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I think I said back when the Republican campaign started that DeSantis lacked charisma and would look worse the more people were exposed to him.

That appears to have been a good prediction.

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It’s so funny that DeSantis agreed to lose a debate to someone he’s not even running against.

— Jon Favreau (@jonfavs) December 1, 2023

And remember, Desantis is one of the smartest Republicans.

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He still is.

He is just a horrible candidate and politician.

Just because I think Hillary was a horrible candidate and politician does not mean I doubt her smarts.

I know you are smart enough to know the difference between being smart and being a good politician.

Elon Musk is one of the smartest men. He would also be a disaster as a candidate for president.

Just because DeSantis flamed out as a Republican candidate and stupidly chose to run to Trump's right instead of more to the center like Haley does not take away the fact that he is smart and most assuredly smarter than perople here. I assume you think you are smart but I also assume you may flame out as a candidate if you ran.

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I agree with you - Desantis really is one of the smartest GOP politicians. He's a towering intellectual compared to many of national prominence. The problem is that the GOP platform is built for dum dums.

Daniel Horowitz of Blaze Media on the prospects of future Republican candidates, "We have a movement of [censored] that all have an IQ below 80."
Steve Deace of BlazeTV goes on to admit the issues they earn money from are also what is causing them to lose.pic.twitter.com/mRiGTbEX8X

— ChudsOfTikTok 🐀 (@ChudsOfTikTok) November 30, 2023

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As opposed to the geniuses on the left who thinks supporting Hamas, taking the sting away from Musk by having places like UC Bekerley unwelcoming for the Jewish community, using terms like Socialism when they don't really mean it, promoting Defund the Police when crime and safety are one of the key items, giving more money when people were putting prior payments in savings and were dying to spend in the face of unprecendented supply chain constraints, saying inflation is transitory despite every other inflation being sticky, putting Biden with all his baggage as the candidate when he may be the only potential candidate other than Harris who could lose to the dangerous Trump, and keeping Menendez in the senate while promoting (rightfully) the expulsion of Santos.

Let's cut to the chase. Do you think you are smarter, on a holistic and objective (as opposed to narrow,, incident by incident basis) than DeSantis? Forget your glib comments on putting down the Republican party (which is deserving of mockery like the Democratic party). And writing glib comments in a forum full of winners spending hours on a football OT forum trying to make themselves feel superior debating the same **** year after year is not defacto proof of superior intelligence.

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You got me 93. I'm running for president and my intelligence is relevant to the 2024 election. I'm smart enough to understand relevance.

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So, do you think Hillary is not smart because she ran for president and ran a horrible campaign and lost to a loser like Trump? Asking since you are smart enough to understand the relevance.

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I'm smart enough to know how your December 1 re-engagement with OT will end. Would you like me to tell you or have you figured it out yet?

Hillary is smart. She came across as smart in debates and was a credible candidate. She made some boneheaded mistakes as well.

But I'm going to go one step further because I think I have to slow it down in order for you to actually understand the point here.

Desantis is smart. He's smarter than Gavin. I've never claimed otherwise. But the problem is that Desantis is operating a game plan that is predicated on and designed for dum dums, since that's what the GOP has become. So Gavin, a less smart person than Desantis, was able to easily defeat Desantis in a debate (putting it mildly) because Ron is trying to sell a loser of a platform to dumb people. Desantis may very well be capable of having a sophisticated policy debate beyond what Gavin could handle, but that would make Desantis lose even more badly to Trump and other GOPers and thus it will never happen.

You're a smart guy but you keep coming back here apparently oblivious to what happens to you when you do. How long before you ball up your fists in anger and run away again? A day, a week or more?

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I'm sure that DeSantis is smart compared to the average person on the street (you know, the Jay Leno interviews and all... ). But what has he done/said in the past few years that would indicate that he is really smart? I think people who say he is smart are just going by what he did in his college years. And, okay, judging smarts, that is a point in his favor. But he sort of reminds me of the five-star recruit who, for whatever reason, can't play all that well in college. Got overrated.

Is DeSantis "smarter than Gavin" because Newsom has dyslexia and "only" graduated from Santa Clara? When I listen to the two men talk, I am not at all thinking that DeSantis is smarter. Part of this might be my political bias, but I see plenty of smart people right of center and plenty of dumb ones who are left of center, so maybe it's more than that.

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I think you narrow it that much, smart people can seem dumb. If you narrow it down to smarts in recognizing football plays, Elon Musk can seem like an idiot.

