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If there's one thing that's crystal clear at this point (as BG has pointed out), it's that DeSantis is very smart (he went to Harvard AND Yale!) and makes the sorts of intelligent decisions that Democrats can only dream of.

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For those who haven't heard, the NC Supreme Court recently came under conservative control and the results have been unsurprising - on Friday they ruled against common sense in 3 separate cases, 2 of which had already been decided by the same court a few months ago (before it flipped to GOP control) in the other direction.

In depth article here. Tweets below. I'm sure there will be lots of arguments from conservatives about why this is really a good thing or how things are supposed to work, but it's pretty clear the intent is to maintain and increase GOP control of the state, regardless of the wishes of voters.

I don't remember who it is that said that if the GOP knows it can't win elections democratically, it won't abandon its losing policies it will just abandon democracy. This is what we're seeing.






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Unit2Sucks said:

For those who haven't heard, the NC Supreme Court recently came under conservative control and the results have been unsurprising - on Friday they ruled against common sense in 3 separate cases, 2 of which had already been decided by the same court a few months ago (before it flipped to GOP control) in the other direction.

In depth article here. Tweets below. I'm sure there will be lots of arguments from conservatives about why this is really a good thing or how things are supposed to work, but it's pretty clear the intent is to maintain and increase GOP control of the state, regardless of the wishes of voters.

I don't remember who it is that said that if the GOP knows it can't win elections democratically, it won't abandon its losing policies it will just abandon democracy. This is what we're seeing.









How/why did the court flip because of the results of the midterm elections?

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dimitrig said:

Unit2Sucks said:

For those who haven't heard, the NC Supreme Court recently came under conservative control and the results have been unsurprising - on Friday they ruled against common sense in 3 separate cases, 2 of which had already been decided by the same court a few months ago (before it flipped to GOP control) in the other direction.

In depth article here. Tweets below. I'm sure there will be lots of arguments from conservatives about why this is really a good thing or how things are supposed to work, but it's pretty clear the intent is to maintain and increase GOP control of the state, regardless of the wishes of voters.

I don't remember who it is that said that if the GOP knows it can't win elections democratically, it won't abandon its losing policies it will just abandon democracy. This is what we're seeing.









How/why did the court flip because of the results of the midterm elections?


In 2018, NC switched to the partisan election of SC judges to 8-year terms, probably because at that time the GOP who controlled the state didn't like what the judges were doing. Lots of outside money came in, as you would expect. The elections were extremely close and essentially came down on party lines - 52-48. What's not clear to me is how they determined the partisanship of the judges who were elected prior to 2018 since they weren't the product of partisan elections.

If the conservative judges hadn't won, the RWNJs would be claiming Soros, that much is sure. Instead, they will say that elections have consequences and that this is the will of the people, regardless of financial influence. Unlike with normal politicians, court decisions are really supposed to be based on, you know, justice, the constitution etc. but that feels like ancient history. We've become so politicized that we've accepted that judges should be partisan and GOP in NC abandoned the entire notion of an independent judiciary. To me this is just more evidence that rather than abandon conservatism, they will abandon democracy. The partisan SC in NC has now made it a lot harder for the will of the people to be reflected in elections and the intent was specifically to prevent the will of black people (~1/4 of the state) from being heard.

Here's an impartial summary:

Quote:

Richard Dietz (R) defeated Lucy N. Inman (D), and Trey Allen (R) defeated incumbent Sam Ervin IV (D), in partisan elections for two North Carolina Supreme Court seats on November 8, 2022. As a result of these elections, the court flipped from a 4-3 Democratic majority to a 5-2 Republican majority in 2023. Heading into the 2020 election, Democrats had a 6-1 majority on the court.

Justice Robin Hudson (D) did not run for re-election in 2022 because she was nearing the court's mandatory retirement age.[url=https://ballotpedia.org/North_Carolina_Supreme_Court_elections,_2022#cite_note-1][1][/url] Dietz and Inman, both judges on the North Carolina Court of Appeals, ran to succeed her.

North Carolina began using partisan elections for judicial selection in 2018. Supreme court justices are elected to eight-year terms.




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Unit2Sucks said:

dimitrig said:

Unit2Sucks said:

For those who haven't heard, the NC Supreme Court recently came under conservative control and the results have been unsurprising - on Friday they ruled against common sense in 3 separate cases, 2 of which had already been decided by the same court a few months ago (before it flipped to GOP control) in the other direction.

In depth article here. Tweets below. I'm sure there will be lots of arguments from conservatives about why this is really a good thing or how things are supposed to work, but it's pretty clear the intent is to maintain and increase GOP control of the state, regardless of the wishes of voters.

I don't remember who it is that said that if the GOP knows it can't win elections democratically, it won't abandon its losing policies it will just abandon democracy. This is what we're seeing.







