http://pac-12.com/article/2016/11/21/cal-freshman-moore-named-pac-12-mens-basketball-player-week

" To date, Moore's 38 points are the most by any Pac-12 player this season and the fifth-most in the country, including the most by any freshman, and the total matches the fourth-most by any freshman in Pac-12 Conference history."

Moore is 7-18 for 38.9% from deep.
Was 1-5 from deep in his first game.
Since then he is 6-13, or 46.15%

Damn!

concordtom;842767760 said:

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Moore is 7-18 for 38.9% from deep.
Was 1-5 from deep in his first game.
Since then he is 6-13, or 46.15%

Damn!

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CT, perhaps Charlie will help your feeling less jilted by Mathews. Charlie does everything better than did Jordan. This is not a slam at the latter, but simply recognizing Charlie for the talent and developed skill that he brings.

Were he as tall as even Mathews, he would likely be one and done.

south bender;842768598 said:

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CT, perhaps Charlie will help your feeling less jilted by Mathews. Charlie does everything better than did Jordan. This is not a slam at the latter, but simply recognizing Charlie for the talent and developed skill that he brings.

Were he as tall as even Mathews, he would likely be one and done.

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Charlie is such a revelation, I would not be entirely surprised if some NBA people might be re-thinking the conventional wisdom about his height.

mikecohen;842768600 said:

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Charlie is such a revelation, I would not be entirely surprised if some NBA people might be re-thinking the conventional wisdom about his height.

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Selfishly I hope not.

Height matters so much, unfortunately. Imagine a screen and roll isolating him on Durant or Derozan or so many others in the NBA.

I'm so glad the Memphis coach left or got fired or whatever it was. With Bird out at least two more weeks, imagine what our team would be like without Moore. Teams could literally triple team Rabb.

I doubt it at this point. I think the kid is going to be a great college player but I don't see a plus NBA skill. If he proves me wrong I won't complain.

mikecohen;842768600 said:

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Charlie is such a revelation, I would not be entirely surprised if some NBA people might be re-thinking the conventional wisdom about his height.

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I am a big fan of Charlie, but folks should understand the defensive issues that arise with a 5'10' guard. Wyoming's Justin James, a 6'7" guard came off the bench to play point and scored 28 points. James and fellow non-starter 6'8" Hayden Dalton caused all kinds of match-up problems for the Bears. Oregon and UCLA, to name two Pac 12 teams, have guards that will score a lot of points against this Bear defense.

Moore reminds me of Jahii Carson.

sheki;842768721 said:

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Moore reminds me of Jahii Carson.

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Carson was more explosive and athletic. I think Moore is a better player.

Carson sat out his freshman year for academics, then declared for the draft after two years. He went undrafted, and has bounced around among various international leagues:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahii_Carson

SFBear2012;842768708 said:

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I'm so glad the Memphis coach left or got fired or whatever it was. With Bird out at least two more weeks, imagine what our team would be like without Moore. Teams could literally triple team Rabb.

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Two is enough.

south bender;842768598 said:

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CT, perhaps Charlie will help your feeling less jilted by Mathews. Charlie does everything better than did Jordan. This is not a slam at the latter, but simply recognizing Charlie for the talent and developed skill that he brings.

Were he as tall as even Mathews, he would likely be one and done.

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Astute you are!
When I wrote those stats from 3, it was Mathews I was thinking about, too.

dgong;842768717 said:

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I am a big fan of Charlie, but folks should understand the defensive issues that arise with a 5'10' guard. Wyoming's Justin James, a 6'7" guard came off the bench to play point and scored 28 points. James and fellow non-starter 6'8" Hayden Dalton caused all kinds of match-up problems for the Bears. Oregon and UCLA, to name two Pac 12 teams, have guards that will score a lot of points against this Bear defense.

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Yeah, and they will go at him for points AND fouls on him to send him to the bench.

south bender;842768598 said:

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CT, perhaps Charlie will help your feeling less jilted by Mathews. Charlie does everything better than did Jordan. This is not a slam at the latter, but simply recognizing Charlie for the talent and developed skill that he brings.

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I seriously doubt CM is a better three point shooter.

Civil Bear;842768860 said:

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I seriously doubt CM is a better three point shooter.

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Question: What do the stats say about that at this point?

Civil Bear;842768860 said:

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I seriously doubt CM is a better three point shooter.

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stats say yes, but the actual point I think we can all agree on was only to recognize that he's shooting it quite well.

mikecohen;842769056 said:

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Question: What do the stats say about that at this point?

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You mean after 4 games?

Actually after the first half tonight,he very well might be a better outside shooter than Mathews. He is certainly better of the dribble.