He turned Florida red. He won an election as a governor in one of the largest state. On top of that, he had a reputation of being one of the smartest litigators when he was in the military and in private practice, started a business, etc. He also went to Yale without all of the privileges, and went to Harvard law school.

What is your standard for smart? And if the standard is so high, who here has accomplished more to demonstrate "smarts"? And what has Hillary done the last couple of years? Did she suddenly not remain smart?

Just don't understand the standards and why people would argue that. Is he a horrible candidate? Absolutely. Would I vote for him? No. He ran to the right of Trump. Who does that? That was a stupid move. And smart people can do stupid things all the time.

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I think I said back when the Republican campaign started that DeSantis lacked charisma and would look worse the more people were exposed to him.

That appears to have been a good prediction.

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It’s so funny that DeSantis agreed to lose a debate to someone he’s not even running against.

— Jon Favreau (@jonfavs) December 1, 2023

And remember, Desantis is one of the smartest Republicans.

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He still is.

He is just a horrible candidate and politician.

Just because I think Hillary was a horrible candidate and politician does not mean I doubt her smarts.

I know you are smart enough to know the difference between being smart and being a good politician.

Elon Musk is one of the smartest men. He would also be a disaster as a candidate for president.

Just because DeSantis flamed out as a Republican candidate and stupidly chose to run to Trump's right instead of more to the center like Haley does not take away the fact that he is smart and most assuredly smarter than perople here. I assume you think you are smart but I also assume you may flame out as a candidate if you ran.

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I agree with you - Desantis really is one of the smartest GOP politicians. He's a towering intellectual compared to many of national prominence. The problem is that the GOP platform is built for dum dums.

Daniel Horowitz of Blaze Media on the prospects of future Republican candidates, "We have a movement of [censored] that all have an IQ below 80."
Steve Deace of BlazeTV goes on to admit the issues they earn money from are also what is causing them to lose.pic.twitter.com/mRiGTbEX8X

— ChudsOfTikTok 🐀 (@ChudsOfTikTok) November 30, 2023

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As opposed to the geniuses on the left who thinks supporting Hamas, taking the sting away from Musk by having places like UC Bekerley unwelcoming for the Jewish community, using terms like Socialism when they don't really mean it, promoting Defund the Police when crime and safety are one of the key items, giving more money when people were putting prior payments in savings and were dying to spend in the face of unprecendented supply chain constraints, saying inflation is transitory despite every other inflation being sticky, putting Biden with all his baggage as the candidate when he may be the only potential candidate other than Harris who could lose to the dangerous Trump, and keeping Menendez in the senate while promoting (rightfully) the expulsion of Santos.

Let's cut to the chase. Do you think you are smarter, on a holistic and objective (as opposed to narrow,, incident by incident basis) than DeSantis? Forget your glib comments on putting down the Republican party (which is deserving of mockery like the Democratic party). And writing glib comments in a forum full of winners spending hours on a football OT forum trying to make themselves feel superior debating the same **** year after year is not defacto proof of superior intelligence.

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You got me 93. I'm running for president and my intelligence is relevant to the 2024 election. I'm smart enough to understand relevance.

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So, do you think Hillary is not smart because she ran for president and ran a horrible campaign and lost to a loser like Trump? Asking since you are smart enough to understand the relevance.

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I'm smart enough to know how your December 1 re-engagement with OT will end. Would you like me to tell you or have you figured it out yet?

Hillary is smart. She came across as smart in debates and was a credible candidate. She made some boneheaded mistakes as well.

But I'm going to go one step further because I think I have to slow it down in order for you to actually understand the point here.

Desantis is smart. He's smarter than Gavin. I've never claimed otherwise. But the problem is that Desantis is operating a game plan that is predicated on and designed for dum dums, since that's what the GOP has become. So Gavin, a less smart person than Desantis, was able to easily defeat Desantis in a debate (putting it mildly) because Ron is trying to sell a loser of a platform to dumb people. Desantis may very well be capable of having a sophisticated policy debate beyond what Gavin could handle, but that would make Desantis lose even more badly to Trump and other GOPers and thus it will never happen.

You're a smart guy but you keep coming back here apparently oblivious to what happens to you when you do. How long before you ball up your fists in anger and run away again? A day, a week or more?

