Not the most reliable source (to put it mildly), but...

MSaviolives said:

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Not the most reliable source (to put it mildly), but...

Funny you should ask. When I saw the news about McNeill transferring he came to mind (didn't he transfer because he wanted to be a point guard?) but I couldn't recall his name.

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59bear said:

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MSaviolives said:

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Not the most reliable source (to put it mildly), but...

Funny you should ask. When I saw the news about McNeill transferring he came to mind (didn't he transfer because he wanted to be a point guard?) but I couldn't recall his name.

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As for the Frankilns, maybe it is true that the apple does not fall far from the tree. I have trouble saying the names Darius McNeill and Gary Franklin in the same breath. Darius was billed as a combo guard, pretty good shooter, but not so good a point guard. He did what was asked by Wyking Jones - to play most of the team's minutes at point guard, and be the team's main 3-point shooter - which he did to the best of his ability, knowing full well that Jones had signed a transfer point guard, Paris Austin to take his place the following year. In the second year, Jones was asked to switch to the off guard spot. He did that. Now he transfers, saying that he wants to be close to his mother, who is having health problems.

Gary Franklin Jr. was another combo guard. He was badly injured in high school, an elbow, I think, playing football. He had an unorthodox shot, maybe due to the arm injury, and shot poorly at Cal, 30% overall, 29% on threes. He started for Cal, played all 12 pre-conference games, played the first conference game vs Stanford, and abruptly transferred, mid season, leaving Cal to face the rest of the season without him, conceivably letting down teammates, coach, and fans. He played out his career at Baylor. Fortunately Brandon Smith rose to the occasion, and took over at point guard for Cal, and had his best season. It is hard to judge a player's character when recruiting him, and who could have predicted that Franklin would desert his teammates mid-season for another school? Still, I never understood what Montgomery saw in the guy as a basketball player, he was below average.

McNeill is doing no such thing, as he is leaving for family reasons. I wish him all the best.

So ... is there going to be a reckoning for Dana Altman and The doughnut boy in Tucson ????

Heads should roll ....

calgldnbear said:

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So ... is there going to be a reckoning for Dana Altman and The doughnut boy in Tucson ????

Heads should roll ....

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Dana seems to be the Teflon Man. Same with Sean Miller, but he should be on the way out just from sucking alone.

Of course Bol Bol got cash. There's no way Oregon keeps going like this without under the table stuff happening.

touchdownbears43 said:

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Of course Bol Bol got cash. There's no way Oregon keeps going like this without under the table stuff happening.

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Isn't he Manute's son? I feel for the kids living in poverty that take the under the table cash, but there's no excuse if you're middle class or better.

SFCityBear said:

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59bear said:

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MSaviolives said:

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Not the most reliable source (to put it mildly), but...

Funny you should ask. When I saw the news about McNeill transferring he came to mind (didn't he transfer because he wanted to be a point guard?) but I couldn't recall his name.

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As for the Frankilns, maybe it is true that the apple does not fall far from the tree. I have trouble saying the names Darius McNeill and Gary Franklin in the same breath. Darius was billed as a combo guard, pretty good shooter, but not so good a point guard. He did what was asked by Wyking Jones - to play most of the team's minutes at point guard, and be the team's main 3-point shooter - which he did to the best of his ability, knowing full well that Jones had signed a transfer point guard, Paris Austin to take his place the following year. In the second year, Jones was asked to switch to the off guard spot. He did that. Now he transfers, saying that he wants to be close to his mother, who is having health problems.

Gary Franklin Jr. was another combo guard. He was badly injured in high school, an elbow, I think, playing football. He had an unorthodox shot, maybe due to the arm injury, and shot poorly at Cal, 30% overall, 29% on threes. He started for Cal, played all 12 pre-conference games, played the first conference game vs Stanford, and abruptly transferred, mid season, leaving Cal to face the rest of the season without him, conceivably letting down teammates, coach, and fans. He played out his career at Baylor. Fortunately Brandon Smith rose to the occasion, and took over at point guard for Cal, and had his best season. It is hard to judge a player's character when recruiting him, and who could have predicted that Franklin would desert his teammates mid-season for another school? Still, I never understood what Montgomery saw in the guy as a basketball player, he was below average.

