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I have been telling my kids for years that for retirement I plan to slowly watch Florida sink under the ocean.

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Do you plan to retire in the year 3000?

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2nd hurricane in a week expected to hit climate change denying Florida. Socialism is real popular in the south right now.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna174153

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It is very basic, when you want to assess whether there is a change in climate patterns such as floods or hurricane activity, you need to look at a broader data set and main patterns over a significant period of time, lest you be prone to sensationalist, emotional manipulation through cognitive biases like the availability, recency, framing and other biases.

This is what the hurricane frequency data shows:






The long-term official hurricane activity frequency data does not show a significant increase in hurricane activity.

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I have been telling my kids for years that for retirement I plan to slowly watch Florida sink under the ocean.

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Do you plan to retire in the year 3000?

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2nd hurricane in a week expected to hit climate change denying Florida. Socialism is real popular in the south right now.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna174153

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my stepbrother and wife just moved last week to Pawleys Island SC in retirement from DC. Joining his sister and her husband who've been there for 10 years already.

I've thought, "what the hell are you thinking!"

You know what I think they're thinking?
I think they are thinking "what does it matter? The place is going to get destroyed eventually one day whether we are there or not, and we maybe have only 10 or 20 years left ourselves, so we might as well enjoy ourselves while we can."


The responsible thing to do, if the nation were planning Long Term, would be to:

1) Cut all global warming activity.
2) Depopulate regions that will (relatively) soon be under water.
3) cleanup and remove all our stuff there, so that when it returns to the sea, we don't have a forever toxic ecosystem.

But what's going to happen instead is that these low lying areas will simply be absorbed in successive catastrophes, people will flee, and it's going to be really ugly - including my brother and sister's homes.

I feel sad for planet earth.
Sometimes I wonder if having 5 kids was a great decision. They see the same things and tell me they aren't having kids. I think that's just horrifying, that people could be so depressed in their outlook for the majesty of the planet that they think to stop the whole process of enjoying and passing it on.

Yet, it's happening globally, not just the impacts of global warming but the decision to not have kids. Or, fewer kids.

The book Empty Planet predicts peak population in 2050.
I don't believe it, but their numbers bear it out.

Lots of complicated stuff to ponder. Especially after the horror show that occurred in the second half at Memorial last night.

"Broader data sets."
Pfft.

What do you have to say about global glacier and ice cap melt?

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Cal88 said:

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dajo9 said:

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I have been telling my kids for years that for retirement I plan to slowly watch Florida sink under the ocean.

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Do you plan to retire in the year 3000?

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2nd hurricane in a week expected to hit climate change denying Florida. Socialism is real popular in the south right now.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna174153

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It is very basic, when you want to assess whether there is a change in climate patterns such as floods or hurricane activity, you need to look at a broader data set and main patterns over a significant period of time, lest you be prone to sensationalist, emotional manipulation through cognitive biases like the availability, recency, framing and other biases.

This is what the hurricane frequency data shows:






The long-term official hurricane activity frequency data does not show a significant increase in hurricane activity.

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Climate change makes hurricanes stronger but less frequent

dajo9 said:

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Cal88 said:

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Cal88 said:

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dajo9 said:

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I have been telling my kids for years that for retirement I plan to slowly watch Florida sink under the ocean.

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Do you plan to retire in the year 3000?

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2nd hurricane in a week expected to hit climate change denying Florida. Socialism is real popular in the south right now.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna174153

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It is very basic, when you want to assess whether there is a change in climate patterns such as floods or hurricane activity, you need to look at a broader data set and main patterns over a significant period of time, lest you be prone to sensationalist, emotional manipulation through cognitive biases like the availability, recency, framing and other biases.

This is what the hurricane frequency data shows:






The long-term official hurricane activity frequency data does not show a significant increase in hurricane activity.

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Climate change makes hurricanes stronger but less frequent

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The historical data, which measures hurricane strength as well as their frequency, doesn't support that.

