US Government Sponsorship of Censorship

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BearGoggles
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Full article here:

https://kanekoa.substack.com/p/elon-musk-slams-cisa-censorship-network

So if the article is to be believed, here is what happened:

  • Government acknowledges it can't directly censor alleged "disinformation" or "misinformation" by US citizens due to 1st Amendment (even though the FBI later did exactly that).
  • Government agencies questionably defined "disinformation" or "misinformation" by US citizens as domestic terrorism
  • DHS/CISA and other agencies use this new definition to fund "private" consortiums (notably the Election Integrity Partnership), led by partisan political actors, who then launch a partisan campaign to censor or limit the reach of dem political opponents (aka domestic terrorists).
  • Notably, a least some of the censorship occurred with respect to facts and opinions that subsequently were objectively true (Hunter Biden laptop not fake/dissinfo, Covid vaccine doesn't provide immunity).

The article may overstate its case. Happy to hear about that. But what I want to ask my liberal/progressive friends on this board, if you assume the article is true, are you ok with this?

I'm not interested in a legal debate about the 1st Amendment legalities. If you assume this is permitted by the first amendment, are liberals/progressives on this board ok with this?

I note that much of this occurred when Trump was president - further evidence of his incompetence. But that's not the point. If DeSantis or another republican who is competent manager of government is elected, will you be ok with the DHS targeting opinions on the left?

And just to be clear, I have no problem with the EIP pursuing a partisan agenda. I do have a huge problem with the government funding the EIP (and, as detailed in the article, its constituent members/researchers). We've heard a lot about fascism on this board in recent years . . . if the allegations in the article are true, this seems like its heading down that road.

Happy New Year to all!
Unit2Sucks
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Just so we're clear, are you claiming that the sorts of "opinions" flagged as misinformation are "conservative" or Republican in nature?

I have no idea why stolen/misappropriated Hunter Biden dick pics are conservative. Maybe I missed the change in the GOP platform where that became a policy.

Before you ask us whether we are okay with what you consider to be government censorship of "conservative" views, I would love to hear what "conservative" views you believe were actually censored. So far all I've heard of are batsh(t crazy misinformation which are in no way political but seem to be deeply held beliefs by crackpots who happen to be GOP voters in this era because you and millions of other garden variety GOPers let Trump and his base take over the conservative movement.
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Unit2Sucks said:

Just so we're clear, are you claiming that the sorts of "opinions" flagged as misinformation are "conservative" or Republican in nature?

I have no idea why stolen/misappropriated Hunter Biden dick pics are conservative. Maybe I missed the change in the GOP platform where that became a policy.

Before you ask us whether we are okay with what you consider to be government censorship of "conservative" views, I would love to hear what "conservative" views you believe were actually censored. So far all I've heard of are batsh(t crazy misinformation which are in no way political but seem to be deeply held beliefs by crackpots who happen to be GOP voters in this era because you and millions of other garden variety GOPers let Trump and his base take over the conservative movement.


Misinformation, such as the existence of Hunter's laptop itself tagged/labeled as misinformation and Russian propaganda and thus hidden and cast aside. I don't recall anyone protesting removal of dick picks. I am not sure why you went there, except to purposely confuse the issue.
Unit2Sucks
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oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

Just so we're clear, are you claiming that the sorts of "opinions" flagged as misinformation are "conservative" or Republican in nature?

I have no idea why stolen/misappropriated Hunter Biden dick pics are conservative. Maybe I missed the change in the GOP platform where that became a policy.

Before you ask us whether we are okay with what you consider to be government censorship of "conservative" views, I would love to hear what "conservative" views you believe were actually censored. So far all I've heard of are batsh(t crazy misinformation which are in no way political but seem to be deeply held beliefs by crackpots who happen to be GOP voters in this era because you and millions of other garden variety GOPers let Trump and his base take over the conservative movement.


Misinformation, such as the existence of Hunter's laptop itself tagged/labeled as misinformation and Russian propaganda and thus hidden and cast aside. I don't recall anyone protesting removal of dick picks. I am not sure why you went there, except to purposely confuse the issue.
What conservative policy is represented by the reporting on Hunter Biden's laptop? Assuming that the laptop is genuine, how did it come to be publicly disclosed? Did Hunter give journalists permission to disclose his personal information publicly? I'm just trying to understand how it came to be that the misappropriation of Hunter's dick pics came to be such an important conservative position.
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Unit2Sucks said:

oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

Just so we're clear, are you claiming that the sorts of "opinions" flagged as misinformation are "conservative" or Republican in nature?

I have no idea why stolen/misappropriated Hunter Biden dick pics are conservative. Maybe I missed the change in the GOP platform where that became a policy.

Before you ask us whether we are okay with what you consider to be government censorship of "conservative" views, I would love to hear what "conservative" views you believe were actually censored. So far all I've heard of are batsh(t crazy misinformation which are in no way political but seem to be deeply held beliefs by crackpots who happen to be GOP voters in this era because you and millions of other garden variety GOPers let Trump and his base take over the conservative movement.


Misinformation, such as the existence of Hunter's laptop itself tagged/labeled as misinformation and Russian propaganda and thus hidden and cast aside. I don't recall anyone protesting removal of dick picks. I am not sure why you went there, except to purposely confuse the issue.
What conservative policy is represented by the reporting on Hunter Biden's laptop? Assuming that the laptop is genuine, how did it come to be publicly disclosed? Did Hunter give journalists permission to disclose his personal information publicly? I'm just trying to understand how it came to be that the misappropriation of Hunter's dick pics came to be such an important conservative position.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/amp/

Hunter Biden introduced his father, then-Vice President Joe Biden, to a top executive at a Ukrainian energy firm less than a year before the elder Biden pressured government officials in Ukraine into firing a prosecutor who was investigating the company, according to emails obtained by The Post.

The never-before-revealed meeting is mentioned in a message of appreciation that Vadym Pozharskyi, an adviser to the board of Burisma, allegedly sent Hunter Biden on April 17, 2015, about a year after Hunter joined the Burisma board at a reported salary of up to $50,000 a month.

"Dear Hunter, thank you for inviting me to DC and giving an opportunity to meet your father and spent [sic] some time together. It's realty [sic] an honor and pleasure," the email reads.

An earlier email from May 2014 also shows Pozharskyi, reportedly Burisma's No. 3 exec, asking Hunter for "advice on how you could use your influence" on the company's behalf.
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oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

Just so we're clear, are you claiming that the sorts of "opinions" flagged as misinformation are "conservative" or Republican in nature?

I have no idea why stolen/misappropriated Hunter Biden dick pics are conservative. Maybe I missed the change in the GOP platform where that became a policy.

Before you ask us whether we are okay with what you consider to be government censorship of "conservative" views, I would love to hear what "conservative" views you believe were actually censored. So far all I've heard of are batsh(t crazy misinformation which are in no way political but seem to be deeply held beliefs by crackpots who happen to be GOP voters in this era because you and millions of other garden variety GOPers let Trump and his base take over the conservative movement.


Misinformation, such as the existence of Hunter's laptop itself tagged/labeled as misinformation and Russian propaganda and thus hidden and cast aside. I don't recall anyone protesting removal of dick picks. I am not sure why you went there, except to purposely confuse the issue.
What conservative policy is represented by the reporting on Hunter Biden's laptop? Assuming that the laptop is genuine, how did it come to be publicly disclosed? Did Hunter give journalists permission to disclose his personal information publicly? I'm just trying to understand how it came to be that the misappropriation of Hunter's dick pics came to be such an important conservative position.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/amp/

Hunter Biden introduced his father, then-Vice President Joe Biden, to a top executive at a Ukrainian energy firm less than a year before the elder Biden pressured government officials in Ukraine into firing a prosecutor who was investigating the company, according to emails obtained by The Post.

The never-before-revealed meeting is mentioned in a message of appreciation that Vadym Pozharskyi, an adviser to the board of Burisma, allegedly sent Hunter Biden on April 17, 2015, about a year after Hunter joined the Burisma board at a reported salary of up to $50,000 a month.

"Dear Hunter, thank you for inviting me to DC and giving an opportunity to meet your father and spent [sic] some time together. It's realty [sic] an honor and pleasure," the email reads.

An earlier email from May 2014 also shows Pozharskyi, reportedly Burisma's No. 3 exec, asking Hunter for "advice on how you could use your influence" on the company's behalf.
I enjoy how you included the bolded misinformation in the above quote. Is pretending like Biden's enactment of a bipartisan policy to terminate a corrupt prosecutor a core conservative position now?