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I'm sure that DeSantis is smart compared to the average person on the street (you know, the Jay Leno interviews and all... ). But what has he done/said in the past few years that would indicate that he is really smart? I think people who say he is smart are just going by what he did in his college years. And, okay, judging smarts, that is a point in his favor. But he sort of reminds me of the five-star recruit who, for whatever reason, can't play all that well in college. Got overrated.

Is DeSantis "smarter than Gavin" because Newsom has dyslexia and "only" graduated from Santa Clara? When I listen to the two men talk, I am not at all thinking that DeSantis is smarter. Part of this might be my political bias, but I see plenty of smart people right of center and plenty of dumb ones who are left of center, so maybe it's more than that.

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What you are saying is an unforgivable insult to everyone who ever set foot on an Ivy league campus.

Any minute now you will be receiving an invitation to pistols at dawn.

But seriously, while it's clear that Desantis has made some massive miscalculations and overplayed his hand numerous times (Disney, anyone?), he still comes across as one of the smartest GOP politicians. He and his team have cleverly managed to implement his brand of fascism on the state of Florida and its residents and has been far more effective at it than just about any other GOP governor.

I honestly think he's like one of those androids in a movie who has a system malfunction when facing conflicting directives. His team is telling him to be likable and smile (hence, his often ridiculed creepy smile), while appealing to joe 6 pack (small words, focus on culture wars), etc. What we are seeing in public appearances is a show - albeit a terribly performing one - but I doubt it reflects what he's like behind closed doors. Except for when he eats pudding with his fingers, that seems like something he probably does in private also.

In football terms, it would be like asking Peyton Manning run a triple option. Not only is it a terrible idea in 2023, it's impossible for Peyton to perform in that system. The problem for Desantis (and the GOP as a whole), is that they're asking Peyton to win in a league that has outlawed the forward pass. Desantis never had a chance and I guess they need dumb non-ivy league schmucks like us to explain it to them.

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I think I said back when the Republican campaign started that DeSantis lacked charisma and would look worse the more people were exposed to him.

That appears to have been a good prediction.

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It’s so funny that DeSantis agreed to lose a debate to someone he’s not even running against.

— Jon Favreau (@jonfavs) December 1, 2023

And remember, Desantis is one of the smartest Republicans.

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He still is.

He is just a horrible candidate and politician.

Just because I think Hillary was a horrible candidate and politician does not mean I doubt her smarts.

I know you are smart enough to know the difference between being smart and being a good politician.

Elon Musk is one of the smartest men. He would also be a disaster as a candidate for president.

Just because DeSantis flamed out as a Republican candidate and stupidly chose to run to Trump's right instead of more to the center like Haley does not take away the fact that he is smart and most assuredly smarter than perople here. I assume you think you are smart but I also assume you may flame out as a candidate if you ran.

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I agree with you - Desantis really is one of the smartest GOP politicians. He's a towering intellectual compared to many of national prominence. The problem is that the GOP platform is built for dum dums.

Daniel Horowitz of Blaze Media on the prospects of future Republican candidates, "We have a movement of [censored] that all have an IQ below 80."
Steve Deace of BlazeTV goes on to admit the issues they earn money from are also what is causing them to lose.pic.twitter.com/mRiGTbEX8X

— ChudsOfTikTok 🐀 (@ChudsOfTikTok) November 30, 2023

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As opposed to the geniuses on the left who thinks supporting Hamas, taking the sting away from Musk by having places like UC Bekerley unwelcoming for the Jewish community, using terms like Socialism when they don't really mean it, promoting Defund the Police when crime and safety are one of the key items, giving more money when people were putting prior payments in savings and were dying to spend in the face of unprecendented supply chain constraints, saying inflation is transitory despite every other inflation being sticky, putting Biden with all his baggage as the candidate when he may be the only potential candidate other than Harris who could lose to the dangerous Trump, and keeping Menendez in the senate while promoting (rightfully) the expulsion of Santos.

Let's cut to the chase. Do you think you are smarter, on a holistic and objective (as opposed to narrow,, incident by incident basis) than DeSantis? Forget your glib comments on putting down the Republican party (which is deserving of mockery like the Democratic party). And writing glib comments in a forum full of winners spending hours on a football OT forum trying to make themselves feel superior debating the same **** year after year is not defacto proof of superior intelligence.

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You got me 93. I'm running for president and my intelligence is relevant to the 2024 election. I'm smart enough to understand relevance.

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So, do you think Hillary is not smart because she ran for president and ran a horrible campaign and lost to a loser like Trump? Asking since you are smart enough to understand the relevance.

