bear2034 said:

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And why do black kids from two parent households fare better than white kids from single parent households?

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Someone is asking logical, non-PC questions.

bear2034 said:

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And why is there so much focus on race and no national conversation about broken families when statistics show white and black kids both fare better when they grow up with two parents?

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And why do you have no answers for preventing broken families? Give us a workable plan.

Oh, wait, I'm asking a Republican for a plan to fix the country's ills. That's a waste of time.

You seem a little more unhinged lately.

bear2034 said:

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You seem a little more unhinged lately.

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Yep, I figured you would dodge with a personal attack. It's easier than thinking up an answer for social issues.

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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bear2034 said:

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You seem a little more unhinged lately.

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Yep, I figured you would dodge with a personal attack. It's easier than thinking up an answer for social issues.

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It's those damn Republicans in California and OREGON! that are stopping you libs from solving the issues that are plaguing society. And I thought AB89 was stupid!

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bear2034 said:

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And why is there so much focus on race and no national conversation about broken families when statistics show white and black kids both fare better when they grow up with two parents?

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And why do you have no answers for preventing broken families? Give us a workable plan.

Oh, wait, I'm asking a Republican for a plan to fix the country's ills. That's a waste of time.

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Democrat big government social policies destroyed traditional Black families - families that survived slavery and Jim Crow - and now you want country club Republicans to fix the devastation?

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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bear2034 said:

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And why is there so much focus on race and no national conversation about broken families when statistics show white and black kids both fare better when they grow up with two parents?

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And why do you have no answers for preventing broken families? Give us a workable plan.

Oh, wait, I'm asking a Republican for a plan to fix the country's ills. That's a waste of time.

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Democrat big government social policies destroyed traditional Black families - families that survived slavery and Jim Crow - and now you want country club Republicans to fix the devastation?

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Bear2034 is a country club Republican?

going4roses said:

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If I told you or showed you the truth you would just continue lying why because it benefits you first and foremost.

Lineage matters they are not descendants of the Freedman thus …

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If Bear2034 told you or showed you the truth you would just continue lying why because it benefits you first and foremost.

Taking ownership of your destiny matters. Take responsibility. Stop blaming others.

But you and a few others start from a place of the "others" are not the sole/primary cause of the most of the present problems. Due to the white fragility the level of colonial racist ws white privilege is grotesque thus you say flipintly we just have to "too just deal with it" when yall have never to consider let alone "just deal with it" NEVER
absolutely no accountablity …
y'all exist by the mantra "admit nothing and deny everything"

Nope it was both the democrats and republicans that caused the problem you do know that also I sure have not seen Tim scott or money Mitch fixing the issue have pyou?

going4roses said:

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But you and a few others start from a place of the "others" are not the sole/primary cause of the most of the present problems. Due to the white fragility the level of colonial racist ws white privilege is grotesque thus you say flipintly we just have to "too just deal with it" when yall have never to consider let alone "just deal with it" NEVER
absolutely no accountablity …
y'all exist by the mantra "admit nothing and deny everything"

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I am not totally sure what you are saying because your writing is so poor; however, I am 99% sure you failed to answer these questions, which were asked to you on the previous page:

Why do Ethiopian Americans excel & surpass the average American household?

Why do Nigerian Americans have similar success?

Why do middle class African American students in the Cleveland suburb of Shaker Heights score substantially below their white counterparts?

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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movielover said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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bear2034 said:

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And why is there so much focus on race and no national conversation about broken families when statistics show white and black kids both fare better when they grow up with two parents?

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And why do you have no answers for preventing broken families? Give us a workable plan.

Oh, wait, I'm asking a Republican for a plan to fix the country's ills. That's a waste of time.

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Democrat big government social policies destroyed traditional Black families - families that survived slavery and Jim Crow - and now you want country club Republicans to fix the devastation?

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Bear2034 is a country club Republican?

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I am your country club Republican, Russian bot, fascist, super black lesbian.

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Reparations in the form of help for the black community, businesses, schools, etc., I can see potentially being effective.

Direct payments to the descendants of slaves? If we could have done that during Reconstruction, immediately following the war, then sure. Doing it now seems logistically impossible. There are plenty of white people in this country who are descended from slaves and black people who aren't. How do you figure out who gets what?

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And how would we figure out who pays what?

Extra tax for the party of the KKK - DemoKrats.

So the republicans don't/didnt benefit or deal with/live with the negagivity from these things.
If they are not complicit to these things listed below they would be pushing agenda for Reparations as a top priority.
America has to atone for her wrong doings past and present Pay the debt owed. If not things will continue to go downward

That is pretty much the litmus test (you don't get to define those parameters)

That's why we've spent Trillions on the so-called War on Poverty for decades. Trillions. There is a thriving black middle and upper class. Could civil rights leaders even fathom dozens and dozens of black billionaires?

Nevertheless, the 'black underclass' has been devastated by liberal policies. You seem to ignore that. No Father's, stressed Moms, numerous social ills and violence continue.

All the while, new voluntary immigrants come in from poor countrues with limited job skills, create businesses, start families, use government services, and succeed. It's clear 100% handouts don't work and in many cases are counter productive.

