I got a kick out of this Headline on Bear Insider ......

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SFCityBear
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"Offensive Woes Continue as the Bears Fall to ASU 80-66"

Offensive woes? We just gave up 80 points......again. The offense doesn't look so good sometimes, and it is young and has some problems. It doesn't have much post scoring, because it has no big talented post players. But while the offense is a problem, the DEFENSE is a DISASTER.

In the 10 games that Cal has lost, Cal has given up 83 points a game! How can you expect to beat teams, if you hand them more than 80 points? I didn't say that, Randy Bennett said it, when referring to his own team, St Marys, earlier in the season. Against Fresno, we gave up 95 points. Against UCLA, we gave up 98 points. We are giving teams a big gift, just by scheduling them.

In the 5 games that Cal has won, Cal has given up 72 points a game. Cal did manage to win two games in which we gave up 80 points, SDS and SJSU. There were 9 games in all where Cal gave up 80 points, and we won only 2 out of 9. Where Cal needs to be is to start holding teams below 70 points or at least be capable of that, and so far this season, we have held teams below 70 in just 3 games, Hampton, Santa Clara (which was missing two starters), and Cal Poly.

The most talented offensive team in Cal history, 1971, gave up 80 points a game, but averaged 84 points on offense. I think they had 16 wins and finished in 3rd place. The current offense is not capable of averaging 80 points a game. Therefore, I think Cal should focus 80-90% of their coaching, scheming, and practicing on defense, and very little else.

I prefer man defense, because it gives players more confidence and pride, if they can stop an offensive player, or keep him from doing what he wants to do. It depends on sticking with your man, instead of sticking with an area, and reacting to who ever enters the area. Man defense tries to keep the player from entering an area in the first place. Instead we play too much help defense, and too much zone, both of which do not focus on learning individual man defense techniques (required for any defense). With help or with zone, you are spending time chasing or trying to catch up to an offensive player, instead of being in proper defensive crouching position, already in between the player and the basket, the position with the best chance of stopping an offensive player. I only propose this because we are not successful and not improving, defensively, if the scores are any indication. Maybe some of you who have seen more games than I have will be able to point out how we are improving defensively. If I just look at box scores, I don't see it.

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You have just reduced Vanover's playing minutes to zero.
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Yeah, this offense is more productive than any I have seen in awhile, but the defense is one of the worst in D1. I'd say that we need to work a lot more on defense than offense.
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The defense is catastrophic. I am combing through the data. It may very well be the worst P5 defense since KenPom started running all these numbers.

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bearister said:

You have just reduced Vanover's playing minutes to zero.
I guess I should take it all back. I want to see him play more, not less.

Anyway, not to worry. Nobody pays attention to what I have to say, except for both my friends and my sparring partners here on the Bear Insider.
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SFCityBear said:

"Offensive Woes Continue as the Bears Fall to ASU 80-66"

Offensive woes? We just gave up 80 points......again. The offense doesn't look so good sometimes, and it is young and has some problems. It doesn't have much post scoring, because it has no big talented post players. But while the offense is a problem, the DEFENSE is a DISASTER.

In the 10 games that Cal has lost, Cal has given up 83 points a game! How can you expect to beat teams, if you hand them more than 80 points? I didn't say that, Randy Bennett said it, when referring to his own team, St Marys, earlier in the season. Against Fresno, we gave up 95 points. Against UCLA, we gave up 98 points. We are giving teams a big gift, just by scheduling them.

In the 5 games that Cal has won, Cal has given up 72 points a game. Cal did manage to win two games in which we gave up 80 points, SDS and SJSU. There were 9 games in all where Cal gave up 80 points, and we won only 2 out of 9. Where Cal needs to be is to start holding teams below 70 points or at least be capable of that, and so far this season, we have held teams below 70 in just 3 games, Hampton, Santa Clara (which was missing two starters), and Cal Poly.

The most talented offensive team in Cal history, 1971, gave up 80 points a game, but averaged 84 points on offense. I think they had 16 wins and finished in 3rd place. The current offense is not capable of averaging 80 points a game. Therefore, I think Cal should focus 80-90% of their coaching, scheming, and practicing on defense, and very little else.

