Monty weighs in on Cal basketball coaching search

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by Jeff Faraudo

DeCuire spent six seasons with Montgomery at Cal but was bypassed as his successor in 2014

Mike Montgomery pushed for Travis DeCuire to be named his successor as Cal basketball coach five years ago, and he continues to endorse the candidacy of his former assistant.

DeCuire didn't get the call in 2014. Cal hired Cuonzo Martin from Tennessee, and when Martin left for Missouri two years ago, the Bears promoted assistant Wyking Jones.

Cal played in one NCAA tournament over that five-year period, and the program cratered the past two seasons under Jones, going 16-47. Jones was relieved of his duties last Sunday and first-year athletic director Jim Knowlton has begun the search for a replacement.

Three names have resurfaced that were mentioned as possibilities both in 2014 and 2017: DeCuire, Russell Turner of UC Irvine and Randy Bennett of Saint Mary's.

"I think Travis would be an excellent candidate," Montgomery said. "Russ would be a excellent candidate. Obviously, the guy at Moraga.

"I don't know why you'd need to go a lot further than those guys."

DeCuire, now 48, was hired as head coach at Montana, his alma mater, in 2014 and has compiled a five-year record of 109-58. The Grizzlies played in the NCAA tournament the past two seasons.

Turner, who coached under Montgomery both at Stanford and with the Warriors, led Irvine to a 31-6 record this season and the program's first-ever NCAA tournament victory. He is 188-128 in nine seasons with the Anteaters.

Bennett has been extraordinary at Moraga, transforming the Gaels into an annual threat to reach the NCAAs. His teams have earned seven NCAA bids and have averaged 26 victories over the past 12 seasons.

DeCuire has one qualification that separates him from the other two and is invaluable, Montgomery said.
"As important as anything, he understands Cal because he's been there," Montgomery said.

DeCuire was part of Montgomery's staff all six years at Cal, the final four seasons as associate head coach. Together, they led the Bears to six 20-win seasons, four NCAA tournament berths and, in 2010, the program's only conference title since 1960.

Mike Montgomery won 20 games all six of his seasons at Cal.
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Montgomery figured he had a good pretty read on Cal from his 18 seasons competing across the Bay at Stanford. Once he arrived at Berkeley, the reality was a bit different.

"Cal's a little unique, for sure," Montgomery said. "The issues that exist there that people don't see, (DeCuire has) dealt with. He's lived there. He knows. He knows what he's selling. I think he would have the support of all the support people from when we were there, so he hits the ground the running."

The university is responsible for the current state of the basketball program because it failed to make the "logical" choice five years ago, Montgomery said.

The team coming back in 2014-15 should have been strong. Tyrone Wallace, Jabari Bird and Jordan Mathews all were returning, and the Bears had a commitment from big man Jakob Poeltl, who later flipped to Utah and how is playing in the NBA.

"A lot of guys there, they all wanted Travis. It just was way too logical," Montgomery said.

Then-athletic director Sandy Barbour explored big name candidates, including Mark Few and Tommy Amaker. They said no thanks.

"Sandy Barbour, who was a good AD but not in the best shape of her career at Cal, went out and did her due diligence," Montgomery said. "She came back and said you're right, `Travis is the guy.' "

But Barbour no longer had the political clout with the Cal administration to sell DeCuire, who had no head-coaching experience at the time. The Bears hired Martin.

"I don't think they wanted to have Sandy make the decision at that point because she hired a football coach (Sonny Dykes) and that didn't go swimmingly. That relationship was fractured and that was too bad.
"That's why they're in the fix they're in now. The continuity of the program with the kids they had, there would have been no hiccup."

The Bears went 7-11 in the Pac-12 that first season under Martin. Two years later, he bolted.

"Cuonzo was a good guy, but Cal wasn't what he wanted. It wasn't what he thought it was," Montgomery said. "Wyking's a good man but he inherited an impossible situation."

The next coach faces the same campus learning curve that all new coaches experience. DeCuire would be exempt from that break-in period.

"Cal's a great school, great location, beautiful campus," Montgomery said. "You understand Telegraph's a little different environment than some places.

"It's a typical big university with a lot of cooks in the kitchen, a lot of decision makers. It's tough to get things done in a timely manner. You don't know that going into the process. Travis knows about those things."
DeCuire's qualifications for the job extend beyond his familiarity with Berkeley and the UC bureaucracy.

"First and foremost, he's a good coach and I think he's proven that at Montana. He's won three league championships," Montgomery said. "You have to be able to coach the game. A lot of assistants don't get the chance to prove that and now he has proven that."

