Only if we're short of bodies. Otherwise he's not worth spending a scholarship on.oskidunker said:
Figures. I wonder if Fox will take him back.
You think Fox would tell him to kick rocks?Golden One said:Only if we're short of bodies. Otherwise he's not worth spending a scholarship on.oskidunker said:
Figures. I wonder if Fox will take him back.
Last season, there seemed to be a confluence of...oskidunker said:
Dont agree. Fouls on defense, misses point blank layups and made one 15 foot shot all year. We will see who Fox agrees with, unless he is just looking for bodies. I was really hoping someone would take him.
That's a mischaracterization. It's not that people think he has no skills. He has no skills.fat_slice said:
I know a lot of people here don't think he has skills
He can't shoot, he misses layups, he can't dribble, and he can't pass. That pretty much covers basketball skills.helltopay1 said:
Yogi: He is actually athletic. He just can't shoot from the perimeter and he lacks a high basketball IQ. In a high-powered conference, he would be a walk-on. A good walk-on, to be sure. In practice, he actually shoots pretty well. His confidence, however, is sorely lacking, and he handicaps his team on offense.
helltopay1 said:
Yogi: He is actually athletic. He just can't shoot from the perimeter and he lacks a high basketball IQ. In a high-powered conference, he would be a walk-on. A good walk-on, to be sure. In practice, he actually shoots pretty well. His confidence, however, is sorely lacking, and he handicaps his team on offense.
This season he was a soph. However he began his first season very ill and his next with a finger injury. I think he's a player who could improve tremendously with good health and good coaching.bearchamp said:
He was a freshman. Some fresh are ready to play at the college level and some aren't.
I agree. I sure would like to see him be healthy and play for a whole season.stu said:This season he was a soph. However he began his first season very ill and his next with a finger injury. I think he's a player who could improve tremendously with good health and good coaching.bearchamp said:
He was a freshman. Some fresh are ready to play at the college level and some aren't.
In some ways, like vast unrealized potential, JHD reminds me of Marcus Lee. Maybe we'll find out if shooting can be taught.Quote:
Ps. How can you be listed as a shooting guard when you can't shoot ?
JHD has shown that he is athletic, and has potential, defensively at least. He may turn out to be a good player for Cal, or he may not. So far, even considering his illness and his injury, it looks like yet another case where a player is very over-rated by those who compile recruit rankings.PtownBear1 said:
JHD coming back was very needed. You guys complaining are delusional. We have 7 players on the roster and Fox isn't exactly known for his recruiting prowess. An athletic former 4 star junior that hasn't reached their potential is a very good use of a scholarship.
Fox also needs to make sure he does what it takes to keep Vanover. I don't see him being able to fill 5 or 6 scholarships with P12 level players that are going to be eligible next year. My guess is at best, he'll land one grad transfer that's ready to contribute at a P12 level. And we'll likely be stuck with 2 or 3 Chauca/Davis types taking up roster space for the next several years just because we'll need the bodies.
He strikes me as a guy who could get a lot better with some real coaching. I don't think he's had that yet.tsubamoto2001 said:
JHD at least has the athleticism to be a factor. Yes, the skills need work (a lot of work). He's never really looked comfortable out there, he doesn't play with confidence. Let's see if things change under a new coach.
Bak was one of my favorite players. Slowest man on the roster. No talent whatever. Not aggressive. Coaching discovered he could get open and make a ten footer from the side, which he got pretty good at. Coaching turned him into a pretty good defender. Remember the Wazzu game where Cal was losing and Monty had tried everybody but the water boy on Brock Moton, one of the favorites for the POY award? Monty put Bak on Moton, and Bak shut him down completely, and the Bears won. I'll never forget it. And he won't either. He would never be anything but a bit player, but he was a good example of how someone with no skill at all could get coached up by a good coach to be able to contribute, however little, to a team.helltopay1 said:
don't forget the legendary Bak bak bak Bak . Bak Bak was very bad Bad Bad.
I hope like hell we aren't giving out scholarships just to get bodies. If we have to go shorthanded this season, so be it. I have no problem with keeping JHD though.PtownBear1 said:
JHD coming back was very needed. You guys complaining are delusional. We have 7 players on the roster and Fox isn't exactly known for his recruiting prowess. An athletic former 4 star junior that hasn't reached their potential is a very good use of a scholarship.
Fox also needs to make sure he does what it takes to keep Vanover. I don't see him being able to fill 5 or 6 scholarships with P12 level players that are going to be eligible next year. My guess is at best, he'll land one grad transfer that's ready to contribute at a P12 level. And we'll likely be stuck with 2 or 3 Chauca/Davis types taking up roster space for the next several years just because we'll need the bodies.
This is where Fox, if he doesn't know it already, could use a little recent Cal Hoops history lesson:bluesaxe said:I hope like hell we aren't giving out scholarships just to get bodies. If we have to go shorthanded this season, so be it. I have no problem with keeping JHD though.PtownBear1 said:
JHD coming back was very needed. You guys complaining are delusional. We have 7 players on the roster and Fox isn't exactly known for his recruiting prowess. An athletic former 4 star junior that hasn't reached their potential is a very good use of a scholarship.
Fox also needs to make sure he does what it takes to keep Vanover. I don't see him being able to fill 5 or 6 scholarships with P12 level players that are going to be eligible next year. My guess is at best, he'll land one grad transfer that's ready to contribute at a P12 level. And we'll likely be stuck with 2 or 3 Chauca/Davis types taking up roster space for the next several years just because we'll need the bodies.