Separately, if the NY Post didn't receive the email through Russian interference, can you remind us all how the NY Post came to legally possess what it purports to be Hunter Biden's emails?
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I wish they wouldn't have censored any of the Covid 19 and vaccination disinformation. We could have thinned more of the b@$tards from the voting rolls.

"The Republican Party is unquestionably complicit in the premature deaths of many of its own supporters, a phenomenon that may be without precedent in the history of both American democracy and virology….

A recent study found that from October 2020 to February 2021, the death rate in Republican-leaning counties was up to three times higher than that of Democratic-leaning counties, likely because of differences in masking and social distancing. Even when vaccines came around, these differences continued, Mauricio Santillana, an epidemiology expert at Northeastern University and a co-author of the study, told me. Follow-up research published in The Lancet Regional HealthAmericas in October looked at deaths from April 2021 to March 2022 and found a 26 percent higher death rate in areas where voters leaned Republican.


How Many Republicans Died Because GOP Leaders Turned Against Vaccines? - The Atlantic


https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2022/12/covid-deaths-anti-vaccine-republican-voters/672575/
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BearGoggles mention of 1st Amendment rights is a red herring. The US Constitution isn't applicable to an international web site run by a private business. BI can remove any bit of unwanted posting without it being a 1st Amendment violation. It's similar for Twitter, just on a vastly bigger scale.
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Unit2Sucks said:

oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

Just so we're clear, are you claiming that the sorts of "opinions" flagged as misinformation are "conservative" or Republican in nature?

I have no idea why stolen/misappropriated Hunter Biden dick pics are conservative. Maybe I missed the change in the GOP platform where that became a policy.

Before you ask us whether we are okay with what you consider to be government censorship of "conservative" views, I would love to hear what "conservative" views you believe were actually censored. So far all I've heard of are batsh(t crazy misinformation which are in no way political but seem to be deeply held beliefs by crackpots who happen to be GOP voters in this era because you and millions of other garden variety GOPers let Trump and his base take over the conservative movement.


Misinformation, such as the existence of Hunter's laptop itself tagged/labeled as misinformation and Russian propaganda and thus hidden and cast aside. I don't recall anyone protesting removal of dick picks. I am not sure why you went there, except to purposely confuse the issue.
What conservative policy is represented by the reporting on Hunter Biden's laptop? Assuming that the laptop is genuine, how did it come to be publicly disclosed? Did Hunter give journalists permission to disclose his personal information publicly? I'm just trying to understand how it came to be that the misappropriation of Hunter's dick pics came to be such an important conservative position.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/amp/

Hunter Biden introduced his father, then-Vice President Joe Biden, to a top executive at a Ukrainian energy firm less than a year before the elder Biden pressured government officials in Ukraine into firing a prosecutor who was investigating the company, according to emails obtained by The Post.

The never-before-revealed meeting is mentioned in a message of appreciation that Vadym Pozharskyi, an adviser to the board of Burisma, allegedly sent Hunter Biden on April 17, 2015, about a year after Hunter joined the Burisma board at a reported salary of up to $50,000 a month.

"Dear Hunter, thank you for inviting me to DC and giving an opportunity to meet your father and spent [sic] some time together. It's realty [sic] an honor and pleasure," the email reads.

An earlier email from May 2014 also shows Pozharskyi, reportedly Burisma's No. 3 exec, asking Hunter for "advice on how you could use your influence" on the company's behalf.
I enjoy how you included the bolded misinformation in the above quote. Is pretending like Biden's enactment of a bipartisan policy to terminate a corrupt prosecutor a core conservative position now?

Separately, if the NY Post didn't receive the email through Russian interference, can you remind us all how the NY Post came to legally possess what it purports to be Hunter Biden's emails?


Read the article. Newspapers routinely publish information that may have been obtained illegally. In this case, people's voices were actually suppressed. People posted things. Those true things were labeled misleading and hidden. That blows.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

BearGoggles mention of 1st Amendment rights is a red herring. The US Constitution isn't applicable to an international web site run by a private business. BI can remove any bit of unwanted posting without it being a 1st Amendment violation. It's similar for Twitter, just on a vastly bigger scale.
Did you read the part of my post that said irrespective of the first amendment, are you ok with this? How can it be a red herring when I specifically said ignore the first amendment argument?

In terms of the merits of your claim that the first amendment doesn't apply, you might want to look at the state actor/action doctrine. It is not entirely clear the first amendment doesn't apply.

Are you ok with public funding of partisan groups that seek censor third parties? I'd like you to be on record.

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Unit2Sucks said:

Just so we're clear, are you claiming that the sorts of "opinions" flagged as misinformation are "conservative" or Republican in nature?

I have no idea why stolen/misappropriated Hunter Biden dick pics are conservative. Maybe I missed the change in the GOP platform where that became a policy.

Before you ask us whether we are okay with what you consider to be government censorship of "conservative" views, I would love to hear what "conservative" views you believe were actually censored. So far all I've heard of are batsh(t crazy misinformation which are in no way political but seem to be deeply held beliefs by crackpots who happen to be GOP voters in this era because you and millions of other garden variety GOPers let Trump and his base take over the conservative movement.
You are amazing. That's not the question I asked.

I asked if you are ok with with the government FUNDING ostensibly private groups to do things the government clearly could not due directly?

Are you ok with the government defining misinformation/wrong think from US citizens (i.e., unpopular opinions/claims) as domestic terrorism?

I (and the article) said nothing about Hunter dick pics. Literally nothing. It is almost like you're refusing to answer because you know this is horribly wrong and dangerous.

I'm giving you a chance now to make a principled objection before President DeSantis starts targeting your team. Do you have principles or just partisan retorts and deflections? What are your values? Its a simple question - is it ok for DHS to fund partisan groups to impose censorship/deplatforming/throttling? Your response so far speaks volumes.

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All disinformation claims should be settled in court by judge or jury…..you know, that reality venue where all Conservative allegations based on disinformation go to die:

1. The claims that the 2020 were rigged. How did that work out in every case brought?

2. That the January 6th Insurrectionists were non violent patriots or entrapped by the FBI. How did those prosecutions work out?

3. That the Whitmer kidnapping plot was an FBI sting operation. How has that worked out for those missing link f@ucking hillbillies?

Basically all the theories and allegations put forth by Conservatives on this site, by Conservatives nationwide, by tRump and his allies and by pundits on Fox News crash and burn when they are forced to move from the unsubstantiated allegation realm to the courtroom where rules of evidence and burdens of proof apply.
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oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

Just so we're clear, are you claiming that the sorts of "opinions" flagged as misinformation are "conservative" or Republican in nature?

I have no idea why stolen/misappropriated Hunter Biden dick pics are conservative. Maybe I missed the change in the GOP platform where that became a policy.

Before you ask us whether we are okay with what you consider to be government censorship of "conservative" views, I would love to hear what "conservative" views you believe were actually censored. So far all I've heard of are batsh(t crazy misinformation which are in no way political but seem to be deeply held beliefs by crackpots who happen to be GOP voters in this era because you and millions of other garden variety GOPers let Trump and his base take over the conservative movement.


Misinformation, such as the existence of Hunter's laptop itself tagged/labeled as misinformation and Russian propaganda and thus hidden and cast aside. I don't recall anyone protesting removal of dick picks. I am not sure why you went there, except to purposely confuse the issue.
What conservative policy is represented by the reporting on Hunter Biden's laptop? Assuming that the laptop is genuine, how did it come to be publicly disclosed? Did Hunter give journalists permission to disclose his personal information publicly? I'm just trying to understand how it came to be that the misappropriation of Hunter's dick pics came to be such an important conservative position.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/amp/

Hunter Biden introduced his father, then-Vice President Joe Biden, to a top executive at a Ukrainian energy firm less than a year before the elder Biden pressured government officials in Ukraine into firing a prosecutor who was investigating the company, according to emails obtained by The Post.

The never-before-revealed meeting is mentioned in a message of appreciation that Vadym Pozharskyi, an adviser to the board of Burisma, allegedly sent Hunter Biden on April 17, 2015, about a year after Hunter joined the Burisma board at a reported salary of up to $50,000 a month.