How/why did the court flip because of the results of the midterm elections?
In 2018, NC switched to the partisan election of SC judges to 8-year terms, probably because at that time the GOP who controlled the state didn't like what the judges were doing. Lots of outside money came in, as you would expect. The elections were extremely close and essentially came down on party lines - 52-48. What's not clear to me is how they determined the partisanship of the judges who were elected prior to 2018 since they weren't the product of partisan elections.

If the conservative judges hadn't won, the RWNJs would be claiming Soros, that much is sure. Instead, they will say that elections have consequences and that this is the will of the people, regardless of financial influence. Unlike with normal politicians, court decisions are really supposed to be based on, you know, justice, the constitution etc. but that feels like ancient history. We've become so politicized that we've accepted that judges should be partisan and GOP in NC abandoned the entire notion of an independent judiciary. To me this is just more evidence that rather than abandon conservatism, they will abandon democracy. The partisan SC in NC has now made it a lot harder for the will of the people to be reflected in elections and the intent was specifically to prevent the will of black people (~1/4 of the state) from being heard.

Here's an impartial summary:

Quote:

Richard Dietz (R) defeated Lucy N. Inman (D), and Trey Allen (R) defeated incumbent Sam Ervin IV (D), in partisan elections for two North Carolina Supreme Court seats on November 8, 2022. As a result of these elections, the court flipped from a 4-3 Democratic majority to a 5-2 Republican majority in 2023. Heading into the 2020 election, Democrats had a 6-1 majority on the court.

Justice Robin Hudson (D) did not run for re-election in 2022 because she was nearing the court's mandatory retirement age.[url=https://ballotpedia.org/North_Carolina_Supreme_Court_elections,_2022#cite_note-1][1][/url] Dietz and Inman, both judges on the North Carolina Court of Appeals, ran to succeed her.

North Carolina began using partisan elections for judicial selection in 2018. Supreme court justices are elected to eight-year terms.


The idea of electing Supreme Court justices seems wrong. I can't believe 21 states choose their Supreme Courts that way.



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dimitrig said:

Unit2Sucks said:

dimitrig said:

Unit2Sucks said:

For those who haven't heard, the NC Supreme Court recently came under conservative control and the results have been unsurprising - on Friday they ruled against common sense in 3 separate cases, 2 of which had already been decided by the same court a few months ago (before it flipped to GOP control) in the other direction.

In depth article here. Tweets below. I'm sure there will be lots of arguments from conservatives about why this is really a good thing or how things are supposed to work, but it's pretty clear the intent is to maintain and increase GOP control of the state, regardless of the wishes of voters.

I don't remember who it is that said that if the GOP knows it can't win elections democratically, it won't abandon its losing policies it will just abandon democracy. This is what we're seeing.







How/why did the court flip because of the results of the midterm elections?
In 2018, NC switched to the partisan election of SC judges to 8-year terms, probably because at that time the GOP who controlled the state didn't like what the judges were doing. Lots of outside money came in, as you would expect. The elections were extremely close and essentially came down on party lines - 52-48. What's not clear to me is how they determined the partisanship of the judges who were elected prior to 2018 since they weren't the product of partisan elections.

If the conservative judges hadn't won, the RWNJs would be claiming Soros, that much is sure. Instead, they will say that elections have consequences and that this is the will of the people, regardless of financial influence. Unlike with normal politicians, court decisions are really supposed to be based on, you know, justice, the constitution etc. but that feels like ancient history. We've become so politicized that we've accepted that judges should be partisan and GOP in NC abandoned the entire notion of an independent judiciary. To me this is just more evidence that rather than abandon conservatism, they will abandon democracy. The partisan SC in NC has now made it a lot harder for the will of the people to be reflected in elections and the intent was specifically to prevent the will of black people (~1/4 of the state) from being heard.

Here's an impartial summary:

Quote:

Richard Dietz (R) defeated Lucy N. Inman (D), and Trey Allen (R) defeated incumbent Sam Ervin IV (D), in partisan elections for two North Carolina Supreme Court seats on November 8, 2022. As a result of these elections, the court flipped from a 4-3 Democratic majority to a 5-2 Republican majority in 2023. Heading into the 2020 election, Democrats had a 6-1 majority on the court.

Justice Robin Hudson (D) did not run for re-election in 2022 because she was nearing the court's mandatory retirement age.[url=https://ballotpedia.org/North_Carolina_Supreme_Court_elections,_2022#cite_note-1][1][/url] Dietz and Inman, both judges on the North Carolina Court of Appeals, ran to succeed her.

North Carolina began using partisan elections for judicial selection in 2018. Supreme court justices are elected to eight-year terms.


The idea of electing Supreme Court justices seems wrong. I can't believe 21 states choose their Supreme Courts that way.






There is no magic to a judge's robe. You can either have politicized judge's or unelected, unaccountable dictators. The key is to limit the power of judge's as our Constitution is actually written.

