NY...Hey...Let's let non-citizens vote

California...Hey...Let's give total free health care to undocumented migrants.

Just how many ways can you cheat????Demos keep inventing new ways every day. Have to give them credit....They may be hopelessly corrupt, but they are inventive and brazen.

A Scandal For Every Month: The Biggest Botches, Failures, And Mess-Ups Of Joe Biden's First 12 Months In Office

January: Biden's Radical First Week - Executive Order, schools must ignore biological difference between male/female if they wish to receive federal funding, canceled Keystone XL Pipeline

February: Biden's CDC Worked to Keep Schools Closed - CDC Director admitted left wing teacher unions had influence over CDC to keep students out of school buildings.

March: Working With Corporations to Create Vax Passports

April: Biden Debuts Radical Social Spending Plan, $1.8 trillion, part of his Build Back Broke agenda

May: More Unsavory Hunter Exploits Emerge, Joe Biden meets with Ukrainian and Russian business associates while VP revealed from emails in Hunter's laptop

June: Record-Setting Crisis at the Southern Border - border crossings were highest levels since 2006

July: Bragging about Working with Big Tech to Silence Dissent - Administration working with Facebook to flag posts with which the regime disagreed.

August: Bungled Afghanistan Withdrawal - 13 US service members dead, drone strike kills 10 civilians including 7 children, Americans stranded, billions of dollars worth of equipment turned over to Taliban

September: Biden Lies to Undermine His Own Border Patrol Agents - Media and Dems falsely accuse agents of whipping people on horseback, Biden threatens to make his own CBP employees pay.

October: Biden's Ed Secretary, DOJ Collude with NSBA to Smear Parents as Domestic Terrorists - AG Garland directs FBI to investigate parents.

November: That Tyrannical, Unconstitutional OSHA Vax Mandate - Biden goes against his campaign promise that he wouldn't mandate the Covid vaccine only to threaten private businesses with 100 or more employees with fines if not complied with knowing it was unconstitutional all along.

December: Supply Chain and Inflation Nightmare - record inflation, much lower than expected job numbers, and supply chain crisis made worse by Covid lockdowns.

January 2022: Biden Compared Filibuster Defenders to George Wallace, Jefferson Davis. Biden compares his agenda's critics to segregationists including members of his own party.

https://thefederalist.com/2022/01/20/a-scandal-for-every-month-the-biggest-botches-failures-and-mess-ups-of-joe-bidens-first-12-months-in-office/

circle jerk
nounNORTH AMERICAN
1.
INFORMAL
a situation in which a group of people engage in self-indulgent or self-gratifying behavior, especially by reinforcing each other's views or attitudes.
"this thread is a big RWNJ circle jerk"

AunBear89 said:

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circle jerk
nounNORTH AMERICAN
1.
INFORMAL
a situation in which a group of people engage in self-indulgent or self-gratifying behavior, especially by reinforcing each other's views or attitudes.
"this thread is a big RWNJ circle jerk"

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It's interesting to point out that there are several threads that have been initiated by Hell to Pay where no one has even bothered to reply. The Circle of Jerks . . . appears to be getting smaller and smaller.

Pardon the interruption

PEACE

OK. htp1 and bf2 you can go on with your, apparently private discussion

DiabloWags said:

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AunBear89 said:

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circle jerk
nounNORTH AMERICAN
1.
INFORMAL
a situation in which a group of people engage in self-indulgent or self-gratifying behavior, especially by reinforcing each other's views or attitudes.
"this thread is a big RWNJ circle jerk"

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It's interesting to point out that there are several threads that have been initiated by Hell to Pay where no one has even bothered to reply. The Circle of Jerks . . . appears to be getting smaller and smaller.

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At times in the past, Helltopee has shown he gets disturbed if no one replies to his drivel, so I'm trying to stay away from commenting on his stuff. Sometimes I can't help myself though. He clearly doesn't care what anyone else thinks and it really is wasted effort to talk with him.

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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At times in the past, Helltopee has shown he gets disturbed if no one replies to his drivel, so I'm trying to stay away from commenting on his stuff. Sometimes I can't help myself though. He clearly doesn't care what anyone else thinks and it really is wasted effort to talk with him.

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I'm new to this OT stuff.
It sure is an interesting "goulash" of posters.

But after awhile, I guess you figure out the cast of characters and the people that arent genuinely interested in discussing a topic. They just throw up meme's and tweets and tik-tok videos hoping that something will stick. And then you come to realize that posters like Going for Roses use the same "tricks of the troll" as people like HTP and BearForce do.

Once you realize this, it actually becomes quite boring.
And the circle of jerks becomes quite small.

If I'm 84 years old and still posting here....
Just kill me.

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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At times in the past, Helltopee has shown he gets disturbed if no one replies to his drivel, so I'm trying to stay away from commenting on his stuff. Sometimes I can't help myself though. He clearly doesn't care what anyone else thinks and it really is wasted effort to talk with him.

