"As the flu waned in 1919, one Portland, Oregon, health official reflected that "the biggest thing we have had to fight in the influenza epidemic has been apathy, or perhaps the careless selfishness of the public."

The same remains true today."



The 1918 flu is even more relevant in 2022 thanks to omicron


https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/01/03/1918-flu-is-even-more-relevant-2022-thanks-omicron/





Florida Governor Ron DeSantis Blames the Feds, Slams 'Hysteria' as Florida Shatters COVID Records with Omicron


https://www.thedailybeast.com/florida-governor-ron-desantis-blames-the-feds-slams-hysteria-as-florida-shatters-covid-records-with-omicron

Is it flu rona is it IHU . This is too much

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Is it flu rona is it IHU . This is too much

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It's Sharknado!

RISING COVID CASES... RUN! Lol. I don't know why people bother testing. If you feel sick , stay home, if you don't, live your life. We've done that with the flu for awhile, it worked well.

Omicron cases (and delta, too) have been surging -- and I mean surging like a m***** f***** -- through Britain, France and the US (NY, FL, CA) the past two weeks. Over the next 10-20 days, we will get to see if it also kills people! To borrow a sports expression, "This is why we actually play the games!"

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RISING COVID CASES... RUN! Lol. I don't know why people bother testing. If you feel sick , stay home, if you don't, live your life. We've done that with the flu for awhile, it worked well.

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Still have to be mindful that 1800 people are dying daily from covid 19, according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

That's about 25x higher than the flu's death rate, despite the vaccination campaigns, masks, and social distancing. If you are home sick with covid symptoms, you should definitely do a zoom or phone appointment to at least get medical advice.

Covid in the U.S.: Latest Map and Case Count - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

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RISING COVID CASES... RUN! Lol. I don't know why people bother testing. If you feel sick , stay home, if you don't, live your life. We've done that with the flu for awhile, it worked well.

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Still have to be mindful that 1800 people are dying daily from covid 19, according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

That's about 25x higher than the flu's death rate, despite the vaccination campaigns, masks, and social distancing. If you are home sick with covid symptoms, you should definitely do a zoom or phone appointment to at least get medical advice.

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Sorry but there has been absolutely zero distinction from people dying OF covid and WITH covid. I suspect the numbers point more to the 2nd than the 1st. That's a massive failure by our health establishment and I believe it's on purpose.

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RISING COVID CASES... RUN! Lol. I don't know why people bother testing. If you feel sick , stay home, if you don't, live your life. We've done that with the flu for awhile, it worked well.

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Still have to be mindful that 1800 people are dying daily from covid 19, according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

That's about 25x higher than the flu's death rate, despite the vaccination campaigns, masks, and social distancing. If you are home sick with covid symptoms, you should definitely do a zoom or phone appointment to at least get medical advice.

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Sorry but there has been absolutely zero distinction from people dying OF covid and WITH covid. I suspect the numbers point more to the 2nd than the 1st. That's a massive failure by our health establishment and I believe it's on purpose.

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It is not what the people I know who work in hospitals are telling me, but I agree that the data lacks detail. Kansas City is getting hit hard right now. 10% of covid hospitalizations are ending in death.

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RISING COVID CASES... RUN! Lol. I don't know why people bother testing. If you feel sick , stay home, if you don't, live your life. We've done that with the flu for awhile, it worked well.

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Still have to be mindful that 1800 people are dying daily from covid 19, according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

That's about 25x higher than the flu's death rate, despite the vaccination campaigns, masks, and social distancing. If you are home sick with covid symptoms, you should definitely do a zoom or phone appointment to at least get medical advice.

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Sorry but there has been absolutely zero distinction from people dying OF covid and WITH covid. I suspect the numbers point more to the 2nd than the 1st. That's a massive failure by our health establishment and I believe it's on purpose.

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Why pray tell do you suspect this? Are we back to no "pure COVID" deaths but ignoring that when people die after getting vaccines?

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RISING COVID CASES... RUN! Lol. I don't know why people bother testing. If you feel sick , stay home, if you don't, live your life. We've done that with the flu for awhile, it worked well.

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Still have to be mindful that 1800 people are dying daily from covid 19, according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

That's about 25x higher than the flu's death rate, despite the vaccination campaigns, masks, and social distancing. If you are home sick with covid symptoms, you should definitely do a zoom or phone appointment to at least get medical advice.

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Sorry but there has been absolutely zero distinction from people dying OF covid and WITH covid. I suspect the numbers point more to the 2nd than the 1st. That's a massive failure by our health establishment and I believe it's on purpose.

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Why pray tell do you suspect this? Are we back to no "pure COVID" deaths but ignoring that when people die after getting vaccines?

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Because we already know they were over inflating the numbers of people dying with covid and of covid. This was discovered over a year ago.

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RISING COVID CASES... RUN! Lol. I don't know why people bother testing. If you feel sick , stay home, if you don't, live your life. We've done that with the flu for awhile, it worked well.

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Still have to be mindful that 1800 people are dying daily from covid 19, according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

That's about 25x higher than the flu's death rate, despite the vaccination campaigns, masks, and social distancing. If you are home sick with covid symptoms, you should definitely do a zoom or phone appointment to at least get medical advice.

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Sorry but there has been absolutely zero distinction from people dying OF covid and WITH covid. I suspect the numbers point more to the 2nd than the 1st. That's a massive failure by our health establishment and I believe it's on purpose.

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Why pray tell do you suspect this? Are we back to no "pure COVID" deaths but ignoring that when people die after getting vaccines?

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Because we already know they were over inflating the numbers of people dying with covid and of covid. This was discovered over a year ago.

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We know "they" were being pressured not to mark people as COVID deaths in many places. We don't know which "they" was more prevalent but based on excess deaths it seems like COVID deaths are underreported overall.

Just for the avoidance of doubt, can you confirm whether you are one of the hesitant people waiting for Novavax or other vaccines or whether you will continue to trust your immune system and remain unvaccinated forever?

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RISING COVID CASES... RUN! Lol. I don't know why people bother testing. If you feel sick , stay home, if you don't, live your life. We've done that with the flu for awhile, it worked well.

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Still have to be mindful that 1800 people are dying daily from covid 19, according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

That's about 25x higher than the flu's death rate, despite the vaccination campaigns, masks, and social distancing. If you are home sick with covid symptoms, you should definitely do a zoom or phone appointment to at least get medical advice.

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Sorry but there has been absolutely zero distinction from people dying OF covid and WITH covid. I suspect the numbers point more to the 2nd than the 1st. That's a massive failure by our health establishment and I believe it's on purpose.

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Why pray tell do you suspect this? Are we back to no "pure COVID" deaths but ignoring that when people die after getting vaccines?

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Because we already know they were over inflating the numbers of people dying with covid and of covid. This was discovered over a year ago.