North Carolina chooses judges in a better manner than the United States. Let elections have consequences.
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dajo9 said:

dimitrig said:

Unit2Sucks said:

dimitrig said:

Unit2Sucks said:

For those who haven't heard, the NC Supreme Court recently came under conservative control and the results have been unsurprising - on Friday they ruled against common sense in 3 separate cases, 2 of which had already been decided by the same court a few months ago (before it flipped to GOP control) in the other direction.

In depth article here. Tweets below. I'm sure there will be lots of arguments from conservatives about why this is really a good thing or how things are supposed to work, but it's pretty clear the intent is to maintain and increase GOP control of the state, regardless of the wishes of voters.

I don't remember who it is that said that if the GOP knows it can't win elections democratically, it won't abandon its losing policies it will just abandon democracy. This is what we're seeing.







How/why did the court flip because of the results of the midterm elections?
In 2018, NC switched to the partisan election of SC judges to 8-year terms, probably because at that time the GOP who controlled the state didn't like what the judges were doing. Lots of outside money came in, as you would expect. The elections were extremely close and essentially came down on party lines - 52-48. What's not clear to me is how they determined the partisanship of the judges who were elected prior to 2018 since they weren't the product of partisan elections.

If the conservative judges hadn't won, the RWNJs would be claiming Soros, that much is sure. Instead, they will say that elections have consequences and that this is the will of the people, regardless of financial influence. Unlike with normal politicians, court decisions are really supposed to be based on, you know, justice, the constitution etc. but that feels like ancient history. We've become so politicized that we've accepted that judges should be partisan and GOP in NC abandoned the entire notion of an independent judiciary. To me this is just more evidence that rather than abandon conservatism, they will abandon democracy. The partisan SC in NC has now made it a lot harder for the will of the people to be reflected in elections and the intent was specifically to prevent the will of black people (~1/4 of the state) from being heard.

Here's an impartial summary:

Quote:

Richard Dietz (R) defeated Lucy N. Inman (D), and Trey Allen (R) defeated incumbent Sam Ervin IV (D), in partisan elections for two North Carolina Supreme Court seats on November 8, 2022. As a result of these elections, the court flipped from a 4-3 Democratic majority to a 5-2 Republican majority in 2023. Heading into the 2020 election, Democrats had a 6-1 majority on the court.

Justice Robin Hudson (D) did not run for re-election in 2022 because she was nearing the court's mandatory retirement age.[url=https://ballotpedia.org/North_Carolina_Supreme_Court_elections,_2022#cite_note-1][1][/url] Dietz and Inman, both judges on the North Carolina Court of Appeals, ran to succeed her.

North Carolina began using partisan elections for judicial selection in 2018. Supreme court justices are elected to eight-year terms.


The idea of electing Supreme Court justices seems wrong. I can't believe 21 states choose their Supreme Courts that way.






There is no magic to a judge's robe. You can either have politicized judge's or unelected, unaccountable dictators. The key is to limit the power of judge's as our Constitution is actually written.

North Carolina chooses judges in a better manner than the United States. Let elections have consequences.


I disagree. The public is not able to vet the qualifications of judges. Los Angeles County puts its judges on the ballot and I do a little research but I really don't feel qualified to have an opinion. I think the judicial branch benefits by not being subject to the whims of the electorate. We already have branches of government that serve that purpose.
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dimitrig said:

dajo9 said:

dimitrig said:

Unit2Sucks said:

dimitrig said:

Unit2Sucks said:

For those who haven't heard, the NC Supreme Court recently came under conservative control and the results have been unsurprising - on Friday they ruled against common sense in 3 separate cases, 2 of which had already been decided by the same court a few months ago (before it flipped to GOP control) in the other direction.

In depth article here. Tweets below. I'm sure there will be lots of arguments from conservatives about why this is really a good thing or how things are supposed to work, but it's pretty clear the intent is to maintain and increase GOP control of the state, regardless of the wishes of voters.

I don't remember who it is that said that if the GOP knows it can't win elections democratically, it won't abandon its losing policies it will just abandon democracy. This is what we're seeing.







How/why did the court flip because of the results of the midterm elections?
In 2018, NC switched to the partisan election of SC judges to 8-year terms, probably because at that time the GOP who controlled the state didn't like what the judges were doing. Lots of outside money came in, as you would expect. The elections were extremely close and essentially came down on party lines - 52-48. What's not clear to me is how they determined the partisanship of the judges who were elected prior to 2018 since they weren't the product of partisan elections.