Beyond the Xs and Os, DeCuire is good with players, Montgomery said.

"He relates to them. He played. He's stern and he's demanding but I think the kids also trust him," Montgomery said "It's not like he's standoffish or doesn't relate to their problems. He's good that way."

Montgomery said he has talked with Knowlton, who he believes is thorough and organized, and provided his thoughts on various candidates.

"Now they've got a situation where they've got some work to do," Montgomery said. "They're going to have to make the best decision they can and the next guy's going to have to work hard to get it back to where it should be."

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+1
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Love it. Monty always brings the goods. Poetl was a huge get that we lost. We wound up getting Jaylen Brown and Ivan Rabb, but never won an NCAA game.
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I'm glad Monty can speak freely about the whole process 5 years ago and do so in the candid way he's known for.

It's revisionist history, but had we hired TD 5 years ago, this is what our team likely would have looked like:

Starters:
Tyrone Wallace (jr)
Jordan Mathews (so)
Jabari Bird (so)
David Kravish (sr)
Jakob Poeltl (fr)

Bench:
Ahmaad Rorie (fr)
Sam Singer (so)
Roger Moute (so)
Christian Behrens (jr)
Kameron Rooks (so/redshirt)
Idrissa Diallo (fr)

Diallo was a bust, which wasn't a surprise, but Rorie was a good player in the Big Sky.

The two years with Poeltl would have been fun with chances to get to the 2nd weekend in the NCAA's.
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tsubamoto2001 said:

I'm glad Monty can speak freely about the whole process 5 years ago and do so in the candid way he's known for.

It's revisionist history, but had we hired TD 5 years ago, this is what our team likely would have looked like:

Starters:
Tyrone Wallace (jr)
Jordan Mathews (so)
Jabari Bird (so)
David Kravish (sr)
Jakob Poeltl (fr)

Bench:
Ahmaad Rorie (fr)
Sam Singer (so)
Roger Moute (so)
Christian Behrens (jr)
Kameron Rooks (so/redshirt)
Idrissa Diallo (fr)

Diallo was a bust, which wasn't a surprise, but Rorie was a good player in the Big Sky.

The two years with Poeltl would have been fun with chances to get to the 2nd weekend in the NCAA's.
No Rabb?

I can't believe the joke phrase "I blame Sonny Dykes" actually tangentially applies here.
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Interesting suggestion from Monty, Sandy's foolish hire of Sonny Dykes screwed not one, but two programs. Monty essentially says hiring Dykes caused the relationship with administration to be fractured, cost her clout and the ability to have her MBB HC choice be hired.

I think it is a lot more complicated than that, but it makes sense that the Dykes hire, even though it was under Birgeneau, was a factor in Dirks and Wilton making the decision to overrule Barbour.

It is funny, though, because the biggest complaint about the Dykes hire I would make is that he seemed to be a bad fit. Outside of the willingness/ability to go a long way towards helping with the academic fix, Sonny just didn't fit here, a bad fit. The biggest reason to hire Travis over Cuonzo was that he seemed like a better fit, and indeed, Cuonzo turned out to be a fairly lousy fit. I doubt that Sandy had learned a lesson about fit in 17 months, but maybe.

Weird, Sandy botched the Tedford replacement (both in terms of what it seemed like at the time and in hindsight) but in hindsight, anyway, she got the Monty replacement right (at least insofar as the Dirks/Wilton vs. Sandy battle went), but botching the Tedford replacement may have cost her the chance to decide the Monty replacement. Don't know if her choice of Travis would have worked out, but hard to imagine the program would be in worse shape right now.
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Hiring Cuonzo over TD in 2014 was a no brainer at the time. I think it's silly that fans are evening questioning that years later. But what doesn't make any sense is why anyone in the right mind would hire Jones over TD in 2016.
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Rabb was a HS senior that year and since he made his decision in the Spring, a good season (which was likely) would not have hurt the chances of landing him.

rkt88edmo said:

tsubamoto2001 said:

I'm glad Monty can speak freely about the whole process 5 years ago and do so in the candid way he's known for.

It's revisionist history, but had we hired TD 5 years ago, this is what our team likely would have looked like:

Starters:
Tyrone Wallace (jr)
Jordan Mathews (so)
Jabari Bird (so)
David Kravish (sr)
Jakob Poeltl (fr)

Bench:
Ahmaad Rorie (fr)
Sam Singer (so)
Roger Moute (so)
Christian Behrens (jr)
Kameron Rooks (so/redshirt)
Idrissa Diallo (fr)

Diallo was a bust, which wasn't a surprise, but Rorie was a good player in the Big Sky.