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I'm trying out innovative interrogation techniques.......

helltopay1 said:

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NY...Hey...Let's let non-citizens vote

California...Hey...Let's give total free health care to undocumented migrants.

Just how many ways can you cheat????Demos keep inventing new ways every day. Have to give them credit....They may be hopelessly corrupt, but they are inventive and brazen.

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Who's letting non-citizens vote? That's a felony.

Free health care to undocumented immigrants?

It astonishes me that throughout U.S. history, Capitalists, in search of cheap (or free) Labor, bring people to this country to do work, but refuse to be responsible in any way for their impact on society, and can't bring themselves to contribute to their human needs.

Do you want to live in a healthy society, or a disease-ridden one? There's your answer.

OK, again -- when you're making accusations of Voter Fraud or Election Fraud -- which are both felonies -- back it up. I'm more than willing to provide hard evidence of Election Fraud on the GOP side, of which you apparently aren't aware -- but let's see the evidence. NOT hearsay, NOT affidavits, NOT accusations. Evidence.

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helltopay1 said:

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NY...Hey...Let's let non-citizens vote

California...Hey...Let's give total free health care to undocumented migrants.

Just how many ways can you cheat????Demos keep inventing new ways every day. Have to give them credit....They may be hopelessly corrupt, but they are inventive and brazen.

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Who's letting non-citizens vote? That's a felony.

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New NYC law allows its 800,000 noncitizens to vote

https://abc13.com/nyc-non-citizen-voting-new-york-noncitizen-vote-city-eric-adams/11445310/

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cbbass1 said:

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helltopay1 said:

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NY...Hey...Let's let non-citizens vote

California...Hey...Let's give total free health care to undocumented migrants.

Just how many ways can you cheat????Demos keep inventing new ways every day. Have to give them credit....They may be hopelessly corrupt, but they are inventive and brazen.

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Who's letting non-citizens vote? That's a felony.

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New NYC law allows its 800,000 noncitizens to vote

https://abc13.com/nyc-non-citizen-voting-new-york-noncitizen-vote-city-eric-adams/11445310/

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If a city or state decides they want to have non-citizens vote in their city or state elections, who am I to say 'No'?

You did read that those non-citizens are still prohibited from voting for any Federal office, didn't you?

For foreign nationals in the U.S., there's two ways to go:

• allow them to work, under a visa, and to have rights to education & medical care (like Medicare For All); OR
• don't allow them to work if they don't have a work visa, and punish employers who hire them.

Think about it. The best way to have a government that serves a solid majority of its residents is for those residents to select the people who represent them, and approve the laws that apply to them.

For Federal Elections, the 15th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, makes it clear: "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."

cbbass1 said:

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BearForce2 said:

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cbbass1 said:

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helltopay1 said:

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NY...Hey...Let's let non-citizens vote

California...Hey...Let's give total free health care to undocumented migrants.

Just how many ways can you cheat????Demos keep inventing new ways every day. Have to give them credit....They may be hopelessly corrupt, but they are inventive and brazen.

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Who's letting non-citizens vote? That's a felony.

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New NYC law allows its 800,000 noncitizens to vote

https://abc13.com/nyc-non-citizen-voting-new-york-noncitizen-vote-city-eric-adams/11445310/

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If a city or state decides they want to have non-citizens vote in their city or state elections, who am I to say 'No'?

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If a city or state decides they want to have non-citizens vote in their city or state elections, who am I to say 'No'?

You did read that those non-citizens are still prohibited from voting for any Federal office, didn't you?

For foreign nationals in the U.S., there's two ways to go:

• allow them to work, under a visa, and to have rights to education & medical care (like Medicare For All); OR
• don't allow them to work if they don't have a work visa, and punish employers who hire them.

Think about it. The best way to have a government that serves a solid majority of its residents is for those residents to select the people who represent them, and approve the laws that apply to them.

For Federal Elections, the 15th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, makes it clear: "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."

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New York's own constitution state the rights of citizens to vote is guaranteed provided that such citizens are at least 18 years of age and has been in resident in the state for 30 days. It doesn't mention non-citizens. .

Think about it. The best way to have a government that serves a solid majority of its citizens is for those citizens to select the people who represent them, and approve the laws that apply to them.

DiabloWags said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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At times in the past, Helltopee has shown he gets disturbed if no one replies to his drivel, so I'm trying to stay away from commenting on his stuff. Sometimes I can't help myself though. He clearly doesn't care what anyone else thinks and it really is wasted effort to talk with him.

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I'm new to this OT stuff.
It sure is an interesting "goulash" of posters.

But after awhile, I guess you figure out the cast of characters and the people that arent genuinely interested in discussing a topic. They just throw up meme's and tweets and tik-tok videos hoping that something will stick. And then you come to realize that posters like Going for Roses use the same "tricks of the troll" as people like HTP and BearForce do.

