BearGoggles said:
sycasey said:
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hanky1 said:
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hanky1 said:
I bet there's not a single woke progressive on this board who can make a rational argument in favor of trans athletes competing in women's sports. Go ahead...i dare you
Current Olympic and NCAA rules mandate that a male-to-female trans athlete has undergone hormone therapy to suppress testosterone for a certain amount of time (1 year in the NCAA's case). Those hormones would seem to remove whatever advantages such athletes would get from having once been male. Given that, I see no issue in allowing them to compete if they have met the requirements.
Utterly false. This has been a very little studied field and there is no conclusive data to support this.
However, a simple matter of statistical analysis of how trans athletes seem to be disproportionately dominant in women's sports indicate that it's virtually impossible that the highlighted statement is true.
So do you have a study showing that trans athletes are disproportionately dominant in women's sports? I'm not aware of any such thing being true on a wide scale.
Hanky, still waiting on that evidence that trans athletes are dominating women's sports.
Are you effin joking?
We just saw one trans woman qualify for the Olympics in one event. If they are so dominant, shouldn't we be seeing more?
The NCAA's policy on transgender athletes has been in place since 2010. Surely trans athletes must have been able to dominate women's sports in 10 years' time if they have such an advantage. Where is the evidence?
Hanky, I know you're trying to ignore my questions and move on to your next sarcastic comment about women with testicles or whatever, so I will take this as a tacit acknowledgment that despite at least 10 years of trans athletes being allowed to compete by the NCAA, there has been no "destruction" of women's college sports in that time. This would then mean that the current attempts to keep trans athletes out solve no actual problem and are just conservative virtue signaling.
I get it, you're afraid of trans people. New things can be scary. But you'll work through it in time. It's no reason to restrict anyone else's freedom.
So you're saying that trans people have an unfair advantage (something you don't seem to dispute and the link Hanky provided seems to confirm), but that's ok because it hasn't "destroyed" women's sports?
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/trans-women-retain-athletic-edge-after-year-hormone-therapy-study-n1252764
The whole point of having separate sports for men/women is because we have widely and universally recognized that in those sports (e.g., basketball, soccer, tennis), men have a material genetic advantage. We have womens teams so that women can compete at elite level against their genetic peers. If that wasn't they case, they why even have mens/womens teams?
Given this longstanding policy and understanding, when competing at an elite level - NCAA, Olympics, professional - why is it ok for some athletes (trans people) to have a genetic advantage?
Oh look, someone else who hasn't actually followed the conversation at all.
No, I'm saying that WITH HORMONE THERAPY you can reduce and even eliminate the advantage trans women might have gotten by once having been men.
Maybe you and Hanky should actually read that NBC story you keep linking to:
1. The person who ran that study is NOT saying that trans athletes should be banned from women's sports, only that maybe the required time spent on hormone therapy should be longer.
2. It's only one study and other experts point out its limitations (no controlling for other training the subjects may have done in the meantime).
Finally, if you want to talk about genetic advantage . . . aren't all sports determined by genetic advantage? It will not be possible for me to become 6'9" and 250 pounds of muscle, so is it unfair that I don't have the fame and fortune of LeBron James? That's not the issue. Some women are taller, faster, stronger than others, same as with men. The issue is if trans women competing in women's sports is inherently unfair to cis women, if it removes or severely reduces their ability to compete against people who were male at birth. I haven't seen the evidence for that yet. Given that trans women have been in college sports for some time already, I think we should have seen that evidence by now.
Where is it? Where is the trans domination of women's sports?