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We know "they" were being pressured not to mark people as COVID deaths in many places. We don't know which "they" was more prevalent but based on excess deaths it seems like COVID deaths are underreported overall.

Just for the avoidance of doubt, can you confirm whether you are one of the hesitant people waiting for Novavax or other vaccines or whether you will continue to trust your immune system and remain unvaccinated forever?

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Jerk, this isn't a discussion of vaccines. Take off the pro vaccine fanatic boxing gloves. Even Fauci complained yesterday because he believes the numbers of hospitalized children with covid are over-inflated. He said kids in the hospital are automatically tested even if they come in for some completely unrelated condition. If they are positive, the reporting makes it a covid hospitalization.

I believe the covid 19 skeptics, which includes many anti-vaxxers, would benefit if reporting would give more details on these covid deaths and hospitalizations. The vagueness and misleading facts leads to distrust by those who already distrust our leaders.

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RISING COVID CASES... RUN! Lol. I don't know why people bother testing. If you feel sick , stay home, if you don't, live your life. We've done that with the flu for awhile, it worked well.

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Still have to be mindful that 1800 people are dying daily from covid 19, according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

That's about 25x higher than the flu's death rate, despite the vaccination campaigns, masks, and social distancing. If you are home sick with covid symptoms, you should definitely do a zoom or phone appointment to at least get medical advice.

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Sorry but there has been absolutely zero distinction from people dying OF covid and WITH covid. I suspect the numbers point more to the 2nd than the 1st. That's a massive failure by our health establishment and I believe it's on purpose.

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This guy never tested positive so he doesn't count right?

Doug Kuzma, a right-wing, QAnon, anti-vax podcaster, got sick after attending a conspiracy conference in Dallas.

When someone urged him to get tested he replied:

"I’ll die at the house before I go to the hospital.”

On Monday he died from COVID

https://t.co/Awae1SGjF1

— David Gilbert (@daithaigilbert) January 6, 2022

At least he didn't take up healthcare resources.

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MinotStateBeav said:

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RISING COVID CASES... RUN! Lol. I don't know why people bother testing. If you feel sick , stay home, if you don't, live your life. We've done that with the flu for awhile, it worked well.

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Still have to be mindful that 1800 people are dying daily from covid 19, according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

That's about 25x higher than the flu's death rate, despite the vaccination campaigns, masks, and social distancing. If you are home sick with covid symptoms, you should definitely do a zoom or phone appointment to at least get medical advice.

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Sorry but there has been absolutely zero distinction from people dying OF covid and WITH covid. I suspect the numbers point more to the 2nd than the 1st. That's a massive failure by our health establishment and I believe it's on purpose.

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This guy never tested positive so he doesn't count right?

Doug Kuzma, a right-wing, QAnon, anti-vax podcaster, got sick after attending a conspiracy conference in Dallas.

When someone urged him to get tested he replied:

"I’ll die at the house before I go to the hospital.”

On Monday he died from COVID

https://t.co/Awae1SGjF1

— David Gilbert (@daithaigilbert) January 6, 2022

At least he didn't take up healthcare resources.

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uhh this has nothing to do with what I said, so yeah thanks for showing us you celebrate right wingers dying..

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RISING COVID CASES... RUN! Lol. I don't know why people bother testing. If you feel sick , stay home, if you don't, live your life. We've done that with the flu for awhile, it worked well.

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Still have to be mindful that 1800 people are dying daily from covid 19, according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

That's about 25x higher than the flu's death rate, despite the vaccination campaigns, masks, and social distancing. If you are home sick with covid symptoms, you should definitely do a zoom or phone appointment to at least get medical advice.

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Sorry but there has been absolutely zero distinction from people dying OF covid and WITH covid. I suspect the numbers point more to the 2nd than the 1st. That's a massive failure by our health establishment and I believe it's on purpose.

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This guy never tested positive so he doesn't count right?

Doug Kuzma, a right-wing, QAnon, anti-vax podcaster, got sick after attending a conspiracy conference in Dallas.

When someone urged him to get tested he replied:

"I’ll die at the house before I go to the hospital.”

On Monday he died from COVID

https://t.co/Awae1SGjF1

— David Gilbert (@daithaigilbert) January 6, 2022

At least he didn't take up healthcare resources.

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uhh this has nothing to do with what I said, so yeah thanks for showing us you celebrate right wingers dying..

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I'm not celebrating suicide, just pointing out that your anecdotal evidence (or lack there of) regarding people dying "with COVID" or "of COVID" is not unique. You don't get to count one side (or pretend to count) and ignore the other.

Suicide is a tragedy and this could easily have been avoided.

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MinotStateBeav said:

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RISING COVID CASES... RUN! Lol. I don't know why people bother testing. If you feel sick , stay home, if you don't, live your life. We've done that with the flu for awhile, it worked well.

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Still have to be mindful that 1800 people are dying daily from covid 19, according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

That's about 25x higher than the flu's death rate, despite the vaccination campaigns, masks, and social distancing. If you are home sick with covid symptoms, you should definitely do a zoom or phone appointment to at least get medical advice.

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Sorry but there has been absolutely zero distinction from people dying OF covid and WITH covid. I suspect the numbers point more to the 2nd than the 1st. That's a massive failure by our health establishment and I believe it's on purpose.

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This guy never tested positive so he doesn't count right?

Doug Kuzma, a right-wing, QAnon, anti-vax podcaster, got sick after attending a conspiracy conference in Dallas.

When someone urged him to get tested he replied:

"I’ll die at the house before I go to the hospital.”

On Monday he died from COVID

https://t.co/Awae1SGjF1

— David Gilbert (@daithaigilbert) January 6, 2022

At least he didn't take up healthcare resources.

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uhh this has nothing to do with what I said, so yeah thanks for showing us you celebrate right wingers dying..

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I'm not celebrating suicide, just pointing out that your anecdotal evidence (or lack there of) regarding people dying "with COVID" or "of COVID" is not unique. You don't get to count one side (or pretend to count) and ignore the other.

Suicide is a tragedy and this could easily have been avoided.

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Why are you just inventing an argument? Like, it literally has nothing to do with what we're talking about. You're just typing for typings sake.

Omicron......More infectious, and, less deadly. If we have no additional variants, we are witnessing the beginning of the end. Virus will always be with us. here'd immunity is around the corner because of this variant. This is how most viruses behave. The death rate before Omicron was between 1-2%. For children , it was barely above 0%!!!With Omicron, the death rate for those 65 and under will be under 1%. For those over 65, somewhere above 1%. Just as wehave learned to live with Democrats, we will have to live with variants.

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Omicron......More infectious, and, less deadly. If we have no additional variants, we are witnessing the beginning of the end. Virus will always be with us. here'd immunity is around the corner because of this variant. This is how most viruses behave. The death rate before Omicron was between 1-2%. For children , it was barely above 0%!!!With Omicron, the death rate for those 65 and under will be under 1%. For those over 65, somewhere above 1%. Just as wehave learned to live with Democrats, we will have to live with variants.