The two years with Poeltl would have been fun with chances to get to the 2nd weekend in the NCAA's.
No Rabb?

I can't believe the joke phrase "I blame Sonny Dykes" actually tangentially applies here.
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Actually, it was not. Of course, Cuonzo had the resume of being a HC, but the job was TD's until the higher-ups overruled Sandy. And Cuonzo was a surprise hire looking for an escape route out of Tennessee. That's never a good situation, IMO. He didn't really want the Cal job. They just happened to give him a way out of his situation.

PtownBear1 said:

Hiring Cuonzo over TD in 2014 was a no brainer at the time. I think it's silly that fans are evening questioning that years later. But what doesn't make any sense is why anyone in the right mind would hire Jones over TD in 2016.
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tsubamoto2001 said:

Actually, it was not. Of course, Cuonzo had the resume of being a HC, but the job was TD's until the higher-ups overruled Sandy. And Cuonzo was a surprise hire looking for an escape route out of Tennessee. That's never a good situation, IMO. He didn't really want the Cal job. They just happened to give him a way out of his situation.

PtownBear1 said:

Hiring Cuonzo over TD in 2014 was a no brainer at the time. I think it's silly that fans are evening questioning that years later. But what doesn't make any sense is why anyone in the right mind would hire Jones over TD in 2016.

But you're just making these claims now based on subsequent events. Unless you're his wife, how would you know at the time that Martin wasn't genuinely interested in being the HC at Cal long term?
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No, go back and look at my posts from 2014 if you wish to. I wanted Randy Bennett at first, but when it was clear that he wasn't coming, I was comfortable with and wanted TD. My feeling at the time of the CM hire was initially "cool we got a coach that made the Sweet 16 this year". But after thinking it through and researching more about him and his situation at Tennessee, I felt he wouldn't be a "long-term guy". Either by getting fired or bolting for another job. The latter happened.

PtownBear1 said:

tsubamoto2001 said:

Actually, it was not. Of course, Cuonzo had the resume of being a HC, but the job was TD's until the higher-ups overruled Sandy. And Cuonzo was a surprise hire looking for an escape route out of Tennessee. That's never a good situation, IMO. He didn't really want the Cal job. They just happened to give him a way out of his situation.

PtownBear1 said:

Hiring Cuonzo over TD in 2014 was a no brainer at the time. I think it's silly that fans are evening questioning that years later. But what doesn't make any sense is why anyone in the right mind would hire Jones over TD in 2016.

But you're just making these claims now based on subsequent events. Unless you're his wife, how would you know at the time that Martin wasn't genuinely interested in being the HC at Cal long term?
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When cuonzo signed rabb and brown, I'd like to know who here was on record being against cuonzo and for TD
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ducky23 said:

When cuonzo signed rabb and brown, I'd like to know who here was on record being against cuonzo and for TD
Pretty sure just Tsuba and seventeen crickets
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Who said against Cuonzo? I supported the hire when it was made. Go look at my posts from 2014. The argument here is whether it was a "no-brainer." I contend that it was not, even at that time.

There's reasons TD should have been the choice 5 years ago:
- continuity of a decently successful run by his predecessor. Monty retired, it's not like a situation where the coach got fired and you wanted to start anew completely. Continuity would have helped as the players would not have had to adjust to a new coach and a new system.
- keeping the recruiting class in tact; just Poeltl (PAC-12 POY as a sophomore) by himself was worth choosing TD as the HC.
- Geographic ties...TD has recruiting ties in the PNW and the staff overall recruits CA and Internationally (John Monty was the point man on Poeltl, IIRC). TD had us in with Jaylen Nowell and possibly Kevin Porter. Martin pretty much had to start from scratch and other than the blue chip guys, his recruiting was lackluster. Jaylen Brown and Rabb were nice, but let's not forget all the debates on here about how Martin was using them. Brown played way below his potential at Cal and you can probably say Rabb could have been used better as well.

ducky23 said:

When cuonzo signed rabb and brown, I'd like to know who here was on record being against cuonzo and for TD
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tsubamoto2001 said:

Who said against Cuonzo? I supported the hire when it was made. Go look at my posts from 2014. The argument here is whether it was a "no-brainer." I contend that it was not, even at that time.

ducky23 said:

When cuonzo signed rabb and brown, I'd like to know who here was on record being against cuonzo and for TD

Hmmm.....


Successful p6 coach coming off S16
Great Coaching tree and NBA experience
Fantastic personal story resonating with how UC sees itself (if not the reality)
African American
Young
Passionate about the transformative value of College and college athletics.