"Dear Hunter, thank you for inviting me to DC and giving an opportunity to meet your father and spent [sic] some time together. It's realty [sic] an honor and pleasure," the email reads.

An earlier email from May 2014 also shows Pozharskyi, reportedly Burisma's No. 3 exec, asking Hunter for "advice on how you could use your influence" on the company's behalf.
I enjoy how you included the bolded misinformation in the above quote. Is pretending like Biden's enactment of a bipartisan policy to terminate a corrupt prosecutor a core conservative position now?

Separately, if the NY Post didn't receive the email through Russian interference, can you remind us all how the NY Post came to legally possess what it purports to be Hunter Biden's emails?


Read the article. Newspapers routinely publish information that may have been obtained illegally. In this case, people's voices were actually suppressed. People posted things. Those true things were labeled misleading and hidden. That blows.
What true things? The things the NY post obtained from a blind computer repair person in Delaware who says Hunter Biden gave him 3 damaged laptops and then never came back for them? The same guy who essentially doxxed Hunter and perpetrated a massive invasion of privacy under very questionable circumstances? Do you really think it's impossible to rule out foul play?

According to the repair person himself, there is lots of disinformation included in the materials.

Quote:

What Mac Isaac said next, though, is what was most noteworthy. When he did his "deep dive," he said, he "saw a lot of photos" but "did not see a lot of photos that are being reported to [have been] seen."

"I do know that there have been multiple attempts over the past year-and-a-half to insert questionable material into the laptop as in, not physically, but passing off this misinformation or disinformation as coming from the laptop," he said. "And that is a major concern of mine because I have fought tooth and nail to protect the integrity of this drive and to jeopardize that is going to mean that everything that I sacrificed will be for nothing."

In other words, Mac Isaac says that he has seen claims about what the laptop contains that don't actually reflect what he saw on the laptop at the outset. Or, presumably, sees now, as one of the few people that might still have an unlittered copy of its contents.

To what is he referring? It's hard to say. It may include one of the more popular claims that has circulated on the right, alleging that the machine included evidence of criminal sexual activity by Hunter Biden. (This was alleged on-air by Tucker Carlson last year, without proof.) Or it may involve other claims entirely.

Here's where The Washington Post's discovery that folders were added becomes more important. We have evidence that the portable hard drive had something added to it both before and after the New York Post's original story and here's Mac Isaac agreeing that some of what he's seen presented as coming from the laptop was never on there. This is why provenance matters in journalistic investigations. Just because Rudy Giuliani says that material came from a hard drive is not reason to assume it did particularly when he's on-record as disparaging the idea that the material should be vetted before being reported on.
Twitter and other social media companies are permitted to moderate content. The Hunter Biden content was reported to have misinformation - even from the person who originally was responsible for doxxing Hunter.

The real question is why is the misappropriation of Hunter Biden's private documents, including dick pics, of such vital political importance to the GOP? The conservative movement is so weird nowadays that it appears to be impossible for anyone to separate your purported "political" viewpoints from absolutely batsh(t crazy conspiracy theories and personal hit pieces. It's not just Biden's dick pics that you people are obsessed with and pretending has become political censorship. Anti-vax misinformation used to be the purview of a few nutjobs (more liberal than conservative) but now it's apparently a core part of the conservative movement in this country.

What is really happening is that the conservative movement has become untethered from any reasonable policy movement in practice and so any sort of moderation of crazy bullsh(t conspiracy theories has automatically become the censorship of "conservative" views because you nutjobs have taken ownership of everything crazy.

If I'm wrong, please share one conservative political position which you all believe was unfairly "censored" by Twitter or others. If the best you have is Hunter's junk, I rest my case. You have to be able to do better than that if you are going to pretend this is politics.
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bearister said:

All disinformation claims should be settled in court by judge or jury…..you know, that reality venue where all Conservative allegations based on disinformation go to die:

1. The claims that the 2020 were rigged. How did that work out in every case brought?

2. That the January 6th Insurrectionists were non violent patriots or entrapped by the FBI. How did those prosecutions work out?

3. That the Whitmer kidnapping plot was an FBI sting operation. How has that worked out for those missing link f@ucking hillbillies?

Basically all the theories and allegations put forth by Conservatives on this site, by Conservatives nationwide, by tRump and his allies and by pundits on Fox News crash and burn when they are forced to move from the unsubstantiated allegation realm to the courtroom where rules of evidence and burdens of proof apply.
Yes - we absolutely should have truth tribunals. Are you insane?

Believe it or not, the first amendment actually protects peoples right to post crazy non-defamatory things. The whole point is the government should not be deciding what is disinformation, "science" or other similar issues.
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Unit2Sucks said:

oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

Just so we're clear, are you claiming that the sorts of "opinions" flagged as misinformation are "conservative" or Republican in nature?

I have no idea why stolen/misappropriated Hunter Biden dick pics are conservative. Maybe I missed the change in the GOP platform where that became a policy.

Before you ask us whether we are okay with what you consider to be government censorship of "conservative" views, I would love to hear what "conservative" views you believe were actually censored. So far all I've heard of are batsh(t crazy misinformation which are in no way political but seem to be deeply held beliefs by crackpots who happen to be GOP voters in this era because you and millions of other garden variety GOPers let Trump and his base take over the conservative movement.


Misinformation, such as the existence of Hunter's laptop itself tagged/labeled as misinformation and Russian propaganda and thus hidden and cast aside. I don't recall anyone protesting removal of dick picks. I am not sure why you went there, except to purposely confuse the issue.
What conservative policy is represented by the reporting on Hunter Biden's laptop? Assuming that the laptop is genuine, how did it come to be publicly disclosed? Did Hunter give journalists permission to disclose his personal information publicly? I'm just trying to understand how it came to be that the misappropriation of Hunter's dick pics came to be such an important conservative position.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/amp/

Hunter Biden introduced his father, then-Vice President Joe Biden, to a top executive at a Ukrainian energy firm less than a year before the elder Biden pressured government officials in Ukraine into firing a prosecutor who was investigating the company, according to emails obtained by The Post.

The never-before-revealed meeting is mentioned in a message of appreciation that Vadym Pozharskyi, an adviser to the board of Burisma, allegedly sent Hunter Biden on April 17, 2015, about a year after Hunter joined the Burisma board at a reported salary of up to $50,000 a month.

"Dear Hunter, thank you for inviting me to DC and giving an opportunity to meet your father and spent [sic] some time together. It's realty [sic] an honor and pleasure," the email reads.

An earlier email from May 2014 also shows Pozharskyi, reportedly Burisma's No. 3 exec, asking Hunter for "advice on how you could use your influence" on the company's behalf.
I enjoy how you included the bolded misinformation in the above quote. Is pretending like Biden's enactment of a bipartisan policy to terminate a corrupt prosecutor a core conservative position now?

Separately, if the NY Post didn't receive the email through Russian interference, can you remind us all how the NY Post came to legally possess what it purports to be Hunter Biden's emails?


Read the article. Newspapers routinely publish information that may have been obtained illegally. In this case, people's voices were actually suppressed. People posted things. Those true things were labeled misleading and hidden. That blows.
What true things? The things the NY post obtained from a blind computer repair person in Delaware who says Hunter Biden gave him 3 damaged laptops and then never came back for them? The same guy who essentially doxxed Hunter and perpetrated a massive invasion of privacy under very questionable circumstances? Do you really think it's impossible to rule out foul play?

According to the repair person himself, there is lots of disinformation included in the materials.

Quote:

What Mac Isaac said next, though, is what was most noteworthy. When he did his "deep dive," he said, he "saw a lot of photos" but "did not see a lot of photos that are being reported to [have been] seen."

"I do know that there have been multiple attempts over the past year-and-a-half to insert questionable material into the laptop as in, not physically, but passing off this misinformation or disinformation as coming from the laptop," he said. "And that is a major concern of mine because I have fought tooth and nail to protect the integrity of this drive and to jeopardize that is going to mean that everything that I sacrificed will be for nothing."

In other words, Mac Isaac says that he has seen claims about what the laptop contains that don't actually reflect what he saw on the laptop at the outset. Or, presumably, sees now, as one of the few people that might still have an unlittered copy of its contents.

To what is he referring? It's hard to say. It may include one of the more popular claims that has circulated on the right, alleging that the machine included evidence of criminal sexual activity by Hunter Biden. (This was alleged on-air by Tucker Carlson last year, without proof.) Or it may involve other claims entirely.