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A death rate just under 1% for a virus that almost everyone will get is very deadly. I hope the death rate is lower than just under 1%. Perhaps that is the death rate for the unvaxxed. For the vaxed, it is probably just under .1%.

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MinotStateBeav said:

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RISING COVID CASES... RUN! Lol. I don't know why people bother testing. If you feel sick , stay home, if you don't, live your life. We've done that with the flu for awhile, it worked well.

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Still have to be mindful that 1800 people are dying daily from covid 19, according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

That's about 25x higher than the flu's death rate, despite the vaccination campaigns, masks, and social distancing. If you are home sick with covid symptoms, you should definitely do a zoom or phone appointment to at least get medical advice.

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Sorry but there has been absolutely zero distinction from people dying OF covid and WITH covid. I suspect the numbers point more to the 2nd than the 1st. That's a massive failure by our health establishment and I believe it's on purpose.

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This guy never tested positive so he doesn't count right?

Doug Kuzma, a right-wing, QAnon, anti-vax podcaster, got sick after attending a conspiracy conference in Dallas.

When someone urged him to get tested he replied:

"I’ll die at the house before I go to the hospital.”

On Monday he died from COVID

https://t.co/Awae1SGjF1

— David Gilbert (@daithaigilbert) January 6, 2022

At least he didn't take up healthcare resources.

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uhh this has nothing to do with what I said, so yeah thanks for showing us you celebrate right wingers dying..

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I'm not celebrating suicide, just pointing out that your anecdotal evidence (or lack there of) regarding people dying "with COVID" or "of COVID" is not unique. You don't get to count one side (or pretend to count) and ignore the other.

Suicide is a tragedy and this could easily have been avoided.

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Why are you just inventing an argument? Like, it literally has nothing to do with what we're talking about. You're just typing for typings sake.

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Your bundled system of beliefs has caused you to "suspect" that people are dying "with COVID" and not "of COVID" because you've seen some questionable reports about gunshot victims or other people who have died during the pandemic. You ignore the fact that there are also people (like this suicide victim) who very much are dying "of COVID" despite the fact that they never tested positive. Now of course, this suicide victim will be coded as a COVID death because he will presumably be tested by the ME, but there are plenty of anecdotes of MEs putting "natural causes" on death certificates at the request of family members who don't want to admit their family died "of COVID". Here's a recent article about this. We won't know the full story for months or years to come, but I have seen nothing that would indicate that we are overcounting COVID deaths. I would expect that we undercounted for the first few months (due to a lack of testing) but that things have tracked fairly well since then (except in Florida where Desandtits has purposefully induced a lag in order to make his numbers seem better).

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RISING COVID CASES... RUN! Lol. I don't know why people bother testing. If you feel sick , stay home, if you don't, live your life. We've done that with the flu for awhile, it worked well.

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Still have to be mindful that 1800 people are dying daily from covid 19, according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

That's about 25x higher than the flu's death rate, despite the vaccination campaigns, masks, and social distancing. If you are home sick with covid symptoms, you should definitely do a zoom or phone appointment to at least get medical advice.

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Sorry but there has been absolutely zero distinction from people dying OF covid and WITH covid. I suspect the numbers point more to the 2nd than the 1st. That's a massive failure by our health establishment and I believe it's on purpose.

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This guy never tested positive so he doesn't count right?

Doug Kuzma, a right-wing, QAnon, anti-vax podcaster, got sick after attending a conspiracy conference in Dallas.

When someone urged him to get tested he replied:

"I’ll die at the house before I go to the hospital.”

On Monday he died from COVID

https://t.co/Awae1SGjF1

— David Gilbert (@daithaigilbert) January 6, 2022

At least he didn't take up healthcare resources.

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uhh this has nothing to do with what I said, so yeah thanks for showing us you celebrate right wingers dying..

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I'm not celebrating suicide, just pointing out that your anecdotal evidence (or lack there of) regarding people dying "with COVID" or "of COVID" is not unique. You don't get to count one side (or pretend to count) and ignore the other.

Suicide is a tragedy and this could easily have been avoided.

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Why are you just inventing an argument? Like, it literally has nothing to do with what we're talking about. You're just typing for typings sake.

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Your bundled system of beliefs has caused you to "suspect" that people are dying "with COVID" and not "of COVID" because you've seen some questionable reports about gunshot victims or other people who have died during the pandemic. You ignore the fact that there are also people (like this suicide victim) who very much are dying "of COVID" despite the fact that they never tested positive. Now of course, this suicide victim will be coded as a COVID death because he will presumably be tested by the ME, but there are plenty of anecdotes of MEs putting "natural causes" on death certificates at the request of family members who don't want to admit their family died "of COVID". Here's a recent article about this. We won't know the full story for months or years to come, but I have seen nothing that would indicate that we are overcounting COVID deaths. I would expect that we undercounted for the first few months (due to a lack of testing) but that things have tracked fairly well since then (except in Florida where Desandtits has purposefully induced a lag in order to make his numbers seem better).

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Are these people buried in the backyard whereas nobody is informed of the death? Are you supposing there is that and thousands of people who die alone, only go be found weeks of months later? Why are all these people dying of covid with no record of it?

There is a huge flaw in your use of the article to address Minot's concerns. Do you know what it is?

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Omicron......More infectious, and, less deadly. If we have no additional variants, we are witnessing the beginning of the end. Virus will always be with us. here'd immunity is around the corner because of this variant. This is how most viruses behave. The death rate before Omicron was between 1-2%. For children , it was barely above 0%!!!With Omicron, the death rate for those 65 and under will be under 1%. For those over 65, somewhere above 1%. Just as wehave learned to live with Democrats, we will have to live with variants.

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I believe that the experts have been pretty consistent with a U.S. fatality rate from COVID at between 0.5 and 1 percent among the unvaccinated. Towards the high end of that earlier, when they didn't know how to treat it, towards the low end since (maybe even a bit lower). That is with an assumption that there have been a number of COVID cases that were not counted, either asymptomatic, or mild cases that never got tested.

The problem comes when you figure out what 1% of the U.S. population is!

As far as flu comparisons, the US has still been losing 1,000+ per day from COVID for several months now, which, annualized, is about 10x a typical flu season. And those numbers are going to go up for a few weeks, as we get through the omicron wave. It's rather shocking to me that, even here in "enlightened" California, almost a third of the population isn't fully vaccinated (some of those are under 5 and not eligible, but still... )

So far, our 'cure has a been far worse than the disease. ' We treated everyone equally which was a huge mistake.

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The problem comes when you figure out what 1% of the U.S. population is!

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….and it is even harder to ID the top 1 % of wealth ownership because when you put the flashlight on them they scamper to the back of the refrigerator faster than if it was a tax shelter in the Caymans.

