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cal fanatic, as someone who is deeply passionate about women's basketball & softball (which has inspired me to become a new sb fan, may got to the bears 1st weekend of games tho they kinda conflict with the phoenix open golf tournament by my house) would you not agree that markeisha everrett has 100% failed in ever aspect of marketing/selling tickets to this special basketball team??
not trolling her at all, just hoping that she will held accountable for her abysmal failures in every aspect of her job other than her disingenuous self promotion (when she tried to take credit for football's gameday coming to berkeley she gotta brutalized by dozens of fact checkers which caused her to censor her linked in comments)....her failure to offer FREE tixs to all students for all football & men's basketball games is mind boggling in that it's an investment in developing a pipeline to future Builders of Berkeley donors
when the powers behind the cal football nil program approached her re: billboards this summer she basically tole them that she wuz too busy which conflicts with the staff feedback of others in the athletic department that point out she either works remotely or closes her door in her office & is well known for spending the day looking at retail websites...so the billboards still went up nationally but with zero help from markeisha
why is that important to women's basketball fans??...by alienating the whale donors in berkeley she's eliminated the possibility of them funding billboards for michelle and/or the splash sisters
if you have any relationship with everrett would be very interested in hearing about your feedback, ok?...but if ur just defending her on principle, then would suggest u do ur homework re: the damage this worthless bureaucrat is havocing on cal athletics
not trolling her at all, just hoping that she will held accountable for her abysmal failures in every aspect of her job other than her disingenuous self promotion (when she tried to take credit for football's gameday coming to berkeley she gotta brutalized by dozens of fact checkers which caused her to censor her linked in comments)....her failure to offer FREE tixs to all students for all football & men's basketball games is mind boggling in that it's an investment in developing a pipeline to future Builders of Berkeley donors
when the powers behind the cal football nil program approached her re: billboards this summer she basically tole them that she wuz too busy which conflicts with the staff feedback of others in the athletic department that point out she either works remotely or closes her door in her office & is well known for spending the day looking at retail websites...so the billboards still went up nationally but with zero help from markeisha
why is that important to women's basketball fans??...by alienating the whale donors in berkeley she's eliminated the possibility of them funding billboards for michelle and/or the splash sisters
if you have any relationship with everrett would be very interested in hearing about your feedback, ok?...but if ur just defending her on principle, then would suggest u do ur homework re: the damage this worthless bureaucrat is havocing on cal athletics
cal fanatic, the shooting coach that would probably be amendable on a contract basis in the off season is the pinewood high school women's basketball shooting guruCalFanatic said:We should hire Shocky as our next shooting coach. It will give him something else to do besides troll posting Markeisha Everett. Win win?Shocky1 said:totally different deals, they refined not fixed their shooting mechanicswvitbear said:
LeLan and Lulu fixed their shots in one year.
but the BEST solution would be coach charmin hiring my friend theo robertson as the skills development coach a role he fulfilled for both the golden state warriors & los angeles lakers...theo is a berkeley grad (the men's career highest 3 point % shooter!!) & already familiar with the bears in serving currently as the women's games tv announcer
I have read Clay's perspective on college basketball players not improving in shooting and basketball in general for years, and he has direct and in-depth experience for him to draw those conclusions.
but I'm sorry. I just don't agree.
I DO agree that players who have elite potential are born, and not taught.
Jaylen Brown was born an elite player and you can have the best coaches, facilities, training, nutrition and practice time and you won't be Jaylen Brown. Ditto for Steph Curry, Jason Kidd and other players in the NBA, MBB and WBB.
HOWEVER, HS players CAN and DO make major leaps in their basketball performance in both skills and the mental aspect of the game, including shooting.
Shooting mechanics can be improved and certainly refined, but often times a player can improve their shooting percentage by 5% just with more reps and more confidence. Fixing a fundamentally poor shooting form is much tougher and requires a complete rebuild of their shot. I agree with Clay that a player will get worse before they get better and it takes at least an offseason. Still a 27% 3 point shooter (poor) can improve to a 33% shooter (solid) with that 5% improvement.
