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SFCityBear said:

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...Cuonzo Maritn never signed even one good point guard...

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Charlie Moore was a good point guard. He was not very consistent, and his season tailed off at the end of the year, but you have to remember he was a true freshman, and not very physically advanced. And he played in an offense under Cuonzo that doesn't generate a lot of assists. Overall, I thought Charlie was a very good player (and one I wish was still at Cal).

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You're right. I had a senior moment and forgot about him. He was pretty decent for a freshman, and I also wish we still had him. With him, I think Cal would have won more games last season.

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SFCityBear said:

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helltopay1 said:

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Dear Beached---monty agrees with you--he always said that all teams need three point guards. and you are right---last year we didn't have a single one!!i'm praying for Akinjo--If we land him, winston will see limited minutes, at best.

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How do we land three point guards? Most teams have trouble finding two, and many can't find one. At Cal, Monty had three just one time, in 2012, with Cobbs, Jorge, and Smith. In 2009, he had only one, Randle. The others were not D1 level, IMO. The great recruiter, Cuonzo Maritn never signed even one good point guard . . .

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Heh heh heh

If it was easy EVERYONE would do it. Just more of a reason to give someone like Akinjo a good look. One other solution is to find/develop PG skills in other positions. I think Monty actually did this pretty well with Jorge as well as Kamp & Boykins. Not ideal, perhaps, but at least the offense wasn't too sticky.

Warriors are a great example - KD and Draymond as point forwards. Bogut was a good point center as well. Not point guards, but could fill the role in terms of initiating the half court or even bringing it up court.

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Great points. It would be my preference to play that way, with everyone, or at least several players on the floor looking to pass the ball and move without it to get open. You still need a player who can lead on the floor, but with everyone looking to run plays for each other, it takes a lot of pressure off the point guard, and puts more pressure on the defense. The Warriors are a great example of this, and not just the current Warriors. The 1975 Warriors who won the NBA title did it with this style of play as well, everyone moving and passing, led by Rick Barry who was a point forward.

We definitely can use more talented players on this team as well as ... (ok, ok, once, for a change, I not going to go there).

Go Bears!

Dear SF City Bear and other grizzled vets: I'm happy for Loyola of Chicago. They won at the buzzer tonight--first NCAA win in 33 years. loyola of Chicago had good teams in the v1940's. USF beat them 49-48 for the NIT championship in 1948. I listened to the game on the radio. Guess who played guard for USF??Rene Herrerias. He never plays basketball here in Rossmoor. he is, however, a scratch golfer.

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Dear SF City Bear and other grizzled vets: I'm happy for Loyola of Chicago. They won at the buzzer tonight--first NCAA win in 33 years. loyola of Chicago had good teams in the v1940's. USF beat them 49-48 for the NIT championship in 1948. I listened to the game on the radio. Guess who played guard for USF??Rene Herrerias. He never plays basketball here in Rossmoor. he is, however, a scratch golfer.

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Helltopay1 - Remember when the Loyola of Chicago Ramblers won the NCAA Championship in 1963? They beat Duke by 19 in the Final Four, and then beat two-time defending NCAA Champion by two point in overtime. They also set the tournament record which still stands, beating Tennessee Tech in the first round by 69 points. They are the only team from the state of Illinois to have won the NCAA championship. They were led by All-American Jerry Harkness. The five starters played the entire championship game of 45 minutes. Can you imagine the five starters of any team today all playing 45 minutes, even with the 20 timeouts they get?

Nice to hear about Rene. I was mad at him for years for cutting me from the Cal frosh in 1959, even though I scored more points in 3 days of tryouts than nearly all the other 60 players. I could shoot, but I finally realized I was not a very good basketball player, or big enough to make that Cal team, so I forgave him. In golf, I was a good putter, but not much else, and the best I could do was a 6-handicap which lasted only a couple of months, before I ballooned to an 8. Now I would be lucky to break 90. so Rene is a scratch golfer. Damn, the guy still has my number!

helltopay1 said:

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Dear Ursa--hardly--and thank you for revealing your political leanings. Great line from Jack Warden in the movie, The Verdict--" how do you think they made all that money---by doing good?"

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So, basically, you "follow politics" and speculate wildly while calling it "knowing where the bodies are buried."
And no doubt without any political leanings except saying **** like "msm" and "Hollywood" protect them.

