Gabby Green update

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kat0189
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Duke is now out of the running for Gabby Green as their final 2014 scholarships were claimed by Sierra Calhoun and Lynee Belton (just today).

A poster previously said she was down to Cal, Duke, & Tennessee (per an allegedly reliable source).

I am encouraged by this development and like our position, if indeed she is down to a final two that includes us.
kat0189
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I think if Jamie Nared verbals to Tennessee (they are apparently recruiting her hard) that would also help us. However, Nared does not appear to be in a rush decide (nor does Gabby for that matter). Tennessee lost elite combo guard Janah Tucker from '13 for "personal reasons" but they have a RS-Frosh PG in Andraya Carter whom their fans are excited about for taking over the PG duties this year. They also have a verbal from 2014 PG local top 30 Alexa Middleton and incoming SG Jordan Reynolds (for whom there are mixed opinions about).
stu
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Good news! I don't think Tennessee can claim to be academically equal to Cal.
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kat0189;842148762 said:

Duke is now out of the running for Gabby Green as their final 2014 scholarships were claimed by Sierra Calhoun and Lynee Belton (just today).

A poster previously said she was down to Cal, Duke, & Tennessee (per an allegedly reliable source).

I am encouraged by this development and like our position, if indeed she is down to a final two that includes us.


Actually they have one 2014 remaining, but they might use that as a reward for Frush who is a walkon who has been playing 2 years on her own dime.
kat0189
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Chris Roemer ‏@ChrisJRoemer 20m
Recently tweeted list for 2014 top ranked wing Gabby Green of colleges: Cal, Rutgers, Tenn, Ohio St, LSU @cgbr27
iminoc
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kat0189;842149228 said:

Chris Roemer ‏@ChrisJRoemer 20m
Recently tweeted list for 2014 top ranked wing Gabby Green of colleges: Cal, Rutgers, Tenn, Ohio St, LSU @cgbr27


Only Cal on the west coast?
Geez, please dont be another that goes away.
kat0189
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We may only be recruiting three players at this point: Gabby, Drummer, and Simon. I would be thrilled if we can sign all 3 of them. Not sure about Morgan Green b/c of Asha Thomas and Bri Moore in 2015. Mandy Coleman appears to be heading out of state -- maybe Oklahoma State specifically. I don't think we're going after Ayanna Edwards and I'm not sure what her list is. I know she had an early offer from UCLA.
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kat0189;842149228 said:

Chris Roemer ‏@ChrisJRoemer 20m
Recently tweeted list for 2014 top ranked wing Gabby Green of colleges: Cal, Rutgers, Tenn, Ohio St, LSU @cgbr27


Personally not getting a good feeling on Gabby. Cal, I believe has always been on her list but now she seems to keep adding others to her list when other schools drops off when they filled up their quotas. Can't see her going to Ohio St, who recently signed the Mitchell sisters (guards).
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Cal has 13 players on its roster this season. Four seniors, five juniors & four freshmen. The lack of a sophomore class doesn't help...

After this season, Cal graduates Genn Brandon, Afure Jemerigbe, Mikayla Lyles & Cohen. When the junior class departs, the Bears lose Brittany Boyd, Brittany Shine, Reshanda Gray, Justine Hartman & Kyra Dunn. In only 2 years, Cal will lose ALL four legit post players. Also PG Boyd is the engine of the team!

Mikayla Cowling is a great 6'1" SF prospect but she is the only recruit to date to fill *9-11* open roster spots over the next two recruiting cycles. Help!

Several other teams are adding quality personnel faster than Gottlieb & Co through a combination of transfers & recruits. This staff NEEDS to land Gabby Green to make Cal's 2014 class solid. If Drummer opts for UCLA, the Bruins will have 4 top thirty recruits.

Why is Cal pursuing so few recruits for the class of 2014? I just don't see the Bears being able to replace the inside post play-the big four-that has been Cal's calling card (identity). Might they have to change the type of team that they are going forward following 2014-2015?

GO BEARS!
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kat0189;842149237 said:

We may only be recruiting three players at this point: Gabby, Drummer, and Simon. I would be thrilled if we can sign all 3 of them. Not sure about Morgan Green b/c of Asha Thomas and Bri Moore in 2015. Mandy Coleman appears to be heading out of state -- maybe Oklahoma State specifically. I don't think we're going after Ayanna Edwards and I'm not sure what her list is. I know she had an early offer from UCLA.


Hope you guys are able to pull in Simon, at least. She's apparently eliminated my Bruins from contention, according to a recent Roemer tweet, and the only other west coast team on her list (besides y'all) are the trojans (to go with Louisville, Ohio State and Texas).

Good luck to you Bears.

