CalWSportsFan said:

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You know, I think most people, coaches/athletes, etc. in sports these days are paid too much in the scheme of things. I think there are many people in various jobs throughout our society who work extremely hard and who should be paid better for challenging jobs…teachers, caregivers, etc. That said. I don't determine pay rates for coaches at any level, college or pro. I was simply offering info as to how high salaries are generally. So please don't use sarcasm back @ me. I understand how you feel. I don't want to argue. You're talking someone who donates to a small division 3 women's team in addition to Cal and my undergraduate alma mater. My D3 team is actually playing in their NCAA tourney today, a college of 1500. I love women's sports and supporting young women who have wonderful opportunities to play and compete at every level.

I like Charmin. I like Carrie and I like Michelle. Go Bears. Go Crimson. Go Blues. Onward and upward.

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BearBint said:

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annarborbear said:

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CalWSportsFan said:

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It is great that our team has loyal fans like you. But we had even more fans when we were going to NCAA tournaments almost every year under Gottlieb and Boyle.

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This is not about coaching per se, but about the whole system of college sports slowly becoming a semi-pro system, just as our universities have slowly become corporations. (The fact that transferred athletes can now immediately play, rather than sitting a year, does not help. Covid was probably a factor, too.)

Cal has never been a longstanding "elite" program, but Boyle and Gottlieb coached cohesive four-year teams; Smith has not enjoyed that advantage.

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HoopDreams said:

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The bigger issue with Layshia Clarendon is she has no coaching experience. She would be a great assistant but I doubt she would be interested. I think she is a great color person and who knows how far that could take her.

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wvitbear said:

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The biggest problem is the way the NCAA is structured. If you are going to be professionals then you should model after what professional teams do which is have a salary cap, have a draft to help the weaker teams. But instead we have the Michigan model which is ruining it for everyone else.

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It is great that our team has loyal fans like you. But we had even more fans when we were going to NCAA tournaments almost every year under Gottlieb and Boyle. I remember when we had 10,000 fans at a game against Stanford under Boyle, and 9000 fans at a game against Baylor and Britney Griner under Gottlieb. The fan potential is still out there for a nationally relevant team.

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BearBint said:

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It is great that our team has loyal fans like you. But we had even more fans when we were going to NCAA tournaments almost every year under Gottlieb and Boyle. I remember when we had 10,000 fans at a game against Stanford under Boyle, and 9000 fans at a game against Baylor and Britney Griner under Gottlieb. The fan potential is still out there for a nationally relevant team.

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Interesting point; apart from the fact that Stanford and Griner were big draws, I wonder how Cal WBB was being marketed back then? I see what appear to be more students in the north bleachers these days, but no real change. "Bring a freakin' friend" is not enough.

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wvitbear said:

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Last years team had more turnovers than this years team and were signicantly better. 18 last year and 16 this year per game. 15 a game when we were horrible.

The Golden State Warriors for years have been a high turnover team And they won a championship doing it.

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annarborbear said:

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wvitbear said:

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Last years team had more turnovers than this years team and were signicantly better. 18 last year and 16 this year per game. 15 a game when we were horrible.

The Golden State Warriors for years have been a high turnover team And they won a championship doing it.

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The stats to look at are TO's and points off of turnovers against good teams in important games. That is where it really hurts us. Last year's 5 assists and 24 TO's in our NCAA tournament game was the worst I have seen. And yesterday's first half against Syracuse was an instant replay.

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gwashburn14 said:

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I think the primary issue with Charmin's teams and turnovers is Cal has been mistake prone regardless of the personnel under her tenure. It's a coaching issue. Against Syracuse a few days ago, there was mistakes such as stepping inbounds before making the inbounds pass, or going 1-on-3 on a break and losing the dribble. Against Mississippi State in last year's tournament, Suarez had eight turnovers in 26 minutes, three of those were on inbounds passes, including running the baseline after a turnover. That is coaching.

When an individual player usually commits a slew of turnovers, they get benched. And maybe I am wrong but I just don't see the discipline where players know if they aren't careful with the ball and make the right play, they're getting benched. Charmin appears to take the turnovers in stride and opposing coaches know the more you pressure Cal, the more mistakes they will make. And the passes in the post is an entirely different issue. The passes to bigs are sloppy and below average at best. I would presume 40 percent of Cal's turnovers are from unforced passes to bigs but it seems the coaching staff doesn't levy any playing time discipline there. Syracuse scored 15 points off turnovers in the first quarter on Wednesday. That lost Cal the game. Sometime has to change with ball security and unforced mistakes.

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*The mid-range shot is rare because it must be made a high percentage to be a worthwhile shots. The three primary scoring areas are at the rim, beyond the three and from the free-throw line. A player who is consistent at those three spots can add a mid-range, but unless a player is an exceptional shooter -- as Clarendon was -- the mid-range jumper will lose you more games than it will win you.

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HoopDreams said:

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Since Kristine Anigwe, a dominant center and rebounder, Cal offense has been designed to get the ball inside.

Perhaps it's helpful to recruit talented bigs as we've had quite a few good ones.

But I also don't like the constant passes to the post, especially when the defense is set, and ESPECIALLY when we stare down the post and pass against a double/triple

Even if that very risky pass gets through it's not going to be a high percentage shot

Of course in that situation playing inside out might work but we aren't very consistent with that either

The other way we have a ton of turnovers is when a player drives but can't get all the way to the basket. They usually stop their dribble and have no where to go so they try to make an ill advised pass. To improve that players need to keep their dribble and be able to back out, but ball handling is also a weakness on our team

The only strong passer on this team is Maul because she makes passes within the rhythm of the offense and often accurate passes when no one is expecting it

But this season I'm not sure Coach had a choice as this current team has too many weaknesses. But I think the only way to change the offense is to hire a new assistant coach and also sign more shooters

The season has been disappointing as we didn't make the NCAA, but if we had won some of the close games we could have slipped in. That's better than I expected after watching the team early in the season. They improved throughout the year.

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