If the conservative judges hadn't won, the RWNJs would be claiming Soros, that much is sure. Instead, they will say that elections have consequences and that this is the will of the people, regardless of financial influence. Unlike with normal politicians, court decisions are really supposed to be based on, you know, justice, the constitution etc. but that feels like ancient history. We've become so politicized that we've accepted that judges should be partisan and GOP in NC abandoned the entire notion of an independent judiciary. To me this is just more evidence that rather than abandon conservatism, they will abandon democracy. The partisan SC in NC has now made it a lot harder for the will of the people to be reflected in elections and the intent was specifically to prevent the will of black people (~1/4 of the state) from being heard.

Here's an impartial summary:

Quote:

Richard Dietz (R) defeated Lucy N. Inman (D), and Trey Allen (R) defeated incumbent Sam Ervin IV (D), in partisan elections for two North Carolina Supreme Court seats on November 8, 2022. As a result of these elections, the court flipped from a 4-3 Democratic majority to a 5-2 Republican majority in 2023. Heading into the 2020 election, Democrats had a 6-1 majority on the court.

Justice Robin Hudson (D) did not run for re-election in 2022 because she was nearing the court's mandatory retirement age.[url=https://ballotpedia.org/North_Carolina_Supreme_Court_elections,_2022#cite_note-1][1][/url] Dietz and Inman, both judges on the North Carolina Court of Appeals, ran to succeed her.

North Carolina began using partisan elections for judicial selection in 2018. Supreme court justices are elected to eight-year terms.


The idea of electing Supreme Court justices seems wrong. I can't believe 21 states choose their Supreme Courts that way.






There is no magic to a judge's robe. You can either have politicized judge's or unelected, unaccountable dictators. The key is to limit the power of judge's as our Constitution is actually written.

North Carolina chooses judges in a better manner than the United States. Let elections have consequences.


I disagree. The public is not able to vet the qualifications of judges. Los Angeles County puts its judges on the ballot and I do a little research but I really don't feel qualified to have an opinion. I think the judicial branch benefits by not being subject to the whims of the electorate. We already have branches of government that serve that purpose.



How do you think judges should be chosen?
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dimitrig
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dajo9 said:

dimitrig said:

dajo9 said:

dimitrig said:

Unit2Sucks said:

dimitrig said:

Unit2Sucks said:

For those who haven't heard, the NC Supreme Court recently came under conservative control and the results have been unsurprising - on Friday they ruled against common sense in 3 separate cases, 2 of which had already been decided by the same court a few months ago (before it flipped to GOP control) in the other direction.

In depth article here. Tweets below. I'm sure there will be lots of arguments from conservatives about why this is really a good thing or how things are supposed to work, but it's pretty clear the intent is to maintain and increase GOP control of the state, regardless of the wishes of voters.

I don't remember who it is that said that if the GOP knows it can't win elections democratically, it won't abandon its losing policies it will just abandon democracy. This is what we're seeing.







How/why did the court flip because of the results of the midterm elections?
In 2018, NC switched to the partisan election of SC judges to 8-year terms, probably because at that time the GOP who controlled the state didn't like what the judges were doing. Lots of outside money came in, as you would expect. The elections were extremely close and essentially came down on party lines - 52-48. What's not clear to me is how they determined the partisanship of the judges who were elected prior to 2018 since they weren't the product of partisan elections.

If the conservative judges hadn't won, the RWNJs would be claiming Soros, that much is sure. Instead, they will say that elections have consequences and that this is the will of the people, regardless of financial influence. Unlike with normal politicians, court decisions are really supposed to be based on, you know, justice, the constitution etc. but that feels like ancient history. We've become so politicized that we've accepted that judges should be partisan and GOP in NC abandoned the entire notion of an independent judiciary. To me this is just more evidence that rather than abandon conservatism, they will abandon democracy. The partisan SC in NC has now made it a lot harder for the will of the people to be reflected in elections and the intent was specifically to prevent the will of black people (~1/4 of the state) from being heard.

Here's an impartial summary:

Quote:

Richard Dietz (R) defeated Lucy N. Inman (D), and Trey Allen (R) defeated incumbent Sam Ervin IV (D), in partisan elections for two North Carolina Supreme Court seats on November 8, 2022. As a result of these elections, the court flipped from a 4-3 Democratic majority to a 5-2 Republican majority in 2023. Heading into the 2020 election, Democrats had a 6-1 majority on the court.

Justice Robin Hudson (D) did not run for re-election in 2022 because she was nearing the court's mandatory retirement age.[url=https://ballotpedia.org/North_Carolina_Supreme_Court_elections,_2022#cite_note-1][1][/url] Dietz and Inman, both judges on the North Carolina Court of Appeals, ran to succeed her.

North Carolina began using partisan elections for judicial selection in 2018. Supreme court justices are elected to eight-year terms.


The idea of electing Supreme Court justices seems wrong. I can't believe 21 states choose their Supreme Courts that way.






There is no magic to a judge's robe. You can either have politicized judge's or unelected, unaccountable dictators. The key is to limit the power of judge's as our Constitution is actually written.