You are mistaken
https://www.preventionweb.net/news/hurricane-rapid-intensification#:~:text=In%20the%20North%20Atlantic%2C%20the,continued%20warming%20from%20carbon%20pollution.

Cal88 said:

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dajo9 said:

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Cal88 said:

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Cal88 said:

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dajo9 said:

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I have been telling my kids for years that for retirement I plan to slowly watch Florida sink under the ocean.

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Do you plan to retire in the year 3000?

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2nd hurricane in a week expected to hit climate change denying Florida. Socialism is real popular in the south right now.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna174153

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It is very basic, when you want to assess whether there is a change in climate patterns such as floods or hurricane activity, you need to look at a broader data set and main patterns over a significant period of time, lest you be prone to sensationalist, emotional manipulation through cognitive biases like the availability, recency, framing and other biases.

This is what the hurricane frequency data shows:






The long-term official hurricane activity frequency data does not show a significant increase in hurricane activity.

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Climate change makes hurricanes stronger but less frequent

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The historical data, which measures hurricane strength as well as their frequency, doesn't support that.

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It does show a tendency towards stronger hurricanes in the last 20 years. Not every year but most of them.

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Cal88 said:

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dajo9 said:

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I have been telling my kids for years that for retirement I plan to slowly watch Florida sink under the ocean.

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Do you plan to retire in the year 3000?

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2nd hurricane in a week expected to hit climate change denying Florida. Socialism is real popular in the south right now.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna174153

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It is very basic, when you want to assess whether there is a change in climate patterns such as floods or hurricane activity, you need to look at a broader data set and main patterns over a significant period of time, lest you be prone to sensationalist, emotional manipulation through cognitive biases like the availability, recency, framing and other biases.

This is what the hurricane frequency data shows:






The long-term official hurricane activity frequency data does not show a significant increase in hurricane activity.

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Climate change makes hurricanes stronger but less frequent

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The historical data, which measures hurricane strength as well as their frequency, doesn't support that.

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It does show a tendency towards stronger hurricanes in the last 20 years. Not every year but most of them.

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We're getting into Rorschach inkblot territory here, the last 20 years of red bars (strong hurricanes) in the chart above aren't much different from those of the first 20 years (1950-70).

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You are mistaken

https://www.preventionweb.net/news/hurricane-rapid-intensification#:~:text=In%20the%20North%20Atlantic%2C%20the,continued%20warming%20from%20carbon%20pollution.

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No data provided to support their argument of hurricanes becoming more intense as a result of global warming, this boils down to a projection in a UN policy paper.

The reason they don't provide the data is because it would show that their projections aren't being realized.



I was touching upon the concept of cognitive biases in processing or accepting facts, she does a great job of going over it in 2 minutes, the last part where she states that our identity is rigidly linked to a set of beliefs that cannot be easily changed.

pic.twitter.com/XjTHCNw7B5

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) October 6, 2024

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"Broader data sets."
Pfft.

What do you have to say about global glacier and ice cap melt?

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Ice cap melt has been relatively stable the last decades.

Note that the satellite measurements of the polar ice caps started in the colder era of the 1970s, so the baseline that has been typically used as normal was actually the coldest decade in the last 100 years.

The Arctic melt season is almost over, and Arctic sea ice extent is up 24% since 2012. All of the academic predictions of doom from 2012 were typically baseless junk science which I have come to expect from our "finest" universities.#ClimateScam https://t.co/kjLaX1kDCl… pic.twitter.com/27qTrZyJBM

— Tony Heller (@TonyClimate) August 30, 2024

The failure of predictions of the demise of polar bears parallels the failure of predictions of the demise of Arctic sea ice. Neither is happening, yet #ClimateScam professionals continue to shamelessly lie to the public.… https://t.co/ChrtAhLBFm pic.twitter.com/UAoTCpwVQ5

— Tony Heller (@TonyClimate) August 8, 2024

All these "expert" predictions turned out to be wrong:

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dajo9 said:

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Cal88 said:

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dajo9 said:

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I have been telling my kids for years that for retirement I plan to slowly watch Florida sink under the ocean.

