Vaccine Redux - Vax up and go to Class

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In reply to Cal88 • 12:21p, 5/8/25
Cal88 said:
^Garbage in, garbage out, that is often how AI works.

ChatGPT on the mRNA vaccines:

expected death rate from mRNA vaccine

ChatGPT said:
The expected death rate from mRNA COVID-19 vaccines (such as Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna) is extremely low:

Expected Death Rate (mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines)
  • Estimated rate:
    ~0.2 to 2 deaths per million doses administered

Details
  • Most reported deaths after vaccination are not caused by the vaccine. Post-vaccine deaths often occur in frail, elderly, or seriously ill individuals, where background mortality is high.
  • Extensive safety monitoring by systems like:
    • VAERS (U.S.)
    • Yellow Card Scheme (U.K.)
    • EudraVigilance (EU)
      confirms that causal deaths directly linked to mRNA vaccines are exceptionally rare.

Known Rare Risks
  • Myocarditis/pericarditis (mostly in young males, after 2nd dose):
    • Risk: ~1240 cases per million doses
    • Deaths: Extremely rare, typically recoverable
  • Anaphylaxis:
    • ~25 per million doses
    • Deaths: Avoidable with immediate treatment


Studies have found the myocarditis rates for mRNA vaccines to be as high as 1 in 35 among young people. Contrast with the ChatGPT number above of the order of 1 in 500,000


No, you don't get to play that card. Rejected.

Don't conflate the COVID vaccine issues with that BS chart. Go ahead and bring them up, but not as a defense of a laughably flawed numerical analysis.

Furthermore, my post pre-AI post absolutely shows how faulty it is. 1/trillion? Get out of here with that garbage.
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In reply to Haloski • 12:26p, 5/8/25
Haloski said:
Cal88 said:
^Garbage in, garbage out, that is often how AI works.

ChatGPT on the mRNA vaccines:

expected death rate from mRNA vaccine

ChatGPT said:
The expected death rate from mRNA COVID-19 vaccines (such as Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna) is extremely low:

Expected Death Rate (mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines)
  • Estimated rate:
    ~0.2 to 2 deaths per million doses administered

Details
  • Most reported deaths after vaccination are not caused by the vaccine. Post-vaccine deaths often occur in frail, elderly, or seriously ill individuals, where background mortality is high.
  • Extensive safety monitoring by systems like:
    • VAERS (U.S.)
    • Yellow Card Scheme (U.K.)
    • EudraVigilance (EU)
      confirms that causal deaths directly linked to mRNA vaccines are exceptionally rare.

Known Rare Risks
  • Myocarditis/pericarditis (mostly in young males, after 2nd dose):
    • Risk: ~1240 cases per million doses
    • Deaths: Extremely rare, typically recoverable
  • Anaphylaxis:
    • ~25 per million doses
    • Deaths: Avoidable with immediate treatment


Studies have found the myocarditis rates for mRNA vaccines to be as high as 1 in 35 among young people. Contrast with the ChatGPT number above of the order of 1 in 500,000


No, you don't get to play that card. Rejected.

Don't conflate the COVID vaccine issues with that BS chart. Go ahead and bring them up, but not as a defense of a laughably flawed numerical analysis.

Furthermore, my post pre-AI post absolutely shows how faulty it is. 1/trillion? Get out of here with that garbage.

The arguments returned by ChatGPT are surprisingly mundane, most likely extracted from a partisan vulgarization site.

1/trillion is essentially a statistical representation of zero.

What was your major at Cal, rhetoric?
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In reply to Cal88 • 12:35p, 5/8/25
Cal88 said:
Haloski said:
Cal88 said:
^Garbage in, garbage out, that is often how AI works.

ChatGPT on the mRNA vaccines:

expected death rate from mRNA vaccine

ChatGPT said:
The expected death rate from mRNA COVID-19 vaccines (such as Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna) is extremely low:

Expected Death Rate (mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines)
  • Estimated rate:
    ~0.2 to 2 deaths per million doses administered

Details
  • Most reported deaths after vaccination are not caused by the vaccine. Post-vaccine deaths often occur in frail, elderly, or seriously ill individuals, where background mortality is high.
  • Extensive safety monitoring by systems like:
    • VAERS (U.S.)
    • Yellow Card Scheme (U.K.)
    • EudraVigilance (EU)
      confirms that causal deaths directly linked to mRNA vaccines are exceptionally rare.