Once you realize this, it actually becomes quite boring.
And the circle of jerks becomes quite small.

If I'm 84 years old and still posting here....
Just kill me.

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The Left can't meme because memes require a truthful observation of reality while leftism is a complex denial of reality

— Truckistan Amb. Poso 🏁 (@JackPosobiec) February 11, 2022

Get real.

BearForce2 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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At times in the past, Helltopee has shown he gets disturbed if no one replies to his drivel, so I'm trying to stay away from commenting on his stuff. Sometimes I can't help myself though. He clearly doesn't care what anyone else thinks and it really is wasted effort to talk with him.

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I'm new to this OT stuff.
It sure is an interesting "goulash" of posters.

But after awhile, I guess you figure out the cast of characters and the people that arent genuinely interested in discussing a topic. They just throw up meme's and tweets and tik-tok videos hoping that something will stick. And then you come to realize that posters like Going for Roses use the same "tricks of the troll" as people like HTP and BearForce do.

Once you realize this, it actually becomes quite boring.
And the circle of jerks becomes quite small.

If I'm 84 years old and still posting here....
Just kill me.

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The Left can't meme because memes require a truthful observation of reality while leftism is a complex denial of reality

— Truckistan Amb. Poso 🏁 (@JackPosobiec) February 11, 2022

Get real.

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Still quoting a white supremacist? Very on brand for BearFarce.

AunBear89 said:

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BearForce2 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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At times in the past, Helltopee has shown he gets disturbed if no one replies to his drivel, so I'm trying to stay away from commenting on his stuff. Sometimes I can't help myself though. He clearly doesn't care what anyone else thinks and it really is wasted effort to talk with him.

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I'm new to this OT stuff.
It sure is an interesting "goulash" of posters.

But after awhile, I guess you figure out the cast of characters and the people that arent genuinely interested in discussing a topic. They just throw up meme's and tweets and tik-tok videos hoping that something will stick. And then you come to realize that posters like Going for Roses use the same "tricks of the troll" as people like HTP and BearForce do.

Once you realize this, it actually becomes quite boring.
And the circle of jerks becomes quite small.

If I'm 84 years old and still posting here....
Just kill me.

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The Left can't meme because memes require a truthful observation of reality while leftism is a complex denial of reality

— Truckistan Amb. Poso 🏁 (@JackPosobiec) February 11, 2022

Get real.

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Still quoting a white supremacist? Very on brand for BearFarce.

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Bearinsider obviously couldnt care any less.
They just like the web-hits.

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Still quoting a white supremacist? Very on brand for BearFarce.

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Welcome to Sleepyville folkshttps://t.co/faQ7lHQppL pic.twitter.com/ScA72BwMX9

— Truckistan Amb. Poso 🏁 (@JackPosobiec) February 11, 2022

You have to do better than that.

While you reflect on yourself, get some MyPillows from Mike Lindell.

Posibiec is a piece of shyte. No wonder he gives you wet dreams.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/infamous-pizzagater-jack-posobiec-pushed-hoax-about-pipe-bombs-being-planted-at-korean-war-memorial

Daily Beast....lol!

Jack Posobiec and MyPillow Conman - lol.

AunBear89 said:

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Posibiec is a piece of shyte. No wonder he gives you wet dreams.

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When he is 6 feet under, I will piss on his grave just like I will when the Orange Crap Stain passes.

AunBear89 said:

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Jack Posobiec and MyPillow Conman - lol.

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Used that code as well to get a mattress topper and pillow. No disappointment here

— USMC_0351 (@ekkhouser614) February 11, 2022

BearForce2 said:

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AunBear89 said:

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Jack Posobiec and MyPillow Conman - lol.

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Used that code as well to get a mattress topper and pillow. No disappointment here

— USMC_0351 (@ekkhouser614) February 11, 2022

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I actually got a couple my pillows, I don't think I had a ton of expectation for them, but tbh they are really good.

MinotStateBeav said:

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BearForce2 said:

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AunBear89 said:

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Jack Posobiec and MyPillow Conman - lol.

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I actually got a couple my pillows, I don't think I had a ton of expectation for them, but tbh they are really good.

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There are plenty of good pillows out there. I expect I can find some that aren't financing the overthrowing of the American government. I'd rather sleep on a boulder than have that on my conscience.

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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BearForce2 said:

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AunBear89 said:

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Jack Posobiec and MyPillow Conman - lol.

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I actually got a couple my pillows, I don't think I had a ton of expectation for them, but tbh they are really good.

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There are plenty of good pillows out there. I expect I can find some that aren't financing the overthrowing of the American government. I'd rather sleep on a boulder than have that on my conscience.

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I'm sorry, you are mistaken that I care.