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Do you plan to retire in the year 3000?

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2nd hurricane in a week expected to hit climate change denying Florida. Socialism is real popular in the south right now.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna174153

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my stepbrother and wife just moved last week to Pawleys Island SC in retirement from DC. Joining his sister and her husband who've been there for 10 years already.

I've thought, "what the hell are you thinking!"

You know what I think they're thinking?
I think they are thinking "what does it matter? The place is going to get destroyed eventually one day whether we are there or not, and we maybe have only 10 or 20 years left ourselves, so we might as well enjoy ourselves while we can."


The responsible thing to do, if the nation were planning Long Term, would be to:

1) Cut all global warming activity.
2) Depopulate regions that will (relatively) soon be under water.
3) cleanup and remove all our stuff there, so that when it returns to the sea, we don't have a forever toxic ecosystem.

But what's going to happen instead is that these low lying areas will simply be absorbed in successive catastrophes, people will flee, and it's going to be really ugly - including my brother and sister's homes.

I feel sad for planet earth.
Sometimes I wonder if having 5 kids was a great decision. They see the same things and tell me they aren't having kids. I think that's just horrifying, that people could be so depressed in their outlook for the majesty of the planet that they think to stop the whole process of enjoying and passing it on.

Yet, it's happening globally, not just the impacts of global warming but the decision to not have kids. Or, fewer kids.

The book Empty Planet predicts peak population in 2050.
I don't believe it, but their numbers bear it out.

Lots of complicated stuff to ponder. Especially after the horror show that occurred in the second half at Memorial last night.

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Most areas along the south Atlantic seaboard have had at some point over the last century a devastating storm or hurricane, that is a normal geographical condition, here is a map showing every hurricane only in the last 40 years:



The point is, there hasn't been a noticeable increase in hurricane activity, but those events are still happening. People there live with that risk, however the fact that these events are not that frequent locally means that people will put up with that risk.

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I feel sad for planet earth.
Sometimes I wonder if having 5 kids was a great decision. They see the same things and tell me they aren't having kids. I think that's just horrifying, that people could be so depressed in their outlook for the majesty of the planet that they think to stop the whole process of enjoying and passing it on.

Yet, it's happening globally, not just the impacts of global warming but the decision to not have kids. Or, fewer kids.

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The problem here is that the real ecological issues, for example microplastics being part of seawater, the presence of toxic compounds in the food chain etc, these issues have been completely ignored in favor of the constant alarm about global warming induced by CO2 generated from human activity.

The remedy you are advocating here -ceasing human CO2-generating activities- is far deadlier than any alleged impact from that CO2.

Micro plastics inaction has nothing to do with global warming concerns.

Neither is dealt with sufficiently for the exact same reasons. It would cost too much to address, either in terms of money, lifestyle habit, or all the above.

We're doomed.

OFFICIAL HIGHS TODAY
San Francisco 97° (RECORD)
Oakland 100° (RECORD)
San Jose 103° (RECORD)
Redwood City 102° (RECORD)
Santa Rosa 105° (REDORD)
Concord 103°
Napa 102° (RECORD)
Kentfield 102° (RECORD)
Hayward 99°
Livermore 102°
San Rafael 107° (RECORD)

— Drew Tuma (@DrewTumaABC7) October 7, 2024

Wired to Doubt: Why People Fear Vaccines and Climate Change and Mistrust Science - PMC


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8849212/

"uh-oh, nothing to see here, look away" sighned, cal88

"⚠️If the storm stays on the current track, it will be the worst storm to impact the Tampa area in over 100 years." 🚨🚨🚨 https://t.co/9Z7bat5TtN

— Jesse D. Jenkins (@JesseJenkins) October 7, 2024

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Micro plastics inaction has nothing to do with global warming concerns.

Neither is dealt with sufficiently for the exact same reasons. It would cost too much to address, either in terms of money, lifestyle habit, or all the above.

We're doomed.