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RISING COVID CASES... RUN! Lol. I don't know why people bother testing. If you feel sick , stay home, if you don't, live your life. We've done that with the flu for awhile, it worked well.

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Still have to be mindful that 1800 people are dying daily from covid 19, according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

That's about 25x higher than the flu's death rate, despite the vaccination campaigns, masks, and social distancing. If you are home sick with covid symptoms, you should definitely do a zoom or phone appointment to at least get medical advice.

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Sorry but there has been absolutely zero distinction from people dying OF covid and WITH covid. I suspect the numbers point more to the 2nd than the 1st. That's a massive failure by our health establishment and I believe it's on purpose.

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This guy never tested positive so he doesn't count right?

Doug Kuzma, a right-wing, QAnon, anti-vax podcaster, got sick after attending a conspiracy conference in Dallas.

When someone urged him to get tested he replied:

"I’ll die at the house before I go to the hospital.”

On Monday he died from COVID

https://t.co/Awae1SGjF1

— David Gilbert (@daithaigilbert) January 6, 2022

At least he didn't take up healthcare resources.

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uhh this has nothing to do with what I said, so yeah thanks for showing us you celebrate right wingers dying..

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I'm not celebrating suicide, just pointing out that your anecdotal evidence (or lack there of) regarding people dying "with COVID" or "of COVID" is not unique. You don't get to count one side (or pretend to count) and ignore the other.

Suicide is a tragedy and this could easily have been avoided.

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Why are you just inventing an argument? Like, it literally has nothing to do with what we're talking about. You're just typing for typings sake.

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Your bundled system of beliefs has caused you to "suspect" that people are dying "with COVID" and not "of COVID" because you've seen some questionable reports about gunshot victims or other people who have died during the pandemic. You ignore the fact that there are also people (like this suicide victim) who very much are dying "of COVID" despite the fact that they never tested positive. Now of course, this suicide victim will be coded as a COVID death because he will presumably be tested by the ME, but there are plenty of anecdotes of MEs putting "natural causes" on death certificates at the request of family members who don't want to admit their family died "of COVID". Here's a recent article about this. We won't know the full story for months or years to come, but I have seen nothing that would indicate that we are overcounting COVID deaths. I would expect that we undercounted for the first few months (due to a lack of testing) but that things have tracked fairly well since then (except in Florida where Desandtits has purposefully induced a lag in order to make his numbers seem better).

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Are these people buried in the backyard whereas nobody is informed of the death? Are you supposing there is that and thousands of people who die alone, only go be found weeks of months later? Why are all these people dying of covid with no record of it?

There is a huge flaw in your use of the article to address Minot's concerns. Do you know what it is?

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Minot doesn't seem to have have concerns here, he has voiced opinions which appear to be informed by anecdotes and (I believe) misinformation. I was quite clear in stating that we won't know the truth until there is a full accounting, although in fairness we may never know the truth.

If you were to agree with Minot, you would believe that COVID risk is far overstated and that vaccines are unnecessary because people should trust their immune systems. You would also need to ignore the shocking number of conservative talk radio hosts who have committed suicide by COVID in the last 18 months. Or perhaps there are tens of thousands of these hosts and the dozens who have died is actually a small number.

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RISING COVID CASES... RUN! Lol. I don't know why people bother testing. If you feel sick , stay home, if you don't, live your life. We've done that with the flu for awhile, it worked well.

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Still have to be mindful that 1800 people are dying daily from covid 19, according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

That's about 25x higher than the flu's death rate, despite the vaccination campaigns, masks, and social distancing. If you are home sick with covid symptoms, you should definitely do a zoom or phone appointment to at least get medical advice.

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Sorry but there has been absolutely zero distinction from people dying OF covid and WITH covid. I suspect the numbers point more to the 2nd than the 1st. That's a massive failure by our health establishment and I believe it's on purpose.

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This guy never tested positive so he doesn't count right?

Doug Kuzma, a right-wing, QAnon, anti-vax podcaster, got sick after attending a conspiracy conference in Dallas.

When someone urged him to get tested he replied:

"I’ll die at the house before I go to the hospital.”

On Monday he died from COVID

https://t.co/Awae1SGjF1

— David Gilbert (@daithaigilbert) January 6, 2022

At least he didn't take up healthcare resources.

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uhh this has nothing to do with what I said, so yeah thanks for showing us you celebrate right wingers dying..

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I'm not celebrating suicide, just pointing out that your anecdotal evidence (or lack there of) regarding people dying "with COVID" or "of COVID" is not unique. You don't get to count one side (or pretend to count) and ignore the other.

Suicide is a tragedy and this could easily have been avoided.

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Why are you just inventing an argument? Like, it literally has nothing to do with what we're talking about. You're just typing for typings sake.

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Your bundled system of beliefs has caused you to "suspect" that people are dying "with COVID" and not "of COVID" because you've seen some questionable reports about gunshot victims or other people who have died during the pandemic. You ignore the fact that there are also people (like this suicide victim) who very much are dying "of COVID" despite the fact that they never tested positive. Now of course, this suicide victim will be coded as a COVID death because he will presumably be tested by the ME, but there are plenty of anecdotes of MEs putting "natural causes" on death certificates at the request of family members who don't want to admit their family died "of COVID". Here's a recent article about this. We won't know the full story for months or years to come, but I have seen nothing that would indicate that we are overcounting COVID deaths. I would expect that we undercounted for the first few months (due to a lack of testing) but that things have tracked fairly well since then (except in Florida where Desandtits has purposefully induced a lag in order to make his numbers seem better).

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Are these people buried in the backyard whereas nobody is informed of the death? Are you supposing there is that and thousands of people who die alone, only go be found weeks of months later? Why are all these people dying of covid with no record of it?

There is a huge flaw in your use of the article to address Minot's concerns. Do you know what it is?

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Minot doesn't seem to have have concerns here, he has voiced opinions which appear to be informed by anecdotes and (I believe) misinformation. I was quite clear in stating that we won't know the truth until there is a full accounting, although in fairness we may never know the truth.

If you were to agree with Minot, you would believe that COVID risk is far overstated and that vaccines are unnecessary because people should trust their immune systems. You would also need to ignore the shocking number of conservative talk radio hosts who have committed suicide by COVID in the last 18 months. Or perhaps there are tens of thousands of these hosts and the dozens who have died is actually a small number.

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Wow, more tribal fallacies. You certainly are persuasive. SARCASM. We know that Covid deaths and hospitalizations are overcounted. It is safe to assume there is some underreporting in certain areas, especially at the beginning of the pandemic when little was known about the virus. What are you accomplishing here by pointing at red states with information from early 2021 to argue that covid deaths are underreported? Why not just seek out accurate information? Or have a legitimate, honest discussion on why we can't get accurate information? You have so much anger you can't even have a dialog.

