Observations from last night

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UrsaMajor
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A win is a win is a win--even if it doesn't count and it's against a small D2 school with one good shooter.

A good crowd; must have been nearly 50 people there...(Calbears listed it as 1200, but that's only if you count all the empty chair backs as people and the actual people twice).

After the 1st half (which ended with the Bears up 44-41), I was shaking my head and wondering about Fox being a defense 1st coach. The defense tightened up considerably in the 2nd half, however, as St. Martin's FG percentage went from 53% (dreadful) to 35% in the second half. Apparently, Fox and crew reminded them that closing out on 3-point shooters and not allowing unimpeded drives to the hoop were now allowed in NCAA basketball.

What really impressed me, however, was the offense. By which I mean, THERE WAS AN OFFENSE! (Saints be praised, pun intended). St. Martin played exclusively zone, and the ball was moving crisply and (hold your breath), it consistently got to the flasher at the foul line (there was a flasher at the foul line). There was also a lot of inside-out and inside-out-inside play that led to wide open looks from 3 as well as open looks under the basket. Overall, we shot 54% from the field (62% in the 2nd half; 41% from 3). The next stat will warm SFCity's heart no end: 26 assists on 37 made baskets (against only 6 turnovers!). Some other observations:

Kareem South can light it up. Only 3-9 from 3 (not bad), but buried most of his open looks.
Lars Thiemann is already a serviceable replacement for Vanover. He can't shoot it from outside, but he has the body of a real 5, showed pretty good footwork underneath, and can finish with either hand.
Joel Brown was intriguing. He didn't shoot (his points were on fast breaks), but he is clearly a pass-first pg, and 6 assists in 14 minutes is pretty darn good. I hope he develops quickly because he's already a better defender than Paris Austin, who could have used a red cape out there, especially in the 1st half.
Speaking of Paris Austin, he's obviously looking to pass more in Fox's offense, although how long that will last is anyone's guess.
Grant Anticevich looked a lot more confident shooting the ball and seems to have a clue about what to do in Fox's offense.
Andre Kelly looked a bit slimmer to my eye and was solid in limited minutes. D.J. Thorpe seemed confused at times; I expect he won't have a lot of minutes once we get into the P12 season, although this was only one game.
As Nathan mentioned Kuony and JHD didn't play, and Klonaris looked kind of lost in his limited time.
Fox clearly has them playing an actual offense; it will be interesting to see what it looks like against a man defense and a better, bigger team. Also Fox got his first taste of P12 officiating, with the refs missing a blatant double dribble (the kind the NBA might have called against even Lebron). When he protested, the ref said he wasn't actually looking so he didn't see it. I also liked Fox's in-game coaching. He spoke with every player as he came off the court, at one point noting to Kareem that he had made a decent pass, but that there was a shooter who was more open who should have gotten the ball. By the way, he's not a big water drinker, but he had a whole slew of wrapped candies lined up on the railing of the scorer's table that he kept popping...

Northside91
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Very nice report.
calumnus
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UrsaMajor said:

A win is a win is a win--even if it doesn't count and it's against a small D2 school with one good shooter.

A good crowd; must have been nearly 50 people there...(Calbears listed it as 1200, but that's only if you count all the empty chair backs as people and the actual people twice).

After the 1st half (which ended with the Bears up 44-41), I was shaking my head and wondering about Fox being a defense 1st coach. The defense tightened up considerably in the 2nd half, however, as St. Martin's FG percentage went from 53% (dreadful) to 35% in the second half. Apparently, Fox and crew reminded them that closing out on 3-point shooters and not allowing unimpeded drives to the hoop were now allowed in NCAA basketball.

What really impressed me, however, was the offense. By which I mean, THERE WAS AN OFFENSE! (Saints be praised, pun intended). St. Martin played exclusively zone, and the ball was moving crisply and (hold your breath), it consistently got to the flasher at the foul line (there was a flasher at the foul line). There was also a lot of inside-out and inside-out-inside play that led to wide open looks from 3 as well as open looks under the basket. Overall, we shot 54% from the field (62% in the 2nd half; 41% from 3). The next stat will warm SFCity's heart no end: 26 assists on 37 made baskets (against only 6 turnovers!). Some other observations:

Kareem South can light it up. Only 3-9 from 3 (not bad), but buried most of his open looks.
Lars Thiemann is already a serviceable replacement for Vanover. He can't shoot it from outside, but he has the body of a real 5, showed pretty good footwork underneath, and can finish with either hand.
Joel Brown was intriguing. He didn't shoot (his points were on fast breaks), but he is clearly a pass-first pg, and 6 assists in 14 minutes is pretty darn good. I hope he develops quickly because he's already a better defender than Paris Austin, who could have used a red cape out there, especially in the 1st half.
Speaking of Paris Austin, he's obviously looking to pass more in Fox's offense, although how long that will last is anyone's guess.
Grant Anticevich looked a lot more confident shooting the ball and seems to have a clue about what to do in Fox's offense.
Andre Kelly looked a bit slimmer to my eye and was solid in limited minutes. D.J. Thorpe seemed confused at times; I expect he won't have a lot of minutes once we get into the P12 season, although this was only one game.
As Nathan mentioned Kuony and JHD didn't play, and Klonaris looked kind of lost in his limited time.
Fox clearly has them playing an actual offense; it will be interesting to see what it looks like against a man defense and a better, bigger team. Also Fox got his first taste of P12 officiating, with the refs missing a blatant double dribble (the kind the NBA might have called against even Lebron). When he protested, the ref said he wasn't actually looking so he didn't see it. I also liked Fox's in-game coaching. He spoke with every player as he came off the court, at one point noting to Kareem that he had made a decent pass, but that there was a shooter who was more open who should have gotten the ball. By the way, he's not a big water drinker, but he had a whole slew of wrapped candies lined up on the railing of the scorer's table that he kept popping...




