Bleacher Report's NBA's Top 50 All Time Rankngs

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Bleacher Report's All-Time Player Rankings: NBA's Top 50 Revealed


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2854727-bleacher-reports-all-time-player-rankings-nbas-top-50-revealed
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Cool!

I liked the "sorry we had to leave them out" list at the beginning. I maybe would have put Jerry Lucas in for Manu Ginobili or Chris Paul, but hard to argue with any of the others.
RedlessWardrobe
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Really wished KJ could crack the top 50. My biggest issue is Bill Walton in and Nate Thurmond out. Sure, Walton won a championship but his career was relatively short and not as good as Nate the Great.
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But Walton at his peak was more dominant, in my opinion.
gobears
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Walton as NBA MVP winner was more dominant than Nate at their peaks. Nate has the distinction of playing the best D on Kareem over the course of Kareem's career.

Both had great NBA careers.




blungld
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No Pete Maravich? Dumb.
BearSD
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Rick Barry should be much higher than #50.

Chris Paul at #28? Waaaaaaaaay too high.

My hot take: Kareem should be ahead of LeBron.
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gobears said:

Walton as NBA MVP winner was more dominant than Nate at their peaks. Nate has the distinction of playing the best D on Kareem over the course of Kareem's career.

Both had great NBA careers.





Both Walton and Thurmond were great players, no doubt about it.

However, Walton had a very short period where he was dominant. His first four years were his best, and even in those years he averaged only 52 games per season and only 33 minutes per game. Thurmond, on the other hand had a long stretch of 10 years where he averaged 40-45 minutes per game. He had a couple years where he played less games due to injuries, but in general, he was much more durable than Walton, and that has to count for something.

If we look at game logs, there were a lot of games where Nate went 48 minutes. He had to. He was often up against the likes of Wilt and Russell, who usually played close to 48 minutes, not to mention Kareem and Walt Bellamy, who also were going 40+ minutes.

Another point was that Nate was playing against the three greatest centers in history in Russell, Wilt, and Kareem, along with playing against Willis Reed and Bellamy. The best centers who competed against Walton were Kareem, Moses Malone, Bob McAdoo, and Dave Cowens, all great players but, in my opinion, not as difficult a task as facing Wilt, Russell Kareem, Reed, and Bellamy.

Nate did more than just play tough defense against Kareem. Wilt himself said Nate was a great defender as well. Nate had to guard all those guys and do it well, along with averaging 20 points and 16 rebounds and 3 assists for a 9 year period with the Warriors. Those were his peak years. Walton averaged 17 points, 13.5 rebounds, and 4 assists over a 4 year period with Portland, his best years.

They did play each other head to head in Walton's rookie season, 1975, and Walton was 22 and Thurmond was 33, and in his last year as a starter. The Blazers played the Bulls three times, but Walton played only one of the games, Feb 4. Walton got 20 points, 13 boards, 5 assists, and 2 blocks. Nate had 8 points, 20 boards, 4 assists, and 2 blocks.

The main difference between their careers that I see is that Walton has a ring, and Nate did not ever get one. The Warriors had an awesome front line for two years with both Wilt and Nate playing together, but then Wilt left. They got a lot better when Rick Barry arrived, but then Barry left for the ABA. Barry would eventually come back to the Warriors, but he had blown out a knee in the ABA, and was not the same player. Even so, the Warriors would win the Title in 1975, but not after trading Nate the year before to the Bulls, and Nate never got his ring. Being traded had to hurt. In any case, Nate was a dominant player for a long time in a Warrior uniform.

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I don't like these lists very much. I have far more respect for the NBA's own 1996 list of the NBA's top 50 players which was voted on by 50 great NBA players, coaches, and prominent media people. The list they came up with was the 50 greatest players in their opinion, and did not rank any one player higher than another. It seems they would know best, rather than a young sportswriter, Andy Bailey, with less than 10 years experience, who does not have the perspective to be able to judge the worth of players who played way before he was born, in a very different game with different rules. He seems to be a promoter, favoring current and more recent players whom he has seen over those he has not seen, and a proponent of modern advanced analytic stats, which he appears to favor over traditional basketball stats, never mind the some of the much older players he has chosen to drop from the 1996 NBA list have had very few stats recorded at all, as stats were not as important as winning games and team play in the early days of the NBA.

Bailey has dumped 19 players who were on the 1996 list, including old timers Paul Arizin and George Mikan. He does not have much respect for the fact that basketball is a team game, and winning championships as a team is really important. He has dumped winners like Sam Jones (10 rings), Bob Cousy (6), Bill Sharman(4) and several more. In ranking the great centers, he has ranked Kareem as the best, at #3, followed by Shaq #6, Duncan #7, Russell #8, and Wilt #9, but Kareem himself has said that Bill Russell is the best PLAYER of all time, because he has 11 championship rings. Bailey thinks stats are more important, and did not agree with Kareem. Here is the link from Bailey's own article to what Kareem said: https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/18009414

Another point is that Bailey doesn't seem to respect defense, maybe because it does not produce a lot of statistics that he can play with to make his case. He dropped 1996 top 50 team members Willis Reed, Dave Cowens, Dave DeBusschere, and Patrick Ewing, all fine defenders from the team.

The other players from the 1996 team that I haven't mentioned above, which Bailey dumped from the team were Tiny Archibald, Dave Bing, Billy Cunningham, Jerry Lucas, Pete Maravich, Earl Monroe, Robert parish, Wes Unseld, Lenny Wilkens, and James Worthy. How do you keep any of these guys off the team? At least Bailey says it was "painful" to leave off some players, and his list of those players is a good one, but several of them should have been on his top 50. Again, there are a lot of defensive standouts on his cut list, like Bobby Jones, Sidney Moncrief, Alonzo Mourning, Dikembe Motumbo, Gary Payton, Willis Reed, Dennis Rodman, and Nate Thurmond. How can you keep Gary Payton and Nate Thurmond off your top 50 team? For that matter, Hall of Famer KC Jones was the best small defender during the years he played. How do keep him off your top 50 list and your "missed the top 50" list?

The NBA has expanded a lot and a lot more good players have played since 1996. How about naming a list of the best 100 all-time NBA players, and not disrespect any of them by ranking them individually? Just list them in alphabetical order, like the 1996 list. This is a team game, after all.
gobears
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I know the most recent top 50 list is based on their NBA careers.. unlike the Basketball HoF which is based on one's entire career... (college, Olympics, etc).

Bill Walton must be in discussion for the best offensive game for a NCAA championship game.
His 1973 stat line vs Memphis was: 21 of 22 from floor, 44 points.. 33 MP.

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