North Carolina chooses judges in a better manner than the United States. Let elections have consequences.


I disagree. The public is not able to vet the qualifications of judges. Los Angeles County puts its judges on the ballot and I do a little research but I really don't feel qualified to have an opinion. I think the judicial branch benefits by not being subject to the whims of the electorate. We already have branches of government that serve that purpose.



How do you think judges should be chosen?


I am okay with governor appointments and confirmation by another body like the senate.



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dimitrig said:

dajo9 said:

dimitrig said:

dajo9 said:

dimitrig said:

Unit2Sucks said:

dimitrig said:

Unit2Sucks said:

For those who haven't heard, the NC Supreme Court recently came under conservative control and the results have been unsurprising - on Friday they ruled against common sense in 3 separate cases, 2 of which had already been decided by the same court a few months ago (before it flipped to GOP control) in the other direction.

In depth article here. Tweets below. I'm sure there will be lots of arguments from conservatives about why this is really a good thing or how things are supposed to work, but it's pretty clear the intent is to maintain and increase GOP control of the state, regardless of the wishes of voters.

I don't remember who it is that said that if the GOP knows it can't win elections democratically, it won't abandon its losing policies it will just abandon democracy. This is what we're seeing.







How/why did the court flip because of the results of the midterm elections?
In 2018, NC switched to the partisan election of SC judges to 8-year terms, probably because at that time the GOP who controlled the state didn't like what the judges were doing. Lots of outside money came in, as you would expect. The elections were extremely close and essentially came down on party lines - 52-48. What's not clear to me is how they determined the partisanship of the judges who were elected prior to 2018 since they weren't the product of partisan elections.

If the conservative judges hadn't won, the RWNJs would be claiming Soros, that much is sure. Instead, they will say that elections have consequences and that this is the will of the people, regardless of financial influence. Unlike with normal politicians, court decisions are really supposed to be based on, you know, justice, the constitution etc. but that feels like ancient history. We've become so politicized that we've accepted that judges should be partisan and GOP in NC abandoned the entire notion of an independent judiciary. To me this is just more evidence that rather than abandon conservatism, they will abandon democracy. The partisan SC in NC has now made it a lot harder for the will of the people to be reflected in elections and the intent was specifically to prevent the will of black people (~1/4 of the state) from being heard.

Here's an impartial summary:

Quote:

Richard Dietz (R) defeated Lucy N. Inman (D), and Trey Allen (R) defeated incumbent Sam Ervin IV (D), in partisan elections for two North Carolina Supreme Court seats on November 8, 2022. As a result of these elections, the court flipped from a 4-3 Democratic majority to a 5-2 Republican majority in 2023. Heading into the 2020 election, Democrats had a 6-1 majority on the court.

Justice Robin Hudson (D) did not run for re-election in 2022 because she was nearing the court's mandatory retirement age.[url=https://ballotpedia.org/North_Carolina_Supreme_Court_elections,_2022#cite_note-1][1][/url] Dietz and Inman, both judges on the North Carolina Court of Appeals, ran to succeed her.

North Carolina began using partisan elections for judicial selection in 2018. Supreme court justices are elected to eight-year terms.


The idea of electing Supreme Court justices seems wrong. I can't believe 21 states choose their Supreme Courts that way.






There is no magic to a judge's robe. You can either have politicized judge's or unelected, unaccountable dictators. The key is to limit the power of judge's as our Constitution is actually written.

North Carolina chooses judges in a better manner than the United States. Let elections have consequences.


I disagree. The public is not able to vet the qualifications of judges. Los Angeles County puts its judges on the ballot and I do a little research but I really don't feel qualified to have an opinion. I think the judicial branch benefits by not being subject to the whims of the electorate. We already have branches of government that serve that purpose.



How do you think judges should be chosen?


I am okay with governor appointments and confirmation by another body like the senate.






Politicized and unaccountable. Like our current Aupreme Court.
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dajo9 said:

dimitrig said:

dajo9 said:

dimitrig said:

dajo9 said:

dimitrig said:

Unit2Sucks said:

dimitrig said:

Unit2Sucks said:

For those who haven't heard, the NC Supreme Court recently came under conservative control and the results have been unsurprising - on Friday they ruled against common sense in 3 separate cases, 2 of which had already been decided by the same court a few months ago (before it flipped to GOP control) in the other direction.

In depth article here. Tweets below. I'm sure there will be lots of arguments from conservatives about why this is really a good thing or how things are supposed to work, but it's pretty clear the intent is to maintain and increase GOP control of the state, regardless of the wishes of voters.

I don't remember who it is that said that if the GOP knows it can't win elections democratically, it won't abandon its losing policies it will just abandon democracy. This is what we're seeing.