Of COURSE IT WAS A NO BRAINER. If it had leaked we passed people would have been burned at the stake.

Only later did we learn....

Wanted to win to the degree he was frustrated with university restrictions
Didn't like the West Coast
Missed his friends in the Mid-West
COuldn't teach offense
Couldn't successfully recruit at the tier below Rabb/Brown
Couldn't find or retain good assistants.

NONE of those were flagged by anyone at least on BI
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ducky23 said:

When cuonzo signed rabb and brown, I'd like to know who here was on record being against cuonzo and for TD


Exactly. We were over the moon. Undefeated at home (for the first time in Cal history) was prettty sweet too.

Everybody hates Cuonzo now, but that was largely due to the way it ended (many people hate their ex, but obviously didn't always feel that way) and partly to excuse Jones. And now we know more about DeCuire as a HC. Hindsight is 20/20.

Arguing about the past is pointless. It cannot be changed. The key is that we make a good decision now.

If we hire DeCuire and go with "he's the coach we should have hired to begin with" as our story, great. It helps build good feelings around the hire, build fan loyalty and maybe loyalty from Travis.
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PtownBear1 said:

Hiring Cuonzo over TD in 2014 was a no brainer at the time. I think it's silly that fans are evening questioning that years later. But what doesn't make any sense is why anyone in the right mind would hire Jones over TD in 2016.
I disagree. It was a no brainer based on information fans had.

Full disclosure here. Hiring Decuire didn't excite me at the time. I was hoping to find other candidates up to the point Martin appeared. I wholeheartedly supported the hire. But here's the thing. Fans aren't responsible for hiring coaches. We are emotional. We don't have all the information. We don't sit in on interviews. We don't hear from people who support (or don't support) the candidates. We make stupid decisions off the cuff because our decisions don't mean anything. Which is why anyone in a position of responsibility in sports management has to modulate how much they choose to do things that please the fans.

It is clear Dirks made the wrong decision. How much grief should he get for it? I think based on Monty's account, at least some.

You have an athletic director whose job it is to make this decision. I'm not Sandy's biggest fan, but I think she'd take that job seriously. Monty's opinion should have been given weight and it was with Sandy. From what I've heard in the years since, pretty much everybody in the building from players to staff wanted Decuire to get the job. (and there was some sense of that leaking out at the time. There were actually quite a few people that expressed disappointment) That should have been given weight and it was with Sandy. As Monty said, she did her due diligence with other candidates. I think she made her decision based on the opinions of everyone around her that were pretty emphatic.

So the thing is here, if Dirks is going to overrule that decision and go against the opinion of his AD, of the best coach Cal has had in 60 years, of the players and the staff, he has to own it. Yes, Martin's resume was hands down better. Martin would be a more exciting pick for the fans that did not have the information Sandy had. But that is only part of what goes into the decision. This wasn't my decision to make or yours. I couldn't talk to Monty about it or anyone else who knew the players.

Does anyone think that Dirks, upon taking the decision away from Barbour, then talked to Monty? The players? The staff? Like Barbour had? Or did he just summarize that in his mind to one line and say pfffft!? Then compare resumes. I think he made the hire that looked good on paper and that would look good to the fans rather than the good hire. There is a difference between a decision being a no brainer on paper and being an actual no brainer.

I don't think Dirks deserves to be raked over the coals over this, but I think some criticism over that process is warranted even if it resulted in a decision that most fans liked at the time. I've always said, fans ultimately care about the results, not whether they agreed with the decision at the time. Make the right decision no matter what the fans think. Think about USC fans who were fried as hell that they hired a journeyman NFL coach with a .500 record. Didn't take them long to not be upset with Pete Carroll.
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socaltownie said:

tsubamoto2001 said:

Who said against Cuonzo? I supported the hire when it was made. Go look at my posts from 2014. The argument here is whether it was a "no-brainer." I contend that it was not, even at that time.

ducky23 said:

When cuonzo signed rabb and brown, I'd like to know who here was on record being against cuonzo and for TD

Hmmm.....


Successful p6 coach coming off S16
Great Coaching tree and NBA experience
Fantastic personal story resonating with how UC sees itself (if not the reality)
African American
Young
Passionate about the transformative value of College and college athletics.

Of COURSE IT WAS A NO BRAINER. If it had leaked we passed people would have been burned at the stake.

Only later did we learn....

Wanted to win to the degree he was frustrated with university restrictions
Didn't like the West Coast
Missed his friends in the Mid-West
COuldn't teach offense
Couldn't successfully recruit at the tier below Rabb/Brown
Couldn't find or retain good assistants.

