Golden State Valkyries, and Other WNBA Teams

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BearBint
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The Valks started their inaugural season well, or well enough, with two victories out of three, one at home and one on the road. These were against non-elite teams, but showed promise: https://valkyries.wnba.com/

Marisa Igemi, who covers women's sports for the Chron, is an enthusiastic fan and live-blogs their games: https://bsky.app/profile/mingemi.bsky.social
CalWSportsFan
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I really appreciate that the SF Chronicle (which I subscribe to) has a full-time reporter that covers the women's sports beat....WNBA, NWSL, college hoops, softball, etc. She's done a great job thus far and would encourage others to subscribe to support the effort.

Meanwhile the Valkyries are fun to watch and thanks to the capacity of the Chase Center, so far are leading the league in attendance too. Good stuff.
HoopDreams
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How much does she cover Cal?

CalWSportsFan said:

I really appreciate that the SF Chronicle (which I subscribe to) has a full-time reporter that covers the women's sports beat....WNBA, NWSL, college hoops, softball, etc. She's done a great job thus far and would encourage others to subscribe to support the effort.

Meanwhile the Valkyries are fun to watch and thanks to the capacity of the Chase Center, so far are leading the league in attendance too. Good stuff.
SFCALBear72
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HoopDreams said:

How much does she cover Cal?

CalWSportsFan said:

I really appreciate that the SF Chronicle (which I subscribe to) has a full-time reporter that covers the women's sports beat....WNBA, NWSL, college hoops, softball, etc. She's done a great job thus far and would encourage others to subscribe to support the effort.

Meanwhile the Valkyries are fun to watch and thanks to the capacity of the Chase Center, so far are leading the league in attendance too. Good stuff.

Well, besides the Valkyries, Marisa Ingemi also writes stories about Cal, Stanford and the other local women's sports programs (Santa Clara, St. Mary's, USF and SJSU).
CalWSportsFan
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Quite a lot actually. I shared several articles here (gift links) but she was consistent throughout the season...way more coverage than we used to receive. Did some nice features too like writing about Jayda's shoe designs etc. .... here's a link to search I did just now.... https://www.sfchronicle.com/search/?action=search&firstRequest=1&searchindex=solr&query=cal+women%27s+basketball
philbert
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interesting question

ClayK
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(Presumably those uninterested in the Valkyries don't open this thread ... seems like a simple fix.)

Natalie Nakase appears to be an excellent coach. She's paid her dues and worked for Becky Hammon at Las Vegas -- and Hammon was one of Gregg Popovich's top assistants in San Antonio. The only reason Hammon came to the WNBA was that it became clear she would never get an NBA head job, no matter how good she was.

Because Nakase is maximizing her talent, the Valkyries have beaten two of the lesser teams in the league (though note LA will be much better when young stars Rickea Jackson and Cameron Brink return from injury). She outcoached Lynne Roberts, the Sparks' coach in the last game, and clearly has the confidence of her team.

Sadly, there's not much offensive talent on the roster, and scoring will be an issue against the better teams. If the Valkyries can come close to .500 with this roster, Nakase should be coach of the year. If they stay out of the lottery, that's great, expect for the fact that they won't be in the lottery, and they need to be.

CalWSportsFan
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Well, draft aside, the Valkyries should be able to attract some decent talent via free agency given the locale, the facility and the organization behind the team.
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CalWSportsFan said:

Well, draft aside, the Valkyries should be able to attract some decent talent via free agency given the locale, the facility and the organization behind the team.
In addition to all of that, apparently they managed their budget to have spending room next season to help acquire free agents.
philbert
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On the Insider Board, there is a discussion about Cal marketing. Given that the Valkyries are reaching out to Cal FB season ticket holders, we were wondering if Cal FB is reaching out to Valkyries season ticket holders. Can someone who has Valkyries season tickets tell us if there are any efforts by Cal FB similar to the one below?


BearBint
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Valks are tied with the Liberty at half-time, 37-37, out-rebounding and out-assisting them. More available players today, plus the Lib are missing Jonquel Jones. New York will probably pull it out, what with their experience and star power, but it's an entertaining game so far.