By the way, the best shooter percentage-wise on this year's team is Lulu, and she actually doesn't have great form (she leans into her shot too much).
Players at all levels will tell you "the game just started getting slower". That has a HUGE impact to your ability to play the game.
Physically a senior is night and day different than as a freshmen (or in HS), and some players still grow taller.
Ball handling might be the area that most players can improve the most, although like other basketball skills, a lot of this is born. Quickness, hand coordination, weak hand is all born, but there are so many dribbling techniques that can be coached that can completely elevate a players effectiveness. I constantly talk about the power of the hesitation move. People talk about Curry's shooting, but a lot of it is his elite ball handling.
A key is having a personal basketball trainer to work one with. Shocky talks about Theo who is a good candidate for shooting, but the best guard/wing trainer would be Randle. Elite shooter, elite ball handler.
Bottom line is with the right trainer (and training, coaching and schemes) a player can substantially improve from HS to their senior year. They probably won't ever be steph curry but they can be a valuable starter on a good D1 team.
but I'm sorry. I just don't agree.
I DO agree that players who have elite potential are born, and not taught.
Jaylen Brown was born an elite player and you can have the best coaches, facilities, training, nutrition and practice time and you won't be Jaylen Brown. Ditto for Steph Curry, Jason Kidd and other players in the NBA, MBB and WBB.
HOWEVER, HS players CAN and DO make major leaps in their basketball performance in both skills and the mental aspect of the game, including shooting.
Shooting mechanics can be improved and certainly refined, but often times a player can improve their shooting percentage by 5% just with more reps and more confidence. Fixing a fundamentally poor shooting form is much tougher and requires a complete rebuild of their shot. I agree with Clay that a player will get worse before they get better and it takes at least an offseason. Still a 27% 3 point shooter (poor) can improve to a 33% shooter (solid) with that 5% improvement.
By the way, the best shooter percentage-wise on this year's team is Lulu, and she actually doesn't have great form (she leans into her shot too much).
Players at all levels will tell you "the game just started getting slower". That has a HUGE impact to your ability to play the game.
Physically a senior is night and day different than as a freshmen (or in HS), and some players still grow taller.
Ball handling might be the area that most players can improve the most, although like other basketball skills, a lot of this is born. Quickness, hand coordination, weak hand is all born, but there are so many dribbling techniques that can be coached that can completely elevate a players effectiveness. I constantly talk about the power of the hesitation move. People talk about Curry's shooting, but a lot of it is his elite ball handling.
A key is having a personal basketball trainer to work one with. Shocky talks about Theo who is a good candidate for shooting, but the best guard/wing trainer would be Randle. Elite shooter, elite ball handler.
Bottom line is with the right trainer (and training, coaching and schemes) a player can substantially improve from HS to their senior year. They probably won't ever be steph curry but they can be a valuable starter on a good D1 team.
