Every board is the Trump board.
Rent free.

Zippergate said:

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I think you are confused about the meaning of the word "you." I never said any of those things. But this is how leftists operate. They take the most absurd one-off take from anyone they can find on the right and pretend that everyone on the right holds those beliefs.

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LOL. You think the right hasn't also been doing this for years? This has been the standard of dialog on internet message boards since their inception. It probably goes back many decades in other forms of discussion.

Every other thread has to descend into full-blown TDS on page 2 once Tom gets going...

Cal88 said:

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Every other thread has to descend into full-blown TDS on page 2 once Tom gets going...

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I can think of an excellent solution to this problem!!! Have I mentioned it before???

concordtom said:

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Cal88 said:

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I'd rather pay for this gentleman's student loan than for the next multi-billion tranche of Israeli bombs...

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I agree.

Now, if you had to fund one of, which?
Ukraine or Israel??

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Ukraine, but only humanitarian aid.

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So, you'd let Putin take over Ukraine, and you'd send them food to make sure the subjects were unharmed while doing so.

Interesting.

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You have no idea what is really going on in Ukraine. The war was unnecessary, provoked by NATO intervention and a decade of interference into Ukrainian politics. The war has been a one-sided slaughter and needs to be stopped, not fed. The outcome is not in doubt.

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You have no idea what is really going on in Ukraine.

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Russia is invading and taking over Ukraine.
Yes or No?

concordtom said:

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Cal88 said:

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You have no idea what is really going on in Ukraine.

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Russia is invading and taking over Ukraine.
Yes or No?

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Yes.

And NATO created the conditions that precipitated their decision to invade.

Cal88 said:

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concordtom said:

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Cal88 said:

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You have no idea what is really going on in Ukraine.

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Russia is invading and taking over Ukraine.
Yes or No?

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Yes.

And NATO created the conditions that precipitated their decision to invade.

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So, then it's the US's fault and that should permit Putin to invade?

Do I have that right?

"Ukrainians, the US F'd up, so you must be taken over by Russia!"

concordtom said:

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Cal88 said:

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concordtom said:

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Cal88 said:

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You have no idea what is really going on in Ukraine.

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Russia is invading and taking over Ukraine.
Yes or No?

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Yes.

And NATO created the conditions that precipitated their decision to invade.

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So, then it's the US's fault and that should permit Putin to invade?

Do I have that right?

"Ukrainians, the US F'd up, so you must be taken over by Russia!"

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Ukraine could have made peace with Russia two years ago, instead of aligning themselves with the US War-hawks.

concordtom said:

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Cal88 said:

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concordtom said:

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Cal88 said:

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You have no idea what is really going on in Ukraine.

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Russia is invading and taking over Ukraine.
Yes or No?

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Yes.

And NATO created the conditions that precipitated their decision to invade.

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So, then it's the US's fault and that should permit Putin to invade?

Do I have that right?

"Ukrainians, the US F'd up, so you must be taken over by Russia!"

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The US government actively funded and promoted 1930s Galician/western Ukrainian nationalism in the post-Soviet era in order to destabilize Russia, operation culminating in the Maidan color revolution in 2014 that overthrew Ukraine's democratically-elected government. This started even before the fall of the USSR, with the US and Canada harboring former Ukrainian SS leaders like Andriy Melnyk or Yaroslav Stetsko, who took over OUN leadership from Stepan Bandera after the latter's death.



This is but one of many dozens of regime change operations across the world conducted by US intel agencies. The main goal of the Ukraine operation was not carried out of benevolence towards that country, but more specifically to destabilize and ultimately dismember Russia, and finish the job that was almost accomplished under Boris Yeltsin in the 1990s. That is the reason US/NATO scuttled several key opportunities to avoid or stop the war, from the Minsk Agreements to the Istanbul peace treaty in '22.

If you want to learn more about this, and go beyond simplistic yes or no questions, Zbigniew Brzezinski's Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives (1997) would be a good place to start.

oski003 said:

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concordtom said:

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Cal88 said:

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concordtom said:

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Cal88 said:

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You have no idea what is really going on in Ukraine.