NONE of those were flagged by anyone at least on BI


Agreed. I think you also need to add the magnitude of the pile of money Missouri would offer him.
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socaltownie said:

tsubamoto2001 said:

Who said against Cuonzo? I supported the hire when it was made. Go look at my posts from 2014. The argument here is whether it was a "no-brainer." I contend that it was not, even at that time.

ducky23 said:

When cuonzo signed rabb and brown, I'd like to know who here was on record being against cuonzo and for TD

Hmmm.....


Successful p6 coach coming off S16
Great Coaching tree and NBA experience
Fantastic personal story resonating with how UC sees itself (if not the reality)
African American
Young
Passionate about the transformative value of College and college athletics.

Of COURSE IT WAS A NO BRAINER. If it had leaked we passed people would have been burned at the stake.

Only later did we learn....

Wanted to win to the degree he was frustrated with university restrictions
Didn't like the West Coast
Missed his friends in the Mid-West
COuldn't teach offense
Couldn't successfully recruit at the tier below Rabb/Brown
Couldn't find or retain good assistants.

NONE of those were flagged by anyone at least on BI
Probably Brian Sabean's best trade was the one that had him "burned at the stake" to the point that he declared "I am not an idiot" in the media.

You can't be afraid to be burned at the stake if you make sports management decisions. And of course, Dirks could have left that decision to the person whose job it was to make it and who was willing to be burned at the stake over it.

There was plenty of film, so his offense was easily discoverable.
Tennessee fans said - he constantly finished second for recruits
#1 - that should have been something that could be fleshed out and was known not a problem with Decuire.
#2 and #3 was always a risk and was not a problem with Decuire.

Don't know if there was evidence of the last one.
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OaktownBear said:

PtownBear1 said:

Hiring Cuonzo over TD in 2014 was a no brainer at the time. I think it's silly that fans are evening questioning that years later. But what doesn't make any sense is why anyone in the right mind would hire Jones over TD in 2016.
I disagree. It was a no brainer based on information fans had.

Full disclosure here. Hiring Decuire didn't excite me at the time. I was hoping to find other candidates up to the point Martin appeared. I wholeheartedly supported the hire. But here's the thing. Fans aren't responsible for hiring coaches. We are emotional. We don't have all the information. We don't sit in on interviews. We don't hear from people who support (or don't support) the candidates. We make stupid decisions off the cuff because our decisions don't mean anything. Which is why anyone in a position of responsibility in sports management has to modulate how much they choose to do things that please the fans.

It is clear Dirks made the wrong decision. How much grief should he get for it? I think based on Monty's account, at least some.

You have an athletic director whose job it is to make this decision. I'm not Sandy's biggest fan, but I think she'd take that job seriously. Monty's opinion should have been given weight and it was with Sandy. From what I've heard in the years since, pretty much everybody in the building from players to staff wanted Decuire to get the job. (and there was some sense of that leaking out at the time. There were actually quite a few people that expressed disappointment) That should have been given weight and it was with Sandy. As Monty said, she did her due diligence with other candidates. I think she made her decision based on the opinions of everyone around her that were pretty emphatic.

So the thing is here, if Dirks is going to overrule that decision and go against the opinion of his AD, of the best coach Cal has had in 60 years, of the players and the staff, he has to own it. Yes, Martin's resume was hands down better. Martin would be a more exciting pick for the fans that did not have the information Sandy had. But that is only part of what goes into the decision. This wasn't my decision to make or yours. I couldn't talk to Monty about it or anyone else who knew the players.

Does anyone think that Dirks, upon taking the decision away from Barbour, then talked to Monty? The players? The staff? Like Barbour had? Or did he just summarize that in his mind to one line and say pfffft!? Then compare resumes. I think he made the hire that looked good on paper and that would look good to the fans rather than the good hire. There is a difference between a decision being a no brainer on paper and being an actual no brainer.

I don't think Dirks deserves to be raked over the coals over this, but I think some criticism over that process is warranted even if it resulted in a decision that most fans liked at the time. I've always said, fans ultimately care about the results, not whether they agreed with the decision at the time. Make the right decision no matter what the fans think. Think about USC fans who were fried as hell that they hired a journeyman NFL coach with a .500 record. Didn't take them long to not be upset with Pete Carroll.
That is fair and a really good thing for Crisp to think about. You hire an AD to make this call and be an expert in it. And so....I will revise my statement. Probably Dirks DOES shoulder blame. Not that we wouldn't have also made the same call as he did _IF_ we were going to be the AD. But Dirks wasn't the AD...he was the chancellor. The right thing is to say "OK Sandy, your the AD. THat is my 2 cents but it is your call as the hiring manager."
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Impressively extensive interview; thanks for posting it, Yogi.