Civil Bear;842769166 said:

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You mean after 4 games?

Actually after the first half tonight,he very well might be a better outside shooter than Mathews. He is certainly better of the dribble.

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AND he has a better handle, And his court vision (undoubtedly best on the team thus far); And, even his defense (which gets criticized because of his size) is better - especially with all the steals. And I have the sense that he gets rebounds like Curry does, being the little guy in the right place in traffic.

mikecohen;842769213 said:

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AND he has a better handle, And his court vision (undoubtedly best on the team thus far); And, even his defense (which gets criticized because of his size) is better - especially with all the steals. And I have the sense that he gets rebounds like Curry does, being the little guy in the right place in traffic.

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Yeah, my initial comment, which you responded to, only questioned if his 3pt shooting was better.

moore has super court sense and quick hands. how many balls did he get a hand on tonight?

mikecohen;842769213 said:

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AND he has a better handle, And his court vision (undoubtedly best on the team thus far); And, even his defense (which gets criticized because of his size) is better - especially with all the steals. And I have the sense that he gets rebounds like Curry does, being the little guy in the right place in traffic.

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He is very good. However - and I say this recognizing it is no fault of his own - I worry when he is matched up on a BIGGER guard. I GUESS we will switch - but I expect a HUGE dose of L. Ball up top isolated with the Ruins running 4 flat. Not sure what the heck we do there....I guess simply sag and dare Ball to make threes?

we'll switch moore onto alford who is about the same size, but I get your point (UW's freshmen PG is another bad matchup for moore)

socaltownie;842769228 said:

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He is very good. However - and I say this recognizing it is no fault of his own - I worry when he is matched up on a BIGGER guard. I GUESS we will switch - but I expect a HUGE dose of L. Ball up top isolated with the Ruins running 4 flat. Not sure what the heck we do there....I guess simply sag and dare Ball to make threes?

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Civil Bear;842768860 said:

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I seriously doubt CM is a better three point shooter.

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CB, I am not saying CM wins a 3-point shooting contest. Game play, as I know you agree, is different. In that we have no comparison. Charlie will not get frustrated by tight defense and throw up ill advised, rushed 3's. Mathews does this and his percentage goes way down on them. Charlie, in contrast, is more prudent and will drive past anyone pressuring from afar.

south bender;842769325 said:

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CB, I am not saying CM wins a 3-point shooting contest. Game play, as I know you agree, is different. In that we have no comparison. Charlie will not get frustrated by tight defense and throw up ill advised, rushed 3's. Mathews does this and his percentage goes way down on them. Charlie, in contrast, is more prudent and will drive past anyone pressuring from afar.

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AND (bears repeating) make passes, the quality of which ranges from (a) better than something stupid, to (b) mind-manifestingly sensational -- i.e., a really low percentage of mistakes, and sometimes just great.

Moore will be cal's all time leading scorer. Guaranteed

Anyone want to bet against that?

ducky23;842769347 said:

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Moore will be cal's all time leading scorer. Guaranteed

Anyone want to bet against that?

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If he plays 4 full years at Cal, it's agreed. When the games get tighter we may see him taking over more and putting up over 30 points many times.

Injuries and personal issues could always interrupt that. Maybe he ends up getting homesick and wants to be closer to some ailing family member. You just never know. Enjoy him while he's here, be it one year or four.

nice photo. tough to get good basketball shots, due to speed of action, lots of bodies blocking the clean shot, and darkness of inside stadium. Need a good camera and a fast lens.

MoragaBear;842769358 said:

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Here's my shot of Charlie tonight, getting the last of his 22 points

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ducky23;842769347 said:

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Moore will be cal's all time leading scorer. Guaranteed

Anyone want to bet against that?

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Oooo.
Good call, Ducky.

So what is the math in that?
X games times y ppg ....

My photos do that too.
I want to plug into the flash that happens in the arena for the pros.

Still, in 30 years, you get to have this image from when Cal's all timer was just getting started. Good pic.

ducky23;842769347 said:

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[SIZE=4]Moore will be cal's all time leading scorer. Guaranteed[/SIZE]

Anyone want to bet against that?

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Ah, found it. (font size emphasis mine)

Okay, so Charlie is averaging 14.8 pts per game as a frosh.
How does that compare?

