Didn't see this being discussed, so who you got other than the Kidd?

Strykur said:

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Didn't see this being discussed, so who you got other than the Kidd?

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There's so many good coaches in this country. All depends on what we're willing to pay to determine what the potential pool would be. Which is why hiring Kidd (who is not a good coach) is a silly idea.

We could probably get someone wondering around on Telegraph.

Bear19 said:

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We could probably get someone wondering around on Telegraph.

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That is literally how we ended up with our current coach, but anyway.

Yogi Bear said:

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Strykur said:

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Didn't see this being discussed, so who you got other than the Kidd?

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There's so many good coaches in this country. All depends on what we're willing to pay to determine what the potential pool would be. Which is why hiring Kidd (who is not a good coach) is a silly idea.

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What is the Pac 12 average these days? It's not "realistic" (referencing thread title) to think we're going to pay more than that. And probably something less. Who's gonna want to come here for 1.5-2 million a year? Well, I guess that's part of the AD's job, to attract qualified candidates.

Kyle Smith or Travis Decuire?

Big C said:

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Yogi Bear said:

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Strykur said:

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Didn't see this being discussed, so who you got other than the Kidd?

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There's so many good coaches in this country. All depends on what we're willing to pay to determine what the potential pool would be. Which is why hiring Kidd (who is not a good coach) is a silly idea.

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What is the Pac 12 average these days? It's not "realistic" (referencing thread title) to think we're going to pay more than that. And probably something less. Who's gonna want to come here for 1.5-2 million a year? Well, I guess that's part of the AD's job, to attract qualified candidates.

Kyle Smith or Travis Decuire?

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I'm honestly a little surprised at how little college basketball coaches make compared to college football coaches. Anyway....

Alford 2.6
Hurley 2.1
Miller 4.05
Boyle 1.4 (only 400K separates him and Wyking SMH)
Larry K. (not spelling that) 3.4
Hopkins 1.8
Kent 1.4
Altman 2.7
Tinkle 1.96
The Guy MW Hired 1.14

Average 2.25

I'll be very surprised if we clear 1.4 on the new guy.

Sean Marks makes 2.2 in Brooklyn...

Turner makes less than .5 down at UCI. The Anteaters 21 and 5 and leading their conference.

socaltownie said:

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Turner makes less than .5 down at UCI. The Anteaters 21 and 5 and leading their conference.

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Any problem here? Being in the UC system already, he must understand the academics real well. He has been successful and is currently. This may be more a "Why not?" instead of a "Why?"

Took over a program in the bottom of the Big West in 2010. First two seasons under .500....None under .500 since in last seven years. Worked at 'furd as an assistant in early century, with Warriors as a player development coach. Seems like a good background in coaching coupled with UC experience and limitations. 48 years old.

Yogi Bear said:

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Big C said:

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Yogi Bear said:

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Strykur said:

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Didn't see this being discussed, so who you got other than the Kidd?

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There's so many good coaches in this country. All depends on what we're willing to pay to determine what the potential pool would be. Which is why hiring Kidd (who is not a good coach) is a silly idea.

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What is the Pac 12 average these days? It's not "realistic" (referencing thread title) to think we're going to pay more than that. And probably something less. Who's gonna want to come here for 1.5-2 million a year? Well, I guess that's part of the AD's job, to attract qualified candidates.

Kyle Smith or Travis Decuire?

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I'm honestly a little surprised at how little college basketball coaches make compared to college football coaches. Anyway....

Alford 2.6
Hurley 2.1
Miller 4.05
Boyle 1.4 (only 400K separates him and Wyking SMH)
Larry K. (not spelling that) 3.4
Hopkins 1.8
Kent 1.4
Altman 2.7
Tinkle 1.96
The Guy MW Hired 1.14

Average 2.25

I'll be very surprised if we clear 1.4 on the new guy.

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I actually think they make way too much relative to football coaches. A head football coach is effectively running a 100 person company whereas a basketball coach is running a 20 person company.

OdontoBear66 said:

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socaltownie said:

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Turner makes less than .5 down at UCI. The Anteaters 21 and 5 and leading their conference.

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Any problem here? Being in the UC system already, he must understand the academics real well. He has been successful and is currently. This may be more a "Why not?" instead of a "Why?"

Took over a program in the bottom of the Big West in 2010. First two seasons under .500....None under .500 since in last seven years. Worked at 'furd as an assistant in early century, with Warriors as a player development coach. Seems like a good background in coaching coupled with UC experience and limitations. 48 years old.