How/why did the court flip because of the results of the midterm elections?
In 2018, NC switched to the partisan election of SC judges to 8-year terms, probably because at that time the GOP who controlled the state didn't like what the judges were doing. Lots of outside money came in, as you would expect. The elections were extremely close and essentially came down on party lines - 52-48. What's not clear to me is how they determined the partisanship of the judges who were elected prior to 2018 since they weren't the product of partisan elections.

If the conservative judges hadn't won, the RWNJs would be claiming Soros, that much is sure. Instead, they will say that elections have consequences and that this is the will of the people, regardless of financial influence. Unlike with normal politicians, court decisions are really supposed to be based on, you know, justice, the constitution etc. but that feels like ancient history. We've become so politicized that we've accepted that judges should be partisan and GOP in NC abandoned the entire notion of an independent judiciary. To me this is just more evidence that rather than abandon conservatism, they will abandon democracy. The partisan SC in NC has now made it a lot harder for the will of the people to be reflected in elections and the intent was specifically to prevent the will of black people (~1/4 of the state) from being heard.

Here's an impartial summary:

Quote:

Richard Dietz (R) defeated Lucy N. Inman (D), and Trey Allen (R) defeated incumbent Sam Ervin IV (D), in partisan elections for two North Carolina Supreme Court seats on November 8, 2022. As a result of these elections, the court flipped from a 4-3 Democratic majority to a 5-2 Republican majority in 2023. Heading into the 2020 election, Democrats had a 6-1 majority on the court.

Justice Robin Hudson (D) did not run for re-election in 2022 because she was nearing the court's mandatory retirement age.[url=https://ballotpedia.org/North_Carolina_Supreme_Court_elections,_2022#cite_note-1][1][/url] Dietz and Inman, both judges on the North Carolina Court of Appeals, ran to succeed her.

North Carolina began using partisan elections for judicial selection in 2018. Supreme court justices are elected to eight-year terms.


The idea of electing Supreme Court justices seems wrong. I can't believe 21 states choose their Supreme Courts that way.






There is no magic to a judge's robe. You can either have politicized judge's or unelected, unaccountable dictators. The key is to limit the power of judge's as our Constitution is actually written.

North Carolina chooses judges in a better manner than the United States. Let elections have consequences.


I disagree. The public is not able to vet the qualifications of judges. Los Angeles County puts its judges on the ballot and I do a little research but I really don't feel qualified to have an opinion. I think the judicial branch benefits by not being subject to the whims of the electorate. We already have branches of government that serve that purpose.



How do you think judges should be chosen?


I am okay with governor appointments and confirmation by another body like the senate.

Politicized and unaccountable. Like our current Aupreme Court.

They are accountable. It just requires our elected officials to actually do it.

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Whew this guy … what white person told him to think let along day or tweet this trash
How (are) you gonna win when you ain’t right within…
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Does Herschel really misspell his own name?
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This thread now has so many Twitter links that it crashes when I try to view it on mobile.
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dimitrig said:

dajo9 said:

dimitrig said:

dajo9 said:

dimitrig said:

Unit2Sucks said:

dimitrig said:

Unit2Sucks said:

For those who haven't heard, the NC Supreme Court recently came under conservative control and the results have been unsurprising - on Friday they ruled against common sense in 3 separate cases, 2 of which had already been decided by the same court a few months ago (before it flipped to GOP control) in the other direction.

In depth article here. Tweets below. I'm sure there will be lots of arguments from conservatives about why this is really a good thing or how things are supposed to work, but it's pretty clear the intent is to maintain and increase GOP control of the state, regardless of the wishes of voters.

I don't remember who it is that said that if the GOP knows it can't win elections democratically, it won't abandon its losing policies it will just abandon democracy. This is what we're seeing.







How/why did the court flip because of the results of the midterm elections?
In 2018, NC switched to the partisan election of SC judges to 8-year terms, probably because at that time the GOP who controlled the state didn't like what the judges were doing. Lots of outside money came in, as you would expect. The elections were extremely close and essentially came down on party lines - 52-48. What's not clear to me is how they determined the partisanship of the judges who were elected prior to 2018 since they weren't the product of partisan elections.

If the conservative judges hadn't won, the RWNJs would be claiming Soros, that much is sure. Instead, they will say that elections have consequences and that this is the will of the people, regardless of financial influence. Unlike with normal politicians, court decisions are really supposed to be based on, you know, justice, the constitution etc. but that feels like ancient history. We've become so politicized that we've accepted that judges should be partisan and GOP in NC abandoned the entire notion of an independent judiciary. To me this is just more evidence that rather than abandon conservatism, they will abandon democracy. The partisan SC in NC has now made it a lot harder for the will of the people to be reflected in elections and the intent was specifically to prevent the will of black people (~1/4 of the state) from being heard.