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Unit2Sucks said:

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oski003 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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oski003 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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RISING COVID CASES... RUN! Lol. I don't know why people bother testing. If you feel sick , stay home, if you don't, live your life. We've done that with the flu for awhile, it worked well.

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Still have to be mindful that 1800 people are dying daily from covid 19, according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

That's about 25x higher than the flu's death rate, despite the vaccination campaigns, masks, and social distancing. If you are home sick with covid symptoms, you should definitely do a zoom or phone appointment to at least get medical advice.

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Sorry but there has been absolutely zero distinction from people dying OF covid and WITH covid. I suspect the numbers point more to the 2nd than the 1st. That's a massive failure by our health establishment and I believe it's on purpose.

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This guy never tested positive so he doesn't count right?

Doug Kuzma, a right-wing, QAnon, anti-vax podcaster, got sick after attending a conspiracy conference in Dallas.

When someone urged him to get tested he replied:

"I’ll die at the house before I go to the hospital.”

On Monday he died from COVID

https://t.co/Awae1SGjF1

— David Gilbert (@daithaigilbert) January 6, 2022

At least he didn't take up healthcare resources.

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uhh this has nothing to do with what I said, so yeah thanks for showing us you celebrate right wingers dying..

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I'm not celebrating suicide, just pointing out that your anecdotal evidence (or lack there of) regarding people dying "with COVID" or "of COVID" is not unique. You don't get to count one side (or pretend to count) and ignore the other.

Suicide is a tragedy and this could easily have been avoided.

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Why are you just inventing an argument? Like, it literally has nothing to do with what we're talking about. You're just typing for typings sake.

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Your bundled system of beliefs has caused you to "suspect" that people are dying "with COVID" and not "of COVID" because you've seen some questionable reports about gunshot victims or other people who have died during the pandemic. You ignore the fact that there are also people (like this suicide victim) who very much are dying "of COVID" despite the fact that they never tested positive. Now of course, this suicide victim will be coded as a COVID death because he will presumably be tested by the ME, but there are plenty of anecdotes of MEs putting "natural causes" on death certificates at the request of family members who don't want to admit their family died "of COVID". Here's a recent article about this. We won't know the full story for months or years to come, but I have seen nothing that would indicate that we are overcounting COVID deaths. I would expect that we undercounted for the first few months (due to a lack of testing) but that things have tracked fairly well since then (except in Florida where Desandtits has purposefully induced a lag in order to make his numbers seem better).

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Are these people buried in the backyard whereas nobody is informed of the death? Are you supposing there is that and thousands of people who die alone, only go be found weeks of months later? Why are all these people dying of covid with no record of it?

There is a huge flaw in your use of the article to address Minot's concerns. Do you know what it is?

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Minot doesn't seem to have have concerns here, he has voiced opinions which appear to be informed by anecdotes and (I believe) misinformation. I was quite clear in stating that we won't know the truth until there is a full accounting, although in fairness we may never know the truth.

If you were to agree with Minot, you would believe that COVID risk is far overstated and that vaccines are unnecessary because people should trust their immune systems. You would also need to ignore the shocking number of conservative talk radio hosts who have committed suicide by COVID in the last 18 months. Or perhaps there are tens of thousands of these hosts and the dozens who have died is actually a small number.

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Wow, more tribal fallacies. You certainly are persuasive. SARCASM. We know that Covid deaths and hospitalizations are overcounted. It is safe to assume there is some underreporting in certain areas, especially at the beginning of the pandemic when little was known about the virus. What are you accomplishing here by pointing at red states with information from early 2021 to argue that covid deaths are underreported? Why not just seek out accurate information? Or have a legitimate, honest discussion on why we can't get accurate information? You have so much anger you can't even have a dialog.

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False. We don't "know" that deaths are overcounted. Implying that COVID deaths are overcounted would be false and misleading. We may know that there are instances of deaths attributed to COVID deaths that shouldn't have been just like we know the opposite is true. We don't have any legitimate data that would suggest that on a net basis we are overcounting and yet Minot "suspects" that we do and you are amplifying his "suspicion".

Pretending like you are all of the sudden interested in having an honest discussion is risible. You can't have a real discussion when one side is divorced from reality. This isn't a "split the difference" type situation. One side is spreading false and dangerous misinformation and it's contributing to the thousands of daily suicides in this country. That's what is actually happening. We don't have an overcounting problem we have a magical thinking by the do your own research crowd.

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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oski003 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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RISING COVID CASES... RUN! Lol. I don't know why people bother testing. If you feel sick , stay home, if you don't, live your life. We've done that with the flu for awhile, it worked well.

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Still have to be mindful that 1800 people are dying daily from covid 19, according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

That's about 25x higher than the flu's death rate, despite the vaccination campaigns, masks, and social distancing. If you are home sick with covid symptoms, you should definitely do a zoom or phone appointment to at least get medical advice.

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Sorry but there has been absolutely zero distinction from people dying OF covid and WITH covid. I suspect the numbers point more to the 2nd than the 1st. That's a massive failure by our health establishment and I believe it's on purpose.

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This guy never tested positive so he doesn't count right?

Doug Kuzma, a right-wing, QAnon, anti-vax podcaster, got sick after attending a conspiracy conference in Dallas.

When someone urged him to get tested he replied:

"I’ll die at the house before I go to the hospital.”

On Monday he died from COVID

https://t.co/Awae1SGjF1

— David Gilbert (@daithaigilbert) January 6, 2022

At least he didn't take up healthcare resources.

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uhh this has nothing to do with what I said, so yeah thanks for showing us you celebrate right wingers dying..

---

I'm not celebrating suicide, just pointing out that your anecdotal evidence (or lack there of) regarding people dying "with COVID" or "of COVID" is not unique. You don't get to count one side (or pretend to count) and ignore the other.

Suicide is a tragedy and this could easily have been avoided.

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Why are you just inventing an argument? Like, it literally has nothing to do with what we're talking about. You're just typing for typings sake.

---

Your bundled system of beliefs has caused you to "suspect" that people are dying "with COVID" and not "of COVID" because you've seen some questionable reports about gunshot victims or other people who have died during the pandemic. You ignore the fact that there are also people (like this suicide victim) who very much are dying "of COVID" despite the fact that they never tested positive. Now of course, this suicide victim will be coded as a COVID death because he will presumably be tested by the ME, but there are plenty of anecdotes of MEs putting "natural causes" on death certificates at the request of family members who don't want to admit their family died "of COVID". Here's a recent article about this. We won't know the full story for months or years to come, but I have seen nothing that would indicate that we are overcounting COVID deaths. I would expect that we undercounted for the first few months (due to a lack of testing) but that things have tracked fairly well since then (except in Florida where Desandtits has purposefully induced a lag in order to make his numbers seem better).

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Are these people buried in the backyard whereas nobody is informed of the death? Are you supposing there is that and thousands of people who die alone, only go be found weeks of months later? Why are all these people dying of covid with no record of it?