[FONT=Courier New][SIZE=2]1. Jerome Randle – Guard, 5-10, 172
Season G FG-FGA 3P-3PA FT-FTA TP AVG
2006-07 33 70-180 26-86 48-59 214 6.5
2007-08 27 124-290 52-131 67-77 367 11.8
2008-09 33 191-381 82-177 139-161 603 18.3
2009-10 35 210-460 92-228 139-149 651 18.6
Totals 132 595-1311 252-622 393-446 1835 13.9

2. Sean Lampley — Forward, 6-7, 225
Season G FG-FGA 3P-3PA FT-FTA TP AVG
1997-98 27 89-198 5-19 43-73 226 8.4
1998-99 32 151-307 4-12 90-142 396 12.4
1999-00 33 212-417 1-17 124-192 549 16.6
2000-01 31 209-416 7-33 180-244 605 19.5
Totals 123 661-1338 17-81 437-651 1776 14.4

3. Patrick Christopher – Guard, 6-5, 220
Season G FG-FGA 3P-3PA FT-FTA TP AVG
2006-07 33 71-153 13-39 18-26 173 5.2
2007-08 33 188-412 45-135 82-103 503 15.2
2008-09 33 176-399 48-134 78-94 478 14.5
2009-10 35 204-457 58-172 80-93 546 15.6
Totals 134 639-1421 164-480 258-316 1700 12.7

4. Lamond Murray —Forward, 6-7, 220
Season G FG-FGA 3P-3PA FT-FTA TP AVG
1991-92 28 152-321 17-56 66-93 387 13.8
1992-93 30 230-445 36-99 76-121 572 19.1
1993-94 30 262-550 46-139 159-208 729 24.3
Totals 88 644-1316 99-294 301-422 1688 19.2

5. Joe Shipp — Forward, 6-5, 220
Season G FG-FGA 3P-3PA FT-FTA TP AVG
1999-00 33 109-235 40-121 43-56 301 9.1
2000-01 31 95-216 34-108 35-50 259 8.4
2001-02 32 162-333 43-122 107-137 474 14.8
2002-03 31 241-465 40-113 110-145 632 20.4
Totals 127 607-1249 157-464 295-388 1666 13.1[/SIZE][/FONT]

MoragaBear;842769358 said:

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Here's my shot of Charlie tonight, getting the last of his 22 points

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I thought you sat on the other side.
Did they move you?
And can Charlie dunk a tennis ball?

concordtom;842794049 said:

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Ah, found it.

Okay, so Charlie is averaging 14.8 pts per game as a frosh.
How does that compare?

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continue to top 10:

[FONT=Courier New][SIZE=2]6. Kevin Johnson –– Guard, 6-1, 180
Season G FG-FGA 3P-3PA FT-FTA TP AVG
1983-84 28 98-192 75-104 271 9.7
1984-85 27 127-282 94-142 348 12.9
1985-86 29 164-335 123-151 451 15.6
1986-87 34 212-450 48-124 113-138 585 17.2
Totals 118 601-1259 48-124 405-535 1655 14.0

7. Bob McKeen –– Center, 6-7, 220
Season G FG-FGA 3P-3PA FT-FTA TP AVG
1951-52 30 124\-337 43-93 291 9.7
1952-53 26 175-417 107-191 457 17.6
1953-54 27 169-404 93-162 431 16.0
1954-55 24 181-443 113-197 475 19.8
Totals 107 649-1601 356-643 1654 15.5

8. Tyrone Wallace –– Guard, 6-5, 205
Season G FG-FGA 3P-3PA FT-FTA TP AVG
2012-13 33 88-257 22-98 39-73 237 7.2
2013-14 35 141-328 43-134 70-112 395 11.3
2014-15 33 208-489 28-88 120-198 564 17.1
2015-16 28 151-343 25-84 100-154 427 15.3
Totals 129 588-1417 118-404 329-537 1613 12.5

9. Leonard Taylor –– Forward/Center, 6-8, 220
Season G FG-FGA 3P-3PA FT-FTA TP AVG
1984-85 28 125-235 97-134 347 12.4
1985-86 29 131-257 84-117 346 11.9
1986-87 14 87-147 0-0 92-114 266 19.0
1987-88 (Redshirt - injury)
1988-89 33 233-432 16-41 167-206 649 19.7
Totals 104 576-1071 16-41 440-571 1608 15.5

10. Brian Hendrick –– Forward, 6-9, 225
Season G FG-FGA 3P-3PA FT-FTA TP AVG
1989-90 32 175-295 0-0 128-188 478 14.9
1990-91 28 189-340 0-0 114-152 492 17.6
1991-92 19 115-241 0-2 75 -112 305 16.1
1992-93 27 101-206 0-0 79-116 281 10.4
Totals 106 580-1082 0-2 396-568 1556 14.7[/SIZE][/FONT]

Hendrick would likely be #3 if not for missing 10+ games to injury his Junior year.
His 14.9 compares to Charlie's 14.8.

I doubt Charlie will be a 20 point scorer like some of the guys on the list above him. So, he will have to stay consistent a this current level and injury free.