I dunno..this seems illegal to me.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/twilio-ceo-announces-11-of-employees-lose-jobs-anti-racist-focused-layoffs

"As you all know, we are committed to becoming an Anti-Racist/Anti-Oppression company," Lawson wrote. "Layoffs like this can have a more pronounced impact on marginalized communities, so we were particularly focused on ensuring our layoffs while a business necessity today were carried out through an Anti-Racist/Anti-Oppression lens."

Maybe they're shifting the focus from their poor management decisions causing them to layoff 11% of their workforce lol. Either way, this just screams "sue me"

What is Twilio? Is it related to Facebookio?

I wonder if anyone who feels oppressed because they get laid off can turn around and lay off CEO Jeff Lawson.-

Sounds like this guy was just playing Madlibs when composing this statement.

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Sounds like this guy was just playing Madlibs when composing this statement.

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I love how some minimize a 15 billion dollar San Francisco based company in what I perceive as an effort to make this a non-story. California is a hostile environment for business, even for a woke CEO. Yes, California dominates tech and entertainment despite this, and is still a great place to live.

okaydo said:

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What is Twilio? Is it related to Facebookio?

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https://www.twilio.com/go/twilio-brand-sales-namer-1?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=twilio&utm_campaign=G_S_NAMER_Brand_Twilio_Tier1&cq_plac=&cq_net=g&cq_pos=&cq_med=&cq_plt=gp&gclid=CjwKCAjwpqCZBhAbEiwAa7pXeSxilPGQAt3PwfYvSXkm6EecmAOSEwSCfbrxmk_eyv5iO1Bn7XYVURoCt28QAvD_BwE

I read this link and Twilio's Wiki and I still have no idea what it does because of all the technical jargon thrown around.

I *think* what it does is provide a customer service platform.

Is that right? Would it be easier to just say that?

What marketing hack wrote this? :

"Intelligent customer engagement - at scale

Twilio is a single platform with flexible APIs for any channel, built-in intelligence, and global infrastructure to support you at scale. Create the exact solution you need to engage customers at every step of their journey."

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sycasey said:

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Sounds like this guy was just playing Madlibs when composing this statement.

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I love how some minimize a 15 billion dollar San Francisco based company in what I perceive as an effort to make this a non-story. California is a hostile environment for business, even for a woke CEO. Yes, California dominates tech and entertainment despite this, and is still a great place to live.

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I'm not defending the CEO here. Seems pretty obvious to me he wanted to make layoffs purely for business reasons and tried to dress it up in "woke" language to make the bitter pill go down easier. Only his statement is such gibberish that it won't even do that.

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okaydo said:

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What is Twilio? Is it related to Facebookio?

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https://www.twilio.com/go/twilio-brand-sales-namer-1?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=twilio&utm_campaign=G_S_NAMER_Brand_Twilio_Tier1&cq_plac=&cq_net=g&cq_pos=&cq_med=&cq_plt=gp&gclid=CjwKCAjwpqCZBhAbEiwAa7pXeSxilPGQAt3PwfYvSXkm6EecmAOSEwSCfbrxmk_eyv5iO1Bn7XYVURoCt28QAvD_BwE

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With that kind of unwieldy URL, no wonder they're laying people off

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oski003 said:

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okaydo said:

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What is Twilio? Is it related to Facebookio?

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https://www.twilio.com/go/twilio-brand-sales-namer-1?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=twilio&utm_campaign=G_S_NAMER_Brand_Twilio_Tier1&cq_plac=&cq_net=g&cq_pos=&cq_med=&cq_plt=gp&gclid=CjwKCAjwpqCZBhAbEiwAa7pXeSxilPGQAt3PwfYvSXkm6EecmAOSEwSCfbrxmk_eyv5iO1Bn7XYVURoCt28QAvD_BwE

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With that kind of unwieldy URL, no wonder they're laying people off

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When you see a character salad URL like that, it's because some 3rd party as added a bunch of stuff to get credit for directing your internet traffic. In this case it looks like Google added the bunch of stuff when a search was done. Usually you can drop most of the URL and it'll still work just fine. I haven't tried it, but I expect that using just the first line up to and including the ? is all that's needed.

