DiabloWags said:

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Goobear said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Goobear said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Goobear said:

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Got gas today and that was an expensive endeavor. What say you.

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It's like $8 per gallon in Europe. How much did you pay and where was it? Do you think people in Italy are demanding Biden lower their gas prices? How about in HK? South Korea? Jordan?

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I was born in Europe. Actually just was there so please spare me…they care less what we pay and I care less what they pay…

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Then you probably understand why prices are high. So why did you ask the question? You solicited open ended feedback and I obliged.

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Your answer was a non answer. You could have said well it should be double what we pay now. Or it sucks it should be half of what it is now..People in Europe know they made a mistake of depending on Russia for energy. It took a war to figure it out. I have told my friends in Europe for the last 10 years that dependency on Russia for this energy is a fools game….By you mentioning Biden it seems like you acknowledge that he could do something about it, my point if he can he should. Wind and solar are not going to be enough to wean us off fossil fuel. We will need to build nuclear reactors. The tech is much safer than it was in the past.

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Doesnt sound like your aware of how much LNG we export to Europe.
Do some homework.

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And yet Germany gets a lot of energy from Russia and has no infrastructure for direct import of LNG, hmmmmm

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-dependence-imported-fossil-fuels

WalterSobchak said:

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Cal_79 said:

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Aren't more CA cities passing regulations forbidding new construction projects from installing natural gas appliances in order to make residential and commercial buildings all-electric?

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I don't know, you tell me. You and nv are the ones making the claim of being "forced to use electricity." Do you personally have any LNG or propane burning appliances or have the "greenies" raided your homes and ripped them out?

What's the list of CA jurisdictions that have banned gas burning appliances?
What's the list of CA jurisdictions that haven't?
Is the ban always limited to new construction?
How many projects have been built under these new restrictions?
How many preexisting projects are there that are exempt from them?
Are there any other new requirements that might offset the grid demand of these new projects?
In short what possible correlation, let alone causation as you seem to imply, is there between these projects and intermittent grid shortfalls?

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https://www.sierraclub.org/articles/2021/07/californias-cities-lead-way-gas-free-future

BearForce2 said:

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Not again, Ted!!!😂😂😂 pic.twitter.com/N7GWEn9IgY

— il Donaldo Trumpo (@PapiTrumpo) March 2, 2022

FOX - "uninspired"
NBC - "didn't age well
Ted Cruz - "huh, what?"

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Funny.

wifeisafurd said:

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Sebastabear said:

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Since we are talking Tesla I'll throw in two cents, I spent a good chunk of my professional career analyzing Teslas's EV production. We spent hours on the factory floor, consulted with everyone from geologists to climatologists to chemists. Went through their Gantt chart for their first car on a line by line basis and talked to their executives, and others in the industry, for 100s of hours. I came to two conclusions.

First, the dirtiest electricity from the worst coal fired plant powering a fleet of Tesla's is still substantially cleaner in terms of overall greenhouse gas emissions than the emissions would be from an equivalent fleet of internal combustion engine vehicles. And of course the cleaner the electricity the better. But even worst case it's a remarkable improvement.*

Second, the idea that we can produce enough electricity to make a whole sale move to an EV world, or even a significant move, without nuclear power is fantasy. Nuclear absolutely has to be part of the solution. And we can't wait on this stuff. The global climate implications of ignoring this emission problem are simply far too dire and obvious. We need nuclear and we need it now.

*Edit to add: and yes, part of our emissions analysis included the emissions from mining, smelting, refining and transporting the rare earth minerals needed for battery production. Honestly those were an emissions rounding error. Their location in certain "geopolitically undesirable" parts of the world are more of an issue but there's a lot of work going into finding other sources for these minerals in more stable regions.

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Any feasibility to putting solar panels everywhere, such as on the tops of cars?

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Coming in from the Athens airport it is amazing to see the panels on almost every roof in the City. If what is close to a third world economy can do it....The one thing people don't get is both the solar farms and their distribution systems take up huge amounts of land. As someone who represented SCE, it was amazing the amount of battles we had with environmentalists trying to acquire (condemn) land and develop it for solar capacity. And it was very strange set of allies and opponents. For example, we would have the coastal Sierra Clubs helping our team politically and legally against Sierra Clubs from Inland Empire and Desert communities who opposed SCE. Might make some of you cynical.