Patrick Meighan
UCLA Class of '95
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patsweetpat;842149285 said:

Hope you guys are able to pull in Simon, at least. She's apparently eliminated my Bruins from contention, according to a recent Roemer tweet, and the only other west coast team on her list (besides y'all) are the trojans (to go with Louisville, Ohio State and Texas).

Good luck to you Bears.

Patrick Meighan
UCLA Class of '95


Nevermind. I just saw that you guys are all over this on a different thread. Still, good luck.
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Schroeder71;842149267 said:

Cal has 13 players on its roster this season. Four seniors, five juniors & four freshmen. The lack of a sophomore class doesn't help...

After this season, Cal graduates Genn Brandon, Afure Jemerigbe, Mikayla Lyles & Cohen. When the junior class departs, the Bears lose Brittany Boyd, Brittany Shine, Reshanda Gray, Justine Hartman & Kyra Dunn. In only 2 years, Cal will lose ALL four legit post players. Also PG Boyd is the engine of the team!

Mikayla Cowling is a great 6'1" SF prospect but she is the only recruit to date to fill *9-11* open roster spots over the next two recruiting cycles. Help!

Several other teams are adding quality personnel faster than Gottlieb & Co through a combination of transfers & recruits. This staff NEEDS to land Gabby Green to make Cal's 2014 class solid. If Drummer opts for UCLA, the Bruins will have 4 top thirty recruits.

Why is Cal pursuing so few recruits for the class of 2014? I just don't see the Bears being able to replace the inside post play-the big four-that has been Cal's calling card (identity). Might they have to change the type of team that they are going forward following 2014-2015?

GO BEARS!


Not that worried about guards (for reasons which will become apparent), as I am as to who will be the Bigs. I just have not heard a lot of names of Bigs being bandied about. Anyone have some ideas?
kat0189
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I still think this upcoming 13-14 team will be BETTER than last year's team with the main reason being my expectations for Reshanda Gray to have a breakout year. I thought we would maintain that level through 14-15 but since Justin Hartman has not lived up to her HS ranking, I am not as optimistic, but I could easily see Boyd/Gray going out with a bang as a senior tandem. After Boyd, Gray, Hartman, Shine, and Dunn graduate, we already have a solid nucleus of juniors for 15-16 in Range, Waters, Jefflo, and Ben Abdelkader and sophomore Cowling. That is already a Sweet 16-caliber team, IMHO, and I do not consider a Sweet 16 finish a disappointment considering where Cal was 10 years ago, and adding Green, Simon, and Drummer will immediately elevate that forecast. We are not UConn, but I still see a steady and potentially bright future for Cal.

It does appear that Gottlieb (like Boyle) is a selective recruiter, especially when it comes to local talent. She seems to have taken a calculated risk in not pursuing or not pursuing that hard Moore, Hayes, Romeo, Coleman, and Edwards and focusing on Green, Drummer, and Simon. It's a high risk, high reward strategy. I have noticed patterns in the Gottlieb, Boyle, Goestenkors coaching tree w/r/t recruiting, and not much of our current recruiting surprises me. We are Gabby Green, LaJahna Drummer, Kristen Simon or bust. But even if we bust, I still think we have Sweet 16 talent. That's a nice safety net.
kat0189
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Plus, I am cautiously expecting Gabby Green to go to Cal. I will be fairly stunned if she does not, to be honest, based on how the dominoes are dropping. We are the one mainstay on her list. Ironically, Gabby Green and Jordan Adams have been compared as players and their recruiting processes also seem to be similar. With no disrespect or criticism to either of them, I sort of sense that keeping Tennessee on their lists for so long has/had more to do with ego and the glamor of being recruited be "THE Lady Vols."
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I think Green has to be a priority recruit. I like our chances, but don't have a good sense for this.

I am however puzzled why Cal is not pulling in tons of top recruits after their Final Four run, which showcased Gottlieb's coaching style. It's also clear that Gottlieb wants to play fast, which should appeal to the elite players.

I know it will also be tough to recruit against the top powerhouse programs who fill their arenas every game, but we shouldn't be losing recruits to many of the west coast programs, including ucla.
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HoopDreams;842149603 said:

I think Green has to be a priority recruit. I like our chances, but don't have a good sense for this.

I am however puzzled why Cal is not pulling in tons of top recruits after their Final Four run, which showcased Gottlieb's coaching style. It's also clear that Gottlieb wants to play fast, which should appeal to the elite players.

I know it will also be tough to recruit against the top powerhouse programs who fill their arenas every game, but we shouldn't be losing recruits to many of the west coast programs, including ucla.