Known Rare Risks
  • Myocarditis/pericarditis (mostly in young males, after 2nd dose):
    • Risk: ~1240 cases per million doses
    • Deaths: Extremely rare, typically recoverable
  • Anaphylaxis:
    • ~25 per million doses
    • Deaths: Avoidable with immediate treatment


Studies have found the myocarditis rates for mRNA vaccines to be as high as 1 in 35 among young people. Contrast with the ChatGPT number above of the order of 1 in 500,000


No, you don't get to play that card. Rejected.

Don't conflate the COVID vaccine issues with that BS chart. Go ahead and bring them up, but not as a defense of a laughably flawed numerical analysis.

Furthermore, my post pre-AI post absolutely shows how faulty it is. 1/trillion? Get out of here with that garbage.

The arguments returned by ChatGPT are surprisingly mundane, most likely extracted from a partisan vulgarization site.

1/trillion is essentially a statistical representation of zero.

What was your major at Cal, rhetoric?


Right. So you're saying that you think a polio infection carries a zero percent risk of death in an unvaccinated individual?

What was your major, binge drinking?
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In reply to Cal88 • 12:38p, 5/8/25
Cal88 said:
Haloski said:
Cal88 said:
^Garbage in, garbage out, that is often how AI works.

ChatGPT on the mRNA vaccines:

expected death rate from mRNA vaccine

ChatGPT said:
The expected death rate from mRNA COVID-19 vaccines (such as Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna) is extremely low:

Expected Death Rate (mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines)
  • Estimated rate:
    ~0.2 to 2 deaths per million doses administered

Details
  • Most reported deaths after vaccination are not caused by the vaccine. Post-vaccine deaths often occur in frail, elderly, or seriously ill individuals, where background mortality is high.
  • Extensive safety monitoring by systems like:
    • VAERS (U.S.)
    • Yellow Card Scheme (U.K.)
    • EudraVigilance (EU)
      confirms that causal deaths directly linked to mRNA vaccines are exceptionally rare.

Known Rare Risks
  • Myocarditis/pericarditis (mostly in young males, after 2nd dose):
    • Risk: ~1240 cases per million doses
    • Deaths: Extremely rare, typically recoverable
  • Anaphylaxis:
    • ~25 per million doses
    • Deaths: Avoidable with immediate treatment


Studies have found the myocarditis rates for mRNA vaccines to be as high as 1 in 35 among young people. Contrast with the ChatGPT number above of the order of 1 in 500,000


No, you don't get to play that card. Rejected.

Don't conflate the COVID vaccine issues with that BS chart. Go ahead and bring them up, but not as a defense of a laughably flawed numerical analysis.

Furthermore, my post pre-AI post absolutely shows how faulty it is. 1/trillion? Get out of here with that garbage.

The arguments returned by ChatGPT are surprisingly mundane, most likely extracted from a partisan vulgarization site.

1/trillion is essentially a statistical representation of zero.

What was your major at Cal, rhetoric?


How can you claim vulgarization when the chart you linked to is the least nuanced/context aware presentation of that data possible?
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12:40p, 5/8/25
There are major questions and concerns about COVID and the vaccines. This is all valid to question, but hardly settled.

That chart, on the other hand, is absolute idiocy.
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In reply to Haloski • 1:36p, 5/8/25
Haloski said:
There are major questions and concerns about COVID and the vaccines. This is all valid to question, but hardly settled.

That chart, on the other hand, is absolute idiocy.

That chart is, at the very least, a good starting point about the fact that vaccines need to be evaluated in terms of the risks and benefits they represent, an essential point that was completely ignored in the formulation of covid mandates, for example for colleges, where the potential damage to students from the mRNA vaccines heavily outweigh potential benefits.

And n the subject of Polio, vaccination campaigns in countries like India have been abject failures from that perspective as well.