hoops, agreed jerome randle would be a good not great (he's never coached in his life like theo whose done so at the nba level) shooting coach but he's not a viable candidate as he already turned down the mark madsen offer to join the men's team do to baby mama issues which prevents him from relocating to the bay area
hiring robertson is a no brainer, there's nobody on the current staff that is qualified for the massive undertaking of fixing less than optimal shooting mechanics...as clay says the vast majority of players no matter hard they work like defensive stalwart (this year's lockdown d is a reflection of her) eliza pierre seldom improve their perimeter shooting
right now the bears got 2 guards on the 2025 roster than can be relied upon to make a free throw tho shocky thinks anastasia drosouni (6 for 7 on fts this season) gotta lotta upside
hiring robertson is a no brainer, there's nobody on the current staff that is qualified for the massive undertaking of fixing less than optimal shooting mechanics...as clay says the vast majority of players no matter hard they work like defensive stalwart (this year's lockdown d is a reflection of her) eliza pierre seldom improve their perimeter shooting
right now the bears got 2 guards on the 2025 roster than can be relied upon to make a free throw tho shocky thinks anastasia drosouni (6 for 7 on fts this season) gotta lotta upside
Shocker,Shocky1 said:
hoops, agreed jerome randle would be a good not great (he's never coached in his life like theo whose done so at the nba level) shooting coach but he's not a viable candidate as he already turned down the mark madsen offer to join the men's team do to baby mama issues which prevents him from relocating to the bay area
hiring robertson is a no brainer, there's nobody on the current staff that is qualified for the massive undertaking of fixing less than optimal shooting mechanics...as clay says the vast majority of players no matter hard they work like defensive stalwart (this year's lockdown d is a reflection of her) eliza pierre seldom improve their perimeter shooting
right now the bears got 2 guards on the 2025 roster than can be relied upon to make a free throw tho shocky thinks anastasia drosouni (6 for 7 on fts this season) gotta lotta upside
Not debating Theo, but Jerome still seems to want to have a role with the team. Maybe he can't be a coach right now, but having him as a trainer who be excellent
as for FT shooting. That's a completely different shooting animal. With reps and a trainer every player should be able to get to at least 65-70%
my referencing free throw shooting is within the context that it's a macro view of 3 point shooting upside, if a shooter can't make a non contested 15 foot free throw it's highly unlikely they will be able to make a defended 3 pointer under duress
remember richard solomon, his dad tole me he wanted to be used more as a stretch 4 which wuz mind boggling to monty & the staff because he couldn't even consistently stroke free throws
don't see rome involved with cal athletics at any level for another 15+ years, the longwell flying in/out once a month (ryan now has a home in the bay area) during the football season is proof that day to day development work is critical...being a great shooter/ball handler does not necessarily translate into becoming a good coach/trainer, the vast majority of coaches in the billion dollar nba never played in the league
remember richard solomon, his dad tole me he wanted to be used more as a stretch 4 which wuz mind boggling to monty & the staff because he couldn't even consistently stroke free throws
don't see rome involved with cal athletics at any level for another 15+ years, the longwell flying in/out once a month (ryan now has a home in the bay area) during the football season is proof that day to day development work is critical...being a great shooter/ball handler does not necessarily translate into becoming a good coach/trainer, the vast majority of coaches in the billion dollar nba never played in the league
you maybe right but the last thing I'll say is Randle is a basketball trainer, and I was talking about off season training, not in season training
HD said:
"By the way, the best shooter percentage-wise on this year's team is Lulu, and she actually doesn't have great form (she leans into her shot too much)."
Just for the sake of discussion, (I played the game but never coached it), I'm not sure this is an accurate take. When you say she "leans in" you might be really saying that her efficiency is reduced when she is closely guarded. But honestly that applies to anyone. I mean, if Lulu has enough space, her form looks pretty damn good to me. So far this year 40% from 3 point land. Players don't usually acheive that when they don't have great form.
"By the way, the best shooter percentage-wise on this year's team is Lulu, and she actually doesn't have great form (she leans into her shot too much)."
Just for the sake of discussion, (I played the game but never coached it), I'm not sure this is an accurate take. When you say she "leans in" you might be really saying that her efficiency is reduced when she is closely guarded. But honestly that applies to anyone. I mean, if Lulu has enough space, her form looks pretty damn good to me. So far this year 40% from 3 point land. Players don't usually acheive that when they don't have great form.
For elite players, the ability to make three-pointers is literally a million-dollar skill. The fact that elite athletes like Brittney Boyd, to mention just one, could not improve enough to generate all the overseas income they could, shows that getting better at shooting is not a given.
Of course you work on it. Of course you tweak and find a trainer. Of course you hope for improvement.
And sometimes it happens. Sometimes the light goes on. Sometimes it doesn't.
I am a huge three-point advocate and have been ever since I did the math in the late '90s. My teams have always shot threes, and every player shoots a lot of threes in practice. I am annoying about footwork and form.
At a younger age, it's easier to make a difference, especially if, as a coach, you're willing to have players miss a ton of shots while they figure it out. (My JVs went 3-44 one game this year -- but we average around eight or nine threes a game, from up and down the roster.)