Here's where The Washington Post's discovery that folders were added becomes more important. We have evidence that the portable hard drive had something added to it both before and after the New York Post's original story and here's Mac Isaac agreeing that some of what he's seen presented as coming from the laptop was never on there. This is why provenance matters in journalistic investigations. Just because Rudy Giuliani says that material came from a hard drive is not reason to assume it did particularly when he's on-record as disparaging the idea that the material should be vetted before being reported on.
Twitter and other social media companies are permitted to moderate content. The Hunter Biden content was reported to have misinformation - even from the person who originally was responsible for doxxing Hunter.

The real question is why is the misappropriation of Hunter Biden's private documents, including dick pics, of such vital political importance to the GOP? The conservative movement is so weird nowadays that it appears to be impossible for anyone to separate your purported "political" viewpoints from absolutely batsh(t crazy conspiracy theories and personal hit pieces. It's not just Biden's dick pics that you people are obsessed with and pretending has become political censorship. Anti-vax misinformation used to be the purview of a few nutjobs (more liberal than conservative) but now it's apparently a core part of the conservative movement in this country.

What is really happening is that the conservative movement has become untethered from any reasonable policy movement in practice and so any sort of moderation of crazy bullsh(t conspiracy theories has automatically become the censorship of "conservative" views because you nutjobs have taken ownership of everything crazy.

If I'm wrong, please share one conservative political position which you all believe was unfairly "censored" by Twitter or others. If the best you have is Hunter's junk, I rest my case. You have to be able to do better than that if you are going to pretend this is politics.


Why are you so obsessed with Hunter's junk? That's strange.
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oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

Just so we're clear, are you claiming that the sorts of "opinions" flagged as misinformation are "conservative" or Republican in nature?

I have no idea why stolen/misappropriated Hunter Biden dick pics are conservative. Maybe I missed the change in the GOP platform where that became a policy.

Before you ask us whether we are okay with what you consider to be government censorship of "conservative" views, I would love to hear what "conservative" views you believe were actually censored. So far all I've heard of are batsh(t crazy misinformation which are in no way political but seem to be deeply held beliefs by crackpots who happen to be GOP voters in this era because you and millions of other garden variety GOPers let Trump and his base take over the conservative movement.


Misinformation, such as the existence of Hunter's laptop itself tagged/labeled as misinformation and Russian propaganda and thus hidden and cast aside. I don't recall anyone protesting removal of dick picks. I am not sure why you went there, except to purposely confuse the issue.
What conservative policy is represented by the reporting on Hunter Biden's laptop? Assuming that the laptop is genuine, how did it come to be publicly disclosed? Did Hunter give journalists permission to disclose his personal information publicly? I'm just trying to understand how it came to be that the misappropriation of Hunter's dick pics came to be such an important conservative position.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/amp/

Hunter Biden introduced his father, then-Vice President Joe Biden, to a top executive at a Ukrainian energy firm less than a year before the elder Biden pressured government officials in Ukraine into firing a prosecutor who was investigating the company, according to emails obtained by The Post.

The never-before-revealed meeting is mentioned in a message of appreciation that Vadym Pozharskyi, an adviser to the board of Burisma, allegedly sent Hunter Biden on April 17, 2015, about a year after Hunter joined the Burisma board at a reported salary of up to $50,000 a month.

"Dear Hunter, thank you for inviting me to DC and giving an opportunity to meet your father and spent [sic] some time together. It's realty [sic] an honor and pleasure," the email reads.

An earlier email from May 2014 also shows Pozharskyi, reportedly Burisma's No. 3 exec, asking Hunter for "advice on how you could use your influence" on the company's behalf.
I enjoy how you included the bolded misinformation in the above quote. Is pretending like Biden's enactment of a bipartisan policy to terminate a corrupt prosecutor a core conservative position now?

Separately, if the NY Post didn't receive the email through Russian interference, can you remind us all how the NY Post came to legally possess what it purports to be Hunter Biden's emails?


Read the article. Newspapers routinely publish information that may have been obtained illegally. In this case, people's voices were actually suppressed. People posted things. Those true things were labeled misleading and hidden. That blows.
What true things? The things the NY post obtained from a blind computer repair person in Delaware who says Hunter Biden gave him 3 damaged laptops and then never came back for them? The same guy who essentially doxxed Hunter and perpetrated a massive invasion of privacy under very questionable circumstances? Do you really think it's impossible to rule out foul play?

According to the repair person himself, there is lots of disinformation included in the materials.

Quote:

What Mac Isaac said next, though, is what was most noteworthy. When he did his "deep dive," he said, he "saw a lot of photos" but "did not see a lot of photos that are being reported to [have been] seen."

"I do know that there have been multiple attempts over the past year-and-a-half to insert questionable material into the laptop as in, not physically, but passing off this misinformation or disinformation as coming from the laptop," he said. "And that is a major concern of mine because I have fought tooth and nail to protect the integrity of this drive and to jeopardize that is going to mean that everything that I sacrificed will be for nothing."

In other words, Mac Isaac says that he has seen claims about what the laptop contains that don't actually reflect what he saw on the laptop at the outset. Or, presumably, sees now, as one of the few people that might still have an unlittered copy of its contents.

To what is he referring? It's hard to say. It may include one of the more popular claims that has circulated on the right, alleging that the machine included evidence of criminal sexual activity by Hunter Biden. (This was alleged on-air by Tucker Carlson last year, without proof.) Or it may involve other claims entirely.

Here's where The Washington Post's discovery that folders were added becomes more important. We have evidence that the portable hard drive had something added to it both before and after the New York Post's original story and here's Mac Isaac agreeing that some of what he's seen presented as coming from the laptop was never on there. This is why provenance matters in journalistic investigations. Just because Rudy Giuliani says that material came from a hard drive is not reason to assume it did particularly when he's on-record as disparaging the idea that the material should be vetted before being reported on.
Twitter and other social media companies are permitted to moderate content. The Hunter Biden content was reported to have misinformation - even from the person who originally was responsible for doxxing Hunter.

The real question is why is the misappropriation of Hunter Biden's private documents, including dick pics, of such vital political importance to the GOP? The conservative movement is so weird nowadays that it appears to be impossible for anyone to separate your purported "political" viewpoints from absolutely batsh(t crazy conspiracy theories and personal hit pieces. It's not just Biden's dick pics that you people are obsessed with and pretending has become political censorship. Anti-vax misinformation used to be the purview of a few nutjobs (more liberal than conservative) but now it's apparently a core part of the conservative movement in this country.

What is really happening is that the conservative movement has become untethered from any reasonable policy movement in practice and so any sort of moderation of crazy bullsh(t conspiracy theories has automatically become the censorship of "conservative" views because you nutjobs have taken ownership of everything crazy.

If I'm wrong, please share one conservative political position which you all believe was unfairly "censored" by Twitter or others. If the best you have is Hunter's junk, I rest my case. You have to be able to do better than that if you are going to pretend this is politics.


Why are you so obsessed with Hunter's junk? That's strange.


You and your fellow GOPers are in a 2 year plus meltdown over the suppression of those pics and consider them to be vital to the GOP's political position.

We are all still waiting for you guys to tell us what political censorship you are talking about, apart from Hunter's pork and beans.
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Unit2Sucks said:

oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

Just so we're clear, are you claiming that the sorts of "opinions" flagged as misinformation are "conservative" or Republican in nature?

I have no idea why stolen/misappropriated Hunter Biden dick pics are conservative. Maybe I missed the change in the GOP platform where that became a policy.

Before you ask us whether we are okay with what you consider to be government censorship of "conservative" views, I would love to hear what "conservative" views you believe were actually censored. So far all I've heard of are batsh(t crazy misinformation which are in no way political but seem to be deeply held beliefs by crackpots who happen to be GOP voters in this era because you and millions of other garden variety GOPers let Trump and his base take over the conservative movement.


Misinformation, such as the existence of Hunter's laptop itself tagged/labeled as misinformation and Russian propaganda and thus hidden and cast aside. I don't recall anyone protesting removal of dick picks. I am not sure why you went there, except to purposely confuse the issue.
What conservative policy is represented by the reporting on Hunter Biden's laptop? Assuming that the laptop is genuine, how did it come to be publicly disclosed? Did Hunter give journalists permission to disclose his personal information publicly? I'm just trying to understand how it came to be that the misappropriation of Hunter's dick pics came to be such an important conservative position.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/amp/

Hunter Biden introduced his father, then-Vice President Joe Biden, to a top executive at a Ukrainian energy firm less than a year before the elder Biden pressured government officials in Ukraine into firing a prosecutor who was investigating the company, according to emails obtained by The Post.