There is a huge flaw in your use of the article to address Minot's concerns. Do you know what it is?

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Minot doesn't seem to have have concerns here, he has voiced opinions which appear to be informed by anecdotes and (I believe) misinformation. I was quite clear in stating that we won't know the truth until there is a full accounting, although in fairness we may never know the truth.

If you were to agree with Minot, you would believe that COVID risk is far overstated and that vaccines are unnecessary because people should trust their immune systems. You would also need to ignore the shocking number of conservative talk radio hosts who have committed suicide by COVID in the last 18 months. Or perhaps there are tens of thousands of these hosts and the dozens who have died is actually a small number.

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Wow, more tribal fallacies. You certainly are persuasive. SARCASM. We know that Covid deaths and hospitalizations are overcounted. It is safe to assume there is some underreporting in certain areas, especially at the beginning of the pandemic when little was known about the virus. What are you accomplishing here by pointing at red states with information from early 2021 to argue that covid deaths are underreported? Why not just seek out accurate information? Or have a legitimate, honest discussion on why we can't get accurate information? You have so much anger you can't even have a dialog.

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False. We don't "know" that deaths are overcounted. Implying that COVID deaths are overcounted would be false and misleading. We may know that there are instances of deaths attributed to COVID deaths that shouldn't have been just like we know the opposite is true. We don't have any legitimate data that would suggest that on a net basis we are overcounting and yet Minot "suspects" that we do and you are amplifying his "suspicion".

Pretending like you are all of the sudden interested in having an honest discussion is risible. You can't have a real discussion when one side is divorced from reality. This isn't a "split the difference" type situation. One side is spreading false and dangerous misinformation and it's contributing to the thousands of daily suicides in this country. That's what is actually happening. We don't have an overcounting problem we have a magical thinking by the do your own research crowd.

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There can't be legitimate dialog here. You are too divisive and angry. Now, you are just focusing on the actual word over-counting, running with it, and finding a way to vilify in your response. I would love for more people to realize that covid is deadly. Unfortunately, your dialog doesn't help, and It is unfortunate.

> risible

had to look up 2-bit word Risible, thanks U2..

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[ol]

Relating to laughter or used in eliciting laughter.

Eliciting laughter; ludicrous.

Capable of laughing or inclined to laugh

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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RISING COVID CASES... RUN! Lol. I don't know why people bother testing. If you feel sick , stay home, if you don't, live your life. We've done that with the flu for awhile, it worked well.

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Still have to be mindful that 1800 people are dying daily from covid 19, according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

That's about 25x higher than the flu's death rate, despite the vaccination campaigns, masks, and social distancing. If you are home sick with covid symptoms, you should definitely do a zoom or phone appointment to at least get medical advice.

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Sorry but there has been absolutely zero distinction from people dying OF covid and WITH covid. I suspect the numbers point more to the 2nd than the 1st. That's a massive failure by our health establishment and I believe it's on purpose.

---

This guy never tested positive so he doesn't count right?

Doug Kuzma, a right-wing, QAnon, anti-vax podcaster, got sick after attending a conspiracy conference in Dallas.

When someone urged him to get tested he replied:

"I’ll die at the house before I go to the hospital.”

On Monday he died from COVID

https://t.co/Awae1SGjF1

— David Gilbert (@daithaigilbert) January 6, 2022

At least he didn't take up healthcare resources.

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uhh this has nothing to do with what I said, so yeah thanks for showing us you celebrate right wingers dying..

---

I'm not celebrating suicide, just pointing out that your anecdotal evidence (or lack there of) regarding people dying "with COVID" or "of COVID" is not unique. You don't get to count one side (or pretend to count) and ignore the other.

Suicide is a tragedy and this could easily have been avoided.

---

Why are you just inventing an argument? Like, it literally has nothing to do with what we're talking about. You're just typing for typings sake.

---

Your bundled system of beliefs has caused you to "suspect" that people are dying "with COVID" and not "of COVID" because you've seen some questionable reports about gunshot victims or other people who have died during the pandemic. You ignore the fact that there are also people (like this suicide victim) who very much are dying "of COVID" despite the fact that they never tested positive. Now of course, this suicide victim will be coded as a COVID death because he will presumably be tested by the ME, but there are plenty of anecdotes of MEs putting "natural causes" on death certificates at the request of family members who don't want to admit their family died "of COVID". Here's a recent article about this. We won't know the full story for months or years to come, but I have seen nothing that would indicate that we are overcounting COVID deaths. I would expect that we undercounted for the first few months (due to a lack of testing) but that things have tracked fairly well since then (except in Florida where Desandtits has purposefully induced a lag in order to make his numbers seem better).

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Are these people buried in the backyard whereas nobody is informed of the death? Are you supposing there is that and thousands of people who die alone, only go be found weeks of months later? Why are all these people dying of covid with no record of it?

There is a huge flaw in your use of the article to address Minot's concerns. Do you know what it is?

---

Minot doesn't seem to have have concerns here, he has voiced opinions which appear to be informed by anecdotes and (I believe) misinformation. I was quite clear in stating that we won't know the truth until there is a full accounting, although in fairness we may never know the truth.

If you were to agree with Minot, you would believe that COVID risk is far overstated and that vaccines are unnecessary because people should trust their immune systems. You would also need to ignore the shocking number of conservative talk radio hosts who have committed suicide by COVID in the last 18 months. Or perhaps there are tens of thousands of these hosts and the dozens who have died is actually a small number.

---

Wow, more tribal fallacies. You certainly are persuasive. SARCASM. We know that Covid deaths and hospitalizations are overcounted. It is safe to assume there is some underreporting in certain areas, especially at the beginning of the pandemic when little was known about the virus. What are you accomplishing here by pointing at red states with information from early 2021 to argue that covid deaths are underreported? Why not just seek out accurate information? Or have a legitimate, honest discussion on why we can't get accurate information? You have so much anger you can't even have a dialog.

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False. We don't "know" that deaths are overcounted. Implying that COVID deaths are overcounted would be false and misleading. We may know that there are instances of deaths attributed to COVID deaths that shouldn't have been just like we know the opposite is true. We don't have any legitimate data that would suggest that on a net basis we are overcounting and yet Minot "suspects" that we do and you are amplifying his "suspicion".

Pretending like you are all of the sudden interested in having an honest discussion is risible. You can't have a real discussion when one side is divorced from reality. This isn't a "split the difference" type situation. One side is spreading false and dangerous misinformation and it's contributing to the thousands of daily suicides in this country. That's what is actually happening. We don't have an overcounting problem we have a magical thinking by the do your own research crowd.

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There can't be legitimate dialog here. You are too divisive and angry. Now, you are just focusing on the actual word over-counting, running with it, and finding a way to vilify in your response. I would love for more people to realize that covid is deadly. Unfortunately, your dialog doesn't help, and It is unfortunate.