But some kids walk into the gym and make shots. Some just don't have the hand-eye knack to be really good shooters. You work with both, but there's a lot of truth to shooters being born, not made. Same with golfers and every other athletic skill.
There's no mercy at the college level, and the mental pressure is unrelenting -- and of course, shooting is hugely mental. After all, everyone can make a free throw, or a three. The body can do it. It's just how often.
Of course you work on it. Of course you tweak and find a trainer. Of course you hope for improvement.
And sometimes it happens. Sometimes the light goes on. Sometimes it doesn't.
I am a huge three-point advocate and have been ever since I did the math in the late '90s. My teams have always shot threes, and every player shoots a lot of threes in practice. I am annoying about footwork and form.
At a younger age, it's easier to make a difference, especially if, as a coach, you're willing to have players miss a ton of shots while they figure it out. (My JVs went 3-44 one game this year -- but we average around eight or nine threes a game, from up and down the roster.)
But some kids walk into the gym and make shots. Some just don't have the hand-eye knack to be really good shooters. You work with both, but there's a lot of truth to shooters being born, not made. Same with golfers and every other athletic skill.
There's no mercy at the college level, and the mental pressure is unrelenting -- and of course, shooting is hugely mental. After all, everyone can make a free throw, or a three. The body can do it. It's just how often.
Of course you are right that some people are just naturally good at shooters, just like any other sport skill in sports. You can see talent at 7.
I've been amazed at how some young players seemly just throw up high difficulty shots and it goes in.
But my disagreement is that what you have when a player enters college is what you get - players almost never improve their shooting through their college career.
That's true for many players. That's also not true for many players.
I've been amazed at how some young players seemly just throw up high difficulty shots and it goes in.
But my disagreement is that what you have when a player enters college is what you get - players almost never improve their shooting through their college career.
That's true for many players. That's also not true for many players.
ClayK said:
For elite players, the ability to make three-pointers is literally a million-dollar skill. The fact that elite athletes like Brittney Boyd, to mention just one, could not improve enough to generate all the overseas income they could, shows that getting better at shooting is not a given.
Of course you work on it. Of course you tweak and find a trainer. Of course you hope for improvement.
And sometimes it happens. Sometimes the light goes on. Sometimes it doesn't.
I am a huge three-point advocate and have been ever since I did the math in the late '90s. My teams have always shot threes, and every player shoots a lot of threes in practice. I am annoying about footwork and form.
At a younger age, it's easier to make a difference, especially if, as a coach, you're willing to have players miss a ton of shots while they figure it out. (My JVs went 3-44 one game this year -- but we average around eight or nine threes a game, from up and down the roster.)
But some kids walk into the gym and make shots. Some just don't have the hand-eye knack to be really good shooters. You work with both, but there's a lot of truth to shooters being born, not made. Same with golfers and every other athletic skill.
There's no mercy at the college level, and the mental pressure is unrelenting -- and of course, shooting is hugely mental. After all, everyone can make a free throw, or a three. The body can do it. It's just how often.
Sometimes you look a player's shooting form and know right away that it can't possibly work on a consistent basis. I guess all you can do then is to tell them not to shoot.
^ annarbor, and that's kinda the story of jayda noble right now with her lockdown d & unwillingness to shoot from the perimeter which results in teams literally not guarding her while doubling another shooter...fortunately with 3-4 legit 3 point shooters on the court most of the time this does not materially disrupt the bears offense
would love to see jayda put up more shots around the basket, the last couple of games she's used her +1 athleticism to get by her defender & then within 6-8 feet of the bucket in the paint & then dish the ball out to a shooter...when u get that close to the bucket jayda, let it fly!!
would love to see jayda put up more shots around the basket, the last couple of games she's used her +1 athleticism to get by her defender & then within 6-8 feet of the bucket in the paint & then dish the ball out to a shooter...when u get that close to the bucket jayda, let it fly!!
Redless,RedlessWardrobe said:
HD said:
"By the way, the best shooter percentage-wise on this year's team is Lulu, and she actually doesn't have great form (she leans into her shot too much)."
