Those are three good coaches.

Kidd would bring the buzz, the excitement back for sure, but yeah, can he teach somebody something that just came naturally to him? I mean, would Mozart be the best piano teacher for my 6 yr old daughter? (Well, no, since he's dead, but you get the idea.)

Kidd would have to "know what he doesn't know" and be willing to hire a good staff and trust them. Otherwise, he risks becoming Joe Kapp.

Would love to hear Eric or Dan chime in on this issue. Those guys who know Kidd love him and feel he would be an excellent coach for Cal from what I have heard...

KoreAmBear said:

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That's why I'm a little leery of Jason even though I'm not against it (could be uptick in recuruiting).

Russell Turner, Travis Decuire and Kyle Smith are my favorites.

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These three are most excellent.
There are supposedly six (6) PoI at this time.

Big C said:

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Kidd would bring the buzz, the excitement back for sure, but yeah, can he teach somebody something that just came naturally to him? I mean, would Mozart be the best piano teacher for my 6 yr old daughter? (Well, no, since he's dead, but you get the idea.)

Kidd would have to "know what he doesn't know" and be willing to hire a good staff and trust them. Otherwise, he risks becoming Joe Kapp.

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Kidd has a track record coaching in the NBA. Even though the college and pro games and player's attitudes are very different, this should not be a hard question to research. He did well for awhile, but then he was replaced. What were his strengths, and where did things go wrong?

But isn't Jason largely responsible for the development of Giannis? Seems like that turned out pretty well ;-)

KoreAmBear said:

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That's why I'm a little leery of Jason even though I'm not against it (could be uptick in recuruiting).

Russell Turner, Travis Decuire and Kyle Smith are my favorites.

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All three seem like products of having senior classes. Smith in particular. Decuire less so. I wonder where Smith would be without Frankie Ferrari?

Eran Ganot

Or just to f{k w furd hire jonny Dawkins

Hire Jason!

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Big C said:

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Kidd would bring the buzz, the excitement back for sure, but yeah, can he teach somebody something that just came naturally to him? I mean, would Mozart be the best piano teacher for my 6 yr old daughter? (Well, no, since he's dead, but you get the idea.)

Kidd would have to "know what he doesn't know" and be willing to hire a good staff and trust them. Otherwise, he risks becoming Joe Kapp.

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He is a natural leader. I think the key is having good staff to help do the teaching. Recruiting is the lifeblood of college sports and Kidd would be a great recruiter.

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Can I hit the star button five times?

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KoreAmBear said:

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That's why I'm a little leery of Jason even though I'm not against it (could be uptick in recuruiting).

Russell Turner, Travis Decuire and Kyle Smith are my favorites.

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The program needs to be stabilized. Cal shouldn't be making high risk-high reward hires. Competent leadership and a return to competitiveness are what's needed, not splashy hires. JK just doesn't make sense.

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Hard to know about Kidd coaching at a college, so I tend to agree...

Certainly his reputation is much greater than others we may hire, but his reputation was built on his playing. No one is enthusiastic about him because of his few years of coaching in the NBA.

socaltownie said:

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But isn't Jason largely responsible for the development of Giannis? Seems like that turned out pretty well ;-)

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That's an interesting way to put it.

Hard for me to imagine that Kidd would be given serious consideration at Cal. He fails to check way too many boxes.

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socaltownie said:

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But isn't Jason largely responsible for the development of Giannis? Seems like that turned out pretty well ;-)

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That's an interesting way to put it.

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Giannis's game is unique. Durant pointed out the guy's unique abilities long before they came to fruition in the last year.

Why assume Jason was responsible?

Did either Mark Jackson or Steve Kerr make Steph what he is today? Who made LeBron LeBron?

Generally, great players make themselves great players.

I agree ducky....early this last season he was looking like a viable candidate but then in the second half of the season, his team fell flat....that took me away from his bandwagon....He's a decent coach but I believe Cal can do better....

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X and O's coach and 4 year players as our recipe for success.

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The college game has changed and is continuing to change, especially in the Power Conferences. With early departure and easy transfer, you need a coach that can not only recruit but can also build a positive culture to retain players. Someplace players WANT to be. Where they are improving and it is fun.

Every year there are examples of well coached senior laden teams that do well from a minor conference, usually somewhere in a rural part of the US. The next year there will be another. Not the same team, because their seniors will have graduated. There are literally hundreds of teams out there and odds are a couple will be good in any given year. Hundreds will be bad, but we don't see them. We only see the few that make the NCAA tournament each year.

In order for Cal to compete at the highest level we need to be able to recruit a mix of 4 year players and players that are talented enough that they may have the opportunity to leave early to play professionally. We need to lock down Bay Area talent, be a force in LA and be a magnet for cerebral players like Jaylen Brown and Shareef Abdur-Rahim. Yes, the coach and his staff also need to be able to teach skills and develop effective strategies to develop and maximize the talent, but a strategy of purposely recruiting lesser talent (as opposed to those who are forced to adopt that strategy) is playing with one arm tied behind your back

Plus, there is the revenue side to consider. While there is a core group of fans of a certain age that long for 1950's basketball, the times we filled the stands, when we had to play national powers at the Coliseum was when we had future NBA players, even a Hall of Famer, on the team.

Agreed mostly. But look at Harvard almost taking out #2 seed NC State and Hawaii taking us out a few years ago. Unless we can get 1% players like Zion, I prefer players sticking around and improving within a system and building team chemistry over a couple of NBA caliber one and dones.

+1 Turn key X's and O's...and a system complimentary to the talent level Cal gets, and can win in conference. I like defense because it can keep you in the game...but still have to be able to draw up an offensive play and have it work with 3 seconds left.