Televised here on CBS. (And Layshia was commenting at half-time.) https://www.wnba.com/game/1022500033/GSV-vs-NYL/boxscore
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SFCALBear72
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Very entertaining game.
Valkyries are a very good passing team. And their ball movement is keeping the Liberty off-balance.

Let's go!!!
CalFanatic
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That was a hell of a game. I'm very impressed with the Valkyries organization. I thought they'd be god awful this year.

Far from it.
ClayK
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Natalie Nakase a ppears to be a high-level coach. There's not a lot on this roster, but they maximize their talent. (Note that not only was former MVP Jonquel Jones out, but so was her backup, Nyara Sabally.)

It looks like the Valkyries will be a fun team to watch, and Nakase's performance may help GS attract some high-profile free agents. Depending on the salary cap and the max salary, it might be possible for GS to sign three elite players to lead all those complementary players they have now.
HoopDreams
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Coach Charmin has appeared on two pre-game events including a panel discussion last week

philbert said:

On the Insider Board, there is a discussion about Cal marketing. Given that the Valkyries are reaching out to Cal FB season ticket holders, we were wondering if Cal FB is reaching out to Valkyries season ticket holders. Can someone who has Valkyries season tickets tell us if there are any efforts by Cal FB similar to the one below?



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Excited watching The Valkyries games since they are BayArea/Golden State. Unfortunately it means watching them get beat by the NY Liberty-and I still can't stand Ionescu (Cal grudge)
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ClayK said:

Natalie Nakase a ppears to be a high-level coach. There's not a lot on this roster, but they maximize their talent. (Note that not only was former MVP Jonquel Jones out, but so was her backup, Nyara Sabally.)

It looks like the Valkyries will be a fun team to watch, and Nakase's performance may help GS attract some high-profile free agents. Depending on the salary cap and the max salary, it might be possible for GS to sign three elite players to lead all those complementary players they have now.
She has them bought in on rebounding and hustling for 50-50 balls. As a team they are not tall, but they work very hard to rebound. Honestly, if the team or teams I root for are not great, as long as they hustle, work hard, play defense with effort, I can find joy in watching them and I appreciate effort in the face of likely demise lol. So I don't expect they will win a ton of games, but I can see now that they will beat some teams, and especially if the opponent is not ready to give similar effort.

Right now, I hope they find a way to re-sign Salaun, I don't understand her type of contract but she is not beholden to the Valks, I guess basically a one year contract. But she is very young and might be a very solid if not good, player going forward. I think she is 6'3" or so and this year's first pick, Lithuanian Magic Juste Jocyte, is a 6'2" point guard and is like 19. They have some possible building blocks and I am hopeful for their build up.

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annarborbear
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That tape of Jocyte is unbelievable.
annarborbear
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In the days of the portal and NIL, maybe the Valkyrie's could use Cal as a farm team where younger players could be located and developed until they are ready to move up to the WNBA level.
ClayK
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annarborbear said:

In the days of the portal and NIL, maybe the Valkyrie's could use Cal as a farm team where younger players could be located and developed until they are ready to move up to the WNBA level.
That's a really interesting concept, and not just for basketball.

If indeed college players are professionals, why not have Cal football as the farm club for the Niners? And so on ...
HoopDreams
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HairOfTheBear said:

ClayK said:

Natalie Nakase a ppears to be a high-level coach. There's not a lot on this roster, but they maximize their talent. (Note that not only was former MVP Jonquel Jones out, but so was her backup, Nyara Sabally.)

It looks like the Valkyries will be a fun team to watch, and Nakase's performance may help GS attract some high-profile free agents. Depending on the salary cap and the max salary, it might be possible for GS to sign three elite players to lead all those complementary players they have now.
She has them bought in on rebounding and hustling for 50-50 balls. As a team they are not tall, but they work very hard to rebound. Honestly, if the team or teams I root for are not great, as long as they hustle, work hard, play defense with effort, I can find joy in watching them and I appreciate effort in the face of likely demise lol. So I don't expect they will win a ton of games, but I can see now that they will beat some teams, and especially if the opponent is not ready to give similar effort.