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I read this link and Twilio's Wiki and I still have no idea what it does because of all the technical jargon thrown around.

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I would suggest looking at who their customers are and how they incorporate the tech in their businesses.
At first glance, it looks like Twilio offers an SMS messaging platform that supports various API's.

Customer Stories | Twilio

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okaydo said:

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https://www.twilio.com/go/twilio-brand-sales-namer-1?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=twilio&utm_campaign=G_S_NAMER_Brand_Twilio_Tier1&cq_plac=&cq_net=g&cq_pos=&cq_med=&cq_plt=gp&gclid=CjwKCAjwpqCZBhAbEiwAa7pXeSxilPGQAt3PwfYvSXkm6EecmAOSEwSCfbrxmk_eyv5iO1Bn7XYVURoCt28QAvD_BwE

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With that kind of unwieldy URL, no wonder they're laying people off

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I think you are smarter than this.

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dimitrig said:

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I read this link and Twilio's Wiki and I still have no idea what it does because of all the technical jargon thrown around.

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I would suggest looking at who their customers are and how they incorporate the tech in their businesses.
At first glance, it looks like Twilio offers an SMS messaging platform that supports various API's.

Customer Stories | Twilio

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I suspect it's just a part of Twilio's business, but where I work, we use Twilio software to direct incoming customer calls. "Push 1 to hear about… Push 2 to talk to…" etc. It's not something I know much about, but I heard about it when Twilio was having an internet outage and it affected us.

"Twilio is an SMS company inspired by Twitter and co-founded by the rapper Coolio..."

Twilio is a great business that is getting ready for the reckoning that many businesses will face.

For people genuinely interested in what they do, every time you get a text message from Uber, it's being triggered by Uber's system and sent by Twilio. Vast majority of programmatic texts (think 2 factor authentication, shipping notifications, etc.) come through Twilio. They've expanded their product line so it's not just these sorts of messages, but that's a big part of the business and how they started.

The CEO's anti-racist message comprised 2 sentences in a relatively detailed layoff announcement. It was an attempt to message that they are taking efforts to prevent their layoffs from disproportionately impacting their employees of color. Everyone does an impact analysis when they do a layoff like this, but the traditional analysis is pretty rudimentary and focused on reducing lawsuits - not on achieving fair outcomes. For example, if 75% of your layoffs are in customer support (which tends to be the most diverse (and lowest paying) organization in tech) and 25% are in engineering (highest paying), even if your layoffs in each group are careful to be proportionate to the populations within that group, the overall impact may be far from it. When you outsource your CS team to international contractors, you are disproportionately impacting American people of color (arguably in favor of offshore people of color).

The people who are meant to understand his message understand what he's saying. I appreciate what they are messaging and the fact that they are addressing this. The people who don't like Minot are doing the faux conservative outrage that they do whenever anyone does anything that is intended to be thoughtful like this. By contrast, he cheers when Desantis kidnaps and defrauds asylum seekers and probably loves when Trump talks about "his" African Americans.

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Twilio is a great business that is getting ready for the reckoning that many businesses will face.

For people genuinely interested in what they do, every time you get a text message from Uber, it's being triggered by Uber's system and sent by Twilio. Vast majority of programmatic texts (think 2 factor authentication, shipping notifications, etc.) come through Twilio. They've expanded their product line so it's not just these sorts of messages, but that's a big part of the business and how they started.

The CEO's anti-racist message comprised 2 sentences in a relatively detailed layoff announcement. It was an attempt to message that they are taking efforts to prevent their layoffs from disproportionately impacting their employees of color. Everyone does an impact analysis when they do a layoff like this, but the traditional analysis is pretty rudimentary and focused on reducing lawsuits - not on achieving fair outcomes. For example, if 75% of your layoffs are in customer support (which tends to be the most diverse (and lowest paying) organization in tech) and 25% are in engineering (highest paying), even if your layoffs in each group are careful to be proportionate to the populations within that group, the overall impact may be far from it. When you outsource your CS team to international contractors, you are disproportionately impacting American people of color (arguably in favor of offshore people of color).