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Russia is invading and taking over Ukraine.
Yes or No?

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Yes.

And NATO created the conditions that precipitated their decision to invade.

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So, then it's the US's fault and that should permit Putin to invade?

Do I have that right?

"Ukrainians, the US F'd up, so you must be taken over by Russia!"

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Ukraine could have made peace with Russia two years ago, instead of aligning themselves with the US War-hawks.

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Peace with?
You mean, before the Russians invaded? Like, when? When there already WAS peace but the Russians had their armies all lined up on the border?

What would this "Peace Deal" you speak of have encompassed?

concordtom said:

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oski003 said:

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concordtom said:

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Cal88 said:

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concordtom said:

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Cal88 said:

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You have no idea what is really going on in Ukraine.

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Russia is invading and taking over Ukraine.
Yes or No?

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Yes.

And NATO created the conditions that precipitated their decision to invade.

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So, then it's the US's fault and that should permit Putin to invade?

Do I have that right?

"Ukrainians, the US F'd up, so you must be taken over by Russia!"

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Ukraine could have made peace with Russia two years ago, instead of aligning themselves with the US War-hawks.

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Peace with?
You mean, before the Russians invaded? Like, when? When there already WAS peace but the Russians had their armies all lined up on the border?

What would this "Peace Deal" you speak of have encompassed?

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Although they could have "made peace" with Russia by respecting their wishes prior to Russia invading (as opposed to attacking the Dombass and massing a NATO provisioned army to attack Crimea), I am specifically referring to making peace after Russia's invasion, which likely entailed recognizing Crimea as Russia, Dombass as an independent buffer state, and Ukraine agreeing not to join NATO.

oski003 said:

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concordtom said:

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oski003 said:

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concordtom said:

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Cal88 said:

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concordtom said:

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Cal88 said:

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You have no idea what is really going on in Ukraine.

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Russia is invading and taking over Ukraine.
Yes or No?

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Yes.

And NATO created the conditions that precipitated their decision to invade.

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So, then it's the US's fault and that should permit Putin to invade?

Do I have that right?

"Ukrainians, the US F'd up, so you must be taken over by Russia!"

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Ukraine could have made peace with Russia two years ago, instead of aligning themselves with the US War-hawks.

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Peace with?
You mean, before the Russians invaded? Like, when? When there already WAS peace but the Russians had their armies all lined up on the border?

What would this "Peace Deal" you speak of have encompassed?

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Although they could have "made peace" with Russia by respecting their wishes prior to Russia invading (as opposed to attacking the Dombass and massing a NATO provisioned army to attack Crimea), I am specifically referring to making peace after Russia's invasion, which likely entailed recognizing Crimea as Russia, Dombass as an independent buffer state, and Ukraine agreeing not to join NATO.

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Russian army was advancing to Kiev.
You think they'd have stopped with a verbal or a piece of paper?

concordtom said:

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oski003 said:

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concordtom said:

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oski003 said:

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concordtom said:

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Cal88 said:

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concordtom said:

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Cal88 said:

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You have no idea what is really going on in Ukraine.

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Russia is invading and taking over Ukraine.
Yes or No?

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Yes.

And NATO created the conditions that precipitated their decision to invade.

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So, then it's the US's fault and that should permit Putin to invade?

Do I have that right?

"Ukrainians, the US F'd up, so you must be taken over by Russia!"

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Ukraine could have made peace with Russia two years ago, instead of aligning themselves with the US War-hawks.

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Peace with?
You mean, before the Russians invaded? Like, when? When there already WAS peace but the Russians had their armies all lined up on the border?

What would this "Peace Deal" you speak of have encompassed?

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Although they could have "made peace" with Russia by respecting their wishes prior to Russia invading (as opposed to attacking the Dombass and massing a NATO provisioned army to attack Crimea), I am specifically referring to making peace after Russia's invasion, which likely entailed recognizing Crimea as Russia, Dombass as an independent buffer state, and Ukraine agreeing not to join NATO.