At a fairly recent Cal event I talked to Lindsay at some length about recruiting. My post regarding that discussion is here somewhere. From that discussion I can say that Gabby Green is the priority recruit. Drummer is right up there too. I did not mention Simon by name, so I can't say on that one. I was pretty obvious that Green and Cowling were the two most sought-after 2014's for Cal. Moore and the others were not that heavily recruited by Cal and I am not even sure that any of them had Cal offers. Lindsay made it crystal clear that she offers only top-notch players who also fit into the Cal program. When I mentioned the deep talent locally, she made a statement that she is not assembling an All-star team. It was about as clear as could be that Lindsay is targeting only the best that also fit the Cal mold.

So, I would not look at the locals committing elsewhere as losses for Cal. Losing Green would be a loss. Based on what Lindsay told me, I would be surprised if Green does not go to Cal. She is exactly the elite level player that Lindsay wants at Cal. Seems like Cal is a good fit for Gabby and her family has a good relationship with the program, which does matter. I don't think Green is a lock for Cal, but I like where we stand with her.

Before elite players start breaking down the doors to get into Cal, it will take some additional success beyond the Final Four appearance this year. Most teams that attract the level of player Lindsay wants at Cal have offers from a number of teams with better pedigree than Cal. Duke, UConn, Furd, Baylor, are just a few of those teams. At this point, Lindsay and staff have to work extra hard to get the Gabby Greens of the world to buy into what they are selling. It has worked for other programs, so why not Cal? Cal has an attractive product to sell.

ucla got one player that we wanted, Canada. Caldwell was not pursued by our staff. Neither was the girl from the south bay. However, I respect ucla as a recruiting foe. Drummer will most likely choose between Cal, sc and ucla. That will be an interesting recruiting battle.

At this point we trust in the staff and their professional evaluations and hope for the best. Getting Green, Drummer, Simon and Cowling would be awesome and a Top-10 recruiting class. These are exactly the type of players we need to become a Final Four threat every year.

PS: don't trip on PG. There are some very good ones in the 2015 class. Plus, I would bet Lindsay is after more than just Green, Drummer and Simon. Plus, if those three get on board with Cowling, Cal will be a magnet for PG's, 2014 and 2015. It's still a ways until LOI day.
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Watching Moore play this summer I would call her the ultimate team player. Which is not true of o e you mention here. Of course they are kids and mature. Agree Lindsay must be recruiting more. One is Billings per her video interview of yesterday.
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GOCAL73;842149683 said:

At a fairly recent Cal event I talked to Lindsay at some length about recruiting. My post regarding that discussion is here somewhere. From that discussion I can say that Gabby Green is the priority recruit. Drummer is right up there too. I did not mention Simon by name, so I can't say on that one. I was pretty obvious that Green and Cowling were the two most sought-after 2014's for Cal. Moore and the others were not that heavily recruited by Cal and I am not even sure that any of them had Cal offers. Lindsay made it crystal clear that she offers only top-notch players who also fit into the Cal program. When I mentioned the deep talent locally, she made a statement that she is not assembling an All-star team. It was about as clear as could be that Lindsay is targeting only the best that also fit the Cal mold.

So, I would not look at the locals committing elsewhere as losses for Cal. Losing Green would be a loss. Based on what Lindsay told me, I would be surprised if Green does not go to Cal. She is exactly the elite level player that Lindsay wants at Cal. Seems like Cal is a good fit for Gabby and her family has a good relationship with the program, which does matter. I don't think Green is a lock for Cal, but I like where we stand with her.

Before elite players start breaking down the doors to get into Cal, it will take some additional success beyond the Final Four appearance this year. Most teams that attract the level of player Lindsay wants at Cal have offers from a number of teams with better pedigree than Cal. Duke, UConn, Furd, Baylor, are just a few of those teams. At this point, Lindsay and staff have to work extra hard to get the Gabby Greens of the world to buy into what they are selling. It has worked for other programs, so why not Cal? Cal has an attractive product to sell.

ucla got one player that we wanted, Canada. Caldwell was not pursued by our staff. Neither was the girl from the south bay. However, I respect ucla as a recruiting foe. Drummer will most likely choose between Cal, sc and ucla. That will be an interesting recruiting battle.

At this point we trust in the staff and their professional evaluations and hope for the best. Getting Green, Drummer, Simon and Cowling would be awesome and a Top-10 recruiting class. These are exactly the type of players we need to become a Final Four threat every year.

PS: don't trip on PG. There are some very good ones in the 2015 class. Plus, I would bet Lindsay is after more than just Green, Drummer and Simon. Plus, if those three get on board with Cowling, Cal will be a magnet for PG's, 2014 and 2015. It's still a ways until LOI day.

Great post! Thank you.
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bobbk;842149695 said:

Watching Moore play this summer I would call her the ultimate team player. Which is not true of o e you mention here. Of course they are kids and mature. Agree Lindsay must be recruiting more. One is Billings per her video interview of yesterday.