The people who are meant to understand his message understand what he's saying. I appreciate what they are messaging and the fact that they are addressing this. The people who don't like Minot are doing the faux conservative outrage that they do whenever anyone does anything that is intended to be thoughtful like this. By contrast, he cheers when Desantis kidnaps and defrauds asylum seekers and probably loves when Trump talks about "his" African Americans.

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Interesting company. Typical tech company - they've never come close to turning a profit, which presumably explains the layoffs.

So, as a practical matter, what does it mean to be "focused on ensuring our layoffs . . . were carried out through an Anti-Racist/Anti-Oppression lens"?

Is that just virtue signaling (i.e., purporting to acknowledge racism/oppression) or did they actually make employment and layoff decisions taking into account race/ethnicity/etc? If it is the later, that seems legally problematic.

You like the fact they are "addressing this" - what exactly are they doing that you like so much?

And the CEO announcing this is just plain stupid. Talk about inviting litigation/investigation. Maybe he's just trying to distract from the fact that the stock is down 80% in the last 18 months? Will they be taking steps to ensure that the stock plunge does not disproportionately affect investors (including employees who own stock) of color?

Unit2Sucks said:

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Twilio is a great business that is getting ready for the reckoning that many businesses will face.

For people genuinely interested in what they do, every time you get a text message from Uber, it's being triggered by Uber's system and sent by Twilio. Vast majority of programmatic texts (think 2 factor authentication, shipping notifications, etc.) come through Twilio. They've expanded their product line so it's not just these sorts of messages, but that's a big part of the business and how they started.

The CEO's anti-racist message comprised 2 sentences in a relatively detailed layoff announcement. It was an attempt to message that they are taking efforts to prevent their layoffs from disproportionately impacting their employees of color. Everyone does an impact analysis when they do a layoff like this, but the traditional analysis is pretty rudimentary and focused on reducing lawsuits - not on achieving fair outcomes. For example, if 75% of your layoffs are in customer support (which tends to be the most diverse (and lowest paying) organization in tech) and 25% are in engineering (highest paying), even if your layoffs in each group are careful to be proportionate to the populations within that group, the overall impact may be far from it. When you outsource your CS team to international contractors, you are disproportionately impacting American people of color (arguably in favor of offshore people of color).

The people who are meant to understand his message understand what he's saying. I appreciate what they are messaging and the fact that they are addressing this. The people who don't like Minot are doing the faux conservative outrage that they do whenever anyone does anything that is intended to be thoughtful like this. By contrast, he cheers when Desantis kidnaps and defrauds asylum seekers and probably loves when Trump talks about "his" African Americans.

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You have so much hate for me, that your brain breaks when you reply. The message your trying to convey to paper over this clown of a company is f'ing hilarious. De Santis didn't kidnap anybody and I don't know what your talking about in regards to Trump and "his african americans" I'll just assume you called me racist and laugh at your pea brain. Anyway, if you stroke out don't forget your life alert.

Such a hateful little MAGA. Performative nonsense.

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Such a hateful little MAGA. Performative nonsense.

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What a cute new word, "performative."

I don't understand your condescending attitude (beyond you just being your smug little self). It is a word. It is not new.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/performative

I am using it in its third sense here. This has been a free English lesson for the intellectually deficient GOP.

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I don't understand your condescending attitude (beyond you just being your smug little self). It is a word. It is not new.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/performative

I am using it in its third sense here. This has been a free English lesson for the intellectually deficient GOP.

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I was just impressed that you branched out in your use of the English language. I thought you were just programmed to do a half dozen insults. You have gone beyond Johnny Five.

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And the CEO announcing this is just plain stupid. Talk about inviting litigation/investigation. Maybe he's just trying to distract from the fact that the stock is down 80% in the last 18 months? Will they be taking steps to ensure that the stock plunge does not disproportionately affect investors (including employees who own stock) of color?

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Funny.

The stock still has a market cap of roughly $14 BILLION.
Down from a Covid infused peak of $80 BILLION when it was trading at +35x sales.

It's not like TWLO suffered a stock specific decline from it's peak of 18 months ago amongst its peers and every other growth stock on the board as the Covid stimulus "bubble" in that sector of the market got sold and investors rotated into cyclical/value names that benefitted from a reopening of the economy, not too mention inflation.