They're still talking about Randy Bennett as if he's in play. I thought that ship sailed from both sides, years ago.
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Crap ADs like Bockrath, and to a lesser extent SB, have been bad for Cal athletics, but the non-athletic administration has been infinitely worse. This probably dates further back than IMH, but that's my starting point as a '91 grad.

Monty has this nailed, as usual. He was candid as head coach, but now it's almost like Liar Liar, no filter at all. Maybe you want your staff to be more circumspect, but as an outside observer this is great. Love also that he didn't refer to Bennett by name, implying not so subtly that he's third in a three man race, bringing up the rear.
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rkt88edmo said:

tsubamoto2001 said:

"I'm glad Monty can speak freely about the whole process 5 years ago and do so in the candid way he's known for.

It's revisionist history, but had we hired TD 5 years ago, this is what our team likely would have looked like:

Starters:
Tyrone Wallace (jr)
Jordan Mathews (so)
Jabari Bird (so)
David Kravish (sr)
Jakob Poeltl (fr)

Bench:
Ahmaad Rorie (fr)
Sam Singer (so)
Roger Moute (so)
Christian Behrens (jr)
Kameron Rooks (so/redshirt)
Idrissa Diallo (fr)

Diallo was a bust, which wasn't a surprise, but Rorie was a good player in the Big Sky.

The two years with Poeltl would have been fun with chances to get to the 2nd weekend in the NCAA's.
No Rabb?

I can't believe the joke phrase "I blame Sonny Dykes" actually tangentially applies here.
Buh.
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tsubamoto2001 said:


There's reasons TD should have been the choice 5 years ago:
- continuity of a decently successful run by his predecessor. Monty retired, it's not like a situation where the coach got fired and you wanted to start anew completely. Continuity would have helped as the players would not have had to adjust to a new coach and a new system.
- keeping the recruiting class in tact; just Poeltl (PAC-12 POY as a sophomore) by himself was worth choosing TD as the HC.
- Geographic ties...TD has recruiting ties in the PNW and the staff overall recruits CA and Internationally (John Monty was the point man on Poeltl, IIRC).

Sounds like the reasons Jones was hired.
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Well, except Jones didn't keep the recruiting class intact and Charlie Moore transferred. And I don't recall reading anywhere about Cuonzo recommending Wyking for the HC job.

Civil Bear said:

tsubamoto2001 said:


There's reasons TD should have been the choice 5 years ago:
- continuity of a decently successful run by his predecessor. Monty retired, it's not like a situation where the coach got fired and you wanted to start anew completely. Continuity would have helped as the players would not have had to adjust to a new coach and a new system.
- keeping the recruiting class in tact; just Poeltl (PAC-12 POY as a sophomore) by himself was worth choosing TD as the HC.
- Geographic ties...TD has recruiting ties in the PNW and the staff overall recruits CA and Internationally (John Monty was the point man on Poeltl, IIRC).

Sounds like the reasons Jones was hired.
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calumnus said:

ducky23 said:

When cuonzo signed rabb and brown, I'd like to know who here was on record being against cuonzo and for TD


Exactly. We were over the moon. Undefeated at home (for the first time in Cal history) was prettty sweet too.

Everybody hates Cuonzo now, but that was largely due to the way it ended (many people hate their ex, but obviously didn't always feel that way) and partly to excuse Jones. And now we know more about DeCuire as a HC. Hindsight is 20/20.

Arguing about the past is pointless. It cannot be changed. The key is that we make a good decision now.

If we hire DeCuire and go with "he's the coach we should have hired to begin with" as our story, great. It helps build good feelings around the hire, build fan loyalty and maybe loyalty from Travis.
I don't believe everyone hates Cuonzo - but you nailed it about how it ended. I mostly blame Williams and Dirks and the shyteshow that was our Athletic Department at the time. With a different support structure, Cuonzo could have addressed his weaknesses* and had success for a longer time. Not sure that would have prevented him bolting when the Brinks Truck from Mizzou pulled up though, but no hard feelings.

*20/20 hindsight his weaknesses were recruiting targets and offensive flow. A better department could have helped him understand the parameters of who a good fit for Cal would have been. It may not have solved all of his recruiting problems, but could have made it work. Offensively, a good assistant hire could have done wonders.
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PtownBear1 said:

Hiring Cuonzo over TD in 2014 was a no brainer at the time. I think it's silly that fans are evening questioning that years later. But what doesn't make any sense is why anyone in the right mind would hire Jones over TD in 2016.