Here's an impartial summary:

Quote:

Richard Dietz (R) defeated Lucy N. Inman (D), and Trey Allen (R) defeated incumbent Sam Ervin IV (D), in partisan elections for two North Carolina Supreme Court seats on November 8, 2022. As a result of these elections, the court flipped from a 4-3 Democratic majority to a 5-2 Republican majority in 2023. Heading into the 2020 election, Democrats had a 6-1 majority on the court.

Justice Robin Hudson (D) did not run for re-election in 2022 because she was nearing the court's mandatory retirement age.[url=https://ballotpedia.org/North_Carolina_Supreme_Court_elections,_2022#cite_note-1][1][/url] Dietz and Inman, both judges on the North Carolina Court of Appeals, ran to succeed her.

North Carolina began using partisan elections for judicial selection in 2018. Supreme court justices are elected to eight-year terms.


The idea of electing Supreme Court justices seems wrong. I can't believe 21 states choose their Supreme Courts that way.






There is no magic to a judge's robe. You can either have politicized judge's or unelected, unaccountable dictators. The key is to limit the power of judge's as our Constitution is actually written.

North Carolina chooses judges in a better manner than the United States. Let elections have consequences.


I disagree. The public is not able to vet the qualifications of judges. Los Angeles County puts its judges on the ballot and I do a little research but I really don't feel qualified to have an opinion. I think the judicial branch benefits by not being subject to the whims of the electorate. We already have branches of government that serve that purpose.



How do you think judges should be chosen?


I am okay with governor appointments and confirmation by another body like the senate.



Look no further than the Superior Court of Contra Costa County, where then Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger appointed a ton of LIBERAL JUDGES to fill vacancies, to the point where DA Diane Becton and her team cant even do their job anymore.

These judges do everything they can to eliminate jail time. And Covid gave them cover too.

Yeah, that's worked out real well.
Real well for our society.

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DiabloWags said:

dimitrig said:

dajo9 said:

dimitrig said:

dajo9 said:

dimitrig said:

Unit2Sucks said:

dimitrig said:

Unit2Sucks said:

For those who haven't heard, the NC Supreme Court recently came under conservative control and the results have been unsurprising - on Friday they ruled against common sense in 3 separate cases, 2 of which had already been decided by the same court a few months ago (before it flipped to GOP control) in the other direction.

In depth article here. Tweets below. I'm sure there will be lots of arguments from conservatives about why this is really a good thing or how things are supposed to work, but it's pretty clear the intent is to maintain and increase GOP control of the state, regardless of the wishes of voters.

I don't remember who it is that said that if the GOP knows it can't win elections democratically, it won't abandon its losing policies it will just abandon democracy. This is what we're seeing.







How/why did the court flip because of the results of the midterm elections?
In 2018, NC switched to the partisan election of SC judges to 8-year terms, probably because at that time the GOP who controlled the state didn't like what the judges were doing. Lots of outside money came in, as you would expect. The elections were extremely close and essentially came down on party lines - 52-48. What's not clear to me is how they determined the partisanship of the judges who were elected prior to 2018 since they weren't the product of partisan elections.

If the conservative judges hadn't won, the RWNJs would be claiming Soros, that much is sure. Instead, they will say that elections have consequences and that this is the will of the people, regardless of financial influence. Unlike with normal politicians, court decisions are really supposed to be based on, you know, justice, the constitution etc. but that feels like ancient history. We've become so politicized that we've accepted that judges should be partisan and GOP in NC abandoned the entire notion of an independent judiciary. To me this is just more evidence that rather than abandon conservatism, they will abandon democracy. The partisan SC in NC has now made it a lot harder for the will of the people to be reflected in elections and the intent was specifically to prevent the will of black people (~1/4 of the state) from being heard.

Here's an impartial summary:

Quote:

Richard Dietz (R) defeated Lucy N. Inman (D), and Trey Allen (R) defeated incumbent Sam Ervin IV (D), in partisan elections for two North Carolina Supreme Court seats on November 8, 2022. As a result of these elections, the court flipped from a 4-3 Democratic majority to a 5-2 Republican majority in 2023. Heading into the 2020 election, Democrats had a 6-1 majority on the court.

Justice Robin Hudson (D) did not run for re-election in 2022 because she was nearing the court's mandatory retirement age.[url=https://ballotpedia.org/North_Carolina_Supreme_Court_elections,_2022#cite_note-1][1][/url] Dietz and Inman, both judges on the North Carolina Court of Appeals, ran to succeed her.

North Carolina began using partisan elections for judicial selection in 2018. Supreme court justices are elected to eight-year terms.


The idea of electing Supreme Court justices seems wrong. I can't believe 21 states choose their Supreme Courts that way.






There is no magic to a judge's robe. You can either have politicized judge's or unelected, unaccountable dictators. The key is to limit the power of judge's as our Constitution is actually written.

North Carolina chooses judges in a better manner than the United States. Let elections have consequences.