Never mind the change in monetary policy by the FED at the end of last year that increased rates and decreased future cash flows modeled by equity analysts which impacted the entire tech sector, especially those companies that are not EBITDA cash flow positive yet. Never mind that the FED increased M2 by an unprecedented 40% from March of 2020 to January of 2022. Never mind that their "mea culpa" on transitory inflation has lead to a Bear market.

Wow. I guess you aren't familiar with my work. I've been calling the behavior of the right wing clown car on BI "performative nonsense" for years. If you are only paying attention now because you are now driving the car, that's on you.

Furthermore, I can write circles around you and am perfectly capable of in depth substantive conversations, I just don't bother to waste my time with the clown car posse because there is no point. The stupid is too strong, creating a force field of dumb that deflects facts and details and we'll reasoned arguments.

Arguing with a BI conservative is like arguing with a three year old.

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Wow. I guess you aren't familiar with my work. I've been calling the behavior of the right wing clown car on BI "performative nonsense" for years. If you are only paying attention now because you are now driving the car, that's on you.

Furthermore, I can write circles around you and am perfectly capable of in depth substantive conversations, I just don't bother to waste my time with the clown car posse because there is no point. The stupid is too strong, creating a force field of dumb that deflects facts and details and we'll reasoned arguments.

Arguing with a BI conservative is like arguing with a three year old.

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You are capable of in depth substantive conversations but don't waste your time with the clown car posse. Good to know. I figured you went to Cal, and there was a light on there somewhere. Don't act surprised when you are talked down to after you throw insult after insult at people. You used to direct insults specifically at people. This seems to have gotten you temporarily banned. Now you oh so cleverly respond to people's posts by insulting Republicans generally, as if you aren't actually insulting a person specifically.

Wow - you must be some kinda genius. Did you figure all of that out by yourself after you ran crying to Greg that the mean ol' lefty called you a name?

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Wow - you must be some kinda genius. Did you figure all of that out by yourself after you ran crying to Greg that the mean ol' lefty called you a name?

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Chill out, dude.

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BearGoggles said:

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And the CEO announcing this is just plain stupid. Talk about inviting litigation/investigation. Maybe he's just trying to distract from the fact that the stock is down 80% in the last 18 months? Will they be taking steps to ensure that the stock plunge does not disproportionately affect investors (including employees who own stock) of color?

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You're a funny guy.
The stock still has a market cap of roughly $14 BILLION.
Down from a Covid infused peak of $80 Billion.

t's not like TWLO suffered a stock specific decline from it's peak of 18 months ago amongst its peers and every other growth stock on the board as the Covid stimulus "bubble" in that sector of the market got sold and investors rotated into cyclical/value names that benefitted from a reopeining of the economy, not too mention inflation.

It doesnt sound like you're very knowledgeable about the markets, let alone "growth" stocks.
And it shows.

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The only real knock on Twilio is that the nature of their business reduces their gross margins relative to other software providers. It has a phenomenal moat and will be a great position to hold long-term.

I don't invest in individual public equities any more but if I did Twilio would be close to the top of my list, if not the very top. I have seen no reason to doubt that they will continue to achieve high topline growth for the next few years, as they've projected ($5B+ for 2024). Looking at profitability of high-growth companies without regard to the operating environment, as BG seems to be doing, is not a particularly useful lens for evaluation of long-term prospects, particularly with software companies like Twilio.

I'm not providing any investment advice and don't recommend anyone invest in individual securities, it's risky and most people underperform the market when they pick individual stocks but I did want to respond to BG's comments because while historical profitability is informative, it's not the primary tool that markets use to evaluate companies like Twilio.

Unit2Sucks said:

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Looking at profitability of high-growth companies without regard to the operating environment, as BG seems to be doing, is not a particularly useful lens for evaluation of long-term prospects, particularly with software companies like Twilio.

I'm not providing any investment advice and don't recommend anyone invest in individual securities, it's risky and most people underperform the market when they pick individual stocks but I did want to respond to BG's comments because while historical profitability is informative, it's not the primary tool that markets use to evaluate companies like Twilio.

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Bingo.

Here is a Twilio description that makes sense:

"Twilio is a cloud communications platform that enables developers to build, scale, and operate customer engagement within software applications."