SFCityBear said:JHD has shown that he is athletic, and has potential, defensively at least. He may turn out to be a good player for Cal, or he may not. So far, even considering his illness and his injury, it looks like yet another case where a player is very over-rated by those who compile recruit rankings.PtownBear1 said:
JHD coming back was very needed. You guys complaining are delusional. We have 7 players on the roster and Fox isn't exactly known for his recruiting prowess. An athletic former 4 star junior that hasn't reached their potential is a very good use of a scholarship.
Fox also needs to make sure he does what it takes to keep Vanover. I don't see him being able to fill 5 or 6 scholarships with P12 level players that are going to be eligible next year. My guess is at best, he'll land one grad transfer that's ready to contribute at a P12 level. And we'll likely be stuck with 2 or 3 Chauca/Davis types taking up roster space for the next several years just because we'll need the bodies.
We may end up with Chauca/Davis types (or Kaileb Rodriguez/Khalil Johnson types), but for heaven's sake, get them through try-outs for walk-on slots, not scholarship slots on the roster. Cole Welle was better than any one of these players, and he was a walk-on. And once in a while, you get a Forehan-Kelly.
This history lesson can easily extend through Monty's tenure and likely far beyond. The start of this post season was actually the first time I recall not having any space fillers on scholarship. Last year's group - Davis + Thorpe/Brown/Smith IV would have been a pretty solid roster IMO and didn't have any fillers.Big C said:This is where Fox, if he doesn't know it already, could use a little recent Cal Hoops history lesson:bluesaxe said:I hope like hell we aren't giving out scholarships just to get bodies. If we have to go shorthanded this season, so be it. I have no problem with keeping JHD though.PtownBear1 said:
JHD coming back was very needed. You guys complaining are delusional. We have 7 players on the roster and Fox isn't exactly known for his recruiting prowess. An athletic former 4 star junior that hasn't reached their potential is a very good use of a scholarship.
Fox also needs to make sure he does what it takes to keep Vanover. I don't see him being able to fill 5 or 6 scholarships with P12 level players that are going to be eligible next year. My guess is at best, he'll land one grad transfer that's ready to contribute at a P12 level. And we'll likely be stuck with 2 or 3 Chauca/Davis types taking up roster space for the next several years just because we'll need the bodies.
1. Cuonzo: "A mistake I made at Tennessee was offering too many schollies my first year, to guys who couldn't really help."
2. Cuonzo: "Hey Brandon Chauca, we'd like to offer you a scholarship!"
3. Wyking: "History, shmistory! Hey, McCoullough and Winston, we'd like to offer you scholarships!"
(I'm also fine with JHD coming back. He'll almost certainly get a little better and his schollie frees up in two years.)
I'm totally okay with taking a project if the coaches see potential upside. Sometimes they pan out and sometimes they don't (Rod Benson v. Davis), but there is room on a 13 man roster for 1 or 2 of those. What I don't want to see are schollies waisted on projects with limited upside (Chuaca, McCullough, etc.).PtownBear1 said:This history lesson can easily extend through Monty's tenure and likely far beyond. The start of this post season was actually the first time I recall not having any space fillers on scholarship. Last year's group - Davis + Thorpe/Brown/Smith IV would have been a pretty solid roster IMO and didn't have any fillers.Big C said:This is where Fox, if he doesn't know it already, could use a little recent Cal Hoops history lesson:bluesaxe said:I hope like hell we aren't giving out scholarships just to get bodies. If we have to go shorthanded this season, so be it. I have no problem with keeping JHD though.PtownBear1 said:
JHD coming back was very needed. You guys complaining are delusional. We have 7 players on the roster and Fox isn't exactly known for his recruiting prowess. An athletic former 4 star junior that hasn't reached their potential is a very good use of a scholarship.
Fox also needs to make sure he does what it takes to keep Vanover. I don't see him being able to fill 5 or 6 scholarships with P12 level players that are going to be eligible next year. My guess is at best, he'll land one grad transfer that's ready to contribute at a P12 level. And we'll likely be stuck with 2 or 3 Chauca/Davis types taking up roster space for the next several years just because we'll need the bodies.
1. Cuonzo: "A mistake I made at Tennessee was offering too many schollies my first year, to guys who couldn't really help."
2. Cuonzo: "Hey Brandon Chauca, we'd like to offer you a scholarship!"
3. Wyking: "History, shmistory! Hey, McCoullough and Winston, we'd like to offer you scholarships!"
(I'm also fine with JHD coming back. He'll almost certainly get a little better and his schollie frees up in two years.)
I think we're all hoping that any offers for the sake of having bodies are offered as walk-ons, but I doubt that will be the case. It looks like we're already in consideration for a filler and I'm sure there will be a couple more riding the pine for the next 3-4 years.
Let's hope JHD is in the 1%.helltopay1 said:
99% of players cannot be taught how to shoot, and 99% of women cannot be taught the value of silence.
As others have said, JHD is athletic and willing to work so he's capable of becoming a good defender. I don't know how much hoops IQ he has, but we're talking about a Cal student here, so I think JHD can be coached up. Another aspect of his return is that maybe Sueing will think twice about leaving if his fellow classmate is staying at Cal. It wouldn't be a huge reason, but as Sueing weighed the pros and cons, maybe it tips the scales a bit in our favor.stu said:In some ways, like vast unrealized potential, JHD reminds me of Marcus Lee. Maybe we'll find out if shooting can be taught.Quote:
Ps. How can you be listed as a shooting guard when you can't shoot ?
Intelligence and athletic capability are not directly related. You could get the ten best basketball coaches in America to coach me and I'm still going to be a giant liability in even women's hoops.HearstMining said:stu said:Quote:
I don't know how much hoops IQ he has, but we're talking about a Cal student here, so I think JHD can be coached up.