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In reply to Cal88 • 4:43p, 5/8/25
Cal88 said:
Haloski said:
There are major questions and concerns about COVID and the vaccines. This is all valid to question, but hardly settled.

That chart, on the other hand, is absolute idiocy.

That chart is, at the very least, a good starting point about the fact that vaccines need to be evaluated in terms of the risks and benefits they represent, an essential point that was completely ignored in the formulation of covid mandates, for example for colleges, where the potential damage to students from the mRNA vaccines heavily outweigh potential benefits.

And n the subject of Polio, vaccination campaigns in countries like India have been abject failures from that perspective as well.

I know Bill Gates is the Boogeyman under your bed, but there's nothing unique with him and the oral polio vaccine. Oral polio vaccination was done in the US back in the early 1960s. I remember getting the sugar cube. Where all the hundreds of thousands of paralyzed 60 something Americans?
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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 9:54a, 5/9/25
You're assuming you've had the same vaccine as the ones administered decades later in India.
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4:01p, 5/9/25

Federal funding of gain-of-function research banned.
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5:29p, 5/9/25
A lot of people have been saying that the POTUS is going to attend the University of San Francisco Commencement Ceremony and do an introduction.

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7:21p, 5/14/25
RFK Jr. undercuts everything he's been crusading about for the last 5+ years

"What I would say is my opinions about vaccines are irrelevant. I don't want to seem like I am being evasive but I don't think people should be taking medical advice from me."

- Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to a House Appropriations Subcommittee
May 14, 2025
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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 7:28p, 5/14/25
"I don't think people should be taking medical advice from me."

A handful of guys on this forum do, and from whack jobs like him.

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In reply to bear2034 • 9:37p, 5/15/25
BREAKING: RFK's HHS to stop recommending COVID shots for children, teenagers, pregnant women, Trump, all Trump family members, J.D. Vance and all members of the Cabinet - WSJ

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7:02p, 5/16/25
Jesuits to MAGA: SUCK ON THIS!

https://abc7news.com/post/dr-anthony-fauci-addresses-university-san-francisco-graduates/16440734/
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In reply to bearister • 8:14p, 5/16/25
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Jesuits to MAGA: SUCK ON THIS!

https://abc7news.com/post/dr-anthony-fauci-addresses-university-san-francisco-graduates/16440734/


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In reply to bearister • 6:47a, 5/17/25
USF was one of the very last schools to maintain their downright criminal mRNA vaccine mandate on their student population, it is no wonder that a fraud like Fauci ends up being honored there in 2025.
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In reply to Cal88 • 9:07a, 5/17/25
When Kevin Foster, the leading scorer in Bay Area Div. 1 hoop history, got a DUI when he was at Santa Clara, the Jesuits suspended him from the team for the year, resulting in the basketball season cratering.

Name a single college that would demonstrate that level of integrity.

I'm a fan of the Jesuits, not much of a fan of anyone in your stable, but we can continue to agree to disagree like gentlemen and enjoy discussing the interests we have in common.
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In reply to bearister • 2:06p, 5/17/25
bearister said:
When Kevin Foster, the leading scorer in Bay Area Div. 1 hoop history, got a DUI when he was at Santa Clara, the Jesuits suspended him from the team for the year, resulting in the basketball season cratering.

Name a single college that would demonstrate that level of integrity.

I'm a fan of the Jesuits, not much of a fan of anyone in your stable, but we can continue to agree to disagree like gentlemen and enjoy discussing the interests we have in common.


The Jesuits did do a lot of awesome things, from their missions with the Guarani in 18th century Paraguay to the way they run the basketball program down in the South Bay, but the Brothers on the hilltop mandating a vaccine that has been shown to be dangerous to young people is not something to add to their long illustrious pantheon.
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In reply to bearister • 2:25p
bearister said:
"I don't think people should be taking medical advice from me."

A handful of guys on this forum do, and from whack jobs like him.

I get my medical advice from the NY Times, not.

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If you anti vaxxers or any of your loved ones, God forbid, get ill with a disease, don't seek help at Stanford, Mayo Clinic or UCSF, because they are corrupt shills for Big Pharma acting against your best health interests.

Perhaps Dr. Ladapo or one of your Substack medical experts can get you hooked up.

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