I disagree. The public is not able to vet the qualifications of judges. Los Angeles County puts its judges on the ballot and I do a little research but I really don't feel qualified to have an opinion. I think the judicial branch benefits by not being subject to the whims of the electorate. We already have branches of government that serve that purpose.



How do you think judges should be chosen?


I am okay with governor appointments and confirmation by another body like the senate.



Look no further than the Superior Court of Contra Costa County, where then Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger appointed a ton of LIBERAL JUDGES to fill vacancies, to the point where DA Diane Becton and her team cant even do their job anymore.

These judges do everything they can to eliminate jail time. And Covid gave them cover too.

Yeah, that's worked out real well.
Real well for our society.




I don't follow.

Are you saying that if the judges had been elected they would be more conservative than those appointed by a Republican governor?
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Carl Sagan saw this era coming.



And finally, there's been a massive leak of files from an abhorrent religious "doctor" group pretending to be a think tank that shows how twisted so much of this anti-trans obsession by conservatives is.

Here's just a taste:
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Leaked communications between members of the group and minutes taken at board meetings over the course of several years speak loudly about the challenges the group faced in pursuing its deeply unpopular agenda: returning America to a time when the laws and social mores around family squared neatly with evangelical Christian beliefs.

Many of the College's most radical views target transgender people, and in particular, transgender youth. The leak, which had been indexed by Google, includes volumes of literature crafted specifically to influence relationships between practicing pediatricians, parents, and their children. It includes reams of marketing material the College aims to distribute widely among public school officials. This includes pushing schools to adopt junk science painting transgender youth as carriers of a pathological disorder, one that's capable of spontaneously causing others la the dancing plagueto adopt similar thoughts and behaviors.

This is one of the group's most dubious claims. While unsupported by medical science, it is routinely and incuriously propagated through literature targeted at schools and medical offices around the US. The primary source for this claim is a research paper drafted in 2017 by Lisa Littman, a Brown University scholar who, while a medical doctor, was not specialized in mental health. The goal of the paper was to introduce, conceptually, "rapid onset gender dysphoria"a hypothetical disorder, as was later clarified by the journal that published it. Littman would also clarify personally that her research "does not validate the phenomenon" she'd hypothesized, since no clinicians, nor individuals identifying as trans, had participated in the study.



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The woke media is trying to distract you with shooting death coverage, but Ted Cruz ain't playing along.

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Unit2Sucks said:





Carl Sagan saw this era coming.



And finally, there's been a massive leak of files from an abhorrent religious "doctor" group pretending to be a think tank that shows how twisted so much of this anti-trans obsession by conservatives is.

Here's just a taste:
Quote:

Leaked communications between members of the group and minutes taken at board meetings over the course of several years speak loudly about the challenges the group faced in pursuing its deeply unpopular agenda: returning America to a time when the laws and social mores around family squared neatly with evangelical Christian beliefs.

Many of the College's most radical views target transgender people, and in particular, transgender youth. The leak, which had been indexed by Google, includes volumes of literature crafted specifically to influence relationships between practicing pediatricians, parents, and their children. It includes reams of marketing material the College aims to distribute widely among public school officials. This includes pushing schools to adopt junk science painting transgender youth as carriers of a pathological disorder, one that's capable of spontaneously causing others la the dancing plagueto adopt similar thoughts and behaviors.

This is one of the group's most dubious claims. While unsupported by medical science, it is routinely and incuriously propagated through literature targeted at schools and medical offices around the US. The primary source for this claim is a research paper drafted in 2017 by Lisa Littman, a Brown University scholar who, while a medical doctor, was not specialized in mental health. The goal of the paper was to introduce, conceptually, "rapid onset gender dysphoria"a hypothetical disorder, as was later clarified by the journal that published it. Littman would also clarify personally that her research "does not validate the phenomenon" she'd hypothesized, since no clinicians, nor individuals identifying as trans, had participated in the study.



Wow. The Florida GOP legislator revealing his inner bigotry was stunning and Carl Sagan's prediction was scarily accurate. I wish I could give this post more than one star.


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sycasey said:

This thread now has so many Twitter links that it crashes when I try to view it on mobile.
My phone has been having trouble with these massively Twitter laden threads for a while now. This is the first one that choked my tablet. So far, my PC is hanging tough though for this thread page it's taking a few minutes to load the images..
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The GOP-Hungary connection that's shaping the 2024 campaign


https://www.axios.com/2023/05/08/gop-hungary-connection-shaping-2024-campaign

"The far-right populism of Hungary's prime minister is helping to inspire U.S. Republicans' agenda for 2024, a game plan that targets immigration, LGBTQ rights and-at least for some- the war in Ukraine.

Why it matters:
Hungary's Viktor Orbn is something of a godfather to the most conservative elements of the GOP, as his harsh policies on immigrants, transgender people, voting rights and other issues have encouraged U.S. conservatives to push for similar laws."
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