MinotStateBeav said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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BearForce2 said:

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AunBear89 said:

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Jack Posobiec and MyPillow Conman - lol.

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I actually got a couple my pillows, I don't think I had a ton of expectation for them, but tbh they are really good.

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There are plenty of good pillows out there. I expect I can find some that aren't financing the overthrowing of the American government. I'd rather sleep on a boulder than have that on my conscience.

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I'm sorry, you are mistaken that I care.

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I had no illusions about you caring. Like you, I felt the need to make a comment to everyone about the topics of this thread.

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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BearForce2 said:

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AunBear89 said:

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Jack Posobiec and MyPillow Conman - lol.

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I actually got a couple my pillows, I don't think I had a ton of expectation for them, but tbh they are really good.

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There are plenty of good pillows out there. I expect I can find some that aren't financing the overthrowing of the American government. I'd rather sleep on a boulder than have that on my conscience.

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I'm sorry, you are mistaken that I care.

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I had no illusions about you caring. Like you, I felt the need to make a comment to everyone about the topics of this thread.

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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BearForce2 said:

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AunBear89 said:

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Jack Posobiec and MyPillow Conman - lol.

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I actually got a couple my pillows, I don't think I had a ton of expectation for them, but tbh they are really good.

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There are plenty of good pillows out there. I expect I can find some that aren't financing the overthrowing of the American government. I'd rather sleep on a boulder than have that on my conscience.

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I'm sorry, you are mistaken that I care.

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I had no illusions about you caring. Like you, I felt the need to make a comment to everyone about the topics of this thread.

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You seem to have trouble grasping my last statement, so I'll say it again.

I had no illusions about you caring. Like you, I felt the need to make a comment to everyone about the topics of this thread.

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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BearForce2 said:

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AunBear89 said:

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Jack Posobiec and MyPillow Conman - lol.

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I actually got a couple my pillows, I don't think I had a ton of expectation for them, but tbh they are really good.

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There are plenty of good pillows out there. I expect I can find some that aren't financing the overthrowing of the American government. I'd rather sleep on a boulder than have that on my conscience.

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I'm sorry, you are mistaken that I care.

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I had no illusions about you caring. Like you, I felt the need to make a comment to everyone about the topics of this thread.

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You seem to have trouble grasping my last statement, so I'll say it again.

I had no illusions about you caring. Like you, I felt the need to make a comment to everyone about the topics of this thread.

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He doesn't even know what his own screen name really means, or how to properly pronounce it.
He just thinks saying things like "don't care" and "cool" show how tough he thinks he is.

MinotStateBeav said:

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BearForce2 said:

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AunBear89 said:

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Jack Posobiec and MyPillow Conman - lol.

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Used that code as well to get a mattress topper and pillow. No disappointment here

— USMC_0351 (@ekkhouser614) February 11, 2022

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I actually got a couple my pillows, I don't think I had a ton of expectation for them, but tbh they are really good.

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BREAKING: Mike Lindell to mass distribute MyPillows to Canadian truckers next week! pic.twitter.com/tzMYRkZC63

— RSBN 🇺🇸 (@RSBNetwork) February 12, 2022

BearForce2 said:

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cbbass1 said:

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If a city or state decides they want to have non-citizens vote in their city or state elections, who am I to say 'No'?

You did read that those non-citizens are still prohibited from voting for any Federal office, didn't you?

For foreign nationals in the U.S., there's two ways to go:

• allow them to work, under a visa, and to have rights to education & medical care (like Medicare For All); OR
• don't allow them to work if they don't have a work visa, and punish employers who hire them.

Think about it. The best way to have a government that serves a solid majority of its residents is for those residents to select the people who represent them, and approve the laws that apply to them.

For Federal Elections, the 15th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, makes it clear: "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."

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New York's own constitution state the rights of citizens to vote is guaranteed provided that such citizens are at least 18 years of age and has been in resident in the state for 30 days. It doesn't mention non-citizens. .

Think about it. The best way to have a government that serves a solid majority of its citizens is for those citizens to select the people who represent them, and approve the laws that apply to them.

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I agree. Having all >18 citizens vote gives democracy its best shot.

Two problems, though:

• GA, TX, SC, & several other states are denying legally-registered U.S. Citizens the right to vote. That's a problem.
• Having large numbers of foreign nationals living & working in the U.S., without political representation or power, leads to exploitation & abuse. Capital, and both political parties, have benefited from this exploitation.
• For most of the last 20 (or 40) years, having large numbers of foreign nationals adding to the surplus of Labor, at both ends of the skilled & unskilled ends of the employment spectrum, has led to a Great Divide in Labor. Workers who are in competition with each other are much more difficult to organize. That's why today's "Labor Shortage" has brought a wave of union organization, and some hope of finally re-balancing the huge imbalance of economic & political power in Capital's favor.