The never-before-revealed meeting is mentioned in a message of appreciation that Vadym Pozharskyi, an adviser to the board of Burisma, allegedly sent Hunter Biden on April 17, 2015, about a year after Hunter joined the Burisma board at a reported salary of up to $50,000 a month.

"Dear Hunter, thank you for inviting me to DC and giving an opportunity to meet your father and spent [sic] some time together. It's realty [sic] an honor and pleasure," the email reads.

An earlier email from May 2014 also shows Pozharskyi, reportedly Burisma's No. 3 exec, asking Hunter for "advice on how you could use your influence" on the company's behalf.
I enjoy how you included the bolded misinformation in the above quote. Is pretending like Biden's enactment of a bipartisan policy to terminate a corrupt prosecutor a core conservative position now?

Separately, if the NY Post didn't receive the email through Russian interference, can you remind us all how the NY Post came to legally possess what it purports to be Hunter Biden's emails?


Read the article. Newspapers routinely publish information that may have been obtained illegally. In this case, people's voices were actually suppressed. People posted things. Those true things were labeled misleading and hidden. That blows.
What true things? The things the NY post obtained from a blind computer repair person in Delaware who says Hunter Biden gave him 3 damaged laptops and then never came back for them? The same guy who essentially doxxed Hunter and perpetrated a massive invasion of privacy under very questionable circumstances? Do you really think it's impossible to rule out foul play?

According to the repair person himself, there is lots of disinformation included in the materials.


Quote:

What Mac Isaac said next, though, is what was most noteworthy. When he did his "deep dive," he said, he "saw a lot of photos" but "did not see a lot of photos that are being reported to [have been] seen."

"I do know that there have been multiple attempts over the past year-and-a-half to insert questionable material into the laptop as in, not physically, but passing off this misinformation or disinformation as coming from the laptop," he said. "And that is a major concern of mine because I have fought tooth and nail to protect the integrity of this drive and to jeopardize that is going to mean that everything that I sacrificed will be for nothing."

In other words, Mac Isaac says that he has seen claims about what the laptop contains that don't actually reflect what he saw on the laptop at the outset. Or, presumably, sees now, as one of the few people that might still have an unlittered copy of its contents.

To what is he referring? It's hard to say. It may include one of the more popular claims that has circulated on the right, alleging that the machine included evidence of criminal sexual activity by Hunter Biden. (This was alleged on-air by Tucker Carlson last year, without proof.) Or it may involve other claims entirely.

Here's where The Washington Post's discovery that folders were added becomes more important. We have evidence that the portable hard drive had something added to it both before and after the New York Post's original story and here's Mac Isaac agreeing that some of what he's seen presented as coming from the laptop was never on there. This is why provenance matters in journalistic investigations. Just because Rudy Giuliani says that material came from a hard drive is not reason to assume it did particularly when he's on-record as disparaging the idea that the material should be vetted before being reported on.
Twitter and other social media companies are permitted to moderate content. The Hunter Biden content was reported to have misinformation - even from the person who originally was responsible for doxxing Hunter.

The real question is why is the misappropriation of Hunter Biden's private documents, including dick pics, of such vital political importance to the GOP? The conservative movement is so weird nowadays that it appears to be impossible for anyone to separate your purported "political" viewpoints from absolutely batsh(t crazy conspiracy theories and personal hit pieces. It's not just Biden's dick pics that you people are obsessed with and pretending has become political censorship. Anti-vax misinformation used to be the purview of a few nutjobs (more liberal than conservative) but now it's apparently a core part of the conservative movement in this country.

What is really happening is that the conservative movement has become untethered from any reasonable policy movement in practice and so any sort of moderation of crazy bullsh(t conspiracy theories has automatically become the censorship of "conservative" views because you nutjobs have taken ownership of everything crazy.

If I'm wrong, please share one conservative political position which you all believe was unfairly "censored" by Twitter or others. If the best you have is Hunter's junk, I rest my case. You have to be able to do better than that if you are going to pretend this is politics.
The importance of the laptop was the Biden family ties to Ukraine, China and other foreign actors/states. It is proven that China and Ukraine funneled millions of dollars to Hunter in an obvious attempt to buy influence with the Big Guy Joe.

And if foreign states have blackmail/pictures of Hunter, isn't that the same type of allegation that libs made re the Trump Dossier/pee tape? How many times were we told that Trump was compromised?

Both the NY Times and WaPo have admitted the laptop was not disinformation and was a legitimate news story. The fact that you still can't accept that is quite funny.

https://nypost.com/2022/04/01/new-york-times-finally-admit-hunters-laptop-is-real-but-only-to-protect-joe-biden/

The head of twitter censorship, Yoel Roth, has admitted they were duped and wrong to censor the laptop story. Interesting, he seems to be claiming he was a victim of a US misinformation/grooming program that caused him to overreact.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/former-twitter-security-chief-yoel-roth-admits-it-was-wrong-to-censor-hunter-biden-laptop-story

To answer your question - because I'll do that even when you won't - Alex Berenson's covid and vax positions (associated with the right) were censored. First he was throttled then he was deplatformed - for writing things that were in hindsight 100% true. And the censoring was at the behest of government actors (Fauci's crew) as well as others on the left.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2022/08/alex-berenson-twitter-ban-lawsuit-covid-misinformation/671219/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/twitter-becomes-a-tool-of-government-censors-alex-berenson-twitter-facebook-ban-covid-misinformation-first-amendment-psaki-murthy-section-230-antitrust-11660732095
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BearGoggles said:

bearister said:

All disinformation claims should be settled in court by judge or jury…..you know, that reality venue where all Conservative allegations based on disinformation go to die:

1. The claims that the 2020 were rigged. How did that work out in every case brought?

2. That the January 6th Insurrectionists were non violent patriots or entrapped by the FBI. How did those prosecutions work out?

3. That the Whitmer kidnapping plot was an FBI sting operation. How has that worked out for those missing link f@ucking hillbillies?

Basically all the theories and allegations put forth by Conservatives on this site, by Conservatives nationwide, by tRump and his allies and by pundits on Fox News crash and burn when they are forced to move from the unsubstantiated allegation realm to the courtroom where rules of evidence and burdens of proof apply.
Yes - we absolutely should have truth tribunals. Are you insane?

Believe it or not, the first amendment actually protects peoples right to post crazy non-defamatory things. The whole point is the government should not be deciding what is disinformation, "science" or other similar issues.
There you go again asserting US 1st amendment rights on a global platform. By the way, I don't think the 1st amendment would force someone to have to accept anything someone else wants to post to their website. You're free to post your crackpot theories to your own website but not to other people's without their approval.
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BearGoggles said:

Unit2Sucks said:

oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

Just so we're clear, are you claiming that the sorts of "opinions" flagged as misinformation are "conservative" or Republican in nature?

I have no idea why stolen/misappropriated Hunter Biden dick pics are conservative. Maybe I missed the change in the GOP platform where that became a policy.

Before you ask us whether we are okay with what you consider to be government censorship of "conservative" views, I would love to hear what "conservative" views you believe were actually censored. So far all I've heard of are batsh(t crazy misinformation which are in no way political but seem to be deeply held beliefs by crackpots who happen to be GOP voters in this era because you and millions of other garden variety GOPers let Trump and his base take over the conservative movement.


Misinformation, such as the existence of Hunter's laptop itself tagged/labeled as misinformation and Russian propaganda and thus hidden and cast aside. I don't recall anyone protesting removal of dick picks. I am not sure why you went there, except to purposely confuse the issue.
What conservative policy is represented by the reporting on Hunter Biden's laptop? Assuming that the laptop is genuine, how did it come to be publicly disclosed? Did Hunter give journalists permission to disclose his personal information publicly? I'm just trying to understand how it came to be that the misappropriation of Hunter's dick pics came to be such an important conservative position.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/amp/

Hunter Biden introduced his father, then-Vice President Joe Biden, to a top executive at a Ukrainian energy firm less than a year before the elder Biden pressured government officials in Ukraine into firing a prosecutor who was investigating the company, according to emails obtained by The Post.

