So who do you think should be on our AD's radar screen? Sure we have zilch impact on this but it is a fun topic (while I think about how tasty by dozen Top Dogs will be from Morago). 10 wins? I think 6 could be it.

On my list would be

Travis
Fred Hoiberg
Russel Turner

In no particularly order.

Sadly (cause f'ing CAL) you have to figure that Kyle Smith is the presumptive front runner as people with power will be overlytaken with his "Ivy League" background - forgetting that Pac-12 basketball is NOT the Academy of Science and that Cal hoops recruits are not (and should generally not) be choosing between us and an Ivy (but rather us and USC, Washinton, Zona, UCLA, etc.)

Nate Oats, Buffalo Bulls Head Coach. He was Bobby Hurley's assistant at the school before Hurley left for ASU.
Buffalo is currently undefeated and ranked 14/15.

Now that we have an AD that by all accounts seems to know what they're doing, I'd like us to take another run at Bennett. It just makes so much sense. Cal can multiply his salary without him even having to relocate.

Here is a nice article about Hoiberg. Might be like getting anothe Zmike Monthomery, although not sure what kind if offense he believes in at the college level.
https://amp.desmoinesregister.com/amp/2191885002

I feel like we finally have a good AD who will make a good (non-typiCal) choice. Looking forward to MBB returning to respectability under a real AD.

Lets hope we are not held hostage by an overpaid search committee. Use the money to pay the coach more.

Best part about this thread is that it will be a feel good one. EVERYONE will represent an upgrade. Hell, a random gray hair from the chair backs would be better. Rebellions were built on hope ;-)

I nominate Eric.

socaltownie said:

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So who do you think should be on our AD's radar screen? Sure we have zilch impact on this but it is a fun topic (while I think about how tasty by dozen Top Dogs will be from Morago). 10 wins? I think 6 could be it.

On my list would be

Travis
Fred Hoiberg
Russel Turner

In no particularly order.

Sadly (cause f'ing CAL) you have to figure that Kyle Smith is the presumptive front runner as people with power will be overlytaken with his "Ivy League" background - forgetting that Pac-12 basketball is NOT the Academy of Science and that Cal hoops recruits are not (and should generally not) be choosing between us and an Ivy (but rather us and USC, Washinton, Zona, UCLA, etc.)

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Tell me how much Cal is willing to spend on this and maybe I'll come up with names. I'm not convinced Cal is willing to spend money on basketball right now and I think that is why you have Wyking in the first place. Unless Wyking was a ploy to demonstrate to donors how low we are willing to go if they don't cough up 100% of the salary.

OaktownBear said:

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socaltownie said:

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So who do you think should be on our AD's radar screen? Sure we have zilch impact on this but it is a fun topic (while I think about how tasty by dozen Top Dogs will be from Morago). 10 wins? I think 6 could be it.

On my list would be

Travis
Fred Hoiberg
Russel Turner

In no particularly order.

Sadly (cause f'ing CAL) you have to figure that Kyle Smith is the presumptive front runner as people with power will be overlytaken with his "Ivy League" background - forgetting that Pac-12 basketball is NOT the Academy of Science and that Cal hoops recruits are not (and should generally not) be choosing between us and an Ivy (but rather us and USC, Washinton, Zona, UCLA, etc.)

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Tell me how much Cal is willing to spend on this and maybe I'll come up with names. I'm not convinced Cal is willing to spend money on basketball right now and I think that is why you have Wyking in the first place. Unless Wyking was a ploy to demonstrate to donors how low we are willing to go if they don't cough up 100% of the salary.

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Well we're now spending mid P12 level on football, so I don't see why we wouldn't do the same for BB. Mid P12 level would be about ~$2.25

Can someone definitively prove once and for all whether Kidd is eligible to coach d1 college basketball?