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Lol. So in a conversation about overcounting you don't want me to focus on the word overcounting. Okay sport.

If you really took COVID seriously you wouldn't spend so much time spreading misinformation about life saving vaccines. The more people who listen to you, the more who will commit suicide by choosing to remain unvaccinated. You know that is the outcome yet you continue on your crusade.

If you aren't angry about charlatans convincing hundreds of thousands of your fellow Americans to kill themselfes, what do you get angry about? Oh right, you have your conspiracy theories to occupy your time.

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Unit2Sucks said:

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oski003 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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oski003 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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oski003 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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RISING COVID CASES... RUN! Lol. I don't know why people bother testing. If you feel sick , stay home, if you don't, live your life. We've done that with the flu for awhile, it worked well.

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Still have to be mindful that 1800 people are dying daily from covid 19, according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

That's about 25x higher than the flu's death rate, despite the vaccination campaigns, masks, and social distancing. If you are home sick with covid symptoms, you should definitely do a zoom or phone appointment to at least get medical advice.

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Sorry but there has been absolutely zero distinction from people dying OF covid and WITH covid. I suspect the numbers point more to the 2nd than the 1st. That's a massive failure by our health establishment and I believe it's on purpose.

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This guy never tested positive so he doesn't count right?

Doug Kuzma, a right-wing, QAnon, anti-vax podcaster, got sick after attending a conspiracy conference in Dallas.

When someone urged him to get tested he replied:

"I’ll die at the house before I go to the hospital.”

On Monday he died from COVID

https://t.co/Awae1SGjF1

— David Gilbert (@daithaigilbert) January 6, 2022

At least he didn't take up healthcare resources.

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uhh this has nothing to do with what I said, so yeah thanks for showing us you celebrate right wingers dying..

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I'm not celebrating suicide, just pointing out that your anecdotal evidence (or lack there of) regarding people dying "with COVID" or "of COVID" is not unique. You don't get to count one side (or pretend to count) and ignore the other.

Suicide is a tragedy and this could easily have been avoided.

---

Why are you just inventing an argument? Like, it literally has nothing to do with what we're talking about. You're just typing for typings sake.

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Your bundled system of beliefs has caused you to "suspect" that people are dying "with COVID" and not "of COVID" because you've seen some questionable reports about gunshot victims or other people who have died during the pandemic. You ignore the fact that there are also people (like this suicide victim) who very much are dying "of COVID" despite the fact that they never tested positive. Now of course, this suicide victim will be coded as a COVID death because he will presumably be tested by the ME, but there are plenty of anecdotes of MEs putting "natural causes" on death certificates at the request of family members who don't want to admit their family died "of COVID". Here's a recent article about this. We won't know the full story for months or years to come, but I have seen nothing that would indicate that we are overcounting COVID deaths. I would expect that we undercounted for the first few months (due to a lack of testing) but that things have tracked fairly well since then (except in Florida where Desandtits has purposefully induced a lag in order to make his numbers seem better).

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Are these people buried in the backyard whereas nobody is informed of the death? Are you supposing there is that and thousands of people who die alone, only go be found weeks of months later? Why are all these people dying of covid with no record of it?

There is a huge flaw in your use of the article to address Minot's concerns. Do you know what it is?

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Minot doesn't seem to have have concerns here, he has voiced opinions which appear to be informed by anecdotes and (I believe) misinformation. I was quite clear in stating that we won't know the truth until there is a full accounting, although in fairness we may never know the truth.

If you were to agree with Minot, you would believe that COVID risk is far overstated and that vaccines are unnecessary because people should trust their immune systems. You would also need to ignore the shocking number of conservative talk radio hosts who have committed suicide by COVID in the last 18 months. Or perhaps there are tens of thousands of these hosts and the dozens who have died is actually a small number.

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Wow, more tribal fallacies. You certainly are persuasive. SARCASM. We know that Covid deaths and hospitalizations are overcounted. It is safe to assume there is some underreporting in certain areas, especially at the beginning of the pandemic when little was known about the virus. What are you accomplishing here by pointing at red states with information from early 2021 to argue that covid deaths are underreported? Why not just seek out accurate information? Or have a legitimate, honest discussion on why we can't get accurate information? You have so much anger you can't even have a dialog.

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False. We don't "know" that deaths are overcounted. Implying that COVID deaths are overcounted would be false and misleading. We may know that there are instances of deaths attributed to COVID deaths that shouldn't have been just like we know the opposite is true. We don't have any legitimate data that would suggest that on a net basis we are overcounting and yet Minot "suspects" that we do and you are amplifying his "suspicion".

Pretending like you are all of the sudden interested in having an honest discussion is risible. You can't have a real discussion when one side is divorced from reality. This isn't a "split the difference" type situation. One side is spreading false and dangerous misinformation and it's contributing to the thousands of daily suicides in this country. That's what is actually happening. We don't have an overcounting problem we have a magical thinking by the do your own research crowd.

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There can't be legitimate dialog here. You are too divisive and angry. Now, you are just focusing on the actual word over-counting, running with it, and finding a way to vilify in your response. I would love for more people to realize that covid is deadly. Unfortunately, your dialog doesn't help, and It is unfortunate.

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Lol. So in a conversation about overcounting you don't want me to focus on the word overcounting. Okay sport.

If you really took COVID seriously you wouldn't spend so much time spreading misinformation about life saving vaccines. The more people who listen to you, the more who will commit suicide by choosing to remain unvaccinated. You know that is the outcome yet you continue on your crusade.

If you aren't angry about charlatans convincing hundreds of thousands of your fellow Americans to kill themselfes, what do you get angry about? Oh right, you have your conspiracy theories to occupy your time.

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Because I said some stuff is overcounted and some stuff is undercounted and you just ran off and focused on how stuff wasn't overcounted, which is ridiculous. I take covid seriously. We just don't see eye to eye on how the authorities are handling it. Thanks.

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Unit2Sucks said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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RISING COVID CASES... RUN! Lol. I don't know why people bother testing. If you feel sick , stay home, if you don't, live your life. We've done that with the flu for awhile, it worked well.

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Still have to be mindful that 1800 people are dying daily from covid 19, according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

That's about 25x higher than the flu's death rate, despite the vaccination campaigns, masks, and social distancing. If you are home sick with covid symptoms, you should definitely do a zoom or phone appointment to at least get medical advice.

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Sorry but there has been absolutely zero distinction from people dying OF covid and WITH covid. I suspect the numbers point more to the 2nd than the 1st. That's a massive failure by our health establishment and I believe it's on purpose.

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This guy never tested positive so he doesn't count right?

Doug Kuzma, a right-wing, QAnon, anti-vax podcaster, got sick after attending a conspiracy conference in Dallas.

When someone urged him to get tested he replied:

"I’ll die at the house before I go to the hospital.”