The never-before-revealed meeting is mentioned in a message of appreciation that Vadym Pozharskyi, an adviser to the board of Burisma, allegedly sent Hunter Biden on April 17, 2015, about a year after Hunter joined the Burisma board at a reported salary of up to $50,000 a month.

"Dear Hunter, thank you for inviting me to DC and giving an opportunity to meet your father and spent [sic] some time together. It's realty [sic] an honor and pleasure," the email reads.

An earlier email from May 2014 also shows Pozharskyi, reportedly Burisma's No. 3 exec, asking Hunter for "advice on how you could use your influence" on the company's behalf.
I enjoy how you included the bolded misinformation in the above quote. Is pretending like Biden's enactment of a bipartisan policy to terminate a corrupt prosecutor a core conservative position now?

Separately, if the NY Post didn't receive the email through Russian interference, can you remind us all how the NY Post came to legally possess what it purports to be Hunter Biden's emails?


Read the article. Newspapers routinely publish information that may have been obtained illegally. In this case, people's voices were actually suppressed. People posted things. Those true things were labeled misleading and hidden. That blows.
What true things? The things the NY post obtained from a blind computer repair person in Delaware who says Hunter Biden gave him 3 damaged laptops and then never came back for them? The same guy who essentially doxxed Hunter and perpetrated a massive invasion of privacy under very questionable circumstances? Do you really think it's impossible to rule out foul play?

According to the repair person himself, there is lots of disinformation included in the materials.


Quote:

What Mac Isaac said next, though, is what was most noteworthy. When he did his "deep dive," he said, he "saw a lot of photos" but "did not see a lot of photos that are being reported to [have been] seen."

"I do know that there have been multiple attempts over the past year-and-a-half to insert questionable material into the laptop as in, not physically, but passing off this misinformation or disinformation as coming from the laptop," he said. "And that is a major concern of mine because I have fought tooth and nail to protect the integrity of this drive and to jeopardize that is going to mean that everything that I sacrificed will be for nothing."

In other words, Mac Isaac says that he has seen claims about what the laptop contains that don't actually reflect what he saw on the laptop at the outset. Or, presumably, sees now, as one of the few people that might still have an unlittered copy of its contents.

To what is he referring? It's hard to say. It may include one of the more popular claims that has circulated on the right, alleging that the machine included evidence of criminal sexual activity by Hunter Biden. (This was alleged on-air by Tucker Carlson last year, without proof.) Or it may involve other claims entirely.

Here's where The Washington Post's discovery that folders were added becomes more important. We have evidence that the portable hard drive had something added to it both before and after the New York Post's original story and here's Mac Isaac agreeing that some of what he's seen presented as coming from the laptop was never on there. This is why provenance matters in journalistic investigations. Just because Rudy Giuliani says that material came from a hard drive is not reason to assume it did particularly when he's on-record as disparaging the idea that the material should be vetted before being reported on.
Twitter and other social media companies are permitted to moderate content. The Hunter Biden content was reported to have misinformation - even from the person who originally was responsible for doxxing Hunter.

The real question is why is the misappropriation of Hunter Biden's private documents, including dick pics, of such vital political importance to the GOP? The conservative movement is so weird nowadays that it appears to be impossible for anyone to separate your purported "political" viewpoints from absolutely batsh(t crazy conspiracy theories and personal hit pieces. It's not just Biden's dick pics that you people are obsessed with and pretending has become political censorship. Anti-vax misinformation used to be the purview of a few nutjobs (more liberal than conservative) but now it's apparently a core part of the conservative movement in this country.

What is really happening is that the conservative movement has become untethered from any reasonable policy movement in practice and so any sort of moderation of crazy bullsh(t conspiracy theories has automatically become the censorship of "conservative" views because you nutjobs have taken ownership of everything crazy.

If I'm wrong, please share one conservative political position which you all believe was unfairly "censored" by Twitter or others. If the best you have is Hunter's junk, I rest my case. You have to be able to do better than that if you are going to pretend this is politics.
The importance of the laptop was the Biden family ties to Ukraine, China and other foreign actors/states. It is proven that China and Ukraine funneled millions of dollars to Hunter in an obvious attempt to buy influence with the Big Guy Joe.

And if foreign states have blackmail/pictures of Hunter, isn't that the same type of allegation that libs made re the Trump Dossier/pee tape? How many times were we told that Trump was compromised?

Both the NY Times and WaPo have admitted the laptop was not disinformation and was a legitimate news story. The fact that you still can't accept that is quite funny.

https://nypost.com/2022/04/01/new-york-times-finally-admit-hunters-laptop-is-real-but-only-to-protect-joe-biden/

The head of twitter censorship, Yoel Roth, has admitted they were duped and wrong to censor the laptop story. Interesting, he seems to be claiming he was a victim of a US misinformation/grooming program that caused him to overreact.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/former-twitter-security-chief-yoel-roth-admits-it-was-wrong-to-censor-hunter-biden-laptop-story

To answer your question - because I'll do that even when you won't - Alex Berenson's covid and vax positions (associated with the right) were censored. First he was throttled then he was deplatformed - for writing things that were in hindsight 100% true. And the censoring was at the behest of government actors (Fauci's crew) as well as others on the left.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2022/08/alex-berenson-twitter-ban-lawsuit-covid-misinformation/671219/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/twitter-becomes-a-tool-of-government-censors-alex-berenson-twitter-facebook-ban-covid-misinformation-first-amendment-psaki-murthy-section-230-antitrust-11660732095
Alex Berenson was called the Pandemic's Wrongest Man and in no way could any reasonable person claim that his statements were 100% true. The fact that you think Twitter removing someone responsible for so many wildly wrong statements was political in nature is evidence of what I'm saying in this thread.

This is an example of an Alex Berenson COVID tweet.



Guess who was wrong.

Just because a lot of conservatives happen to believe any given conspiracy theory doesn't make the removal of that conspiracy theory political in nature.

Next you will tell me it's political censorship when Twitter bans anti-semites because lots of GOPers are anti-semitic. Oh, I managed to bring it back to Alex Berenson, sorry about that.

Moral of the story, the GOP has aligned itself with so many baths(t crazy theories of late that it can claim any attempt to moderate dangerous ones is political in nature. That should be a warning sign to the GOP that it keeps amplifying BS and gaslighting its base.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

BearGoggles said:

bearister said:

All disinformation claims should be settled in court by judge or jury…..you know, that reality venue where all Conservative allegations based on disinformation go to die:

1. The claims that the 2020 were rigged. How did that work out in every case brought?

2. That the January 6th Insurrectionists were non violent patriots or entrapped by the FBI. How did those prosecutions work out?

3. That the Whitmer kidnapping plot was an FBI sting operation. How has that worked out for those missing link f@ucking hillbillies?

Basically all the theories and allegations put forth by Conservatives on this site, by Conservatives nationwide, by tRump and his allies and by pundits on Fox News crash and burn when they are forced to move from the unsubstantiated allegation realm to the courtroom where rules of evidence and burdens of proof apply.
Yes - we absolutely should have truth tribunals. Are you insane?

Believe it or not, the first amendment actually protects peoples right to post crazy non-defamatory things. The whole point is the government should not be deciding what is disinformation, "science" or other similar issues.
There you go again asserting US 1st amendment rights on a global platform. By the way, I don't think the 1st amendment would force someone to have to accept anything someone else wants to post to their website. You're free to post your crackpot theories to your own website but not to other people's without their approval.
Man are you confused. The absurd claim I responded to was that disinformation claims should be resolved in courts by judge or jury. The first amendment applies to Courts (and by extension judges juries). Google "prior restraint". This is not even subject to debate. It has nothing to do with a private platform.

In terms of the bolded statement, that's probably true today but there are some cases making their way through the courts that might change that. The supreme court (and possibly congress) will decide.
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BearGoggles said:

bearister said:

All disinformation claims should be settled in court by judge or jury…..you know, that reality venue where all Conservative allegations based on disinformation go to die:

1. The claims that the 2020 were rigged. How did that work out in every case brought?

2. That the January 6th Insurrectionists were non violent patriots or entrapped by the FBI. How did those prosecutions work out?

3. That the Whitmer kidnapping plot was an FBI sting operation. How has that worked out for those missing link f@ucking hillbillies?

Basically all the theories and allegations put forth by Conservatives on this site, by Conservatives nationwide, by tRump and his allies and by pundits on Fox News crash and burn when they are forced to move from the unsubstantiated allegation realm to the courtroom where rules of evidence and burdens of proof apply.
Yes - we absolutely should have truth tribunals. Are you insane?