My general thought on this season/Wyking remains the same. Let's punt on the coaching move till after next season, here's my plan and how to sell it:

1. The top priority for basketball right now should be long term infrastructure, i.e. the facility. Yeah, selling this to donors with how we're currently trending and a possibly similar year 3 is tough, my pitch is this - Let's get the facility under way now, and by year 3 Wyking has either miraculously turned things around (competing for a tourney seed) or we go out and get the best coach your money and a new facility in progress can buy.

Don't worry too much about keeping players/recruiting in tact. In basketball that can all change in one off season with the right staff. Don't worry too much about losing the fan base, you've already lost it. Don't worry about Wyking, his time with this program is fleeting. Get the big picture stuff in order first.

We can do this because we've already hit rock bottom (save sanctions or something tragic).

I hope we can hire a brand name proven coach. Someone like when we hired Monty.

How about the guy from Nevada? He may be interedtrd now that we have a real AD.

Go Bears!

PtownBear1 said:

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socaltownie said:

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So who do you think should be on our AD's radar screen? Sure we have zilch impact on this but it is a fun topic (while I think about how tasty by dozen Top Dogs will be from Morago). 10 wins? I think 6 could be it.

On my list would be

Travis
Fred Hoiberg
Russel Turner

In no particularly order.

Sadly (cause f'ing CAL) you have to figure that Kyle Smith is the presumptive front runner as people with power will be overlytaken with his "Ivy League" background - forgetting that Pac-12 basketball is NOT the Academy of Science and that Cal hoops recruits are not (and should generally not) be choosing between us and an Ivy (but rather us and USC, Washinton, Zona, UCLA, etc.)

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Tell me how much Cal is willing to spend on this and maybe I'll come up with names. I'm not convinced Cal is willing to spend money on basketball right now and I think that is why you have Wyking in the first place. Unless Wyking was a ploy to demonstrate to donors how low we are willing to go if they don't cough up 100% of the salary.

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Well we're now spending mid P12 level on football, so I don't see why we wouldn't do the same for BB. Mid P12 level would be about ~$2.25

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I believe the difference in projected revenue between a winning-vs-losing football program here is a lot more than for basketball.

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I hope we can hire a brand name proven coach. Someone like when we hired Monty.

How about the guy from Nevada? He may be interedtrd now that we have a real AD.

Go Bears!

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With what he's done at Nevada, I'm sure there are going to be bigger names calling him other than cal. Hell, wouldn't be surprised if the nba was a possibility.

OaktownBear said:

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Tell me how much Cal is willing to spend on this and maybe I'll come up with names. I'm not convinced Cal is willing to spend money on basketball right now and I think that is why you have Wyking in the first place. Unless Wyking was a ploy to demonstrate to donors how low we are willing to go if they don't cough up 100% of the salary.

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You can decide to go cheap and still end up with a far superior coach to Why King?

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calbear80 said:

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I hope we can hire a brand name proven coach. Someone like when we hired Monty.

How about the guy from Nevada? He may be interedtrd now that we have a real AD.

Go Bears!

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With what he's done at Nevada, I'm sure there are going to be bigger names calling him other than cal. Hell, wouldn't be surprised if the nba was a possibility.

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Mussleman. NBA did call. He busted. But I agree - I assume a "real" bb school next for Eric M

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OaktownBear said:

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Tell me how much Cal is willing to spend on this and maybe I'll come up with names. I'm not convinced Cal is willing to spend money on basketball right now and I think that is why you have Wyking in the first place. Unless Wyking was a ploy to demonstrate to donors how low we are willing to go if they don't cough up 100% of the salary.

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You can decide to go cheap and still end up with a far superior coach to Why King?

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I completely agree. I'm just saying some of the names are ridiculous if Cal continues to go cheap. Don't take my comment as an argument to keep Jones.

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Yogi Bear said:

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OaktownBear said:

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Tell me how much Cal is willing to spend on this and maybe I'll come up with names. I'm not convinced Cal is willing to spend money on basketball right now and I think that is why you have Wyking in the first place. Unless Wyking was a ploy to demonstrate to donors how low we are willing to go if they don't cough up 100% of the salary.