Source: Twilio Is a Sell as its Growth Story Has Failed to Bring Any Profits Yet

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Looking at profitability of high-growth companies without regard to the operating environment, as BG seems to be doing, is not a particularly useful lens for evaluation of long-term prospects, particularly with software companies like Twilio.

I'm not providing any investment advice and don't recommend anyone invest in individual securities, it's risky and most people underperform the market when they pick individual stocks but I did want to respond to BG's comments because while historical profitability is informative, it's not the primary tool that markets use to evaluate companies like Twilio.

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Bingo.

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It is pretty funny - and completely typical - that both Unit2 and Diablo avoid the substantive argument about the CEO's statements (and not answer my direct questions) and instead want to turn this into a discussion of stock valuation.

The stock is down 80% - that's a fact. Its clear that the CEO is trying to distract from that and likely get ahead of some bad financials with woke nonsense that is potentially illegal.

Maybe its a great investment at that price - go for it.

Here, again, were the questions:

So, as a practical matter, what does it mean to be "focused on ensuring our layoffs . . . were carried out through an Anti-Racist/Anti-Oppression lens"?

Is that just virtue signaling (i.e., purporting to acknowledge racism/oppression) or did they actually make employment and layoff decisions taking into account race/ethnicity/etc? If it is the later, that seems legally problematic.

You like the fact they are "addressing this" - what exactly are they doing that you like so much?

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DiabloWags said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Looking at profitability of high-growth companies without regard to the operating environment, as BG seems to be doing, is not a particularly useful lens for evaluation of long-term prospects, particularly with software companies like Twilio.

I'm not providing any investment advice and don't recommend anyone invest in individual securities, it's risky and most people underperform the market when they pick individual stocks but I did want to respond to BG's comments because while historical profitability is informative, it's not the primary tool that markets use to evaluate companies like Twilio.

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Bingo.

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It is pretty funny - and completely typical - that both Unit2 and Diablo avoid the substantive argument about the CEO's statements (and not answer my direct questions) and instead want to turn this into a discussion of stock valuation.

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Speaking of not answering direct questions . . .
Typical.

Trump Says FBI is Searching Mar-a-Lago! - Page 17 | Bear Insider

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Wow. I guess you aren't familiar with my work. I've been calling the behavior of the right wing clown car on BI "performative nonsense" for years. If you are only paying attention now because you are now driving the car, that's on you.

Furthermore, I can write circles around you and am perfectly capable of in depth substantive conversations, I just don't bother to waste my time with the clown car posse because there is no point. The stupid is too strong, creating a force field of dumb that deflects facts and details and we'll reasoned arguments.

Arguing with a BI conservative is like arguing with a three year old.

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AunBear89, it's true that, when you get past insults, you write some really good stuff. You should do it more often. If it's "really good stuff" vs. a "three year old", what's wrong with that? Maybe it would make them seem like a two year old!

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Looking at profitability of high-growth companies without regard to the operating environment, as BG seems to be doing, is not a particularly useful lens for evaluation of long-term prospects, particularly with software companies like Twilio.

I'm not providing any investment advice and don't recommend anyone invest in individual securities, it's risky and most people underperform the market when they pick individual stocks but I did want to respond to BG's comments because while historical profitability is informative, it's not the primary tool that markets use to evaluate companies like Twilio.

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Bingo.

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It is pretty funny - and completely typical - that both Unit2 and Diablo avoid the substantive argument about the CEO's statements (and not answer my direct questions) and instead want to turn this into a discussion of stock valuation.

The stock is down 80% - that's a fact. Its clear that the CEO is trying to distract from that and likely get ahead of some bad financials with woke nonsense that is potentially illegal.

Maybe its a great investment at that price - go for it.

Here, again, were the questions:

So, as a practical matter, what does it mean to be "focused on ensuring our layoffs . . . were carried out through an Anti-Racist/Anti-Oppression lens"?

Is that just virtue signaling (i.e., purporting to acknowledge racism/oppression) or did they actually make employment and layoff decisions taking into account race/ethnicity/etc? If it is the later, that seems legally problematic.

You like the fact they are "addressing this" - what exactly are they doing that you like so much?