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I'm smart enough to know how your December 1 re-engagement with OT will end. Would you like me to tell you or have you figured it out yet?

Hillary is smart. She came across as smart in debates and was a credible candidate. She made some boneheaded mistakes as well.

But I'm going to go one step further because I think I have to slow it down in order for you to actually understand the point here.

Desantis is smart. He's smarter than Gavin. I've never claimed otherwise. But the problem is that Desantis is operating a game plan that is predicated on and designed for dum dums, since that's what the GOP has become. So Gavin, a less smart person than Desantis, was able to easily defeat Desantis in a debate (putting it mildly) because Ron is trying to sell a loser of a platform to dumb people. Desantis may very well be capable of having a sophisticated policy debate beyond what Gavin could handle, but that would make Desantis lose even more badly to Trump and other GOPers and thus it will never happen.

You're a smart guy but you keep coming back here apparently oblivious to what happens to you when you do. How long before you ball up your fists in anger and run away again? A day, a week or more?

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I'm sure that DeSantis is smart compared to the average person on the street (you know, the Jay Leno interviews and all... ). But what has he done/said in the past few years that would indicate that he is really smart? I think people who say he is smart are just going by what he did in his college years. And, okay, judging smarts, that is a point in his favor. But he sort of reminds me of the five-star recruit who, for whatever reason, can't play all that well in college. Got overrated.

Is DeSantis "smarter than Gavin" because Newsom has dyslexia and "only" graduated from Santa Clara? When I listen to the two men talk, I am not at all thinking that DeSantis is smarter. Part of this might be my political bias, but I see plenty of smart people right of center and plenty of dumb ones who are left of center, so maybe it's more than that.

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DeSantis has probably risen to the level of his incompetence. Winning and maintaining popularity as governor of Florida is no small feat. But he's finding that his act doesn't play nationally. Not the first guy to have that happen.

In Gavin Newsom's California, kids have a great opportunity to learn about gender queer studies at an early age.

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In Gavin Newsom's California, kids have a great opportunity to learn about gender queer studies at an early age.

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Oh ok.

Desantis' performance was such a disaster that his super PAC chairman (his good friend and former roommate) quit.

NEW: A day after Ron DeSantis debated Gavin Newsom on Fox, he suffered another brutal loss: the primary super PAC supporting DeSantis had its second major departure in two weeks. Adam Laxalt, a friend and former roommate of DeSantis, announced that he was stepping down as… pic.twitter.com/bPIefyXlow

— Jon Cooper (@joncoopertweets) December 1, 2023

Alleged Governor Ron DeSantis did so well in the debate last night that today the chairman of his "Never Back Down" PAC, Adam Laxalt, resigned. (*snrk*)

Like TFG and Kari Lake, just keep claiming victory, little guy.

(Maybe those boots weren't made for running?) pic.twitter.com/LB4ht0p54B

— Dean Gloster (@deangloster) December 2, 2023

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Without proof of what is true or false with regard to what each is spouting, the entire exercise is futile.

And there will never be any agreement regarding what the truth is since all fact checking organizations are called liars.

DeSantis continually screaming "That's a lie! He's lying! Liar!" is a very poor debating technique. It has a real 10 year old on the playground vibe.

*Boy, that $700M settlement Fox News agreed to have really dried up advertising money. Every other commercial is some Evangelical pitch of one kind or another.

*Gavin is basically in the position of debating Hannity and DeSantis.

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Absolutely. No set of mutually-agreed-upon facts. Oy!

100%. DeSantis: "That's a lie!!" Translation: " How DARE you expose MY lie!!"

Yep. 10-year-old stuff. Very Presidential. ;-)

This is the problem that Fox, MSNBC, CNN, and PBS have. Most of their viewers are 60+, but the "target demographic" for advertisers & ratings is 18-55. These cable news shows are toast. As Bob Iger said, "The age of linear TV [i.e., cable -- and huge monthly cable fees] is over."

MSDNC will corral the biggest share of corporate ads, but they just demoted Mehdi Hasan, one of their most popular hosts, because he would actually challenge guests on their lies & controversial positions. Viewers like that, but guests, not so much.

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Just to be clear: There are 2 target demographics.

For entertainment shows, it's 18-49.

For news shows, it's 25-54.

So while total viewership is great for bragging rights, advertisers care about the demo audience.

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Gee, at 55 I see I've just transitioned out of the target range for advertisers.

