Do you really think the American people are that stupid????

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oski003
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DiabloWags said:

oski003 said:



Stuff like this doesn't help...

https://biologicaldiversity.org/w/news/press-releases/santa-barbara-county-planning-commission-rejects-exxonmobils-plan-to-restart-offshore-platforms-truck-oil-2021-09-30/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7.com/amp/santa-barbara-county-oil-drilling-exxonmobil/11635705/


This just goes to show how utterly IGNORANT you are.

The 3rd largest oil spill in U.S. waters was off the coast of SANTA BARBARA in 1969.

Duh.



I am aware of this. Also aware of more recent spills. Duh. This just goes to show how utterly ignorant you are. Duh. This is my last post on this topic. Have fun.
DiabloWags
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Another Trump apologist that has no clue how the oil markets work. Better run back over to your 67 page vaccine thread.

Lol.
Eastern Oregon Bear
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BearForce2 said:

Eastern Oregon Bea said:

Trust no one.

Thanks for deleting 90% of my post and completely removing the point I was making. I expected nothing less from an intellectually lazy and dishonest individual with the morals of a sociopathic narcissist..
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oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

oski003 said:


You all just love talking past each other. It doesn't make you smarter.
The first 3 phases of the Keystone Pipeline are OPEN and have been in service.
Keystone XL was terminated by Biden because of environmental issues in Nebraska.

Canadian tar sand crude is very much different than conventional crude oil.
It has to be heated up in order to travel through a pipeline, which puts the risk at causing a leak at 2.5 to 3X that of conventional oil. It also doesnt get refined at a 1:1 rate as conventional oil given its bitumen properties.

But it still gets transported into the United States via rail-car, to either be refined or EXPORTED out of the U.S.




My quote starts with Phase 4. Duh.

I am also pretty sure everyone knows there are other ways to transport oil besides pipelines. Duh.


How much more oil would Phase 4 have brought to the global market? How would Phase 4 have impacted our energy independence? How would Phase 4 have lowered the price we pay at the gas pump?


Honestly, I don't know because there a ton of factors going into the pricing. There is no magic fix.

Stuff like this doesn't help...

https://biologicaldiversity.org/w/news/press-releases/santa-barbara-county-planning-commission-rejects-exxonmobils-plan-to-restart-offshore-platforms-truck-oil-2021-09-30/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7.com/amp/santa-barbara-county-oil-drilling-exxonmobil/11635705/


Doesn't help how? There is a global market for oil. It's nice to say we don't rely on foreign oil but unless we prohibit US oil from being exported, the price we pay at the pump will ALWAYS be controlled by OPEC.

If you read the article I posted earlier or do some research on the global oil markets you will see what what Diablo and I are saying makes sense. If we produce "too much" oil for domestic use, it will not drive down prices substantially but will result in greater exports.

Don't get me wrong, there may be some benefit to that for national security (in the event of an actual war, embargo, etc) and our economy (small GDP boost from producing more oil) but it's not the path to cheap gas that many are simplistically arguing. All of the oil that would have come with phase 4 of Keystone is making it to market, just through a different path. The reason our gas prices went up is because it became harder for Russian oil to get to market worldwide, not because of anything US specific.

You've fallen prey to Republican gaslighting (pun intended) but don't seem to understand how the market works. That's on you.


Wow, you certainly dubiously frame other people's arguments into black and white arguments to bolster whatever position you have. That's on you.

Regardless, there are many factors, but this is from EIA.

"What determines the cost of crude oil?
The cost of crude oil is the largest component of the retail price of gasoline, and the cost of crude oil as a share of the retail gasoline price varies over time and across regions of the country. Many factors affect crude oil prices; learn about seven major factors that influence crude oil prices in What Drives Crude Oil Prices? Increases in U.S. oil production in the past several years have helped reduce upward pressure on oil and gasoline prices."

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-affecting-gasoline-prices.php


Cool story but this doesn't contradict what I said. The government is saying when we produce more oil it reduces upward price pressure. I agree that producing more oil generally has an impact on the worldwide market but the problem is mostly the worldwide market. We don't stop Exxon from exporting oil and if they can fetch more overseas than domestically,they will.

I posted an article recently about this. Please feel free to let me know what you disagree with and why.

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/107414/replies/1996724
BearForce2
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DiabloWags said:

BearForce2 said:

DiabloWags said:

Trump promised us 4 to 5% GDP.
It never happened.
He lied.


This was what you were butthurt over all this time?


Im not the Clown who posted over 300 times in the 3 days leading up to the Election. That was you brah.

How's the ruble treating you?


I remember posting the cheating in real time, as it was happening. Sycasey got really upset too.
DiabloWags
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BearForce2 said:

DiabloWags said:

BearForce2 said:

DiabloWags said:

Trump promised us 4 to 5% GDP.
It never happened.
He lied.


This was what you were butthurt over all this time?


Im not the Clown who posted over 300 times in the 3 days leading up to the Election. That was you brah.

How's the ruble treating you?


