Chapman_is_Gone;842825300 said:

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I laugh at all these people who think Wilcox is somehow a good hire. Nobody knows anything...

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I agree. He needs to coach his first season before I am prepared to say what kind of hire Wilcox is.

Uthaithani;842825056 said:

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Worst MBB coach hire in Cal history after the worst hiring process in college basketball history, he shouldn't be given the dignity of a resignation. He should be fired.

Worst. AD. Ever.

And to those who argued on Williams behalf - I told you so.

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I think you are being a little too harsh. There is a worse Athletic Director, a more inept one than Williams. And that is the guy who agreed to pay Cuonzo Martin $21 Million to coach basketball at Missouri.

Cuonzo is gone now, and the more I learn, the less I am respecting him, so I feel free to say this: Basketball is offense and defense, and offensively at least, Cuonzo Martin can’t coach his way out of a paper bag.

OTOH the last time Cal actually was a great program was when Wooden was coaching, so there's that.

SFCityBear;842825220 said:

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I agree that most fans here don't know how ready Wyking Jones is for the head coaching job at Cal. Clearly, he has paid his dues, and some of those dues were paid under a very good coach, Rick Pitino. He has put in enough years to be named head coach somewhere, but we should have a little concern that he has been hired as head coach of a program with some great history like Cal and a strong conference like the PAC12. For a coach without experience in a job like this, it takes perhaps about 5 years to judge him. I watched Cuonzo for three years and could not find a lot to like about his teams, but I couldn't find enough bad to want his resignation either. I was willing to wait a year or two more to judge. With Wyking, he needs time, and if not our support, at least willing to wait and see how he does.

Aside from that, the statement about John Wooden is really not applicable, in the sense that Wooden was never an assistant coach, like Wyking. A three-time All-American as a player, Wooden began his coaching career as a head high school coach, where he coached for 11 years. He then got the head coaching job at Indiana State, where he coached for two seasons before landing the head Coaching job at UCLA, where he was an immediate success, winning the PCC Southern Division 4 years straight, with two trips to the NCAA regionals. In 1956, Wooden and UCLA took 3rd place in the NCAA regional. Still, Wooden did not win his first NCAA title until 1964, sixteen years after landing the head coaching job at UCLA. Wyking may become as successful as Wooden, but I doubt that many Cal fans would be willing to wait that long for anyone to win the NCAA or make a run in that tournament. I know I'm not.

This underscores my contention that the best fit for Cal would be someone with head coaching experience. Wooden had 13 years of that experience before he was given the UCLA job, and it still took many years more for him to become great. We can't set the bar too high for Wyking. If he is any good, he will learn and grow with the program and the game, and hopefully become successful.

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bluesaxe;842825782 said:

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OTOH the last time Cal actually was a great program was when Wooden was coaching, so there's that.

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And when Wooden was coaching, teams had few if any assistant coaches. Newell had only one salaried assistant coach, Rene Herrerias, who scouted and coached the freshman team. He had a couple of other assistants who were PE teachers, and sometimes helped out at practices. During games no one sat on the bench except Newell and the players. Now there are almost as many assistants as players. As Herrerias once said, looking at all the assistants on the modern bench, “What is it those guys do, anyway? They ought to break out a deck of cards and play a game or something.”

palisadesbear;842825230 said:

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I worked with Mike at an economic consulting firm way back in 1983 or so, and reconnected with him several times within the last few months. I assure you, Mike is one smart dude. Don't let his mild manner give you a false impression, the man is a top-notch thinker.

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I think there are some that think he might not have the necessities .. there are still neanderthals like that

This organization is run worse than Cal:

Magic Meets With Star Player Following Photo Gaffe Claiming He Was Trade Bait

4820623-magic-meet-with-star-player-following-photo-gaffe-claiming

Poor mildcat

SFCityBear;842825775 said:

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I think you are being a little too harsh. There is a worse Athletic Director, a more inept one than Williams. And that is the guy who agreed to pay Cuonzo Martin $21 Million to coach basketball at Missouri.

Cuonzo is gone now, and the more I learn, the less I am respecting him, so I feel free to say this: Basketball is offense and defense, and offensively at least, Cuonzo Martin can't coach his way out of a paper bag.

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Actually.....

The Mizzu AD was the AD when SDSU has raised to prominence under Steve F and now sells out a Veijas a year in advance, has a 2000 person waiting list for tickets, got a practice facility done, etc. etc. etc.

I think they overpaid for Martin but the "dumb" AD did far more on the mesa that any of his predecessors and runs circles around anyone we have EVER had ;-

Isn't he also the AD that did this?

Chapman_is_Gone;842825300 said:

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Zero credit for the Wilcox hire. Until Wilcox demonstrates he can beat our peers, he is just as likely to be a dismal failure as a success. I laugh at all these people who think Wilcox is somehow a good hire. Nobody knows anything...

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We do know he's made some great assistant hires. I give him credit for that.

Chapman_is_Gone;842825300 said:

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Zero credit for the Wilcox hire. Until Wilcox demonstrates he can beat our peers, he is just as likely to be a dismal failure as a success. I laugh at all these people who think Wilcox is somehow a good hire. Nobody knows anything...

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Dammit, can't I just think Wilcox is a good hire for a few months here while he is still undefeated? You are a human buzzkill! Now he's gotta go out and PROVE he's good by winning games? Why?!? There aren't even any games for like four months, dude.

"Nobody knows anything..." Like hell: I know that Wilcox is the only UNDEFEATED Head Coach in Cal Football History!!!

And same with Wyking Jones in basketball! We are blessed to be witnessing the Golden Age of Cal sports. Can we all just sit back and enjoy it for a few more months?

barabbas;842824145 said:

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Yes, they identified Wilcox as their guy in November. The idea he would be available and not hired by Oregon or some other school is purely DUMB LUCK! It took them 5 weeks to figure out they couldn't fire Sonny with cause. Waiting 5 weeks to change football coaches during December, while other schools are recruiting and hiring coaches is a ridiculous strategy which is why no other school operates like this! And is reflected by Musselman calling Cal's hiring process a "Circus."

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I think you might be right calling for his resignation, but more for his handling of donors, not so much the hiring process specifically.

socaliganbear;842824151 said:

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And people blame millennials for outrage culture...

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Literally chortled in the john.

barabbas;842823948 said:

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Mike Williams never had the tools to be AD at Cal and unfortunately he's demonstrating Why by mishandling the two most important decisions the athletic department makes: the hiring of the head football coach and men's basketball coach. He lucked out that Wilcox was available after wasting 5 weeks. Now, he is bungling the basketball coaching hire while not providing the support the former needed to conduct a top program. He is really an embarrassment.

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just doesn't have the 'necessities' .. is that your reasoning?? how did he bungle the BB hire?? I think it was a good one

Mark Orr ...

http://www.sacbee.com/sports/college/article140928093.html

BearBackerinLA;842829614 said:

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Mark Orr ...

http://www.sacbee.com/sports/college/article140928093.html

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Seems an odd move.

Oakbear;842829462 said:

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just doesn't have the 'necessities' .. is that your reasoning?? how did he bungle the BB hire?? I think it was a good one

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Funny, the only person using the racially-charged term "necessities" seems to be you, and on multiple threads.

What is it with all the outrage and anger being expressed on this board?
Yes, there seems to be communications issues that need to be addressed, but an excellent young coach has be hired and he is assembling an outstanding staff.

joe yaks;842829642 said:

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What is it with all the outrage and anger being expressed on this board?.

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You new to Muruhkuh?