Hiring Cuonzo over TD might have made sense given his experience as a HC, but it wasn't a particularly inspired hire. The gods handed him Mercer, and all of a sudden CM was a hot commodity. Apart from that, there wasn't much to get excited about.
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No mention of Kidd but I'm with Monty, these guys all have ties to the Bay Area, let's make this happen:
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Three names have resurfaced that were mentioned as possibilities both in 2014 and 2017: DeCuire, Russell Turner of UC Irvine and Randy Bennett of Saint Mary's.

"I think Travis would be an excellent candidate," Montgomery said. "Russ would be a excellent candidate. Obviously, the guy at Moraga.

"I don't know why you'd need to go a lot further than those guys."
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OaktownBear said:

PtownBear1 said:

Hiring Cuonzo over TD in 2014 was a no brainer at the time. I think it's silly that fans are evening questioning that years later. But what doesn't make any sense is why anyone in the right mind would hire Jones over TD in 2016.
I disagree. It was a no brainer based on information fans had.

Full disclosure here. Hiring Decuire didn't excite me at the time. I was hoping to find other candidates up to the point Martin appeared. I wholeheartedly supported the hire. But here's the thing. Fans aren't responsible for hiring coaches. We are emotional. We don't have all the information. We don't sit in on interviews. We don't hear from people who support (or don't support) the candidates. We make stupid decisions off the cuff because our decisions don't mean anything. Which is why anyone in a position of responsibility in sports management has to modulate how much they choose to do things that please the fans.

It is clear Dirks made the wrong decision. How much grief should he get for it? I think based on Monty's account, at least some.

You have an athletic director whose job it is to make this decision. I'm not Sandy's biggest fan, but I think she'd take that job seriously. Monty's opinion should have been given weight and it was with Sandy. From what I've heard in the years since, pretty much everybody in the building from players to staff wanted Decuire to get the job. (and there was some sense of that leaking out at the time. There were actually quite a few people that expressed disappointment) That should have been given weight and it was with Sandy. As Monty said, she did her due diligence with other candidates. I think she made her decision based on the opinions of everyone around her that were pretty emphatic.

So the thing is here, if Dirks is going to overrule that decision and go against the opinion of his AD, of the best coach Cal has had in 60 years, of the players and the staff, he has to own it. Yes, Martin's resume was hands down better. Martin would be a more exciting pick for the fans that did not have the information Sandy had. But that is only part of what goes into the decision. This wasn't my decision to make or yours. I couldn't talk to Monty about it or anyone else who knew the players.

Does anyone think that Dirks, upon taking the decision away from Barbour, then talked to Monty? The players? The staff? Like Barbour had? Or did he just summarize that in his mind to one line and say pfffft!? Then compare resumes. I think he made the hire that looked good on paper and that would look good to the fans rather than the good hire. There is a difference between a decision being a no brainer on paper and being an actual no brainer.

I don't think Dirks deserves to be raked over the coals over this, but I think some criticism over that process is warranted even if it resulted in a decision that most fans liked at the time. I've always said, fans ultimately care about the results, not whether they agreed with the decision at the time. Make the right decision no matter what the fans think. Think about USC fans who were fried as hell that they hired a journeyman NFL coach with a .500 record. Didn't take them long to not be upset with Pete Carroll.
I did not like the general idea of the Chancellor overruling the AD, but ignoring the process issue, like you, I wholeheartedly supported the hire.

The combination of how the hire looked on paper and the fact that I didn't trust Sandy after the Dykes hire made me question Sandy's judgment and think that maybe, in this case, it was OK to throw normal process out the window. It was a no-brainer to the fans, perhaps not so much to a professional who knew way more than the fans, but since the professional had, 17 months or so earlier, made a decision that led to the football team being not just 0-11 against FBS teams, but a really BAD 0-11, I was probably more OK with the improper process of the Chancellor stepping in, and didn't think, "If Sandy wanted Travis, she must know something." After all, she hired Dykes. In my case, the bad Dykes hire made me feel better about what went on in basketball, because it made me less pissed off about the Chancellor overstepping his bounds, although I never connected the Dykes hire to the Chancellor's decision to overstep his bounds until Monty suggested it.

When it became clear within the next three months that Sandy was basically being shown the door at the time, it made more sense that the Chancellor overruled her, and I was even more accepting of the process. If you don't trust her to make the hire, you shouldn't have her as AD. And, as it turns out, Dirks didn't want her as AD, so it makes more sense that he didn't trust her to make the hire.