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Wasn't Turner considered last time? Or maybe his name was just bandied about on this Board?

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OdontoBear66 said:

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socaltownie said:

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Turner makes less than .5 down at UCI. The Anteaters 21 and 5 and leading their conference.

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Any problem here? Being in the UC system already, he must understand the academics real well. He has been successful and is currently. This may be more a "Why not?" instead of a "Why?"

Took over a program in the bottom of the Big West in 2010. First two seasons under .500....None under .500 since in last seven years. Worked at 'furd as an assistant in early century, with Warriors as a player development coach. Seems like a good background in coaching coupled with UC experience and limitations. 48 years old.

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Wasn't Turner considered last time? Or maybe his name was just bandied about on this Board?

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You are right ncbears. As I typed my post I realized my ideas were not original at all. He was earlier in his expericnce at UCI then, now has more paper on the wall. Only bad year was 18-17 of the last seven. I would take that at Cal.

Travis DeCuire would have to be re-considered. He just won his 100th game at Montana, and he's been here before under MM. He is a very "realistic" candidate knowing donors and the Cal experience. He's going to win the Big Sky conference for a 3rd time, (he finished 2nd and 5th the other two years). His worst year was a rebuilding year of 16-16. He was on the only Cal coaching staff to win a Pac-12 regular season title in the last 60 years.

Like it or not, he fits the profile.
https://gogriz.com/coaches.aspx?rc=265&path=mbball


http://406mtsports.com/college/big-sky-conference/university-of-montana/well-into-fifth-year-as-head-coach-montana-s-travis/article_45a8e674-2303-5202-b9e0-79ff46c842a8.html

Alkiadt said:

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Travis DeCuire would have to be re-considered. He just won his 100th game at Montana, and he's been here before under MM. He is a very "realistic" candidate knowing donors and the Cal experience. He's going to win the Big Sky conference for a 3rd time, (he finished 2nd and 5th the other two years). His worst year was a rebuilding year of 16-16. He was on the only Cal coaching staff to win a Pac-12 regular season title in the last 60 years.

Like it or not, he fits the profile.
https://gogriz.com/coaches.aspx?rc=265&path=mbball


http://406mtsports.com/college/big-sky-conference/university-of-montana/well-into-fifth-year-as-head-coach-montana-s-travis/article_45a8e674-2303-5202-b9e0-79ff46c842a8.html

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So, at least two good prospects....

Alkiadt said:

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Travis DeCuire would have to be re-considered. He just won his 100th game at Montana, and he's been here before under MM. He is a very "realistic" candidate knowing donors and the Cal experience. He's going to win the Big Sky conference for a 3rd time, (he finished 2nd and 5th the other two years). His worst year was a rebuilding year of 16-16. He was on the only Cal coaching staff to win a Pac-12 regular season title in the last 60 years.

Like it or not, he fits the profile.
https://gogriz.com/coaches.aspx?rc=265&path=mbball


http://406mtsports.com/college/big-sky-conference/university-of-montana/well-into-fifth-year-as-head-coach-montana-s-travis/article_45a8e674-2303-5202-b9e0-79ff46c842a8.html

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I certainly don't dislike it. I like that he would come in with a unique understanding of our facilities challenges. He won't be shocked when the players have to wait around for an open court to get some shots in on their free time.

OdontoBear66 said:

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Alkiadt said:

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Travis DeCuire would have to be re-considered. He just won his 100th game at Montana, and he's been here before under MM. He is a very "realistic" candidate knowing donors and the Cal experience. He's going to win the Big Sky conference for a 3rd time, (he finished 2nd and 5th the other two years). His worst year was a rebuilding year of 16-16. He was on the only Cal coaching staff to win a Pac-12 regular season title in the last 60 years.

Like it or not, he fits the profile.
https://gogriz.com/coaches.aspx?rc=265&path=mbball


http://406mtsports.com/college/big-sky-conference/university-of-montana/well-into-fifth-year-as-head-coach-montana-s-travis/article_45a8e674-2303-5202-b9e0-79ff46c842a8.html

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So, at least two good prospects....

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Questions about Turner would be how well could he recruit and does he do well with players that have higher basketball aspirations than guys at Irvine do?