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I wouldn't be cynical. I can imagine very legitimate differences of opinion regarding what is important for the desert in the Inland Empire between the coastal types and the local types.

dajo9 said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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oski003 said:

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Sebastabear said:

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Since we are talking Tesla I'll throw in two cents, I spent a good chunk of my professional career analyzing Teslas's EV production. We spent hours on the factory floor, consulted with everyone from geologists to climatologists to chemists. Went through their Gantt chart for their first car on a line by line basis and talked to their executives, and others in the industry, for 100s of hours. I came to two conclusions.

First, the dirtiest electricity from the worst coal fired plant powering a fleet of Tesla's is still substantially cleaner in terms of overall greenhouse gas emissions than the emissions would be from an equivalent fleet of internal combustion engine vehicles. And of course the cleaner the electricity the better. But even worst case it's a remarkable improvement.*

Second, the idea that we can produce enough electricity to make a whole sale move to an EV world, or even a significant move, without nuclear power is fantasy. Nuclear absolutely has to be part of the solution. And we can't wait on this stuff. The global climate implications of ignoring this emission problem are simply far too dire and obvious. We need nuclear and we need it now.

*Edit to add: and yes, part of our emissions analysis included the emissions from mining, smelting, refining and transporting the rare earth minerals needed for battery production. Honestly those were an emissions rounding error. Their location in certain "geopolitically undesirable" parts of the world are more of an issue but there's a lot of work going into finding other sources for these minerals in more stable regions.

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Any feasibility to putting solar panels everywhere, such as on the tops of cars?

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Coming in from the Athens airport it is amazing to see the panels on almost every roof in the City. If what is close to a third world economy can do it....The one thing people don't get is both the solar farms and their distribution systems take up huge amounts of land. As someone who represented SCE, it was amazing the amount of battles we had with environmentalists trying to acquire (condemn) land and develop it for solar capacity. And it was very strange set of allies and opponents. For example, we would have the coastal Sierra Clubs helping our team politically and legally against Sierra Clubs from Inland Empire and Desert communities who opposed SCE. Might make some of you cynical.

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I wouldn't be cynical. I can imagine very legitimate differences of opinion regarding what is important for the desert in the Inland Empire between the coastal types and the local types.

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And you would be correct sir.

Cal_79 said:

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https://www.sierraclub.org/articles/2021/07/californias-cities-lead-way-gas-free-future

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I still don't see how Californian's are being forced to use electricity or a connection between forced electric usage and occasional electricity supply shortfalls. None of the jurisdictions on this list force any existing home to proactively tear out any gas lines or equipment. Only 2 ever require removal, and even then only with a major remodel or addition. It only applies to future construction of some new homes. I haven't seen any evidence that this will significantly increase grid loads. In fact all of this new development will be required to install PV systems which will reduce grid load much of the time. The problem is much more what has been described by WIAF and Sebastabear. What can we do to backup PV in a clean way and speed up production of cleaner power for those who can't or refuse to adopt PV. But the fact is right now the vast majority of Californians have the legal ability, if not the financial means, to add PV with battery and generator backup, whether LNG or propane or gasoline or hybrid. That solution is far from perfect, but with widespread implementation it would significantly reduce both grid loads and resulting carbon emissions at the end user and production requirement levels. What I see without LNG hookups is a problem with reliable backup during grid outages, except these regulations tend to still allow fossil burning backup generators. To me this is a silly inconvenience and homes should still be allowed to have LNG for backup generation rather than pouring gasoline or swapping propane tanks. Fortunately, virtually all of them can.

Biden's claim: "The state of the union is strong." ???

skyrocketing inflation
supply chain crumbling
gas prices at 40 yr high
real wage stagnation
pandemic
impacts from lockdowns
crime at an all time high
southern border in crisis
Ukraine-Russia crisis

BearForce2 said:

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Biden's claim: "The state of the union is strong." ???

skyrocketing inflation
supply chain crumbling
gas prices at 40 yr high
real wage stagnation
pandemic
impacts from lockdowns
crime at an all time high
southern border in crisis
Ukraine-Russia crisis

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This list is full of garbage but the biggest piece if garbage is the crime claim. Crime was much, much higher when Reagan was President.

dajo9 said:

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BearForce2 said:

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Biden's claim: "The state of the union is strong." ???

skyrocketing inflation
supply chain crumbling
gas prices at 40 yr high
real wage stagnation
pandemic
impacts from lockdowns
crime at an all time high
southern border in crisis
Ukraine-Russia crisis

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This list is full of garbage but the biggest piece if garbage is the crime claim. Crime was much, much higher when Reagan was President.

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Democrats claim they don’t support Defunding the Police.

Here is 7 minutes of Democrats saying, “DEFUND THE POLICE!” pic.twitter.com/Y7lwPAnEiw

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) March 2, 2022

What about crime prior to Reconstruction? Let's just say crime is way up.