I remember posting the cheating in real time, as it was happening. Sycasey got really upset too.

Bwaahahahahahahaaaaaaaa!
BearForce2
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Hunter Biden Bio Firm Partnered With Ukrainian Researchers 'Isolating Deadly Pathogens' Using Funds From Obama's Defense Department.

https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/03/24/biden-linked-company-partnered-with-ukraine-biolabs/
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helltopay1 said:

Do you really think the American people are that stupid????!


Of course!
That's easy to answer!
Millions of people voted for Trump.

(No need to listen to the tape of Kyrie Irving talking about the possibility of flat earth.)
DiabloWags
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concordtom said:

helltopay1 said:

Do you really think the American people are that stupid????!


Of course!
That's easy to answer!
Millions of people voted for Trump.

(No need to listen to the tape of Kyrie Irving talking about the possibility of flat earth.)

Great post!
BearForce2
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helltopay1 said:

MSM, Social media, Academia, Joe Biden and the late-night comics to the American people......"Oh, remember when we said the Hunter laptop story was Russian propaganda"?????sorry....Looks .like it was his laptop all along and everything in it was true including the part detailing Joes' corrupt deals with China and Ukraine." We are so sorry....probably cost Trump the election and damaged our reputation forever, but, Hey, we all make mistakes, right?????So shut up and pretend this did not happen. We promise...we promise never to lie to you again....Trump collusion hoax?????Hey, we lied about that too!!!!So sue me!!!!

BearForce2
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DiabloWags said:

BearForce2 said:

DiabloWags said:

Trump promised us 4 to 5% GDP.
It never happened.
He lied.


This was what you were butthurt over all this time?


Im not the Clown who posted over 300 times in the 3 days leading up to the Election. That was you brah.

How's the ruble treating you?




Comrade, the ruble is at a 5 year high thanks to Biden.
The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
SFCityBear
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BearForce2 said:

DiabloWags said:

BearForce2 said:

DiabloWags said:

Trump promised us 4 to 5% GDP.
It never happened.
He lied.


This was what you were butthurt over all this time?


Im not the Clown who posted over 300 times in the 3 days leading up to the Election. That was you brah.

How's the ruble treating you?




Comrade, the ruble is at a 5 year high thanks to Biden.
What else would we expect from this President? Ukraine asks for better arms and artillery to fight a war, and instead, Biden sends them Secretary Garland to teach them how to catch supposed Nazi war criminals and prosecute them. I thought he was only good at catching renegade parents who speak up at school board meetings. I wish he was more interested and able to enforce existing US laws to defend the rights of due process to Jan 6 protesters held indefinitely, some in solitary confinement, in the DC jail, or arresting and prosecuting protesters marching illegally in front of SCOTUS justices' private homes, in an effort to influence their decisions. I guess Merrick Garland goes where he is told to go, even if it is to Ukraine, and does what he is told to do.
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"Of the hundreds and hundreds of folks who have been arrested in the Capitol riots, the majority of them, most of them have received some sort of bail," Rahmani said. "But the folks that engaged in the most violent acts, they are being detained without bond."

A landmark decision on bond for Capitol Riot suspects handed down by the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia is part of the reason why.

In the case of United States v. Munchel, a three judge panel ruled those who "actually assaulted police officers and broke through windows, doors, and barricades, and those who aided, conspired with, planned, or coordinated such actions, are in a different category of dangerousness than those who cheered on the violence or entered the Capitol after others cleared the way."

The ruling instructed judges to release Capitol riot suspects, even if charged with serious crimes, unless the Department of Justice demonstrates a specific threat that defendant poses to the community.

The Court of Appeals said...the mere fact that you have these very strong political beliefs, that you had what may be considered a weapon on your person, that's not sufficient to hold someone indefinitely if they didn't engage in the most violent acts," Rahmani said. "The court did, however, distinguish between folks that actually did assault police officers did, you know, break windows force open doors and those types of things.

Which is why people like Julian Khater and George Tanios are still in jail on charges of Assault on Federal Officer with Dangerous Weapon and Conspiracy to Injure an Officer, among others, for allegedly spraying pepper spray into the faces of law enforcement like Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick.

Thomas Sibick is being held until his trial without bond on charges that include Assaulting, Resisting, or Impeding Certain Officers and Taking from a Person Anything of Value by Force and Violence, because he's accused of being part of the savage attack on DC Police Officer Mike Fanone and ripping Fanone's badge and radio right off his uniform."

January 6 Capitol riots latest: defendants held without bail 2021 | wusa9.com


https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/why-capitol-riot-defendants-being-held-without-bond-before-trial-january-6-congress/65-1e4d4dd6-eded-4187-85f1-d4dfcc3a9519

*I'm not sure if the hosts of Fox News opinion shows get into these fine points since they have a tendency to paint with a broad brush….especially when the details f@uck up the narrative de jour.
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In answer to HTP's question......YES.

Today, we learned of a Trump supporter who had no clue who Peggy Noonan is.
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