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You can decide to go cheap and still end up with a far superior coach to Why King?

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I completely agree. I'm just saying some of the names are ridiculous if Cal continues to go cheap. Don't take my comment as an argument to keep Jones.

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I don't envision Cal pursuing someone like Fred Hoiberg. They'll be looking at guys who've had some success either in a lesser league or an assistant that has more going for him than Wyking does. Something similar to the Wilcox hire in football, hoping to strike gold again.

Big C said:

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PtownBear1 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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socaltownie said:

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So who do you think should be on our AD's radar screen? Sure we have zilch impact on this but it is a fun topic (while I think about how tasty by dozen Top Dogs will be from Morago). 10 wins? I think 6 could be it.

On my list would be

Travis
Fred Hoiberg
Russel Turner

In no particularly order.

Sadly (cause f'ing CAL) you have to figure that Kyle Smith is the presumptive front runner as people with power will be overlytaken with his "Ivy League" background - forgetting that Pac-12 basketball is NOT the Academy of Science and that Cal hoops recruits are not (and should generally not) be choosing between us and an Ivy (but rather us and USC, Washinton, Zona, UCLA, etc.)

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Tell me how much Cal is willing to spend on this and maybe I'll come up with names. I'm not convinced Cal is willing to spend money on basketball right now and I think that is why you have Wyking in the first place. Unless Wyking was a ploy to demonstrate to donors how low we are willing to go if they don't cough up 100% of the salary.

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Well we're now spending mid P12 level on football, so I don't see why we wouldn't do the same for BB. Mid P12 level would be about ~$2.25

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I believe the difference in projected revenue between a winning-vs-losing football program here is a lot more than for basketball.

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I'm not going to qualify that with an "I believe". It is extremely questionable whether paying that much more in salary for a basketball coach would result in that much more revenue. Most of basketball revenue comes to us if we win or not and wins don't move the revenue needle that much. The difference in football is huge. And even in football, we hired a guy with a salary that made him the lowest paid coach in P-5 and then only increased his salary WHEN HE PROVED COMPETENT. I'll believe that Cal offers more than Jones' salary for a new coach when I see it. Until then, I think this thread is fantasy.

Some interesting posts here. My thoughts FWIW

1.The main difference between now and then is that Jim Knowlton has a great relationship with the donor community, whereas Mike Williams went out of his way to alienate all of us. Thus, if it is decided that we need to pony up $$ for a more meaningful coaching salary, Jim is more likely to be able to get it.

2. Kidd is not going to be coach. A) he has no experience coaching college B) he wasn't exactly a great success as an NBA coach, and most importantly, C) his baggage of domestic violence won't play at Cal. Can you imagine trying to recruit to a team that has women on campus calling for a boycott?

3. I'm not as sold on Turner as SCT, who has been pimping him for years. Turner has done some good things at UCR, but his record has been up and down, and no one has exactly beaten down the doors. There is no evidence that he can recruit at the P6 level, although he'd certainly be an upgrade.

4. I also don't see E-Muss as a reasonable choice either. He has built Nevada by taking almost exclusively transfers and questionable academic risks. Not sure how that flies at Cal. Plus, as others have pointed out, if he jumps it's either for another shot at the NBA or for some place like a top ACC or SEC school.

socaltownie said:

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ducky23 said:

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calbear80 said:

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I hope we can hire a brand name proven coach. Someone like when we hired Monty.

How about the guy from Nevada? He may be interedtrd now that we have a real AD.

Go Bears!

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With what he's done at Nevada, I'm sure there are going to be bigger names calling him other than cal. Hell, wouldn't be surprised if the nba was a possibility.

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Mussleman. NBA did call. He busted. But I agree - I assume a "real" bb school next for Eric M

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As president of the Bobby sura fan club, you don't need to tell me that musselman busted with the warriors

https://goeags.com/coaches.aspx?rc=24

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PtownBear1 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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socaltownie said:

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So who do you think should be on our AD's radar screen? Sure we have zilch impact on this but it is a fun topic (while I think about how tasty by dozen Top Dogs will be from Morago). 10 wins? I think 6 could be it.