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I've already answered this question in some detail above - before you chimed in with your deplorable signaling. Based on the two lines in the public CEO letter it's impossible for me to speculate much more than I already have. Twilio has real lawyers (I know a few of them) and I would imagine they are being quite well advised by outside counsel. The fact that you consider it "legally problematic" isn't a needle-mover for anyone.

I do love that you indignantly demand responses to your question here when you refuse to address prior comments you made in the Trump MAL thread more than a month ago (see here). Shades of BG disappearing after his early pandemic speculation proved laughable. I'm sure you are just waiting for some foot fault on the part of the government so you can white knight for Trump again, although you will tell us you are no fan of his.

Would be remiss if I didn't add that the easiest way to trigger a conservative in 2022 is to attempt not to be racist.

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I do love that you indignantly demand responses to your question here when you refuse to address prior comments you made in the Trump MAL thread more than a month ago (see here). Shades of BG disappearing after his early pandemic speculation proved laughable. I'm sure you are just waiting for some foot fault on the part of the government so you can white knight for Trump again, although you will tell us you are no fan of his.

Would be remiss if I didn't add that the easiest way to trigger a conservative in 2022 is to attempt not to be racist.

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This is the typical "playbook."
We've seen it play out time and again here.

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Looking at profitability of high-growth companies without regard to the operating environment, as BG seems to be doing, is not a particularly useful lens for evaluation of long-term prospects, particularly with software companies like Twilio.

I'm not providing any investment advice and don't recommend anyone invest in individual securities, it's risky and most people underperform the market when they pick individual stocks but I did want to respond to BG's comments because while historical profitability is informative, it's not the primary tool that markets use to evaluate companies like Twilio.

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Bingo.

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It is pretty funny - and completely typical - that both Unit2 and Diablo avoid the substantive argument about the CEO's statements (and not answer my direct questions) and instead want to turn this into a discussion of stock valuation.

The stock is down 80% - that's a fact. Its clear that the CEO is trying to distract from that and likely get ahead of some bad financials with woke nonsense that is potentially illegal.

Maybe its a great investment at that price - go for it.

Here, again, were the questions:

So, as a practical matter, what does it mean to be "focused on ensuring our layoffs . . . were carried out through an Anti-Racist/Anti-Oppression lens"?

Is that just virtue signaling (i.e., purporting to acknowledge racism/oppression) or did they actually make employment and layoff decisions taking into account race/ethnicity/etc? If it is the later, that seems legally problematic.

You like the fact they are "addressing this" - what exactly are they doing that you like so much?

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I've already answered this question in some detail above - before you chimed in with your deplorable signaling. Based on the two lines in the public CEO letter it's impossible for me to speculate much more than I already have. Twilio has real lawyers (I know a few of them) and I would imagine they are being quite well advised by outside counsel. The fact that you consider it "legally problematic" isn't a needle-mover for anyone.

I do love that you indignantly demand responses to your question here when you refuse to address prior comments you made in the Trump MAL thread more than a month ago (see here). Shades of BG disappearing after his early pandemic speculation proved laughable. I'm sure you are just waiting for some foot fault on the part of the government so you can white knight for Trump again, although you will tell us you are no fan of his.

Would be remiss if I didn't add that the easiest way to trigger a conservative in 2022 is to attempt not to be racist.

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Actually - you didn't answer the question. You claim to "like that he's addressing this" but can't point to a single thing he did other than offer a vapid statement. So either you love the empty virtue signaling in and of itself or you think something tangible happened. Which is it?

And on the legal issue, we both know it is very problematic for any employer to make hiring/firing decisions based on race and to then announce that. Imagine if an employer announced they were favoring white or Asian employees? So you dodged addressing that as well.

I just responded to your post in the separate thread which I had not seen until you linked to it above. I haven't been mucking around in this cesspool for the last month or so - was super busy with work, then a vacation, and generally living in real life (and to some extent interacting on the football boards). I only came back over since I have a bit of extra time this week (stuck at home with Covid).

The circle jerk over here never disappoints. That's for sure. It is actually pretty boring to watch of bunch of people, in a bubble they refuse to acknowledge, smugly agree with each other, all totally convinced there is no possible honestly held and supportable differing view. Carry on!