A question about DeCuire would be, does he want the job. He's at his Alma Mater right now. Does he harbor bad feelings about getting passed over here the other time? How much did he like being at Cal?

Certainly, our AD is in the process of ferreting out potential candidates that we have never heard of. I hope he's good at that.

Even if we pay the next coach $1.4m, that is about 1.1 million reasons for DeCuire to leave Montana....

Besides Kyle Smith and Randy Bennett

Travis Decuire (Montana)
Russell Turner (UC Irvine)
Eran Ganot (Hawaii) - may have a Oz pipeline from his days at St. Mary's (John Montgomery is assistant)
Joe Pasternack (currently 17-6 at UCSB)
Bobby Braswell (assistant at LB former CSUN head coach a defensive guru famous for his 1-3-1 D - made two NCAAs despite having a high school budget)

Again, What about Dennis Gates?, (Florida State asst.)

Referring to Gates? Agreed, if he's never been a collegiate Head Coach at any level, then no way. He also hasn't worked out here in a long time, either.

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No assistants. Need head coach with a proven plan on how he can improve both our offense and defense and evidence that he has done it before.

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Agreed I think the new coach has a potential Tedford situation where he has a decent cupboard to work with but the coach needs to maximize it. We need turnkey head coach.

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Referring to Gates? Agreed, if he's never been a collegiate Head Coach at any level, then no way. He also hasn't worked out here in a long time, either.

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In general, I agree, although among assistants, Gates probably has the best resume--has attended a couple of high level programs for grooming head coaches.

Pretty sure that Pasternak is not viable. Besides the lingering bad taste about "the kick," I don't believe he's out of the woods in terms of the Arizona investigation.

Otherwise, the list above is pretty solid (although very unlikely that Bennett would come).

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Big C said:

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Referring to Gates? Agreed, if he's never been a collegiate Head Coach at any level, then no way. He also hasn't worked out here in a long time, either.

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In general, I agree, although among assistants, Gates probably has the best resume--has attended a couple of high level programs for grooming head coaches.

Pretty sure that Pasternak is not viable. Besides the lingering bad taste about "the kick," I don't believe he's out of the woods in terms of the Arizona investigation.

Otherwise, the list above is pretty solid (although very unlikely that Bennett would come).

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If Orel Hershiser can pitch for the Giants, the kicker can coach for the Bears.

Don't think Ganot or Braswell have enough good seasons on the resume. Neither having impressive seasons this year.

Craig Smith (Utah St), T.J. Otzelberger (South Dakota St), and Justin Hutson (first year at Fresno St) are all having good years. Would include Chris Jans (New Mexico St) with those guys, but getting fired from Bowling Green for a drinking incident probably rules him out. But they all have the same culture/fit questions with Cal as would any other mid-major guy who has spent his entire playing and coaching career in the Midwest, South, or East.

smokeyrover said:

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Don't think Ganot or Braswell have enough good seasons on the resume. Neither having impressive seasons this year.

Craig Smith (Utah St), T.J. Otzelberger (South Dakota St), and Justin Hutson (first year at Fresno St) are all having good years. Would include Chris Jans (New Mexico St) with those guys, but getting fired from Bowling Green for a drinking incident probably rules him out. But they all have the same culture/fit questions with Cal as would any other mid-major guy who has spent his entire playing and coaching career in the Midwest, South, or East.

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And this is why DeCuire is a fit.
He didn't get the job the first time, and lost out to Martin. He hadn't been a Head Coach, and I'm sure that played into it. They fell in love with Martin (although SB wanted Travis at the time...) and he had been a Head Coach.

DeCuire has that experience now, at a mid major, with 3 league titles in 5 years. He's proven he can run a program, and win. He has been at Cal previously, so he understands what he'd be getting into.
They could likely afford him too....
What's not to like?

That the AD is not likely to pick anyone we suggest. It has never happened before.

Fire up the SST and it will be announced, " We are conducting a nationwide search and have hired a very expensive search firm to tell us who to pick"

I see the pilot with binoculars flying over Montana, but it is cloudy. So he flys on

How about Mike Dunlap of Loyola M? He hasn't had much success lately and is getting up in age, but was such a hot coaching candidate five years ago.

OneTopOneChickenApple said:

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How about Mike Dunlap of Loyola M? He hasn't had much success lately and is getting up in age, but was such a hot coaching candidate five years ago.

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Why would we hire a coach who isn't having success?
How about not.