Right now, I hope they find a way to re-sign Salaun, I don't understand her type of contract but she is not beholden to the Valks, I guess basically a one year contract. But she is very young and might be a very solid if not good, player going forward. I think she is 6'3" or so and this year's first pick, Lithuanian Magic Juste Jocyte, is a 6'2" point guard and is like 19. They have some possible building blocks and I am hopeful for their build up.

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And a longish video highlight below:



if you want to see how to run a pick n roll ... watch ...
SFCALBear72
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According to various reports this Monday AM, the Connecticut Sun have signed Jaelyn Brown.

Go Jaelyn!!
CalWSportsFan
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For the season! Yay.
CalWSportsFan
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I think the Valkyries are building a culture that will make it attractive for players like Salaun to re-sign up with the team. The crowds thus far at Chase have been outstanding (and loud). It's been great experience watching this team and the way the organization has launched this new franchise.


Edited to add this from the SF Chronicle I found today-Valkyries mailbag: https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/article/golden-state-valkyries-wnba-20351282.php

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After this season, the Valkyries have the rights to only five players from their current roster: Kate Martin (through 2027), Carla Leite (through 2028) and reserved free agents Janelle Salan, Kyara Linskens and Julie Vanloo, who can't sign elsewhere unless the Valkyries do not sign them to a minimum contract.

They also have this year's fifth overall draft pick, Juste Jocyte, who plans to join the team in 2026. The Valkyries own the rights to forward Maria Conde, who intended to enter this season but was sidelined by an Achilles injury in Europe during the offseason. French center Iliana Rupert, set to join this summer, still has two years left on her contract.

That potentially puts eight players on the roster for next season. With a strong free-agent class this offseason, the team could look very different by this time next year. Leite and Salan are two players the Valkyries will likely build around. Jocyte and Conde, given their potential, are seen as critical long-term assets for the team's future.




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CalWSportsFan said:

For the season! Yay.
Indeed!

The Sun need help! They are mired in last place at 1-6 and just lost to the Liberty by 48. Yikes!

re: Valkyries.

The local TV coverage has been very good too.
ClayK
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The Valkyries are much better than I thought they'd be, and the credit goes to Natalie Nakase.

The first job of any coach at any level is to get her players to play hard -- and Golden State plays hard.

Second, a sense of identity is important, and Nakase has taken advantage of the situation to give the Valkyries a style that keeps them in games, at least for a while. The situation?

The Valkyries roster is full of complementary rotation players, which is what one would expect. They have no scorer, really, which is their biggest issue, but they also have depth. Nakase can keep rolling players out there who can do something, or on occasion a lot, and there's no real dropoff. Most W teams have some stars and after them, the deluge. (Kate Martin, for example, scored all of her 14 points in a burst against the Lynx. She's been bad up to that point, and was ordinary the rest of the way, but still -- she can do something at a WNBA level on occasion.)

In addition, those complementary rotation players are well aware of two things: 1) Expansion; and 2) a new CBA. Nakase has, it appears, either directly or indirectly, sold her roster on the idea that if they play hard and show they can play a role, they can land a better job next year. There are 400 minutes a night available next year with the two new teams, and someone has to play them. At the same time, the new CBA should make all salaries rise, so a good year in 2025 could result not only in more minutes but a big bump in pay.

So the Valkyries play hard every night, and if they could score, would be a threat to win some games. Even so, they play hard enough that even a team like Minnesota has to beat them -- and compare that to the Sun, who will simply lose. (There is a subtle but important difference between "having to beat a team," and "letting your talent win.")

The epitome of the Valkyries is Veronica Burton, who would be a WNBA starter if she could score. Against Minnesota, she played well enough offensively that she had to be paid attention to, and if her ability to score improves, she could be a starter again next year, on a better team with a bigger salary. All the Valkyries -- and indeed the franchise -- are playing for next year, but Natalie Nakase has managed to make that work for her and the team.

The Valkyries really don't want to make the playoffs (with the two expansion teams, the highest possible pick would be number seven), but they do want to put a good product on the floor, and so far they've done that. They're a fun team to watch, and not a fun team to play, a combination that's a credit to the coach.
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