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Russian army was advancing to Kiev.
You think they'd have stopped with a verbal or a piece of paper?

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The opportunities for peace were before the Russian Army advanced to Kiev and after they were stopped. Why are you hyper focused on this tiny time period where Russia was advancing on Kiev when this war has gone on for more than two years? That's silly.

Tony Heller's response to the original post of this thread:

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chazzed said:

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And the far-right science deniers are right on cue. Don't be dazzled by their useless graphs and verbose replies; just watch the video which I embedded in my previous reply. Sabine Hossenfelder is a no-nonsense scientist who follows the data.

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She posts videos about covid and trans athletes, her background is in theoretical physics, she's not an earth science/climate expert.

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I see. Scientists and armchair climatologists are only believable if they are climate change deniers.

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That person in particular is not an expert on climate, she is a popular science vulgariser who chimes in on subjects like covid and trans athletes.

When you are presented with bona fide climate scientists, like Judith Curry, who was the head of the Earth Sciences dept at Georgia Tech, or other climate scientists from schools like MIT or Princeton, you will summarily dismiss them if their work runs counter the official climate change doctrine.

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This is why I stopped getting involved in climate change discussions. You point out that Scientists A,B and C said climate change is bunk. I point out that Scientists D through Z disagree. Then you or people like you go "Yeah, but A, B and C!" You've made up your mind to agree with the minority view and nothing I say or point out will change that, so why bother?

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Right, the anthropogenic climate change deniers are extremists. They are the loud fringe element.

concordtom said:

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oski003 said:

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concordtom said:

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oski003 said:

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concordtom said:

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oski003 said:

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concordtom said:

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Cal88 said:

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concordtom said:

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Cal88 said:

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You have no idea what is really going on in Ukraine.

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Russia is invading and taking over Ukraine.
Yes or No?

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Yes.

And NATO created the conditions that precipitated their decision to invade.

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So, then it's the US's fault and that should permit Putin to invade?

Do I have that right?

"Ukrainians, the US F'd up, so you must be taken over by Russia!"

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Ukraine could have made peace with Russia two years ago, instead of aligning themselves with the US War-hawks.

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Peace with?
You mean, before the Russians invaded? Like, when? When there already WAS peace but the Russians had their armies all lined up on the border?

What would this "Peace Deal" you speak of have encompassed?

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Although they could have "made peace" with Russia by respecting their wishes prior to Russia invading (as opposed to attacking the Dombass and massing a NATO provisioned army to attack Crimea), I am specifically referring to making peace after Russia's invasion, which likely entailed recognizing Crimea as Russia, Dombass as an independent buffer state, and Ukraine agreeing not to join NATO.

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Russian army was advancing to Kiev.
You think they'd have stopped with a verbal or a piece of paper?

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The opportunities for peace were before the Russian Army advanced to Kiev and after they were stopped. Why are you hyper focused on this tiny time period where Russia was advancing on Kiev when this war has gone on for more than two years? That's silly.

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Media attention increased after the conflict exploded from a regional issue to a full invasion and nationwide
attack. That obviously brought my focus to the this time period.

I do recall the takeover of Crimea. At first, nobody knew who the little green men were. I did not follow the Donbass or Maiden events.

It doesn't matter whether I followed it before or not, whether anyone objected or not. It's WRONG to attack and takeover another country.

I don't get why you don't seem to agree.

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It is indeed wrong go attack and takeover another country. However, I don't live in idealism land. I live in reality. Russia and Ukraine had some legitimate beef after the US couped Ukraine from pro Russian to pro West government. Given that reality, a NATO trained and fed Ukrainian army preparing to quell dissent in eastern Ukraine and invade Crimea was pissing Russia off. Russia invaded. They largely failed but secured parts of East Ukraine. Ukraine should have made peace with minor concessions instead of believing that NATO would actually support them enough to defeat a much much larger country right next to their border.

https://open.substack.com/pub/robertbryce/p/what-media-wont-tell-you-about-energy-transition?r=aiop6&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

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