I remember an early interview with Lexi Gray-Lawson when she noted that most people don't expect women to be capable of a jump shot!

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I remember an early interview with Lexi Gray-Lawson when she noted that most people don't expect women to be capable of a jump shot!

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Wow! I remember when most people thought women to be incapable of running full court. Too bad we can't bring Mjracle back in time to show them a thing or two.

To wvitbear's point, it's a pull up shot. If done quickly enough, it doesn't even have to be a jump shot. Just don't see it much anymore. Back in the day of Cal Men's hoops, nobody did it better than Kevin Johnson.

And people thought women can't dunk

They can now including Michelle

RedlessWardrobe said:

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To wvitbear's point, it's a pull up shot. If done quickly enough, it doesn't even have to be a jump shot. Just don't see it much anymore. Back in the day of Cal Men's hoops, nobody did it better than Kevin Johnson.

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KJ today..
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/former-nba-player-kevin-johnson-193602923.html
September 6, 2023 3 min read


> After making history as the first Black mayor of Sacramento, CA, former NBA player Kevin Johnson is still on a mission to empower his community. This time, however, he's using delicious soul food to do so.
According to Basketball Insiders, Johnson is expanding his Fixins Soul Kitchen, which was established in 2019 in the same city where he served as a leader for eight years.

> With its next new location set to open in Denver, CO, in early 2024, additional Fixins imprints are expected to appear within the year in Detroit, MI, and Oakland, CA, as well as a second location in Los Angeles, CA.

HoopDreams said:

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And people thought women can't dunk

They can now including Michelle

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I quite enjoy seeing a woman dunk--along with Dr. J because he did it with such wizardry--but I agree with BearBloke that dunking is overrated: bombastic, dangerous, and doesn't even earn an extra point. I'll stick to a clutch 3-pointer.

Great… how bout a two-for-one?

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And people thought women can't dunk

They can now including Michelle

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I quite enjoy seeing a woman dunk--along with Dr. J because he did it with such wizardry--but I agree with BearBloke that dunking is overrated: bombastic, dangerous, and doesn't even earn an extra point. I'll stick to a clutch 3-pointer.

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well it gave me another excuse to post a picture of Michelle

how about giving me an excuse to post a picture of Leilani ?

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You never need an excuse to post a picture of Leilani.

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HoopDreams said:

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Great… how bout a two-for-one?

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HoopDreams said:

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And people thought women can't dunk

They can now including Michelle

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I quite enjoy seeing a woman dunk--along with Dr. J because he did it with such wizardry--but I agree with BearBloke that dunking is overrated: bombastic, dangerous, and doesn't even earn an extra point. I'll stick to a clutch 3-pointer.

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well it gave me another excuse to post a picture of Michelle

how about giving me an excuse to post a picture of Leilani ?

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You never need an excuse to post a picture of Leilani.

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Huzzah! Thanks, HoopDreams.

The modern offensive game requires players to be able to:

1) Score at the rim
2) Be a credible threat from three
3) Make free throws

That's where the points come from, and those are the percentage plays.

Once a player has talen care of business in those areas, she can start looking at the mid-range. There are two types of mid-range shots: The floater in the lane (a touch shot) and a mid-range pullup (a strength shot).

It makes the most sense to work on either the floater or the pull-up rather than trying to develop both at the same time, and the decision really comes down to the player's physiology. Some women are easily strong enough to develop a solid pull-up; others have more touch than strength.

Still, for most players, the shooting percentage on mid-range shots is so close to the shooting percentage for a three-pointer that the math is overwhelming. Why take a shot you make 40% of the time that gives you two points when you can take a shot that you make 30% of the time that gives you three points?

If you want minutes, which one should you work on?

Agree with your post, but if someone works hard on the 8-10 foot pull up, there's no reason that it can't be converted 75% of the time.

First, nobody is making 75% from the field. That's a good mark at the free throw line, when you're set with no defender and can practice it as much as you want.

Second, absolutely once you have a solid three-point game and can finish at the rim through contact, add a mid-range. It opens up a lot. But without the threat of the three, the mid-range won't be there because that's where the defender is standing.

ClayK said:

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First, nobody is making 75% from the field. That's a good mark at the free throw line, when you're set with no defender and can practice it as much as you want.

Second, absolutely once you have a solid three-point game and can finish at the rim through contact, add a mid-range. It opens up a lot. But without the threat of the three, the mid-range won't be there because that's where the defender is standing.

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Three point game or no three point game, if a player has the ability to pull up and get a decent clear look from 8-10 feet, I think that 75% is doable.

If they respect you on a mid range shot in the lane, it also gives you one more opportunity to pass back out to someone else for a three pointer.

ClayK said:

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First,absolutely once you have a solid three-point game and can finish at the rim through contact, add a mid-range. It opens up a lot. But without the threat of the three, the mid-range won't be there because that's where the defender is standing.

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I think the point several of us are making is a mid range game makes you a greater offensive threat

Of course a 3 point shot is a higher effective field goal shot if you just use math, but the more ways you can score at different places on the court the more dangerous you are and the more difficult you are to defend

For example, most D1 defenses can stop a player if they can only shoot 3s and score at the basket

But if they also have an array of other shots they are more dangerous… especially with the floaters, step backs, and fade away

Isn't the most iconic basketball shot in history a Jordan pull up?

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Isn't the most iconic basketball shot in history a Jordan pull up?

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I wouldn't know--I don't follow MBB, apart from the Warriors and the Celtics (a bit). But I do love a good jump shot, along with rebounds and assist.

Have recovered from the disappointment of the other night, and look forward to the Bears crushing their opponents next month. (USC, maybe not, but one never knows.)

He made two pull up jumpers in last seconds of the NBA finals game to win the Championship

We actually agree. Adding a mid-range is good for the individual and the team. But develop the three first ...

agree developing the 3 as the priority

ClayK said:

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We actually agree. Adding a mid-range is good for the individual and the team. But develop the three first ...

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