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The problem of microplastics in the ocean can be solved with less than 1% of what's being spent on curbing CO2 emissions, a large part of this pollution comes from 3rd world coastal locations like the Philippines dumping their trash in the ocean. As well the floating trash concentrating in places like the Sargasso Sea can be harvested by giant barges.

The panic generated around CO2 increase is sucking up all the attention and resources dedicated to the environment.

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"uh-oh, nothing to see here, look away" sighned, cal88

"⚠️If the storm stays on the current track, it will be the worst storm to impact the Tampa area in over 100 years." 🚨🚨🚨 https://t.co/9Z7bat5TtN

— Jesse D. Jenkins (@JesseJenkins) October 7, 2024

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"Biggest hurricane to hit Tampa in 100 years" sounds pretty ominous, until you realize that no hurricane has ever hit Tampa in the last 100 years.

Given this basic fact, the headlines above look deceptive. This headline from another source is a lot more objective:

"Hurricane Milton: First Major Hurricane With Direct Tampa Landfall in 100 Years"
https://www.corelogic.com/intelligence/hurricane-milton-first-direct-landfall-100-years/

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Micro plastics inaction has nothing to do with global warming concerns.

Neither is dealt with sufficiently for the exact same reasons. It would cost too much to address, either in terms of money, lifestyle habit, or all the above.

We're doomed.

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The problem of microplastics in the ocean can be solved with less than 1% of what's being spent on curbing CO2 emissions, a large part of this pollution comes from 3rd world coastal locations like the Philippines dumping their trash in the ocean. As well the floating trash concentrating in places like the Sargasso Sea can be harvested by giant barges.

The panic generated around CO2 increase is sucking up all the attention and resources dedicated to the environment.

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Ten problems.
Blame the first five on the second five.
Interesting strategy.

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You know, I think what's happened here is you've convinced yourself something and dug a trench so deep that you can't exit it, even if the floodwaters come and drown you.

The glacier/ice cap melt is long term and accompanied by data that shows particles encapsulated in the ice which mirrors man's Industrial Revolution activity.

It's not worth debating with you. I will merely play taps on the bugle for you as you drown in your trench of misinformation.

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You haven't done much research on these subjects Tom, you're kind of mired in a doomer emotional interpretation of climate patterns. I can't blame you for this given that it's a zeitgeist that completely permeates modern culture. This episode is a good example of that climate alarmism:

The Gulf of Mexico is so warm that the models couldn't predict how strong Milton has gotten so quickly.

This is not normal. This is a climate emergency. https://t.co/orjzrhB0w5

— Sunrise Movement 🌅 (@sunrisemvmt) October 7, 2024

There is nothing abnormal about hurricane Milton, it has been downgraded to a level 3 storm, and thankfully is going to veer south of Tampa.

The fact is, there is no trend of intensifying hurricane activity on the southeastern seaboard, or globally, as the data posted above indicates.

This is a great book by a French climate historian, originally published in the 1980s back when climate was not politicized, and recently translated to English. It documents changes in climate patterns in France over the last thousand years, using meticulously kept records of crop harvest times, glacier movements, tree growth patterns etc



https://www.amazon.ca/Times-Feast-Famine-History-Climate/dp/B000VB2OFM

https://archive.org/details/timesoffeasttime0000emma/page/n5/mode/2up

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Written by a historian with a scientific sensibility, this book came on the scene before the current vogue for greenhouse gas climate change causality became the orthodoxy. Even so the book doesn't embrace the concepts of current warming or cooling, but rather, tries to get at the facts of historical climate through standard historical tools and resources.

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I have been telling my kids for years that for retirement I plan to slowly watch Florida sink under the ocean.

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Florida is ahead of my retirement schedule

So 6 inches of water on the shores at the Cat. 3 strength hurricane landing point near St. Petersburg, not much to write home about in terms of historical impact, nowhere near what some speculated would happen.

BREAKING: The storm surge for Hurricane Milton is expected to be 15 feet.

To give you an idea of how deadly this is, here's what 9 feet looks like:pic.twitter.com/0SxfrA9XK3 https://t.co/56ZLtpOIbi

— Financelot (@FinanceLancelot) October 8, 2024

She got the wrong St Petersburg.