But yes, it is generally a bad idea to have the non-professional make the hire, and Dirks may have overlooked many things that Sandy could see that we fans couldn't see.

Since I don't have all the info available to the AD in March of 2014, I can't say if I think that, at the time, Travis or Cuonzo would have been the better choice. I can only repeat, with the benefit of hindsight, I am 100% confident we would not be worse off right now if Travis had been hired in 2014.
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While I would have been OK had we gone with Travis when Monty retired, I was pretty thrilled when we were able to get Cuonzo. I liked a lot about Cuonzo, I thought he was a good recruiter, good motivator, very good defensive coach. I never liked his offense, but even with that limitation, I think he is a good coach. I only really soured on him at the very end, sitting in Haas watching us get run by Bakersfield. I didn't like the way he checked out before the final game, and I understand those that hold it against him, but overall, I enjoyed his time in Berkeley.
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LOUMFSG2 said:

While I would have been OK had we gone with Travis when Monty retired, I was pretty thrilled when we were able to get Cuonzo. I liked a lot about Cuonzo, I thought he was a good recruiter, good motivator, very good defensive coach. I never liked his offense, but even with that limitation, I think he is a good coach. I only really soured on him at the very end, sitting in Haas watching us get run by Bakersfield. I didn't like the way he checked out before the final game, and I understand those that hold it against him, but overall, I enjoyed his time in Berkeley.
While we had some good moments (best moments being we actually landed Jaylen and Ivan, and the Arizona Gold Out game), we lost a lot of close games due to poor in-game tactics.
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KoreAmBear said:

LOUMFSG2 said:

While I would have been OK had we gone with Travis when Monty retired, I was pretty thrilled when we were able to get Cuonzo. I liked a lot about Cuonzo, I thought he was a good recruiter, good motivator, very good defensive coach. I never liked his offense, but even with that limitation, I think he is a good coach. I only really soured on him at the very end, sitting in Haas watching us get run by Bakersfield. I didn't like the way he checked out before the final game, and I understand those that hold it against him, but overall, I enjoyed his time in Berkeley.
While we had some good moments (best moments being we actually landed Jaylen and Ivan, and the Arizona Gold Out game), we lost a lot of close games due to poor in-game tactics.

+1. My least favorite coach, All Time. ...and for a line worthy of Josey Wales: "That Cuonzo Martin is an easy man to track, he leaves a trial of broken hearts and large unexpired term payout checks wherever he goes."



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KoreAmBear said:

LOUMFSG2 said:

While I would have been OK had we gone with Travis when Monty retired, I was pretty thrilled when we were able to get Cuonzo. I liked a lot about Cuonzo, I thought he was a good recruiter, good motivator, very good defensive coach. I never liked his offense, but even with that limitation, I think he is a good coach. I only really soured on him at the very end, sitting in Haas watching us get run by Bakersfield. I didn't like the way he checked out before the final game, and I understand those that hold it against him, but overall, I enjoyed his time in Berkeley.
While we had some good moments (best moments being we actually landed Jaylen and Ivan, and the Arizona Gold Out game), we lost a lot of close games due to poor in-game tactics.


I agree, maybe I oversold that. It was definitely frustrating at times, because even our best season, i don't feel like we played to our potential. It was frustrating to have that much talent, and not win a postseason game. As I said, Cuonzo did some things well, others not well. I guess I'm saying that even though it was frustrating at times, and could have been better, net-net it was still pretty good.
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bearister said:

KoreAmBear said:

LOUMFSG2 said:

While I would have been OK had we gone with Travis when Monty retired, I was pretty thrilled when we were able to get Cuonzo. I liked a lot about Cuonzo, I thought he was a good recruiter, good motivator, very good defensive coach. I never liked his offense, but even with that limitation, I think he is a good coach. I only really soured on him at the very end, sitting in Haas watching us get run by Bakersfield. I didn't like the way he checked out before the final game, and I understand those that hold it against him, but overall, I enjoyed his time in Berkeley.
While we had some good moments (best moments being we actually landed Jaylen and Ivan, and the Arizona Gold Out game), we lost a lot of close games due to poor in-game tactics.

+1. My least favorite coach, All Time. ...and for a line worthy of Josey Wales: "That Cuonzo Martin is an easy man to track, he leaves a trial of broken hearts and large unexpired term payout checks wherever he goes."




The only good news for his schools is that Martin has yet to be fired and entitled to receive a big payout on his way out the door. He had to pay Cal to get out of his contract.
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