McNeill is doing no such thing, as he is leaving for family reasons. I wish him all the best.

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I wasn't aware of the family situation but I thought I'd seen something to the effect that he wanted to play PG. I did not intend to equate McNeill with Franklin beyond a stated preference to play PG. I agree McNeill gave Cal an honest effort and hope the change of scene works out well for him.

PtownBear1 said:

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touchdownbears43 said:

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Of course Bol Bol got cash. There's no way Oregon keeps going like this without under the table stuff happening.

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Isn't he Manute's son? I feel for the kids living in poverty that take the under the table cash, but there's no excuse if you're middle class or better.

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Manute went broke trying to help people in the Sudan and then dealing with health problems. At least that was what the media said.

https://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Fellow-Warriors-reach-out-to-aid-a-gregarious-2723079.php

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SFCityBear said:

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59bear said:

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MSaviolives said:

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Not the most reliable source (to put it mildly), but...

Funny you should ask. When I saw the news about McNeill transferring he came to mind (didn't he transfer because he wanted to be a point guard?) but I couldn't recall his name.

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As for the Frankilns, maybe it is true that the apple does not fall far from the tree. I have trouble saying the names Darius McNeill and Gary Franklin in the same breath. Darius was billed as a combo guard, pretty good shooter, but not so good a point guard. He did what was asked by Wyking Jones - to play most of the team's minutes at point guard, and be the team's main 3-point shooter - which he did to the best of his ability, knowing full well that Jones had signed a transfer point guard, Paris Austin to take his place the following year. In the second year, Jones was asked to switch to the off guard spot. He did that. Now he transfers, saying that he wants to be close to his mother, who is having health problems.

Gary Franklin Jr. was another combo guard. He was badly injured in high school, an elbow, I think, playing football. He had an unorthodox shot, maybe due to the arm injury, and shot poorly at Cal, 30% overall, 29% on threes. He started for Cal, played all 12 pre-conference games, played the first conference game vs Stanford, and abruptly transferred, mid season, leaving Cal to face the rest of the season without him, conceivably letting down teammates, coach, and fans. He played out his career at Baylor. Fortunately Brandon Smith rose to the occasion, and took over at point guard for Cal, and had his best season. It is hard to judge a player's character when recruiting him, and who could have predicted that Franklin would desert his teammates mid-season for another school? Still, I never understood what Montgomery saw in the guy as a basketball player, he was below average.

McNeill is doing no such thing, as he is leaving for family reasons. I wish him all the best.

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I wasn't aware of the family situation but I thought I'd seen something to the effect that he wanted to play PG. I did not intend to equate McNeill with Franklin beyond a stated preference to play PG. I agree McNeill gave Cal an honest effort and hope the change of scene works out well for him.

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I wasn't aware of the family situation either, if you are referring to the Franklins, Sr and Jr. We learn a lot of obscure facts on the Bear Insider just by reading the posts. I didn't mean to imply that you were equating McNeill and Franklin on anything other than a preference to play PG. I think you are right about him wanting that. Unfortunately for Franklin, Jorge was better at it. When Franklin left, the only option was to play Smith, a true point guard, and Jorge had to play the SG. Anyway, when I think of Franklin, all I can remember is him leaving mid season, creating problems for the team. It probably worked out for the best for all concerned, but I had never seen a Cal player quit the team in the middle of a season before, and I thought that showed pretty weak character, even in a young man, and I couldn't resist mentioning it. What a difference in players like Smith and Jorge, especially Jorge, as he would be happy playing any one of the 5 positions, just as long as he would get to play, he loved the game so much.