That isn't true. There were a LOT of Wilcox fans on the football board when Sonny got canned.

I would be stunned if Travis and Turner both don't interview. I will be very very sad if we go in a lesser direction.

Talking basketball, not football,

oskidunker said:

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Talking basketball, not football,

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I was not tuned in (nor was the interweb so active to provide "chatter" during the Braun era) but both Martin and Monty were unicorn kinds of hires - Monty because who knew he still wanted to coach (but only in the Bay Area) and Martin because of the outright racism of the vols fan base.

Irvine's top 6 scorers include 1 freshman and 5 juniors. I think Turner will want to stay with those guys through one more season. We might want to start tampering with him now, with an eye toward bringing him on for 2020-21. That's when our roster will be most attractive to an incoming coach.

Irvine is very strong in two of our weakest areas:
Opponent's shooting %: #7 38.2% (Cal is #351 50.2%)
Rebounds per game: #22 39.92 (Cal is #349 28.33)


Montana's top 4 players in MPG, and 3 of the top 4 in PPG are seniors. DeCuire might be more inclined to jump ship after this season.

Their top player is Ahmaad Rorie, remember him? Chose Oregon over Cal, so we got Tyrone Wallace instead. Rorie then got kicked out of Oregon as part of some gang rape thing, if I recall correctly.


I'd rather wait a year for Turner, giving Wyking a chance to prove his process is working.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Turner_(basketball)

Mike Montgomery Coaching Tree

• Barry Collier (Nebraska, Butler)
• Travis DeCuire (Montana)
• Trent Johnson (TCU, LSU, Stanford, Nevada)
• Ernie Kent (Washington State, Oregon, Saint Mary's)
• Larry Krystkowiak (Utah, Milwaukee Bucks, Montana)
• Matt Lottich (Valparaiso)
• Stew Morrill (Utah State, Colorado State, Montana)
• Keith Smart (Sacramento Kings, Golden State Warriors)
• Terry Stotts (Portland Trail Blazers, Milwaukee Bucks)
• Blaine Taylor (Old Dominion, Montana)
• Wayne Tinkle (Oregon State, Montana)
• Russell Turner (UC Irvine)
• Willis Wilson (Texas A&M-Corpus Christi, Rice)

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Irvine's top 6 scorers include 1 freshman and 5 juniors. I think Turner will want to stay with those guys through one more season. We might want to start tampering with him now, with an eye toward bringing him on for 2020-21. That's when our roster will be most attractive to an incoming coach.

Irvine is very strong in two of our weakest areas:
Opponent's shooting %: #7 38.2% (Cal is #351 50.2%)
Rebounds per game: #22 39.92 (Cal is #349 28.33)


Montana's top 4 players in MPG, and 3 of the top 4 in PPG are seniors. DeCuire might be more inclined to jump ship after this season.

Their top player is Ahmaad Rorie, remember him? Chose Oregon over Cal, so we got Tyrone Wallace instead. Rorie then got kicked out of Oregon as part of some gang rape thing, if I recall correctly.


I'd rather wait a year for Turner, giving Wyking a chance to prove his process is working.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Turner_(basketball)

Mike Montgomery Coaching Tree

• Barry Collier (Nebraska, Butler)
• Travis DeCuire (Montana)
• Trent Johnson (TCU, LSU, Stanford, Nevada)
• Ernie Kent (Washington State, Oregon, Saint Mary's)
• Larry Krystkowiak (Utah, Milwaukee Bucks, Montana)
• Matt Lottich (Valparaiso)
• Stew Morrill (Utah State, Colorado State, Montana)
• Keith Smart (Sacramento Kings, Golden State Warriors)
• Terry Stotts (Portland Trail Blazers, Milwaukee Bucks)
• Blaine Taylor (Old Dominion, Montana)
• Wayne Tinkle (Oregon State, Montana)
• Russell Turner (UC Irvine)
• Willis Wilson (Texas A&M-Corpus Christi, Rice)

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You recalled incorrectly; That was Dominic Artis from Salesian in Richmond, not Ahmad Rorie.
Rorie decommitted from Cal after Travis didn't get the Cal job. He left Oregon after his freshman year to play for Travis at Montana as Oregon had Tyler Dorsey coming in, and Dylan Ennis also.

I think Kyle Smith at USF is a pretty solid coach. Was at Columbia before USF and got them above 500 which is no small feat even in the Ivy.

Having him already be in the Bay is also good.