‼️NEWSFLASH: A Ukrainian witch, who got an "F" in geography, took the responsibility for hurricane Milton. pic.twitter.com/qpqlaIrkyF

— Olga Bazova (@OlgaBazova) October 10, 2024

true confession,, i've been wishing and hoping this week's big blow would erase clearwater florida, since (sorrry) the largest building in town belongs to Tom Cruise's predatory scaming scientology..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Building

How does Scientology injure you, or anyone else?
Honest question.

This is 88, thinking he's smarter than everyone else.

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You know, I think what's happened here is you've convinced yourself something and dug a trench so deep that you can't exit it, even if the floodwaters come and drown you.

The glacier/ice cap melt is long term and accompanied by data that shows particles encapsulated in the ice which mirrors man's Industrial Revolution activity.

It's not worth debating with you. I will merely play taps on the bugle for you as you drown in your trench of misinformation.

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You haven't done much research on these subjects Tom, you're kind of mired in a doomer emotional interpretation of climate patterns. I can't blame you for this given that it's a zeitgeist that completely permeates modern culture.

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What kind of "research" have you done here?

Show your work.

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You know, I think what's happened here is you've convinced yourself something and dug a trench so deep that you can't exit it, even if the floodwaters come and drown you.

The glacier/ice cap melt is long term and accompanied by data that shows particles encapsulated in the ice which mirrors man's Industrial Revolution activity.

It's not worth debating with you. I will merely play taps on the bugle for you as you drown in your trench of misinformation.

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You haven't done much research on these subjects Tom, you're kind of mired in a doomer emotional interpretation of climate patterns. I can't blame you for this given that it's a zeitgeist that completely permeates modern culture.

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88's "research" consists of falsify data to fit his storyline.

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"Falsified data" is official data that goes against your tribally-based alarmist narrative.

If this wasn't the case, it would have been easy for you to refute that data instead of resorting to flimsy personal attacks.

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How does Scientology injure you, or anyone else?
Honest question.

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It's an evil cult, that destroys the lives of those who buy into it.

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Are you talking about Trump's Republican Party???

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You know, I think what's happened here is you've convinced yourself something and dug a trench so deep that you can't exit it, even if the floodwaters come and drown you.

The glacier/ice cap melt is long term and accompanied by data that shows particles encapsulated in the ice which mirrors man's Industrial Revolution activity.

It's not worth debating with you. I will merely play taps on the bugle for you as you drown in your trench of misinformation.

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You haven't done much research on these subjects Tom, you're kind of mired in a doomer emotional interpretation of climate patterns. I can't blame you for this given that it's a zeitgeist that completely permeates modern culture.

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What kind of "research" have you done here?

Show your work.

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Potential responses:

A) no. I don't have to prove anything to you.

B) you state your evidence that man has no impact on global warming.

C) it's okay. We can agree to disagree.

D) melting ice. At high elevations and at polar caps. Ice core data that demonstrate the linkage to mankind activity and ice core data. I've said this 10x and you've not once given a response that addresses it.

….besides, what motivation do scientists have for feeding bogus data to the public about it?

Meanwhile, on the denial side of the fence, where you exist, what motivation is there? Well, we know that! A: everyone TODAY benefits from cheap, readily available current consumption, and the producers get rich.

But the future is F ucked.

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How does Scientology injure you, or anyone else?
Honest question.

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1. It injures all taxpayers because it has a bogus labeling as a religion solely because it drowned the IRS with an avalanche of litigation; and

2. Where is Shelly Miscavige?

* Scientology as a business - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_as_a_business

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I've never had any Scientologist knock on my door, fly commercial planes into my friends' office building below their floor, or tell me I'm going to hell.
The closest I've come to Scientology is watching a commercial for that book by L Ron Hubbard back in the early 80's.

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How does Scientology injure you, or anyone else?
Honest question.

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It's an evil cult, that destroys the lives of those who buy into it.

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^ what cal88 said, this time, nails it. bearister too, as usual.