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okaydo said:
Targeting black voters in Florida is the norm.
Do you enjoy providing false conclusion as the premise?
If what you write is true, what is the DOJ doing about this? Are you OK with Garland not prosecuting a violations of the federal voting rights act if the racially-based voting discrimination is patent as you pretend it to be?
I guess you forgot about the purge lists there by repubs. It's ok. I'm starting to forget a lot lately too.
If you are referring to voter purge error intended to purge felons from the list from over a decade ago, what does that have to with DeSantis (the post you were responding to)? If what DeSantis is doing is violation of the Voting Rights Act, why is Garland not instructing the DOJ to investigate?
There have been variations of the purge lists over the last several years. And the lists aren't the only aspect of voter suppression so please don't rant on for several pages defending republican shenanigans.
Edit: Oh and voter purge error? Haha, right. Convenient errors.
Again, if what you are assuming is the truth, why hasn't Garland ordered the DOJ to investigate? That is what I mean by you assuming a conclusion as a premise
Not sure if you were being facetious, but this is a great example of assuming a conclusion as a premise. How do you know whether the DOJ is investigating Desantis' actions? Would the DOJ have announced it? Perhaps they are currently investigating and haven't publicized it, as would be normal course.
In any event, Desantis has been sued in Federal Court over it (to be clear, not by the federal government).
How do I know? Because historically, the DOJ has publicly announced investigation of violations of Voting Rights Act. But you know that, especially since the investigation involves document request, cooperation, etc. from the Secretary of State. So, I don't understand why you say it's normal course that they don't announce investigation of violation of Voting Rights Act. What was your basis for that? Even the prior enforcement in the early 2000 in Florida came from a PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT OF AN INVESTIGATION WAY IN ADVANCE.
And being sued by a liberal coalition is not indication or evidence of violations such that you can conclude as a premise that Florida always engages in targeting black voters. Any private party can bring a lawsuit, including nuisance lawsuit.
And how is a private allegation that Florida is making it harder for FELONS to determine their eligibility to vote a black issue and purging black votes? Are you assuming as a premise the racial make up of felons?
Sounds like you've drawn a conclusion but you don't know whether the DOJ has been looking into this.
As for the "assumption" of a racial premise - there is plenty of evidence that in the state of Florida, people of color (and specifically black people) are disproportionately represented. I've seen that perhaps 20% of the residents are black people but half the prison population is. I don't have information about felons specifically or the 1.4M people whose voting rights were supposed to have been resorted.
We also know something about who the state targeted and arrested last year. 30 people, 25 of whom are black people. I'm not assuming the premise, I'm drawing conclusions from facts I've seen.
Here's an article from the Brennan Center
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Since S.B. 7066 was enacted, Florida has struggled to administer the law because it can't verify people's eligibility under the new system in a timely way. It also has not provided sufficient guidance to the public about who is eligible under the law's complex rules. Making matters worse, government officials have permitted and, in some instances, outright encouraged people with past convictions to register to vote. And at the same time, the department of state the office tasked with verifying voter eligibility for those with past convictions has left ineligible voters on the rolls for years after it approved their registrations, making them think they are allowed to vote.
In litigation challenging S.B. 7066, both the state and the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit downplayed the risk of prosecution for individuals with past convictions confused about their eligibility, saying the criminal statutes for illegal registration and voting require prosecutors to show that those charged knew they were ineligible but registered or voted anyway. However, for the more than 30 people with felony convictions at least 25 of whom are Black who have since been charged by local or statewide prosecutors for registering or voting while ineligible in 2020, that doesn't seem to be the case.
Assuming those numbers hold out, is a valid, long-standing law to withhold voting rights to felons (which most states still have even if many liberal states are removing), including enforcing such laws, innately racist? Should we make prisons illegal? If not, what is your objection to enforcing a law that prohibits felons from voting? And if they do vote, is that not a voting fraud, irrespective of whether they voted for R or D? How do you go from that to Florida has always purged black votes?
As far as the DOJ, if there is a valid investigation, it would be news since the Secretary of State in Florida will have to respond to the investigation and, as such, DOJ typically get ahead of the leak. Can you imagine DeSantis sitting by silently while DOJ investigates the state's Secretary of State? It is not jumping to conclusion to rely on historical precedent to counter your argument that DOJ does not, as normal course, announce investigation of Voting Rights Act violation