I prefer man defense, because it gives players more confidence and pride, if they can stop an offensive player, or keep him from doing what he wants to do. It depends on sticking with your man, instead of sticking with an area, and reacting to who ever enters the area. Man defense tries to keep the player from entering an area in the first place. Instead we play too much help defense, and too much zone, both of which do not focus on learning individual man defense techniques (required for any defense). With help or with zone, you are spending time chasing or trying to catch up to an offensive player, instead of being in proper defensive crouching position, already in between the player and the basket, the position with the best chance of stopping an offensive player. I only propose this because we are not successful and not improving, defensively, if the scores are any indication. Maybe some of you who have seen more games than I have will be able to point out how we are improving defensively. If I just look at box scores, I don't see it.

SFCity,

You and I are from the Newell era. We know that CAL will not consistenlly be able to recruit 4-5 star players. This coach is clueless when he thinks CAL can play run and gun basketball with teams who have better althletes. In order to win, he has to find a way to limit opposition possessions, play a more deliberate game , stress man to man defense and limit turnovers to less than 10 a game.

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We did hold ASU to 4 points in the first 9 minutes of the game. If we could have kept that pace up for 40 minutes, it would have meant 18 points for the game.

Unfortunately, 76 points in the last 31 minutes (which would be 98 points over 40 minutes) was more like what we've been seeing this season. Wyking's explanation for the change seemed to be that ASU started hitting shots.
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EricBear said:

The defense is catastrophic. I am combing through the data. It may very well be the worst P5 defense since KenPom started running all these numbers.



I'm afraid # 335 is too deep of a hole to ever realize Don MacLean's prediction that our defense will improve by mid season and make the Bears a "tough out." I just applied for my Negabear card.
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Cal8285 said:

We did hold ASU to 4 points in the first 9 minutes of the game. If we could have kept that pace up for 40 minutes, it would have meant 18 points for the game.

Unfortunately, 76 points in the last 31 minutes (which would be 98 points over 40 minutes) was more like what we've been seeing this season. Wyking's explanation for the change seemed to be that ASU started hitting shots.
Although there is no evidence that WJ is a good defensive coach, I kind of agree with him about ASU starting to hit shots. In the first few minutes, they were missing some open looks and some bunnies down low.
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What would happen if our football offense played our basketball defense?
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fat_slice said:

What would happen if our football offense played our basketball defense?


I'm pretty sure Bradley would hospitalize our QB.
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Very good post SF
I agree

Regarding our "run and gun offense '
I don't see it. We run when given the opportunity (good when Paris runs the break. Not so much with McNeil), but in the half court we are very deliberate.

I don't really know because I haven't watched the other teams except when they played Cal, but my eyes say we might have one of the slowest paces in the conference, and certainly slower than last years Cal team
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According to KenPom we are one of the slowest offensive teams in the country, with Average Possession Length of 18.4 seconds. That's 293 in the country in offensive pace. Slowest in the PAC-12.

Next slowest is Oregon, with an APL of 18.2 (277). Then Utah at 18.0 (263).

Washington St. is the fastest team in the Conference with an APL of 15.0 (16th in the country).

Interestingly, but no surprise, Virginia is 350 in the country with an APL of 20.1 seconds. Villanova is slow too, with an APL of 19.3 (340 in D1).
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EricBear said:

According to KenPom we are one of the slowest offensive teams in the country, with Average Possession Length of 18.4 seconds. That's 293 in the country in offensive pace. Slowest in the PAC-12.

Next slowest is Oregon, with an APL of 18.2 (277). Then Utah at 18.0 (263).

Washington St. is the fastest team in the Conference with an APL of 15.0 (16th in the country).

Interestingly, but no surprise, Virginia is 350 in the country with an APL of 20.1 seconds. Villanova is slow too, with an APL of 19.3 (340 in D1).
I didn't expect 'one of the slowest teams in the country', but like I said, my eyes said we are one of the slowest teams in the Pac12

but what ever ... I just didn't think we are a 'run and gun' team
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EricBear said:

According to KenPom we are one of the slowest offensive teams in the country, with Average Possession Length of 18.4 seconds. That's 293 in the country in offensive pace. Slowest in the PAC-12.

Next slowest is Oregon, with an APL of 18.2 (277). Then Utah at 18.0 (263).

Washington St. is the fastest team in the Conference with an APL of 15.0 (16th in the country).