Believe it or not, the first amendment actually protects peoples right to post crazy non-defamatory things. The whole point is the government should not be deciding what is disinformation, "science" or other similar issues.


I am actually being altruistic. I have a lot of concern for my fellow man that is dumb enough to believe Conservative misinformation that lands them either in the ICU on a ventilator or in state or federal prison. I'm on a mission to Save the Moron.


Convicted Gov. Whitmer kidnap plotters Barry Croft Jr., left, and Adam Fox.





John Pierce, an anti-vaccination advocate and lawyer representing people arrested for allegedly participating in the January 6 Capitol riots, with COVID-19 on a ventilator.
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Here's another "conservative" that the GOP would probably claim is a victim of political censorship. He's prized by conservatives as a men's rights activist, whatever the hell that's supposed to mean. Now he's in jail in Romania accused of human trafficking. Someone let Romania know that he's a political prisoner because white losers in the US who love this guy are GOPers.



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Unit2Sucks said:

BearGoggles said:

Unit2Sucks said:

oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

Just so we're clear, are you claiming that the sorts of "opinions" flagged as misinformation are "conservative" or Republican in nature?

I have no idea why stolen/misappropriated Hunter Biden dick pics are conservative. Maybe I missed the change in the GOP platform where that became a policy.

Before you ask us whether we are okay with what you consider to be government censorship of "conservative" views, I would love to hear what "conservative" views you believe were actually censored. So far all I've heard of are batsh(t crazy misinformation which are in no way political but seem to be deeply held beliefs by crackpots who happen to be GOP voters in this era because you and millions of other garden variety GOPers let Trump and his base take over the conservative movement.


Misinformation, such as the existence of Hunter's laptop itself tagged/labeled as misinformation and Russian propaganda and thus hidden and cast aside. I don't recall anyone protesting removal of dick picks. I am not sure why you went there, except to purposely confuse the issue.
What conservative policy is represented by the reporting on Hunter Biden's laptop? Assuming that the laptop is genuine, how did it come to be publicly disclosed? Did Hunter give journalists permission to disclose his personal information publicly? I'm just trying to understand how it came to be that the misappropriation of Hunter's dick pics came to be such an important conservative position.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/amp/

Hunter Biden introduced his father, then-Vice President Joe Biden, to a top executive at a Ukrainian energy firm less than a year before the elder Biden pressured government officials in Ukraine into firing a prosecutor who was investigating the company, according to emails obtained by The Post.

The never-before-revealed meeting is mentioned in a message of appreciation that Vadym Pozharskyi, an adviser to the board of Burisma, allegedly sent Hunter Biden on April 17, 2015, about a year after Hunter joined the Burisma board at a reported salary of up to $50,000 a month.

"Dear Hunter, thank you for inviting me to DC and giving an opportunity to meet your father and spent [sic] some time together. It's realty [sic] an honor and pleasure," the email reads.

An earlier email from May 2014 also shows Pozharskyi, reportedly Burisma's No. 3 exec, asking Hunter for "advice on how you could use your influence" on the company's behalf.
I enjoy how you included the bolded misinformation in the above quote. Is pretending like Biden's enactment of a bipartisan policy to terminate a corrupt prosecutor a core conservative position now?

Separately, if the NY Post didn't receive the email through Russian interference, can you remind us all how the NY Post came to legally possess what it purports to be Hunter Biden's emails?


Read the article. Newspapers routinely publish information that may have been obtained illegally. In this case, people's voices were actually suppressed. People posted things. Those true things were labeled misleading and hidden. That blows.
What true things? The things the NY post obtained from a blind computer repair person in Delaware who says Hunter Biden gave him 3 damaged laptops and then never came back for them? The same guy who essentially doxxed Hunter and perpetrated a massive invasion of privacy under very questionable circumstances? Do you really think it's impossible to rule out foul play?

According to the repair person himself, there is lots of disinformation included in the materials.


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What Mac Isaac said next, though, is what was most noteworthy. When he did his "deep dive," he said, he "saw a lot of photos" but "did not see a lot of photos that are being reported to [have been] seen."

"I do know that there have been multiple attempts over the past year-and-a-half to insert questionable material into the laptop as in, not physically, but passing off this misinformation or disinformation as coming from the laptop," he said. "And that is a major concern of mine because I have fought tooth and nail to protect the integrity of this drive and to jeopardize that is going to mean that everything that I sacrificed will be for nothing."

In other words, Mac Isaac says that he has seen claims about what the laptop contains that don't actually reflect what he saw on the laptop at the outset. Or, presumably, sees now, as one of the few people that might still have an unlittered copy of its contents.

To what is he referring? It's hard to say. It may include one of the more popular claims that has circulated on the right, alleging that the machine included evidence of criminal sexual activity by Hunter Biden. (This was alleged on-air by Tucker Carlson last year, without proof.) Or it may involve other claims entirely.

Here's where The Washington Post's discovery that folders were added becomes more important. We have evidence that the portable hard drive had something added to it both before and after the New York Post's original story and here's Mac Isaac agreeing that some of what he's seen presented as coming from the laptop was never on there. This is why provenance matters in journalistic investigations. Just because Rudy Giuliani says that material came from a hard drive is not reason to assume it did particularly when he's on-record as disparaging the idea that the material should be vetted before being reported on.
Twitter and other social media companies are permitted to moderate content. The Hunter Biden content was reported to have misinformation - even from the person who originally was responsible for doxxing Hunter.

The real question is why is the misappropriation of Hunter Biden's private documents, including dick pics, of such vital political importance to the GOP? The conservative movement is so weird nowadays that it appears to be impossible for anyone to separate your purported "political" viewpoints from absolutely batsh(t crazy conspiracy theories and personal hit pieces. It's not just Biden's dick pics that you people are obsessed with and pretending has become political censorship. Anti-vax misinformation used to be the purview of a few nutjobs (more liberal than conservative) but now it's apparently a core part of the conservative movement in this country.

What is really happening is that the conservative movement has become untethered from any reasonable policy movement in practice and so any sort of moderation of crazy bullsh(t conspiracy theories has automatically become the censorship of "conservative" views because you nutjobs have taken ownership of everything crazy.

If I'm wrong, please share one conservative political position which you all believe was unfairly "censored" by Twitter or others. If the best you have is Hunter's junk, I rest my case. You have to be able to do better than that if you are going to pretend this is politics.
The importance of the laptop was the Biden family ties to Ukraine, China and other foreign actors/states. It is proven that China and Ukraine funneled millions of dollars to Hunter in an obvious attempt to buy influence with the Big Guy Joe.

And if foreign states have blackmail/pictures of Hunter, isn't that the same type of allegation that libs made re the Trump Dossier/pee tape? How many times were we told that Trump was compromised?

Both the NY Times and WaPo have admitted the laptop was not disinformation and was a legitimate news story. The fact that you still can't accept that is quite funny.

https://nypost.com/2022/04/01/new-york-times-finally-admit-hunters-laptop-is-real-but-only-to-protect-joe-biden/

The head of twitter censorship, Yoel Roth, has admitted they were duped and wrong to censor the laptop story. Interesting, he seems to be claiming he was a victim of a US misinformation/grooming program that caused him to overreact.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/former-twitter-security-chief-yoel-roth-admits-it-was-wrong-to-censor-hunter-biden-laptop-story

To answer your question - because I'll do that even when you won't - Alex Berenson's covid and vax positions (associated with the right) were censored. First he was throttled then he was deplatformed - for writing things that were in hindsight 100% true. And the censoring was at the behest of government actors (Fauci's crew) as well as others on the left.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2022/08/alex-berenson-twitter-ban-lawsuit-covid-misinformation/671219/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/twitter-becomes-a-tool-of-government-censors-alex-berenson-twitter-facebook-ban-covid-misinformation-first-amendment-psaki-murthy-section-230-antitrust-11660732095
Alex Berenson was called the Pandemic's Wrongest Man and in no way could any reasonable person claim that his statements were 100% true. The fact that you think Twitter removing someone responsible for so many wildly wrong statements was political in nature is evidence of what I'm saying in this thread.

This is an example of an Alex Berenson COVID tweet.



Guess who was wrong.

Just because a lot of conservatives happen to believe any given conspiracy theory doesn't make the removal of that conspiracy theory political in nature.