I get what you are saying about Moore. Loved her each time I saw her play. Dominate player on her team but did everything within the team context. However, she's not every program's cup of tea.

As for Green, I see tremendous upside. When watching St Mary's play, Cowling always appears as the more mature, polished player. Then Green does stuff that makes me stand up and notice. I'm sure Lindsay is thinking what she and her staff can do with Gabby's talent. Hope Green becomes a Bear so we can see first-hand how she developes as she matures. I think she will be a special player for us.
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I agree with most everything you said GoCal save for one small quibble with this "Most teams that attract the level of player Lindsay wants at Cal have offers from a number of teams with better pedigree than Cal. Duke, UConn, Furd, Baylor, are just a few of those teams."

Baylor is a good basketball school these days but I don't have the feeling we are competing for the same athletes. The experience (academically and otherwise) is likely to be quite different....

I do think the dismay over our lack of recruits thus far has, as you note, much more to do with who we are recruiting (and prioritizing) and not that we've lost out on any player we truly were hoping to get.

:Lindsay
HoopDreams
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GoCal -- I do remember your post a while back. Thanks for recounting some of that again here. I was just hoping that we'd at least get the Final Four bounce, and as I said, it wasn't just the success of the team to get there, but it was also a showcase for our Coaches' style. From the outside, Lindsay and staff just look like the type of coaches that players would want to play for.

The team also look like they are having fun, and it's also cool how they use media in creative ways to show the team as people, not just athletes.


GOCAL73;842149683 said:

At a fairly recent Cal event I talked to Lindsay at some length about recruiting. My post regarding that discussion is here somewhere. From that discussion I can say that Gabby Green is the priority recruit. Drummer is right up there too. I did not mention Simon by name, so I can't say on that one. I was pretty obvious that Green and Cowling were the two most sought-after 2014's for Cal. Moore and the others were not that heavily recruited by Cal and I am not even sure that any of them had Cal offers. Lindsay made it crystal clear that she offers only top-notch players who also fit into the Cal program. When I mentioned the deep talent locally, she made a statement that she is not assembling an All-star team. It was about as clear as could be that Lindsay is targeting only the best that also fit the Cal mold.

So, I would not look at the locals committing elsewhere as losses for Cal. Losing Green would be a loss. Based on what Lindsay told me, I would be surprised if Green does not go to Cal. She is exactly the elite level player that Lindsay wants at Cal. Seems like Cal is a good fit for Gabby and her family has a good relationship with the program, which does matter. I don't think Green is a lock for Cal, but I like where we stand with her.

Before elite players start breaking down the doors to get into Cal, it will take some additional success beyond the Final Four appearance this year. Most teams that attract the level of player Lindsay wants at Cal have offers from a number of teams with better pedigree than Cal. Duke, UConn, Furd, Baylor, are just a few of those teams. At this point, Lindsay and staff have to work extra hard to get the Gabby Greens of the world to buy into what they are selling. It has worked for other programs, so why not Cal? Cal has an attractive product to sell.

ucla got one player that we wanted, Canada. Caldwell was not pursued by our staff. Neither was the girl from the south bay. However, I respect ucla as a recruiting foe. Drummer will most likely choose between Cal, sc and ucla. That will be an interesting recruiting battle.

At this point we trust in the staff and their professional evaluations and hope for the best. Getting Green, Drummer, Simon and Cowling would be awesome and a Top-10 recruiting class. These are exactly the type of players we need to become a Final Four threat every year.

PS: don't trip on PG. There are some very good ones in the 2015 class. Plus, I would bet Lindsay is after more than just Green, Drummer and Simon. Plus, if those three get on board with Cowling, Cal will be a magnet for PG's, 2014 and 2015. It's still a ways until LOI day.
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CalWBBFan;842149752 said:

I agree with most everything you said GoCal save for one small quibble with this "Most teams that attract the level of player Lindsay wants at Cal have offers from a number of teams with better pedigree than Cal. Duke, UConn, Furd, Baylor, are just a few of those teams."

Baylor is a good basketball school these days but I don't have the feeling we are competing for the same athletes. The experience (academically and otherwise) is likely to be quite different....

I do think the dismay over our lack of recruits thus far has, as you note, much more to do with who we are recruiting (and prioritizing) and not that we've lost out on any player we truly were hoping to get.

:Lindsay


The teams I cited were the teams Lindsay mentioned. I think the experiences at all these schools are quite different than what a player is likely to find at Cal. No reason to single out Baylor.
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Well, given what Ms. Griner had to say post-Baylor and due to past issues with the institution itself and their approach to cultural diversity, I singled them out. Just my opinion, no one else has to agree....
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