Vaccine Redux - Vax up and go to Class

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In reply to wraptor347 • 5:50a, 1/20/22
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Only 19% of authors in NEJM and JAMA properly disclosed the payments they got.


They only looked at 31 articles... That seems like a ridiculously small sample to be drawing such broad conclusions from. I can't see much more without making an account, but what i could see was not particularly compelling.
It doesn't matter. oski0003's argument is failing so now it is time to discredit the institutions.
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In reply to dajo9 • 5:56a, 1/20/22
dajo9 said:
wraptor347 said:
oski003 said:


Only 19% of authors in NEJM and JAMA properly disclosed the payments they got.


They only looked at 31 articles... That seems like a ridiculously small sample to be drawing such broad conclusions from. I can't see much more without making an account, but what i could see was not particularly compelling.
It doesn't matter. oski0003's argument is failing so now it is time to discredit the institutions.


Looking at 31 articles is quite a bit as they are analyzing each contributing author. Your critique is fair but hardly damning.

Dajo, I have been posting about the tit for tat in this process for a long time. The corruption is clear.
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2:44p, 1/20/22
American Airlines flight to London turns around over mask dispute - Axios


https://www.axios.com/american-airlines-passenger-mask-dispute-miami-d56b10c8-0a46-4012-a5ab-05137701fb62.html


*If the gal has a pot to p@iss in, the airline should sue the mother f'er in a civil suit for damages.
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12:17p, 1/21/22
Covid reinfection: how likely are you to catch virus multiple times?


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/21/covid-reinfection-how-likely-are-you-to-catch-virus-multiple-times?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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3:53p, 1/21/22
Major news dropped today on natural immunity
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In reply to MinotStateBeav • 4:54p, 1/21/22
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Major news dropped today on natural immunity


" The study has limits namely, it was done before the omicron wave and doesn't factor in any information about boosters. It does, however, broadly agree with studies from other countries.

Vaccines were more effective at preventing infection or serious illness than natural immunity from prior infections before the delta variant became the dominant strain. After delta became the main strain, vaccines alone grew weaker against the virus and natural immunity got much stronger. This could be due in large part to the fact that vaccines began wearing off around the time delta spread, according to the study...

The effectiveness of natural immunity with omicron, however, is not fully understood yet. The CDC warns both vaccines and natural immunity have declined with the new dominant variant."
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In reply to bearister • 5:02p, 1/21/22
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MinotStateBeav said:
Major news dropped today on natural immunity


" The study has limits namely, it was done before the omicron wave and doesn't factor in any information about boosters. It does, however, broadly agree with studies from other countries.

Vaccines were more effective at preventing infection or serious illness than natural immunity from prior infections before the delta variant became the dominant strain. After delta became the main strain, vaccines alone grew weaker against the virus and natural immunity got much stronger. This could be due in large part to the fact that vaccines began wearing off around the time delta spread, according to the study...

The effectiveness of natural immunity with omicron, however, is not fully understood yet. The CDC warns both vaccines and natural immunity have declined with the new dominant variant."


"After delta became the main strain, vaccines alone grew weaker against the virus and natural immunity got much stronger."

Since vaccines wore off, does that mean natural immunity lasts longer than mRNA vaccines? I think it does.
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5:34p, 1/21/22
Covid booster shots effective against severe illness from omicron, CDC studies say


https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/booster-shots-effective-severe-illness-omicron-rcna13038
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna13038
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In reply to oski003 • 6:03p, 1/21/22
oski003 said:
bearister said:
MinotStateBeav said:
Major news dropped today on natural immunity


" The study has limits namely, it was done before the omicron wave and doesn't factor in any information about boosters. It does, however, broadly agree with studies from other countries.

Vaccines were more effective at preventing infection or serious illness than natural immunity from prior infections before the delta variant became the dominant strain. After delta became the main strain, vaccines alone grew weaker against the virus and natural immunity got much stronger. This could be due in large part to the fact that vaccines began wearing off around the time delta spread, according to the study...

The effectiveness of natural immunity with omicron, however, is not fully understood yet. The CDC warns both vaccines and natural immunity have declined with the new dominant variant."


"After delta became the main strain, vaccines alone grew weaker against the virus and natural immunity got much stronger."

Since vaccines wore off, does that mean natural immunity lasts longer than mRNA vaccines? I think it does.


My coworker's sister is not vaccinated. She has had COVID twice in the last 6 months and not asymptomatic cases either. My coworker says she still had some symptoms from the first bout before contracting it again over the holidays.

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6:26p, 1/21/22
Natural immunity means COVID didn't kill you the first time. It doesn't mean you can't get vaccinated for even better protection. It's also much more of a guarantee of a baseline protection. Some people don't have much protection from prior infection because of any number of reasons including low viral load. Vaccine protection is more homogeneous and is not in competition with prior infection.

Morons have died trying to build "immunity " through COVID.
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1:05a, 1/22/22
https://www.flagshippioneering.com/stories/valuing-a-bioplatform-and-the-premium-deserved-for-potential-exponential-value-creation

Flagship Pioneering gave Stephen Hahn his golden parachute, which may explain why the United States is giving people four doses of mRNA while other vaccines aren't available. Many European nations were way ahead of the U.S. with Moderna myocarditis warnings, and countries even don't allow it for males under 30 years old.
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1:22a, 1/22/22


Full news conference: River Oaks doctor suspended from Houston Methodist over views on COVID-19 .

Doctors are asking questions and pushing back against the narrative.
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