On top of this, Globalists want to ship more blue collar jobs overseas, and import tens of Millions more illegal immigrants into urban areas, usurping black citizens. Oakland is one example, now a Latino city.

Decades ago liberal icon Barbara Jordan studied the issue, and her group suggested a five year MORATORIUM on all immigration to allow poor Americans to 'catch up'. That never happened, we add a million new legal immigrants a year, and we've added 35-50 million new illegal immigrants. (8-10 million the past 3 years alone.)

What's the difference between liberal and conservative and ws policy ?

Recent podcast "Uncounted Millions" is pretty interesting, and frustrating at the same time.

It begins with a telling of the Gabriel Coakley family through the generations.
Coakley was a free black man in DC before emancipation. He had an oyster business and saved up enough money to buy a number of relatives who were enslaved.

When DC passed a law the pay slave owners "reparations", cash amounts, for the required freeing of their slaves, Gabriel decided to apply. Of course, his purchase of his people essentially meant they were free already! But since whites were getting this slaveowner reparations money, he figured he could, too. AND HE DID.

The podcast story continues to share how this set the Coakley family up for success, generation after generation. Coakleys were university educated, doctors…prosperous.

The posit of such story telling is the illustrate how generational wealth occurs, and leads the audience to wonder what might have been for ALL of America's blacks had they not been kept us under for so long, had they been able to establish a beachhead of prosperity like the Coakleys experienced.

This is, indeed, a well told story. And it's an intriguing thought, to be sure!
Generational wealth does not mean just financial wealth. Families enjoy wealth of people: the culture, the intellectual. The norms of how to live a successful life get passed down and layer upon one another.

Sadly, slavery broke that process up, and Jim Crow segregation type laws continued it.


The podcast then discusses reparations that were paid by USA to both native Americans and to Japanese who were interred in camps during ww2.
Understood.

But I say the podcast is frustrating because I'm waiting and waiting for my questions:

Are you proposing that all blacks receive some form of reparation? Or only those descended from slaves?

What about blacks who came to USA post slavery?

How are you going to determine who qualifies?

What about mixed race people (few slaves in background) vs those 100% descended from?

Tired of waiting, I went searching for answers, and found some here:



https://calmatters.org/explainers/reparations-california/

DiabloWags said:

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Some people wake up every day of their life playing the VICTIM.
What a sad way to go through life.


Steele believes that the use of victimization is the greatest hindrance for black Americans. In his view, white Americans see blacks as victims to ease their guilty conscience, and blacks attempt to turn their status as victims into a kind of currency that will purchase nothing of real or lasting value. Therefore, he claims, blacks must stop "buying into this zero-sum game" by adopting a "culture of excellence and achievement" without relying on "set-asides and entitlements"

Shelby Steele - Wikipedia

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Hearing white guys talk about how black people use victimization to gain equality is laughable. Steele's use of his status as a unicorn(black conservative) to further some conservative ideology reminds me of Clarence Thomas. Yes, the same Clarence Thomas who at one time was all about the black struggle while in college but now is the preeminent unicorn in conservative legal circles. People of color want equality and a fair shot for their kids. If you think that people of color have reached equality then you are WRONG. Things have gotten better but the dream has never been fully realized. Many black families have stories that illustrate the unfair business practices that kept those families on the lower rungs of the economic ladder. Reparations are a way to compensate black families. It is a way to make black families more economically whole after slavery which was the economic engine of this country.

We hold these truths to be self-evident that All Men are created Equally, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

Equality should reflect economic equality. Economic equality denied to those in the past affects future generations.

BearNIt said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Some people wake up every day of their life playing the VICTIM.
What a sad way to go through life.


Steele believes that the use of victimization is the greatest hindrance for black Americans. In his view, white Americans see blacks as victims to ease their guilty conscience, and blacks attempt to turn their status as victims into a kind of currency that will purchase nothing of real or lasting value. Therefore, he claims, blacks must stop "buying into this zero-sum game" by adopting a "culture of excellence and achievement" without relying on "set-asides and entitlements"

Shelby Steele - Wikipedia

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Equality should reflect economic equality. Economic equality denied to those in the past affects future generations.

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If you look back at our history, every single ethnic / racial group other than anglo-saxon faced inequality in economic opportunity. In fact, Asians may have been the most recently and openly discriminated, with Japan (80s) / China (recently) viewed as enemies that engulfed even Americans with Asian heritage.

While I understand that there are different degrees, with slavery much greater impact than relegation of Asians, Jews, Irish, Italian at one time to lowest social rank, with Asians relegated to working the railroad, laundry or slum or encampment / prison. Unless you view one race as the superior race deserving of restitution for past inequality and others innately unworthy of consideration or justice, there should be some calibrated form of restitution for all ethnic groups that faced discrimination on a wholesale basis. Because, based on your theory, all those for whom economic equality was denied in the past are living with the legacy impact that suppressed what they would have accomplished (no matter the level of current accomplishment) had such inequality not existed.

Finding that formula would be difficult.

Wanner Millfin in the 1700's advocated for reparations

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAGdEGBRebC/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

"President Ronald Reagan signed the Civil Liberties Act of 1988 into law, giving tax-free restitution to Japanese internment camp victims. If victims were deceased, their surviving spouses or descendants got the restitution. Reparations are constitutional, legal, and justice!"