Just for the sake of discussion, (I played the game but never coached it), I'm not sure this is an accurate take. When you say she "leans in" you might be really saying that her efficiency is reduced when she is closely guarded. But honestly that applies to anyone. I mean, if Lulu has enough space, her form looks pretty damn good to me. So far this year 40% from 3 point land. Players don't usually acheive that when they don't have great form.
I wouldn't change anything with Lulu's form, and think it's good. My point was Lulu doesn't have perfect form but is a great college shooter.
I was responding to another post about Lola's shooting form. I didn't think her high arc was a problem, and think she can refine her shooting form but doesn't need to rebuild it, AND that putting up a ton of reps can improve her consistency.
Ok, yeah sometimes easy to mix up Lulu and Lola!HoopDreams said:Redless,RedlessWardrobe said:
HD said:
"By the way, the best shooter percentage-wise on this year's team is Lulu, and she actually doesn't have great form (she leans into her shot too much)."
Just for the sake of discussion, (I played the game but never coached it), I'm not sure this is an accurate take. When you say she "leans in" you might be really saying that her efficiency is reduced when she is closely guarded. But honestly that applies to anyone. I mean, if Lulu has enough space, her form looks pretty damn good to me. So far this year 40% from 3 point land. Players don't usually acheive that when they don't have great form.
I wouldn't change anything with Lulu's form, and think it's good. My point was Lulu doesn't have perfect form but is a great college shooter.
I was responding to another post about Lola's shooting form. I didn't think her high arc was a problem, and think she can refine her shooting form but doesn't need to rebuild it, AND that putting up a ton of reps can improve her consistency.
So curious on Lola. If it was up to you, would you try to tweak the "backhand screwball release" or would you leave it as is?
I haven't seen enough of her shooting to truly evaluate her shooting form so I only have a general impression. However I don't remember seeing a broken shot.
I know she's only made 1 three on probably 8 attempts which is very poor. Still she seems to have a green light when open and shoots it with confidence so I assume she's a solid shooter in practice.
I have a tough time seeing everything clearly depending on where the player is on the court and she hasn't played in weeks
Next time I'll try to watch her in pre-pre game warmups
I know she's only made 1 three on probably 8 attempts which is very poor. Still she seems to have a green light when open and shoots it with confidence so I assume she's a solid shooter in practice.
I have a tough time seeing everything clearly depending on where the player is on the court and she hasn't played in weeks
Next time I'll try to watch her in pre-pre game warmups
RedlessWardrobe said:Ok, yeah sometimes easy to mix up Lulu and Lola!HoopDreams said:Redless,RedlessWardrobe said:
HD said:
"By the way, the best shooter percentage-wise on this year's team is Lulu, and she actually doesn't have great form (she leans into her shot too much)."
Just for the sake of discussion, (I played the game but never coached it), I'm not sure this is an accurate take. When you say she "leans in" you might be really saying that her efficiency is reduced when she is closely guarded. But honestly that applies to anyone. I mean, if Lulu has enough space, her form looks pretty damn good to me. So far this year 40% from 3 point land. Players don't usually acheive that when they don't have great form.
I wouldn't change anything with Lulu's form, and think it's good. My point was Lulu doesn't have perfect form but is a great college shooter.
I was responding to another post about Lola's shooting form. I didn't think her high arc was a problem, and think she can refine her shooting form but doesn't need to rebuild it, AND that putting up a ton of reps can improve her consistency.
So curious on Lola. If it was up to you, would you try to tweak the "backhand screwball release" or would you leave it as is?
^
Fair enough. Just have to say that when you see her shoot, the almost backhand release is really noticeable. Something really out of the ordinary.
Fair enough. Just have to say that when you see her shoot, the almost backhand release is really noticeable. Something really out of the ordinary.
lola is 1 of 13 on three pointers & 3 of 7 on free throws, her shooting mechanics are not fundamentally sound at this time
https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/25
pretending there is not a problem when there's a problem is not an effective method of solving problems
let's get to work, lola!!
https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/25
pretending there is not a problem when there's a problem is not an effective method of solving problems
let's get to work, lola!!
