But a Vanderlaan reference probably counts as deep coma!Chapman_is_Gone said:
Well, at least the board isn't dead anymore!
He peaked in his first game at that tournament in Alaska.Big C said:
Dude started his Cal career like a house on fire, then faded into oblivion. Arrived in the famous "Rockfish class", IIRC.
What prompted you to come up with info on him?
Yup, after that tourney cyberbears.org'rs (not to be confused with cyberbear.com'rs) were worried he would jump to the NBA after his frosh season.KoreAmBear said:He peaked in his first game at that tournament in Alaska.Big C said:
Dude started his Cal career like a house on fire, then faded into oblivion. Arrived in the famous "Rockfish class", IIRC.
What prompted you to come up with info on him?
His freshman year, his numbers were higher and, I think if you look at his first 10 games, they were near-gaudy. He was at his zenith right then.calumnus said:
Starting as a sophomore he averaged 6 points and 5 rebounds per game before transferring.
Big C said:His freshman year, his numbers were higher and, I think if you look at his first 10 games, they were near-gaudy. He was at his zenith right then.calumnus said:
Starting as a sophomore he averaged 6 points and 5 rebounds per game before transferring.
Ryan Jameson?Civil Bear said:Yup, after that tourney cyberbears.org'rs (not to be confused with cyberbear.com'rs) were worried he would jump to the NBA after his frosh season.KoreAmBear said:He peaked in his first game at that tournament in Alaska.Big C said:
Dude started his Cal career like a house on fire, then faded into oblivion. Arrived in the famous "Rockfish class", IIRC.
What prompted you to come up with info on him?
I don't recall anyone at Cal since him that could establish such great position inside...only to fumble the pass with such hands of stone.
RJ preceded NVL. RJ had perhaps even worse hands, but I still don't recall anyone able to get better position inside without the rock better than NVL.UrsaMajor said:Ryan Jameson?Civil Bear said:
I don't recall anyone at Cal since him that could establish such great position inside...only to fumble the pass with such hands of stone.
I hear what you're saying, but I think there's a difference between being gently-but-candidly critical and being a jerk. I've seen fans really cross the line, like with our former QB, Ayoob, and it made me sick. But it's a sports message board: People are going to talk about the players. Question of degree, of tone and of word choice.SFCityBear said:
Don't we all love how so many of us relish in bashing our former players, except those who made it to paradise and Nirvana - the NBA. Those gifted Cal athletes are sacrosanct - untouchable on the BI. The rest are chopped liver and their memory needs to be ground into dust. It is no wonder that Cal has won next to nothing in the major sports in the last 50 years or more, with fans like us. Maybe we don't deserve good teams with good players.
I say "we," because I am probably sometimes guilty of this as well, but I try and focus my displeasure on the coaches and not the kids. They are the ones who are paid millions of dollars to mold these immature kids, most of whom have skulls filled with mush, along with having average to great physical talent, into a team which can win championships. A daunting task, but they are paid well for it, and since some of that is our money, through taxes and the purchase of tickets, the coaches I will more likely criticize, rather than a young kid who is trying to grow up and be a man and still have fun playing basketball, in front of fans who can't handle losing very well.
Please tell us what was said specifically about NVL that led to your sanctimonious and hyperbolic response.SFCityBear said:
Don't we all love how so many of us relish in bashing our former players, except those who made it to paradise and Nirvana - the NBA. Those gifted Cal athletes are sacrosanct - untouchable on the BI. The rest are chopped liver and their memory needs to be ground into dust. It is no wonder that Cal has won next to nothing in the major sports in the last 50 years or more, with fans like us. Maybe we don't deserve good teams with good players.
I say "we," because I am probably sometimes guilty of this as well, but I try and focus my displeasure on the coaches and not the kids. They are the ones who are paid millions of dollars to mold these immature kids, most of whom have skulls filled with mush, along with having average to great physical talent, into a team which can win championships. A daunting task, but they are paid well for it, and since some of that is our money, through taxes and the purchase of tickets, the coaches I will more likely criticize, rather than a young kid who is trying to grow up and be a man and still have fun playing basketball, in front of fans who can't handle losing very well.
The Joe Ayoob bashing bordered on hate. Yes, he played poorly, but I put most of that on Tedford. At CCSF, Ayoob was a running quarterback in a spread offense. Running a team and runnng the ball himself were his skills, and Tedford tried to force him to be a pocket passer in a pro set offense, as I remember it. The best coaches recruit to fill needs in their system, but if they don't get all the players they want, and instead end up with players not suited to their system, then they have the flexibility to modify their system to suit the talent they have on the roster. Cuonzo Martin was another coach who tried to force players to do things they were not good at. Coaches like Newell, Monty, and in footballl, Pappy Waldorf made adjustments in their system to emphasize their players' best skills, and hide their weaknesses. Joe Ayoob never had a chance.Big C said:I hear what you're saying, but I think there's a difference between being gently-but-candidly critical and being a jerk. I've seen fans really cross the line, like with our former QB, Ayoob, and it made me sick. But it's a sports message board: People are going to talk about the players. Question of degree, of tone and of word choice.SFCityBear said:
Don't we all love how so many of us relish in bashing our former players, except those who made it to paradise and Nirvana - the NBA. Those gifted Cal athletes are sacrosanct - untouchable on the BI. The rest are chopped liver and their memory needs to be ground into dust. It is no wonder that Cal has won next to nothing in the major sports in the last 50 years or more, with fans like us. Maybe we don't deserve good teams with good players.
I say "we," because I am probably sometimes guilty of this as well, but I try and focus my displeasure on the coaches and not the kids. They are the ones who are paid millions of dollars to mold these immature kids, most of whom have skulls filled with mush, along with having average to great physical talent, into a team which can win championships. A daunting task, but they are paid well for it, and since some of that is our money, through taxes and the purchase of tickets, the coaches I will more likely criticize, rather than a young kid who is trying to grow up and be a man and still have fun playing basketball, in front of fans who can't handle losing very well.
Litmus test: Would you say the same thing to a semi-buddy, if you were out having a beer?
He went down to the Senior Bowl one year to work out for NFL people. He always had a very high opinion of his abilities.mcdbear said:
I seem to remember he was going to try to play pro football as a TE. Obviously didn't happen but I think he trained for it in an attempt to get a tryout.