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Agreed mostly. But look at Harvard almost taking out #2 seed NC State and Hawaii taking us out a few years ago. Unless we can get 1% players like Zion, I prefer players sticking around and improving within a system and building team chemistry over a couple of NBA caliber one and dones.

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LOL, almost taking out a #2 seed in the NIT would look pretty good right now, but I hope we can aspire to be better than that.

socaltownie said:

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But isn't Jason largely responsible for the development of Giannis? Seems like that turned out pretty well ;-)

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Tim Grgurich was Jason's player development coach and one of the best. We're friends of the the family.

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KoreAmBear said:

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That's why I'm a little leery of Jason even though I'm not against it (could be uptick in recuruiting).

Russell Turner, Travis Decuire and Kyle Smith are my favorites.

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These three are most excellent.
There are supposedly six (6) PoI at this time.

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smith is not one of them per BI. OTOH, they said Jones was being retained.

Count me in as wanting Jason.

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oskirules said:

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Agreed mostly. But look at Harvard almost taking out #2 seed NC State and Hawaii taking us out a few years ago. Unless we can get 1% players like Zion, I prefer players sticking around and improving within a system and building team chemistry over a couple of NBA caliber one and dones.

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LOL, almost taking out a #2 seed in the NIT would look pretty good right now, but I hope we can aspire to be better than that.

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NIT basketball baby!

oskirules said:

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Agreed mostly. But look at Harvard almost taking out #2 seed NC State and Hawaii taking us out a few years ago. Unless we can get 1% players like Zion, I prefer players sticking around and improving within a system and building team chemistry over a couple of NBA caliber one and dones.

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Except Harvard would not have made the NCAA Tournament out of the PAC-12.

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KoreAmBear said:

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That's why I'm a little leery of Jason even though I'm not against it (could be uptick in recuruiting).

Russell Turner, Travis Decuire and Kyle Smith are my favorites.

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The program needs to be stabilized. Cal shouldn't be making high risk-high reward hires. Competent leadership and a return to competitiveness are what's needed, not splashy hires. JK just doesn't make sense.

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Funny, I think the complete opposite. Cal can't play this safe. We need energy to pull us out of the abyss.

If we hire Kidd there is a decent chance it wouldn't work, but it can't be worse than where we are now.

We're in the shape we're in because Mike Williams took an unexpected and unwarranted risk and hired someone who had no business even being considered.

The jury is out still on Patrick Ewing (GTown) and Chris Mullin (SJU), but hiring Kidd would basically be in the same vein as those hires. If Kidd is in for the long haul, I'd be more receptive to his candidacy.

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Northside91 said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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That's why I'm a little leery of Jason even though I'm not against it (could be uptick in recuruiting).

Russell Turner, Travis Decuire and Kyle Smith are my favorites.

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The program needs to be stabilized. Cal shouldn't be making high risk-high reward hires. Competent leadership and a return to competitiveness are what's needed, not splashy hires. JK just doesn't make sense.

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Funny, I think the complete opposite. Cal can't play this safe. We need energy to pull us out of the abyss.

If we hire Kidd there is a decent chance it wouldn't work, but it can't be worse than where we are now.

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Big C said:

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Kidd would bring the buzz, the excitement back for sure, but yeah, can he teach somebody something that just came naturally to him? I mean, would Mozart be the best piano teacher for my 6 yr old daughter? (Well, no, since he's dead, but you get the idea.)

Kidd would have to "know what he doesn't know" and be willing to hire a good staff and trust them. Otherwise, he risks becoming Joe Kapp.

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He is a natural leader. I think the key is having good staff to help do the teaching. Recruiting is the lifeblood of college sports and Kidd would be a great recruiter.

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Is he a natural leader? I remember him as a quiet, "lead by example" type, which is another way of saying he was a great player but not a natural leader.

Your second sentence - he needs a good staff to teach the team? I want a HC who can himself teach. All the good coaches know their stuff and can communicate.

And your third sentence - what evidence do we have the Jason would be a great recruiter? I don't remember Jason as a particularly charismatic figure. Recruiting success takes the ability to personally connect with parents and youngsters, a certain personality type, and a lot of hustle. Does Jason have those qualities?

Then there is the domestic abuse and college degree issues.

I loved Jason as a player but color me skeptical.

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https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nba/bucks/2017/04/26/kidds-composed-style-resonates-bucks-players/100900608/

Query: Why in God's name are the Lakers reportedly considering Jason Kidd? Woj is certainly the most reliable reporter in the business, but I gotta believe MeBron is vouching for Kidd behind the scenes because...otherwise it makes ZERO sense.

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Hard for me to imagine that Kidd would be given serious consideration at Cal. He fails to check way too many boxes.

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LMFAO!

Nothing amazes me more than the deluded sanctimony of our fan base.

A two-time NBA HC, a 1st ballot HOF player, a world champion, and an alum -- arguably the most notable and successful Cal athlete ever -- doesn't "check enough boxes" at a university coming off it's worst season in history. In what galaxy would Cal EVER be in the conversation for a candidate like this??? Kidd, regardless of any player development and X's-O's flaws would give Cal instant national visibility.

I bet the people echoing these silly sentiments thought Musselman wasn't a good fit either, who also was a former NBA HC and is an elite player development/X's-O's guy, an absolute "coach rat", because he had a DUI 100 years ago a hair above the legal limit.

As many say here, this is why we can't have nice things. If reports are true and the AD is eyeing JKidd, whether it's because of donors or not, they deserve kudos, for once.

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Instant national visibility is the goal? We're visible for sure, we visibly stunk it up for 2 years.