But after visiting my 79 year old mother, I now understand who target range I'm moving into: telemarketers, scammers and digital thieves.
Her phone never stops ringing.
She gets tricked by random texts that pop up.
And she can't remember what I've told her to ignore or do to stop the attempts on her mental frailty.

That's said with both humor and dead seriousness! We need societal solutions and protections for this sort of thing!!!

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Without proof of what is true or false with regard to what each is spouting, the entire exercise is futile.

And there will never be any agreement regarding what the truth is since all fact checking organizations are called liars.

DeSantis continually screaming "That's a lie! He's lying! Liar!" is a very poor debating technique. It has a real 10 year old on the playground vibe.

*Boy, that $700M settlement Fox News agreed to has really dried up advertising money. Every other commercial is some Evangelical pitch of one kind or another.

*Gavin is basically in the position of debating Hannity and DeSantis.

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I listened yesterday.
I fast forwarded through the commercials so didn't catch that observation of yours.

The event was pretty much unlistenable after 5 minutes when they both were interrupting and talking over one another. Also when I saw that the questions were so slanted, including Fox preplanned graphics, to lamely tell the audience that Florida is great and California sucks.

Though, I *did* appreciate DeSantis admitting how incredibly rich California is with natural resources and beauty and how everyone who visits is blown away by it. Let's be clear! The *only* reason people leave is they feel they can't afford it. So they become jealous and rip on our state to make themselves feel better. I see it in my cousins all the time. And in young couples raising kids who cash out of their CA homes in search of a perceived greater economic opportunity elsewhere (Idaho, Montana, Tennessee…).

I thought Ron did better than I expected. His much discussed stage smile was better than his angry frown and the first time I'd seen him smile at all. Better than nothing!

Also, Ron's interruptions did have an affect on Newsom. Attack dog style was dickish, but stopped Gavin from getting on a role of convincing intellectual charm.

As for Newsom, I was disappointed he reciprocated in kind with the interruptions and insults. Yo, America is SICK AND TIRED of division!!

One of the most successful recent campaigns was that of Hope and Unity.
Newsom was not that on Thursday night.



Still, I'd vote for Gavin 1000x before Disanus.

Gavin did a really good job in keeping his mouth shut and to not mention the Uyghurs during the Chinese communist dictator's recent visit to the Golden State.

Intelligence is not one dimensional
https://www.threads.net/@joshgad/post/C0ZZe7pr2qF/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

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But seriously, while it's clear that Desantis has made some massive miscalculations and overplayed his hand numerous times (Disney, anyone?)

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Child Grooming Content On X Reduced By 83% After Disney Pulls Ads https://t.co/I5LPB3eVfq pic.twitter.com/6Laa3G516z

— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) December 1, 2023

Holy shit she even said “to change the outcome” of the 2016 election

The exact thing they’ve indicted 20 high-level Republicans for this year https://t.co/vdHOvKRMyr pic.twitter.com/XguHucI076

— Mike Benz (@MikeBenzCyber) December 1, 2023

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But seriously, while it's clear that Desantis has made some massive miscalculations and overplayed his hand numerous times (Disney, anyone?)

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Holy shit she even said “to change the outcome” of the 2016 election

The exact thing they’ve indicted 20 high-level Republicans for this year https://t.co/vdHOvKRMyr pic.twitter.com/XguHucI076

— Mike Benz (@MikeBenzCyber) December 1, 2023

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At least we're showing bipartisan agreement that attempting to overturn the results of an election is wrong. I'll agree that Jennifer Newsome was wrong. Still, there's a big difference between speculating on social media and attempting to storm the Capitol, intimidating Secretaries of State and trying to install alternate panels of state electors. It's a Grand Canyon sized matter of degree.

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But seriously, while it's clear that Desantis has made some massive miscalculations and overplayed his hand numerous times (Disney, anyone?)

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Holy shit she even said “to change the outcome” of the 2016 election

The exact thing they’ve indicted 20 high-level Republicans for this year https://t.co/vdHOvKRMyr pic.twitter.com/XguHucI076

— Mike Benz (@MikeBenzCyber) December 1, 2023

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At least we're showing bipartisan agreement that attempting to overturn the results of an election is wrong. I'll agree that Jennifer Newsome was wrong. Still, there's a big difference between speculating on social media and attempting to storm the Capitol, intimidating Secretaries of State and trying to install alternate panels of state electors. It's a Grand Canyon sized matter of degree.