Interestingly, but no surprise, Virginia is 350 in the country with an APL of 20.1 seconds. Villanova is slow too, with an APL of 19.3 (340 in D1).
This seems to imply that slow is better, or more effective. Whatever works best for the personnel is what is best. I like slow better, because I don't like mistakes, and fast usually makes for more mistakes. In almost everything we humans do in life.
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HoopDreams said:

Very good post SF
I agree

Regarding our "run and gun offense '
I don't see it. We run when given the opportunity (good when Paris runs the break. Not so much with McNeil), but in the half court we are very deliberate.

I don't really know because I haven't watched the other teams except when they played Cal, but my eyes say we might have one of the slowest paces in the conference, and certainly slower than last years Cal team

Is our slowness due to one player dribbling around looking to create a shot fpr himself or is it due to passing the ball to other team members to create a shooting opportunity for an open man.
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Sonofoski said:

HoopDreams said:

Is our slowness due to one player dribbling around looking to create a shot fpr himself or is it due to passing the ball to other team members to create a shooting opportunity for an open man.

Mostly it's receive a pass, pump fake, penetrate about 3 feet, get cut off, pass to the nearest teammate on the perimeter, rinse & repeat until there is 10 seconds left on the shot clock.
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Civil Bear said:

Sonofoski said:

HoopDreams said:

Is our slowness due to one player dribbling around looking to create a shot fpr himself or is it due to passing the ball to other team members to create a shooting opportunity for an open man.

Mostly it's receive a pass, pump fake, penetrate about 3 feet, get cut off, pass to the nearest teammate on the perimeter, rinse & repeat until there is 10 seconds left on the shot clock.
Well, that sounds like a step up from a couple of Ben Braun's teams which let the clock run down to 2 or 3 seconds.
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SFCityBear said:

"Offensive Woes Continue as the Bears Fall to ASU 80-66"

Offensive woes? We just gave up 80 points......again. The offense doesn't look so good sometimes, and it is young and has some problems. It doesn't have much post scoring, because it has no big talented post players. But while the offense is a problem, the DEFENSE is a DISASTER.

In the 10 games that Cal has lost, Cal has given up 83 points a game! How can you expect to beat teams, if you hand them more than 80 points? I didn't say that, Randy Bennett said it, when referring to his own team, St Marys, earlier in the season. Against Fresno, we gave up 95 points. Against UCLA, we gave up 98 points. We are giving teams a big gift, just by scheduling them.

In the 5 games that Cal has won, Cal has given up 72 points a game. Cal did manage to win two games in which we gave up 80 points, SDS and SJSU. There were 9 games in all where Cal gave up 80 points, and we won only 2 out of 9. Where Cal needs to be is to start holding teams below 70 points or at least be capable of that, and so far this season, we have held teams below 70 in just 3 games, Hampton, Santa Clara (which was missing two starters), and Cal Poly.

The most talented offensive team in Cal history, 1971, gave up 80 points a game, but averaged 84 points on offense. I think they had 16 wins and finished in 3rd place. The current offense is not capable of averaging 80 points a game. Therefore, I think Cal should focus 80-90% of their coaching, scheming, and practicing on defense, and very little else.

I prefer man defense, because it gives players more confidence and pride, if they can stop an offensive player, or keep him from doing what he wants to do. It depends on sticking with your man, instead of sticking with an area, and reacting to who ever enters the area. Man defense tries to keep the player from entering an area in the first place. Instead we play too much help defense, and too much zone, both of which do not focus on learning individual man defense techniques (required for any defense). With help or with zone, you are spending time chasing or trying to catch up to an offensive player, instead of being in proper defensive crouching position, already in between the player and the basket, the position with the best chance of stopping an offensive player. I only propose this because we are not successful and not improving, defensively, if the scores are any indication. Maybe some of you who have seen more games than I have will be able to point out how we are improving defensively. If I just look at box scores, I don't see it.


I don't think even Wilcox or TDR could help this defense.
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Civil Bear said:

Sonofoski said:

HoopDreams said:

Is our slowness due to one player dribbling around looking to create a shot fpr himself or is it due to passing the ball to other team members to create a shooting opportunity for an open man.

Mostly it's receive a pass, pump fake, penetrate about 3 feet, get cut off, pass to the nearest teammate on the perimeter, rinse & repeat until there is 10 seconds left on the shot clock.

So, there is no set offense. The ball is just passed or dribbed around until someone thinks they have a shot. A player receives as pass, trys to penatrate a few steps, finds he is not open for a shot and passes the ball to another player who does the same thing. What an offense!!!!!

One thing this coach does not understand, offense can be come and go thing but good, solid, fundamental defense is there game after game.
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