BearForce2 said:

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dajo9 said:

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BearForce2 said:

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Biden's claim: "The state of the union is strong." ???

skyrocketing inflation
supply chain crumbling
gas prices at 40 yr high
real wage stagnation
pandemic
impacts from lockdowns
crime at an all time high
southern border in crisis
Ukraine-Russia crisis

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This list is full of garbage but the biggest piece if garbage is the crime claim. Crime was much, much higher when Reagan was President.

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Democrats claim they don’t support Defunding the Police.

Here is 7 minutes of Democrats saying, “DEFUND THE POLICE!” pic.twitter.com/Y7lwPAnEiw

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) March 2, 2022

What about crime prior to Reconstruction? Let's just say crime is way up.

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It's not even way up. It's a non issue.

BearForce2 said:

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Biden's claim: "The state of the union is strong." ???

skyrocketing inflation
supply chain crumbling
gas prices at 40 yr high
real wage stagnation
pandemic
impacts from lockdowns
crime at an all time high
southern border in crisis
Ukraine-Russia crisis

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And your Ruble has been DESTROYED comrade!

DiabloWags said:

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BearForce2 said:

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Biden's claim: "The state of the union is strong." ???

skyrocketing inflation
supply chain crumbling
gas prices at 40 yr high
real wage stagnation
pandemic
impacts from lockdowns
crime at an all time high
southern border in crisis
Ukraine-Russia crisis

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And your Ruble has been DESTROYED comrade!

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4D Chess: U.S.-Mexico Border Disguised As Ukrainian Border So Democrats Will Defend It https://t.co/JjfBy4Mi4o

— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) March 3, 2022

Can you still move back in with your Mommy and Daddy?

BearForce2 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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BearForce2 said:

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Biden's claim: "The state of the union is strong." ???

skyrocketing inflation
supply chain crumbling
gas prices at 40 yr high
real wage stagnation
pandemic
impacts from lockdowns
crime at an all time high
southern border in crisis
Ukraine-Russia crisis

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And your Ruble has been DESTROYED comrade!

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4D Chess: U.S.-Mexico Border Disguised As Ukrainian Border So Democrats Will Defend It https://t.co/JjfBy4Mi4o

— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) March 3, 2022

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haha Babylon Bee is on fire today.

DiabloWags said:

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Can you still move back in with your Mommy and Daddy?

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His Mommy and Daddy still live with their Mommies and Daddys.

WalterSobchak said:

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Cal_79 said:

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https://www.sierraclub.org/articles/2021/07/californias-cities-lead-way-gas-free-future

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I still don't see how Californian's are being forced to use electricity or a connection between forced electric usage and occasional electricity supply shortfalls. None of the jurisdictions on this list force any existing home to proactively tear out any gas lines or equipment. Only 2 ever require removal, and even then only with a major remodel or addition. It only applies to future construction of some new homes. I haven't seen any evidence that this will significantly increase grid loads. In fact all of this new development will be required to install PV systems which will reduce grid load much of the time. The problem is much more what has been described by WIAF and Sebastabear. What can we do to backup PV in a clean way and speed up production of cleaner power for those who can't or refuse to adopt PV. But the fact is right now the vast majority of Californians have the legal ability, if not the financial means, to add PV with battery and generator backup, whether LNG or propane or gasoline or hybrid. That solution is far from perfect, but with widespread implementation it would significantly reduce both grid loads and resulting carbon emissions at the end user and production requirement levels. What I see without LNG hookups is a problem with reliable backup during grid outages, except these regulations tend to still allow fossil burning backup generators. To me this is a silly inconvenience and homes should still be allowed to have LNG for backup generation rather than pouring gasoline or swapping propane tanks. Fortunately, virtually all of them can.

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I suppose you're right, and Californians aren't really being forced to use electricity. When a Californian buys that new all eclecric home, they can simply leave all the kitchen applicances, HVAC, etc turned off. Of course, it might compolicate matters a bit when cities ban the use of natural gas.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jul/23/berkeley-natural-gas-ban-environment

Might be a good time to go into the candle business...

I had a great opportunity to learn about lithium battery recycling. Over 90% of the metals can be retained and the recovery process is less expensive than the mining process. The byproduct can mostly be used for fertilizer. This will be big, big, business in about a decade when the wave of lithium batteries sold in recent years start to die. Major companies are building out their growth plans now.

Cal_79 said:

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Might be a good time to go into the candle business...

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Is Gwynnie providing the scent?