonard very soon"

So you've basically changed the subject...nice try.


My dishonesty? I was stating my OPINION in that post. You are more than welcome to disagree and I even said as much.

NewYorkCityBear;842709344 said:

I could easily see Jaylen hitting those benchmarks in a couple of years. You obviously don't. I get it.


But then you doubled down on your opinion being the only one when you stated unequivocally
SFBearz;842709468 said:

Ha, nobody is comparing him to Leonard except one poster on this board.


THAT is the complete bullsh*t that I just shot apart. Seriously, bozo. You just got served and are calling ME dishonest?

Admit it - you just got shot down and can't admit you're wrong. Clearly plenty of people are making that comparison. So go back into the corner and think about what you say before spouting sh*t, loser.
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NewYorkCityBear;842709537 said:

My dishonesty? I was stating my OPINION in that post. You are more than welcome to disagree and I even said as much.



But then you doubled down on your opinion being the only one when you stated unequivocally

THAT is the complete bullsh*t that I just shot apart. Seriously, bozo. You just got served and are calling ME dishonest?

Admit it - you just got shot down and can't admit you're wrong. Clearly plenty of people are making that comparison. So go back into the corner and think about what you say before spouting sh*t, loser.


You seem to really have trouble understanding exchanges. And then can only resort to insults. Let's see if you can get it: Whether even 1000 people were comparing Brown in college to Leonard in college, or their potential is entirely different from your claim I was disagreeing with that Brown will "very soon" be as good as Leonard. Of course then you backtracked on that and now are trying to change the substance of the exchange. You've done the same before when not being able to back up your main contention.
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SFBearz;842709546 said:

You seem to really have trouble understanding exchanges. And then can only resort to insults. Let's see if you can get it: Whether even 1000 people were comparing Brown in college to Leonard in college, or their potential is entirely different from your claim I was disagreeing with that Brown will "very soon" be as good as Leonard. Of course then you backtracked on that and now are trying to change the substance of the exchange. You've done the same before when not being able to back up your main contention.


Please show me where I have backtracked? It's my opinion he will be good very soon. I used Kawhi Leonard as an example of a high motor player whose shot improved greatly once he spent time in the NBA and I still think Jaylen projects towards him in terms of his versatility, ability to get rebounds, steals and play great defense as well as score. It can't be 'proved' one way or the other until he's put in time in regular season games. Only time will tell. In contrast your only argument against that is....well no argument. You just scoff at the possibility, even though many others have made the same comparison. So when you say I have trouble understanding exchanges and accuse me of 'dishonesty' you should really look in the mirror. You've made no cogent argument to the contrary as to why you can't see him developing, and your only 'argument' in this exchange is...

SFBearz;842709468 said:

Ha, nobody is comparing him to Leonard except one poster on this board.


...which is clearly not true. I've proved that. You accuse me of 'backtracking' but don't show where I have 'backtracked.' You, on the other hand, made a definitive statement which I then proved to be patently false and when I proved it as such, you first mock the sources, and then when I cite another, obviously well-respected source, you suddenly accuse me of changing the subject? So i think it's pretty clear here from which side the 'dishonesty' and attempt to 'change the substance of the exchange' is coming.

Have a great day :-)
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Toobad he wasnt awsome the last 10 games of the year. All he did was cause Mathews to leave.
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