On Monday he died from COVID

https://t.co/Awae1SGjF1

— David Gilbert (@daithaigilbert) January 6, 2022

At least he didn't take up healthcare resources.

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uhh this has nothing to do with what I said, so yeah thanks for showing us you celebrate right wingers dying..

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I'm not celebrating suicide, just pointing out that your anecdotal evidence (or lack there of) regarding people dying "with COVID" or "of COVID" is not unique. You don't get to count one side (or pretend to count) and ignore the other.

Suicide is a tragedy and this could easily have been avoided.

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Why are you just inventing an argument? Like, it literally has nothing to do with what we're talking about. You're just typing for typings sake.

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Your bundled system of beliefs has caused you to "suspect" that people are dying "with COVID" and not "of COVID" because you've seen some questionable reports about gunshot victims or other people who have died during the pandemic. You ignore the fact that there are also people (like this suicide victim) who very much are dying "of COVID" despite the fact that they never tested positive. Now of course, this suicide victim will be coded as a COVID death because he will presumably be tested by the ME, but there are plenty of anecdotes of MEs putting "natural causes" on death certificates at the request of family members who don't want to admit their family died "of COVID". Here's a recent article about this. We won't know the full story for months or years to come, but I have seen nothing that would indicate that we are overcounting COVID deaths. I would expect that we undercounted for the first few months (due to a lack of testing) but that things have tracked fairly well since then (except in Florida where Desandtits has purposefully induced a lag in order to make his numbers seem better).

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Are these people buried in the backyard whereas nobody is informed of the death? Are you supposing there is that and thousands of people who die alone, only go be found weeks of months later? Why are all these people dying of covid with no record of it?

There is a huge flaw in your use of the article to address Minot's concerns. Do you know what it is?

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Minot doesn't seem to have have concerns here, he has voiced opinions which appear to be informed by anecdotes and (I believe) misinformation. I was quite clear in stating that we won't know the truth until there is a full accounting, although in fairness we may never know the truth.

If you were to agree with Minot, you would believe that COVID risk is far overstated and that vaccines are unnecessary because people should trust their immune systems. You would also need to ignore the shocking number of conservative talk radio hosts who have committed suicide by COVID in the last 18 months. Or perhaps there are tens of thousands of these hosts and the dozens who have died is actually a small number.

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Wow, more tribal fallacies. You certainly are persuasive. SARCASM. We know that Covid deaths and hospitalizations are overcounted. It is safe to assume there is some underreporting in certain areas, especially at the beginning of the pandemic when little was known about the virus. What are you accomplishing here by pointing at red states with information from early 2021 to argue that covid deaths are underreported? Why not just seek out accurate information? Or have a legitimate, honest discussion on why we can't get accurate information? You have so much anger you can't even have a dialog.

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False. We don't "know" that deaths are overcounted. Implying that COVID deaths are overcounted would be false and misleading. We may know that there are instances of deaths attributed to COVID deaths that shouldn't have been just like we know the opposite is true. We don't have any legitimate data that would suggest that on a net basis we are overcounting and yet Minot "suspects" that we do and you are amplifying his "suspicion".

Pretending like you are all of the sudden interested in having an honest discussion is risible. You can't have a real discussion when one side is divorced from reality. This isn't a "split the difference" type situation. One side is spreading false and dangerous misinformation and it's contributing to the thousands of daily suicides in this country. That's what is actually happening. We don't have an overcounting problem we have a magical thinking by the do your own research crowd.

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There can't be legitimate dialog here. You are too divisive and angry. Now, you are just focusing on the actual word over-counting, running with it, and finding a way to vilify in your response. I would love for more people to realize that covid is deadly. Unfortunately, your dialog doesn't help, and It is unfortunate.

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Lol. So in a conversation about overcounting you don't want me to focus on the word overcounting. Okay sport.

If you really took COVID seriously you wouldn't spend so much time spreading misinformation about life saving vaccines. The more people who listen to you, the more who will commit suicide by choosing to remain unvaccinated. You know that is the outcome yet you continue on your crusade.

If you aren't angry about charlatans convincing hundreds of thousands of your fellow Americans to kill themselfes, what do you get angry about? Oh right, you have your conspiracy theories to occupy your time.

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Because I said some stuff is overcounted and some stuff is undercounted and you just ran off and focused on how stuff wasn't overcounted, which is ridiculous. I take covid seriously. We just don't see eye to eye on how the authorities are handling it. Thanks.

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You came into a conversation where Minot was claiming a "suspicion" of net overcounting. He didn't point to a source like the economist (which believes the US has more than 200k excess deaths above and beyond official COVID mortality) but he feels comfortable claiming that it's a massive and purposeful failure by our health establishment.

I agree that we have seen large scale failure of our system across many areas of our government. This is frankly one of numerous areas where we are not well served by federalism. I agree that there have been purposeful failures as well - like Florida's decision to purposefully undercount COVID deaths in order to make it looks like a perpetual downward trend. But I haven't seen anything to indicate that any appreciable number of non-causal deaths have been recorded. That narrative has long been driven by political forces that were trying to prop up the economy and hide how bad COVID was in 2020 and people fell for it hook, line and sinker. We saw several references to fake news on BI claiming deaths were overstated. It's all part of the toxic stew of misinformation which is causing thousands of people to commit suicide by COVID every day now. Over 1m Americans will have died of COVID and the vast majority could have saved their lives by taking a simple jab if it hadn't been politicized and constantly misrepresented. How long before Americans look back at what people did to public health in this country with horror. Demonizing life saving vaccines, promoting snake oil like HCQ and anti-parasitics, opposing masks and attacking school officials. This is going to be remembered as a dark time in US history and it will continue to cost us dearly. It already has greatly diminished our world standing and I can't imagine that reversing any time soon.

This is odd as the author makes more sense than the FDA.

https://www.statnews.com/2022/01/06/make-home-covid-19-tests-highly-sensitive-to-infection/?utm_content=buffer1bbf6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=facebook_organic

That guy was involved in home AIDS testing too:

AIDS TESTING SHOULDN'T BE DONE AT HOME - The Washington Post


https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1989/09/11/aids-testing-shouldnt-be-done-at-home/89d302cf-0324-454e-b1e6-5d4c03c2e770/

I figure home COVID testing will do more good than bad, but Americans are such goofballs it will be a mess. You have to have patience to read the instructions. If you don't swab high enough. Inaccurate. If you touch the test kit before the 15 minutes is up. Inaccurate.
The test is only a snapshot in time. Your test is Negative, and then your kid coughs in your face and you just contracted it. I assume you would have to test everyday unless you live in isolation. What a mess.

The only good news is Omicron has been a medium head cold or no symptoms at all to the vaxxed. I don't know what it does to the unvaxxed.

*What is the catch with regard to the guy selling his test kit company to the government for $1. Does that mean he eliminates his overhead and kills it on the patent?