On my list would be

Travis
Fred Hoiberg
Russel Turner

In no particularly order.

Sadly (cause f'ing CAL) you have to figure that Kyle Smith is the presumptive front runner as people with power will be overlytaken with his "Ivy League" background - forgetting that Pac-12 basketball is NOT the Academy of Science and that Cal hoops recruits are not (and should generally not) be choosing between us and an Ivy (but rather us and USC, Washinton, Zona, UCLA, etc.)

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Tell me how much Cal is willing to spend on this and maybe I'll come up with names. I'm not convinced Cal is willing to spend money on basketball right now and I think that is why you have Wyking in the first place. Unless Wyking was a ploy to demonstrate to donors how low we are willing to go if they don't cough up 100% of the salary.

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Well we're now spending mid P12 level on football, so I don't see why we wouldn't do the same for BB. Mid P12 level would be about ~$2.25

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I believe the difference in projected revenue between a winning-vs-losing football program here is a lot more than for basketball.

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Not even close at a school like Cal. Football is a good investment. Basketball with a $2.5 million HC and competitively paid assistants doesn't get you much above break even even with a mild to top tier team, and the program is a long way from that. Right now, in the Pac 12, I don't understand the economic model.

OaktownBear said:

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Big C said:

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PtownBear1 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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socaltownie said:

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So who do you think should be on our AD's radar screen? Sure we have zilch impact on this but it is a fun topic (while I think about how tasty by dozen Top Dogs will be from Morago). 10 wins? I think 6 could be it.

On my list would be

Travis
Fred Hoiberg
Russel Turner

In no particularly order.

Sadly (cause f'ing CAL) you have to figure that Kyle Smith is the presumptive front runner as people with power will be overlytaken with his "Ivy League" background - forgetting that Pac-12 basketball is NOT the Academy of Science and that Cal hoops recruits are not (and should generally not) be choosing between us and an Ivy (but rather us and USC, Washinton, Zona, UCLA, etc.)

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Tell me how much Cal is willing to spend on this and maybe I'll come up with names. I'm not convinced Cal is willing to spend money on basketball right now and I think that is why you have Wyking in the first place. Unless Wyking was a ploy to demonstrate to donors how low we are willing to go if they don't cough up 100% of the salary.

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Well we're now spending mid P12 level on football, so I don't see why we wouldn't do the same for BB. Mid P12 level would be about ~$2.25

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I believe the difference in projected revenue between a winning-vs-losing football program here is a lot more than for basketball.

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I'm not going to qualify that with an "I believe". It is extremely questionable whether paying that much more in salary for a basketball coach would result in that much more revenue. Most of basketball revenue comes to us if we win or not and wins don't move the revenue needle that much. The difference in football is huge. And even in football, we hired a guy with a salary that made him the lowest paid coach in P-5 and then only increased his salary WHEN HE PROVED COMPETENT. I'll believe that Cal offers more than Jones' salary for a new coach when I see it. Until then, I think this thread is fantasy.

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I endorse this post.

wifeisafurd said:

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Big C said:

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PtownBear1 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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socaltownie said:

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So who do you think should be on our AD's radar screen? Sure we have zilch impact on this but it is a fun topic (while I think about how tasty by dozen Top Dogs will be from Morago). 10 wins? I think 6 could be it.

On my list would be

Travis
Fred Hoiberg
Russel Turner

In no particularly order.

Sadly (cause f'ing CAL) you have to figure that Kyle Smith is the presumptive front runner as people with power will be overlytaken with his "Ivy League" background - forgetting that Pac-12 basketball is NOT the Academy of Science and that Cal hoops recruits are not (and should generally not) be choosing between us and an Ivy (but rather us and USC, Washinton, Zona, UCLA, etc.)