Maybe just keep the politics out of here?

bluesaxe---your leanings have now been revealed:

Akinjo officially has his release from UCONN. He is now a free agent. Has the staff called him yet?

Wait, so is Akinjo a possibility or not?

dear parents & socal----we will never have another chance like this--akinjo & brown are obviously talking about both coming to cal because of recent developments with UConn & UCLA. Maybe even Jones is talking to both brown & Akinjo---as I said, talk about ALL our stars aligning---the stars are NOW ALIGNED!!!as Shocky was fond of saying, " let's do this'!!!!!

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dear parents & socal----we will never have another chance like this--akinjo & brown are obviously talking about both coming to cal because of recent developments with UConn & UCLA. Maybe even Jones is talking to both brown & Akinjo---as I said, talk about ALL our stars aligning---the stars are NOW ALIGNED!!!as Shocky was fond of saying, " let's do this'!!!!!

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Any way we can get them that doesn't break any rules and doesn't come across as unethical: This would partially make up for all of the times WE lost recruits due to "recent developments at Cal" -- basketball and football.

We had a chance. We hot Rabb and Brown and lost to Hawaii

oskidunker said:

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We had a chance. We hot Rabb and Brown and lost to Hawaii

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You have to qualify that loss with the fact that Cal played without two starters in Bird and Wallace...both were lost within 24 hours of tip off, so the Bears had no plan and were indeed in deep do-do.
Repeating the same thing without that footnote is pretty weak IMO.

Dang. That was quick. We've got competition for sure.

Who does that office belong to? Nice decor....

Thanks, Eric. Is that J Kidd in the photo as well? I never picked up on the fact Salesian's coach was a Cal alum. Other than Bird (and Best in football), have any other salesman grads played at Cal recently?

Alkiadt said:

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oskidunker said:

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We had a chance. We hot Rabb and Brown and lost to Hawaii

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You have to qualify that loss with the fact that Cal played without two starters in Bird and Wallace...both were lost within 24 hours of tip off, so the Bears had no plan and were indeed in deep do-do.
Repeating the same thing without that footnote is pretty weak IMO.

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Giving excuses is what is weak, IMO. Cal started that game with Rabb and Brown, plus Mathews. On paper, based on recruit rankings or anything you want to base it on, Cal was still loaded compared to Hawaii, and should have won. Singer, who replaced Wallace, had a good game. And I'm sure Cal had a plan, just not a good enough plan.

It was a perfect example of hanging our hopes on highly rated recruits instead of hanging our hopes on players playing together as a team. Highly rated recruits can dominate, but they can also disappoint. They are human, they can live up to their ranking, and they also can get hurt, get sick, flunk out, foul out, or come up against a defender or defense that they or their coach can't solve.

EricBear said:

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ColoradoBear said:

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Thanks, Eric. Is that J Kidd in the photo as well? I never picked up on the fact Salesian's coach was a Cal alum. Other than Bird (and Best in football), have any other salesman grads played at Cal recently?

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I don't think that is J Kidd in the Bill Mellis photo. Can't quite tell who it is. That is the great Jason Ura on Bill's left. Another terrific guy.

Do like the sweet Jabari Bird print above James.

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I've also been trying to figure out who that is next to Billy and Jason. I think it's George Ashley, who was a walk-on on the 92-93 team but I'm not 100% certain. So probably a year or two after your time.

Now that a scholarship has opened, will Akinjo get a home visit with Coach Jones and Walker? We need another facilitator along with Austin. This will help create a lot more depth.

Not as cut and dried as we were expecting...

Looks like Coach Jones and Walker need to get on it in regards to recruiting with Akinjo. I'm sure he is a high priority. Hope he comes to Cal. Lots of competition for his services.

EricBear said:

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MoragaBear said:

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Think about it from the outside. Nobody thinks Cal's going to get anybody that has other good options right now.

They're definitely on it, regardless of what the national media thinks.

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Agreed and correct.

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There was mutual interest before, right? But then Cal went for the "birds in the hand" with the Austin transfer and the signings of McNeill and Winston, then thought they'd sit out a year on recruiting point guards.

Gonna be more schollies open now though, plus McNeill is questionable at the point and Winston looks like a reserve, at best.

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I am trying to imagine somebody from the Bay Area having numerous options and CHOOSING to go to Wichita State. Does not compute. (except I have heard there is a lot of donor money "floating around" there)