Nice report, thanks! Very encouraging!

Sounds like we have some players and sounds like they are getting good coaching.

Go Bears!
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" A good crowd; must have been nearly 50 people there..."

In other words double the crowds that were at the NIT games I went to in the Montgomery and Cuonzo Eras.*

*At the Cal State Bakersfield contest Cuonzo drank more bottles of water than there were fans in the stands.
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UrsaMajor
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bearister said:

" A good crowd; must have been nearly 50 people there..."

In other words double the crowds that were at the NIT games I went to in the Montgomery and Cuonzo Eras.*

*At the Cal State Bakersfield contest Cuonzo drank more bottles of water than there were fans in the stands.
I always wondered: when does he pee?
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UrsaMajor said:

bearister said:

" A good crowd; must have been nearly 50 people there..."

In other words double the crowds that were at the NIT games I went to in the Montgomery and Cuonzo Eras.*

*At the Cal State Bakersfield contest Cuonzo drank more bottles of water than there were fans in the stands.
I always wondered: when does he pee?

When his contract is up for renewal.
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that last Cuonzo elephant-march was the only bb game I've attended/paid for since walking thru a few after fb practice in hs, $10 walk-up, choice of seats, though - tennis, skiing, rugby, g cricket, & frisbee fam - participants

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Why didn't Brown play in the 1st half?
UrsaMajor
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calfanz said:

Why didn't Brown play in the 1st half?
No idea. Best guess is that he wanted the starters and a couple of reserves to get into a rhythm before more substitutions. Thorpe played limited minutes as well. I thought that Brown looked very good for a freshman pg in the time he was there. No idea about his shooting, but his defense was solid and court vision seemed good as well.
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Very promising. And it was nice that we have it in us to put it in another gear, after only being up 4 at halftime. I think the win is not important, but learning how to win is very important. Hopefully in OOC we continue to do that. I am so very glad that we have a semblance of structure now.
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Ursa Major,

What a great analysis, full of detail, and a great sense of humor (a quality sorely missing among most of us on this Forum the last two seasons). If you get more urges to do this, please do, and I''ll be able to postpone my subscribing to the premium BI for another season. I can't imagine their analysis being any better or more fun to read than this one.

Yes, 26 assists against 6 turnovers does warm my heart. It doesn't get much better than that, unless it is a Steve Kerr-coached team, and they are pros after all, and that is expected. At Cal that has seldom been the norm.

It could be a challenge against better and bigger teams, if we continue to play this starting lineup. The point guard, the shooting guard and the small forward are all undersized in this lineup. Not ideal. But we will see how it works. Brown would be the obvious upgrade at point guard, in terms of size and also defense. It will be hard to keep either South or Bradley off the floor, especially if South can put up offensive numbers like he did in this game. In terms of adding some height, the next most desirable place for me to do it would be in the front line at small forward. I don't see Bradley as a long term idea at SF, and I think we need another taller option. I am hoping that Kuany turns out to be a player, or that Gordon is fully healthy and can play as well as he was advertised. Even the possibility of Kelly or Thorpe moving to the power forward, and Anticevich to the SF, if he continues to shoot well. It would seem that Lars may not be able to play more than 20-25 minutes, so Thorpe may be needed up front to back him up and also Kelly.

I don't think you mentioned Gordon in your analysis. He had a good line, shot well, with 8 points and 4 rebounds in 17 minutes. How did he look to you?

Anyway, thanks again for the post, and welcome back to Cal basketball, where once again we have a little hope, instead of despair. The rest of the season will tell us a lot about coach Fox and his players, and it should be interesting.
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Not following closely. What is the story with Gordon?
UrsaMajor
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Thanks for the kind words, SFCity.
I thought Gordon looked OK; clearly had a clearer role than under Jones (who didn't?), but I think he's still a step slow, or at least slower than advertised. I fully agree regarding height. Easy to play a small lineup when your opponent has only 3 players above 6-5, and the tallest is 6-7. I can't see Kelly sliding to the 4; he just doesn't have the foot speed to guard forwards. Similarly, Anticevich has improved greatly, but foot speed may be his problem if he has to guard 3's. I didn't see enough of Thorpe to have an opinion about what he can do and where. Obviously, Kuany is a mystery since he didn't play at all. For me, the fact that the team had a REAL offense, even if it's easy to look good against a D2 squad was the big takeaway. And the players seemed to buy in. Lots of extra passing, the ball not sticking, good movement without the ball. All the things we're accustomed to not seeing at Haas.
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