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Tell me how much Cal is willing to spend on this and maybe I'll come up with names. I'm not convinced Cal is willing to spend money on basketball right now and I think that is why you have Wyking in the first place. Unless Wyking was a ploy to demonstrate to donors how low we are willing to go if they don't cough up 100% of the salary.

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Well we're now spending mid P12 level on football, so I don't see why we wouldn't do the same for BB. Mid P12 level would be about ~$2.25

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I believe the difference in projected revenue between a winning-vs-losing football program here is a lot more than for basketball.

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Not even close at a school like Cal. Football is a good investment. Basketball with a $2.5 million HC and competitively paid assistants doesn't get you much above break even even with a mild to top tier team, and the program is a long way from that. Right now, in the Pac 12, I don't understand the economic model.

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I don't, either, Wife, although perhaps there are a few places where it makes sense (e.g., UofA). I think the economic model for investing in hoops has to be the effect on alumni donors. Having an embarrassing basketball team turns off a lot of Old Blues. For instance, CalBears80 is a multi-million dollar donor who is withholding his massive contributions until we have a respectable basketball team (just ask him). But, seriously, there are enough folks who are pissed at basketball, and if their pissed-off-ness translates into withholding money...

So I get that BB is a loser investment, but I'm thinking there would be an opportunity to get a higher ROI on another million to hire a decent head coach. I'm just throwing numbers out but if for example that extra million meant BB profit would go from negative $3m to negative $1m it would be well worth it.

1 and 17 SoCaltownie? The Pac-12 is weak as water this year. I still think 6 and 12 is possible. Anything more will be a bonus. If indeed Cal goes 1-17 in conference I will be beating the war drums along with you and CB80 in getting WJ fired.

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Some interesting posts here. My thoughts FWIW

1.The main difference between now and then is that Jim Knowlton has a great relationship with the donor community, whereas Mike Williams went out of his way to alienate all of us. Thus, if it is decided that we need to pony up $$ for a more meaningful coaching salary, Jim is more likely to be able to get it.

2. Kidd is not going to be coach. A) he has no experience coaching college B) he wasn't exactly a great success as an NBA coach, and most importantly, C) his baggage of domestic violence won't play at Cal. Can you imagine trying to recruit to a team that has women on campus calling for a boycott?

3. I'm not as sold on Turner as SCT, who has been pimping him for years. Turner has done some good things at UCR, but his record has been up and down, and no one has exactly beaten down the doors. There is no evidence that he can recruit at the P6 level, although he'd certainly be an upgrade.

4. I also don't see E-Muss as a reasonable choice either. He has built Nevada by taking almost exclusively transfers and questionable academic risks. Not sure how that flies at Cal. Plus, as others have pointed out, if he jumps it's either for another shot at the NBA or for some place like a top ACC or SEC school.

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Turner is at UCI. Has tougher academic requirements like us. Also, from the Monty coaching lineage.

Thanks, KAB. I frequently mistype those two. Not sure the Monty coaching tree is the kind of plus that say, the Bobby Knight tree was. (Jury's still out on Travis, for instance).

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So I get that BB is a loser investment, but I'm thinking there would be an opportunity to get a higher ROI on another million to hire a decent head coach. I'm just throwing numbers out but if for example that extra million meant BB profit would go from negative $3m to negative $1m it would be well worth it.

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No actually you miss the point. Cal basketball makes money. Not a lot, but some. But it doesn't make much difference if we win or lose. There won't be ROI there

Roi ....?..

oskidunker said:

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Roi ....?..

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He's referring to North Carolina. We won't be able to get Roi Williams to be our coach.

Should we add USF's coach to the short list? USF was pretty bad s couple of years ago and now they are 12-1 with victories over Cal and Stabfurd.

Go Bears!

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Should we add USF's coach to the short list? USF was pretty bad s couple of years ago and now they are 12-1 with victories over Cal and Stabfurd.

Go Bears!

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I'm definitely a whole lot more interested in how USF does this year than I've ever been. Big question is can he recruit at this level. I don't know what his history is.