Next you will tell me it's political censorship when Twitter bans anti-semites because lots of GOPers are anti-semitic. Oh, I managed to bring it back to Alex Berenson, sorry about that.

Moral of the story, the GOP has aligned itself with so many baths(t crazy theories of late that it can claim any attempt to moderate dangerous ones is political in nature. That should be a warning sign to the GOP that it keeps amplifying BS and gaslighting its base.

You asked for a conservative who was banned and I gave you one. The fact you don't like what he tweeted is irrelevant - my point stands as proven. And that the tweet that got him banned was 100% true, as I claimed.

""It doesn't stop infection. Or transmission. Don't think of it as a vaccine," Berenson said in his tweet.

"Think of it at best as a therapeutic with a limited window of efficacy and terrible side effect profile that must be dosed IN ADVANCE OF ILLNESS. And we want to mandate it? Insanity""

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/goodbye-twitter

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/569908-twitter-bans-conservative-author-Alex-Berenson/

Berenson sued pre-Elon Twitter and won. What does that tell you? As part of his lawsuit, he obtained evidence that the Biden admin directly pressured Twitter to suspend him.

And LMAO of at "lots" of GOP being antisemitic. Ilhan Omar and Rashida Talib say hello. It is not GOP supporters who are attacking orthodox jews in NY or for that matter chanting "from the river to the sea" while attempting to deplatform zionists at places like Cal.

To summarize, any attack or questioning of official pro-vax claims was censored, throttled, or tagged. Literally Youtube removed official government sponsored scientific debates because they contracted "the consensus of local and global health authorities". W_T_F?

https://khn.org/news/article/censorship-or-misinformation-desantis-and-youtube-spar-over-covid-roundtable-takedown/



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Dude you are the one claiming anti semitist Alex Berenson as the victim of anti conservative political bias.

All you've done is reinforce that you believe any nut job conservative who is restricted for misinformation has to have been restricted for political reasons.

Don't you get tired of losing? This isn't exactly a great finish to the year for you.
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Unit2Sucks said:

Dude you are the one claiming anti semitist Alex Berenson as the victim of anti conservative political bias.

All you've done is reinforce that you believe any nut job conservative who is restricted for misinformation has to have been restricted for political reasons.

Don't you get tired of losing? This isn't exactly a great finish to the year for you.

Alex Berenson is jewish. He could still be antisemtic. How about a link and explanation, rather than just a conclusory statement/slur? As usual, its just a drive by claim from you to distract and deflect.

In terms of the middle statement, it is undisputed Berenson was censored/deplatformed for political reasons. It is literally a proven fact that twitter removed him in response to Biden admin pressure. It doesn't matter if what he posted was correct or not - that's the part you can't acknowledge because it is so damaging to your tribe.

Biden, Fauci, et al told us that if we got the vax (which I did 3 times) we couldn't get covid. Who is spreading misinformation? Why are they still on twitter?

I am consistent on this issue. I don't think the likes of Omar and Tlaib should be deplatformed even though I find much of what they say disgusting.

I'm going to circle back to my original question which you have, as always, dodged. Are you ok with the government funding private groups to promote censorship of viewpoints under the guise of domestic terrorism?

Yes or no. Ron DeSantis wants to know what the left things is ok.
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You have now proven how disingenuous you are by claiming that any action taken by the Biden administration for any reason is de facto political.

What you fail to see, mired so deep in your partisan hackery, is that government action taken to protect our citizens can be substantive. Berenson was targeted for his remarkably false and prolific spread of misinformation which was anti public health. The fact that the GOP fell in love with the same misinformation doesn't make the removal of that misinformation political in nature. I don't expect you to ever figure it out.

As for Berenson, feel free to search for his anti semitism in relation to NY state chasidim for but one example.
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BearGoggles said:

Unit2Sucks said:

Dude you are the one claiming anti semitist Alex Berenson as the victim of anti conservative political bias.

All you've done is reinforce that you believe any nut job conservative who is restricted for misinformation has to have been restricted for political reasons.

Don't you get tired of losing? This isn't exactly a great finish to the year for you.

Alex Berenson is jewish. He could still be antisemtic. How about a link and explanation, rather than just a conclusory statement/slur? As usual, its just a drive by claim from you to distract and deflect.

In terms of the middle statement, it is undisputed Berenson was censored/deplatformed for political reasons. It is literally a proven fact that twitter removed him in response to Biden admin pressure. It doesn't matter if what he posted was correct or not - that's the part you can't acknowledge because it is so damaging to your tribe.

Biden, Fauci, et al told us that if we got the vax (which I did 3 times) we couldn't get covid. Who is spreading misinformation? Why are they still on twitter?

I am consistent on this issue. I don't think the likes of Omar and Tlaib should be deplatformed even though I find much of what they say disgusting.

I'm going to circle back to my original question which you have, as always, dodged. Are you ok with the government funding private groups to promote censorship of viewpoints under the guise of domestic terrorism?

Yes or no. Ron DeSantis wants to know what the left things is ok.


Winner. Nice job.
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Forgot to mention that according to BG, domestic terrorism is part of the conservative political platform so any law enforcement investigation of domestic terrorism must be political.

This is just how crazy the GOP has become. They start the day complaining about politically driven censorship of core conservatives speech and it turns out they are referring to Hunter Biden's dick pics, anti public health misinformation and domestic terrorism. Great movement you have there, it's no wonder you are getting your azzes kicked in elections.
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Pretty scandalous if true that Trump's government was suppressing speech.
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Unit2Sucks said:

Here's another "conservative" that the GOP would probably claim is a victim of political censorship. He's prized by conservatives as a men's rights activist, whatever the hell that's supposed to mean. Now he's in jail in Romania accused of human trafficking. Someone let Romania know that he's a political prisoner because white losers in the US who love this guy are GOPers.




The arrest of GOP hero Andrew Tate is just getting more and more hilarious. Tate is representative of the sort of "political" censorship and government action that BG is crowing about in this thread because Tate was popular with conservatives and regularly went on Fox News.





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Nobody here is saying that no tweets should be censored by big tech. Leave it to U2 to twist the narrative.

Since this guy got arrested, that validates suppressing tweets of facts conflicting with CDC guidance.

Since this guy got arrested, that validates suppressing links that would have informed U2 of the links between the approved covid vaccines and myocarditis. Got it.

Lol. U2 logic is awesome!
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Unit2Sucks said:

Forgot to mention that according to BG, domestic terrorism is part of the conservative political platform so any law enforcement investigation of domestic terrorism must be political.

This is just how crazy the GOP has become. They start the day complaining about politically driven censorship of core conservatives speech and it turns out they are referring to Hunter Biden's dick pics, anti public health misinformation and domestic terrorism. Great movement you have there, it's no wonder you are getting your azzes kicked in elections.

Bingo.
I dont even know who the GOP is anymore.

Seems like it's filled with "stupid sycophants and sickos.
Boepert, Gaetz, Cawthorn, Gosar, and Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Ronald Reagan would be turning over in his grave.


"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
Unit2Sucks
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oski003 said:

Nobody here is saying that no tweets should be censored by big tech. Leave it to U2 to twist the narrative.

Since this guy got arrested, that validates suppressing tweets of facts conflicting with CDC guidance.

Since this guy got arrested, that validates suppressing links that would have informed U2 of the links between the approved covid vaccines and myocarditis. Got it.

Lol. U2 logic is awesome!
I don't know if I can say this slowly enough for someone like you to figure it out, but of course you have it all wrong.

The person who started this thread believes that any suppression of speech is political in nature if the Federal government is involved.

He says it right here:
BearGoggles said:

Unit2Sucks said:


All you've done is reinforce that you believe any nut job conservative who is restricted for misinformation has to have been restricted for political reasons.


In terms of the middle statement, it is undisputed Berenson was censored/deplatformed for political reasons. It is literally a proven fact that twitter removed him in response to Biden admin pressure. It doesn't matter if what he posted was correct or not - that's the part you can't acknowledge because it is so damaging to your tribe.
Since Tate is beloved by GOP/conservatives, any suppression of him involving a government MUST be political according to BearGoggles. So, if the FBI asked Twitter to remove his content because it is involved in his human trafficking (which is celebrated by Tucker Carlson - who has had him as a guest multiple times) - than it's political according to BG. Since this is his thread, my posts are on topic whereas you are just doing your normal content-less low-energy contrarian schtick.
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