3-7 is very poor and maybe she does have a mechanics problem
When I have time I'll try to watch some film on her
Somehow she was Hawaii state POY and I'm admittedly assuming those weren't all layups given she looks like a shoot first guard
One of the first think I look for when scouting a player is if they have a good weak hand, and whether they favor shooting or driving
When I have time I'll try to watch some film on her
Somehow she was Hawaii state POY and I'm admittedly assuming those weren't all layups given she looks like a shoot first guard
One of the first think I look for when scouting a player is if they have a good weak hand, and whether they favor shooting or driving
Shocky1 said:
lola is 1 of 13 on three pointers & 3 of 7 on free throws, her shooting mechanics are not fundamentally sound at this time
https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/25
pretending there is not a problem when there's a problem is not an effective method of solving problems
let's get to work, lola!!
sam singer: 35+ ppg bullying much smaller opponents in a low level hs miami private school league with side spin on his perimeter shooting which really got fixed in college
Washington worked with Dalayah Daniels on her low-release shooting form, and she has improved from a 35% shooting percentage in her freshman year with us to 54% with the Huskies this year. But they also finally did give up on her taking three-point shots. She is shooting 18% on those this year and averages only one three-point shot per game.
saw Lola at the men's game tonight ... on crutches 
Guess she won't be putting up a lot of shots
Guess she won't be putting up a lot of shots
Lola saw some action against Wake Forest last Sunday (her first game back from the injury). I'm wondering if she tweaked something then or it happened in practice this week.HoopDreams said:
saw Lola at the men's game tonight ... on crutches
Guess she won't be putting up a lot of shots
She was walking around fine in the previous games. Wasn't dressed but threw the ball to shooters.
The @ Stanford box score shows Lola played 11 minutes.
She was great defensively, and much needed because lulu's fouls. But her 3 pt shot did resemble the debate we've been having. She air balled a wide open 3 in the 4th quarter.
it was me who said I saw Lola on crutches after the men's game last night. I guess I was mistaken?
anyway, I didn't attend the game at Stanford so I was able to see her shooting more clearly on TV (although I still want to look at a replay)
I saw her first 3 and she does look like she has an odd shot. I didn't see her second shot so well, but she badly missed it (air ball and far off target)
I was wrong on her shooting form, sorry
anyway, I didn't attend the game at Stanford so I was able to see her shooting more clearly on TV (although I still want to look at a replay)
I saw her first 3 and she does look like she has an odd shot. I didn't see her second shot so well, but she badly missed it (air ball and far off target)
I was wrong on her shooting form, sorry
It's Sofia Bowes, the walk-on player, who is on crutches. We saw her on the bench last night. Feel badly for her but am glad it's not Lola. We needed her!!HoopDreams said:
it was me who said I saw Lola on crutches after the men's game last night. I guess I was mistaken?
anyway, I didn't attend the game at Stanford so I was able to see her shooting more clearly on TV (although I still want to look at a replay)
I saw her first 3 and she does look like she has an odd shot. I didn't see her second shot so well, but she badly missed it (air ball and far off target)
I was wrong on her shooting form, sorry
Thanks for the correct ID. It was crowded in hallways after game and I was her and several teammates quickly
Sorry to hear of injuries to anyone
With Jayda out, I thought Coach put a lot of trust into Lola for her defense
Sorry to hear of injuries to anyone
With Jayda out, I thought Coach put a lot of trust into Lola for her defense
SFCALBear72 said:It's Sofia Bowes, the walk-on player, who is on crutches. We saw her on the bench last night. Feel badly for her but am glad it's not Lola. We needed her!!HoopDreams said:
it
was me who said I saw Lola on crutches after the men's game last night. I guess I was mistaken?
anyway, I didn't attend the game at Stanford so I was able to see her shooting more clearly on TV (although I still want to look at a replay)
I saw her first 3 and she does look like she has an odd shot. I didn't see her second shot so well, but she badly missed it (air ball and far off target)
I was wrong on her shooting form, sorry
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