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You guys don't seem to understand the U.S. Constitution. Jennifer Newsom wasn't trying to deny the election, she was trying to influence the election. The Electoral College is the election and by the Constitution they can vote for whom they want. Some would argue it's the purpose of the Electoral College to make judgments about people like Trump. It's not the early November votes by the people who decide who is President. Kind of funny for the tweeter to accuse Jennifer Newsom of destroying democracy when she was advocating for the person who received the most votes from Americans to be the winner. Of course, it isn't up to the American people is it?

If all this sounds stupid to you, I agree. But that's the U.S. Constitution for you.

Personal opinion. Many things bring the far left and the far right together. Sometimes, they are so extreme, they seem to meet at the same spot. From hating Israel to hating the Constitution, hating globalism, hating actual foreign policy, hating minimal government control of behavior (and criminalizing things that pertain to their own personal beliefs irrespective of actual holistic benefit to society), and hating anyone who has achieved more or built more wealth than them and labeling them as "elitist." And people of both extremes who are both just engaging in hateful populism get confused or delusional when they end up meeting members of the other extreme at their policy stand. So they just engage in name calling and tribalism and fool themselves into thinking they are some how morally superior to those standing with them from the other extreme. But politics now seem to be about extremists on both sides as if the rational has been muted by the loudest. Engaging in politics almost seems like getting a quick fix of hate to maintain the raison d'etre. Same movie playing on repeat by the same actors. Seems almost like the only sane thing would be refrain from participating in voting in national elections instead of pretending that sh*t is somehow so much superior to cr*p.

What's the GOP going to do if their constituents ever figure it out?

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The narrow focus on California and Florida made sense in a debate between their two governors. But those comparisons can obscure the bigger story, which is the expanding divergence between all the states in the red and blue sections.

Podhorzer has documented that gap in an array of revealing measures. He divides the nation between states in which Republicans or Democrats usually hold unified control of the governorship and state legislature, and those in which control of state government is usually divided or frequently changes hands. That classification system yields 27 red states, 17 blue states (plus the District of Columbia), and six purple states. By these definitions, the red states account for just under half the population and the blue states just below two-fifths, while the blue states contribute slightly more of the nation's GDP.
Podhorzer's data show that on many key measures, blue states as a group are producing far better outcomes than the red states.

In new results provided exclusively to The Atlantic, Podhorzer calculates that the economic output per capita and the median family income are both now 27 percent higher in the blue section than in the red, while the share of children in poverty is 27 percent higher in the red states. The share of people without health insurance is more than 80 percent higher in the red states than in the blue, as are the rates of teen pregnancy and maternal death in childbirth. The homicide rate across the red states is more than one-third higher than in the blue, and the rate of death from firearms is nearly double in the red. Average life expectancy at birth is now about two and a half years higher in the blue states. On most of these measures, the purple states fall between red and blue.


(Podhorzer also groups the states by their voting behavior in federal elections, which results in 24 red-leaning states, 18 blue ones, and eight purple states. But the comparisons between the two big sections don't change much under that definition.)

On most of these measures, Podhorzer calculates, the gap between the red and blue states has widened over the past 15 years. He attributes the expansion mostly to the kind of policy differences that DeSantis and Newsom debated. The difference in health outcomes, for instance, is rooted in disparities such as the continuing refusal of 10 red states, including Florida, to expand Medicaid eligibility under the Affordable Care Act (which every blue state has done). As other economic analysts have noted, with their higher concentrations of college graduates, blue statesand the large blue metropolitan areas of red statesare benefiting the most from the nation's transition into an information-age economy.

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The Red States are an anchor around the neck of the Blue States pulling us down into the abyss. If tRump wins maybe we should revisit secession talk and start erecting internal walls. I'll contribute to the fund.

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Newsom: "When are you going to drop out of the race and give Nikki Haley a shot?"

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If any other candidate refused to say "slavery" and glorified the Civil War this way, CNN would have declared a national racism emergency.

But because DC elites are so desperate for Nikki Haley, watch CNN blame the voter for asking, then say her imperfect answer doesn't matter: https://t.co/fgnoruuO3u

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) December 28, 2023

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Newsom: "When are you going to drop out of the race and give Nikki Haley a shot?"

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If any other candidate refused to say "slavery" and glorified the Civil War this way, CNN would have declared a national racism emergency.

But because DC elites are so desperate for Nikki Haley, watch CNN blame the voter for asking, then say her imperfect answer doesn't matter: https://t.co/fgnoruuO3u

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) December 28, 2023

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Newsom is a DC elite?