Part of the problem with putting Republicans in office today is that you don’t know if the stupidity is genuine, performative, or both. But, outside of the racism and the cruelty, it is defining the party and killing our ability to govern. https://t.co/cINeGLa3Rd
— Jason Karsh (@jkarsh) September 19, 2024
SBGold said:
Numbnutz has not heard about solar battery technology. Thankfully I have and have been enjoying the benefits for a couple years now
oski003 said:SBGold said:
Numbnutz has not heard about solar battery technology. Thankfully I have and have been enjoying the benefits for a couple years now
Solar battery tech is still incredibly expensive.
It's come down a lot. If I could afford it at my salary, it's not too badoski003 said:SBGold said:
Numbnutz has not heard about solar battery technology. Thankfully I have and have been enjoying the benefits for a couple years now
Solar battery tech is still incredibly expensive.
going4roses said:oski003 said:SBGold said:
Numbnutz has not heard about solar battery technology. Thankfully I have and have been enjoying the benefits for a couple years now
Solar battery tech is still incredibly expensive.
But destroying the planet is mighty profitable huh so forget about it why would you want to leave a healthy planet to your recessive gene troglodyte offspring , but of course not way too selfish and greedy for that smh
oski003 said:going4roses said:oski003 said:SBGold said:
Numbnutz has not heard about solar battery technology. Thankfully I have and have been enjoying the benefits for a couple years now
Solar battery tech is still incredibly expensive.
But destroying the planet is mighty profitable huh so forget about it why would you want to leave a healthy planet to your recessive gene troglodyte offspring , but of course not way too selfish and greedy for that smh
If there was any truth to your post, I'd be insulted. Please stop blaming everyone else for your problems. Maybe you could better yourself and others if you stopped blaming things on white people?
going4roses said:Part of the problem with putting Republicans in office today is that you don’t know if the stupidity is genuine, performative, or both. But, outside of the racism and the cruelty, it is defining the party and killing our ability to govern. https://t.co/cINeGLa3Rd
— Jason Karsh (@jkarsh) September 19, 2024
SBGold said:do you have offspring? (Please please no)oski003 said:going4roses said:oski003 said:SBGold said:
Numbnutz has not heard about solar battery technology. Thankfully I have and have been enjoying the benefits for a couple years now
Solar battery tech is still incredibly expensive.
But destroying the planet is mighty profitable huh so forget about it why would you want to leave a healthy planet to your recessive gene troglodyte offspring , but of course not way too selfish and greedy for that smh
If there was any truth to your post, I'd be insulted. Please stop blaming everyone else for your problems. Maybe you could better yourself and others if you stopped blaming things on white people?
huzzah for your wife! Kudos that not all your choices are bad.oski003 said:SBGold said:do you have offspring? (Please please no)oski003 said:going4roses said:oski003 said:SBGold said:
Numbnutz has not heard about solar battery technology. Thankfully I have and have been enjoying the benefits for a couple years now
Solar battery tech is still incredibly expensive.
But destroying the planet is mighty profitable huh so forget about it why would you want to leave a healthy planet to your recessive gene troglodyte offspring , but of course not way too selfish and greedy for that smh
If there was any truth to your post, I'd be insulted. Please stop blaming everyone else for your problems. Maybe you could better yourself and others if you stopped blaming things on white people?
Seriously, this is the second insult in response to
"Solar battery tech is still incredibly expensive."
What is wrong with you? My children are great by the way. Believe or not, my wife is a Democrat. Perhaps, that is the secret?
concordtom said:oski003 said:going4roses said:oski003 said:SBGold said:
Numbnutz has not heard about solar battery technology. Thankfully I have and have been enjoying the benefits for a couple years now
Solar battery tech is still incredibly expensive.
But destroying the planet is mighty profitable huh so forget about it why would you want to leave a healthy planet to your recessive gene troglodyte offspring , but of course not way too selfish and greedy for that smh
If there was any truth to your post, I'd be insulted. Please stop blaming everyone else for your problems. Maybe you could better yourself and others if you stopped blaming things on white people?
Leave that to the other thread, please.
He does have a point.oski003 said:going4roses said:oski003 said:SBGold said:
Numbnutz has not heard about solar battery technology. Thankfully I have and have been enjoying the benefits for a couple years now
Solar battery tech is still incredibly expensive.
But destroying the planet is mighty profitable huh so forget about it why would you want to leave a healthy planet to your recessive gene troglodyte offspring , but of course not way too selfish and greedy for that smh
If there was any truth to your post, I'd be insulted. Please stop blaming everyone else for your problems. Maybe you could better yourself and others if you stopped blaming things on white people?
going4roses said:Part of the problem with putting Republicans in office today is that you don’t know if the stupidity is genuine, performative, or both. But, outside of the racism and the cruelty, it is defining the party and killing our ability to govern. https://t.co/cINeGLa3Rd
— Jason Karsh (@jkarsh) September 19, 2024
Chapman_is_Gone said:going4roses said:Part of the problem with putting Republicans in office today is that you don’t know if the stupidity is genuine, performative, or both. But, outside of the racism and the cruelty, it is defining the party and killing our ability to govern. https://t.co/cINeGLa3Rd
— Jason Karsh (@jkarsh) September 19, 2024
Bitter old race-obsessed sad man. Get help.
going4roses said:Chapman_is_Gone said:going4roses said:Part of the problem with putting Republicans in office today is that you don’t know if the stupidity is genuine, performative, or both. But, outside of the racism and the cruelty, it is defining the party and killing our ability to govern. https://t.co/cINeGLa3Rd
— Jason Karsh (@jkarsh) September 19, 2024
Bitter old race-obsessed sad man. Get help.
Still crying huh I didn't mention race at all so once again your white fragility has you lying to those that will listen and condone your overt racism via white depravity.
Old ? What is old to you I'm curious
Cal88 said:going4roses said:Part of the problem with putting Republicans in office today is that you don’t know if the stupidity is genuine, performative, or both. But, outside of the racism and the cruelty, it is defining the party and killing our ability to govern. https://t.co/cINeGLa3Rd
— Jason Karsh (@jkarsh) September 19, 2024
There are some basic problems associated with intermittent energy sources.
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Several types of batteries are being developed and deployed for grid storage, each with its own advantages and applications depending on factors like cost, efficiency, durability, and scalability. Here are some of the main types of batteries being worked on for grid storage:
### 1. **Lithium-Ion Batteries**
- **Description**: The most widely used technology for grid storage today, lithium-ion batteries are commonly found in electric vehicles and small-scale energy storage systems.
- **Advantages**: High energy density, relatively high efficiency (90-95%), and rapid response times.
- **Disadvantages**: Degradation over time, concerns over raw material sourcing (lithium, cobalt), and safety concerns related to thermal runaway.
- **Applications**: Short-term grid stabilization, renewable energy integration, peak shaving.
### 2. **Flow Batteries (e.g., Vanadium Redox Flow Batteries)**
- **Description**: Flow batteries store energy in liquid electrolytes that flow through a membrane. The most common type uses vanadium in different oxidation states.
- **Advantages**: Long lifespan (up to 20 years or more), high cycle life (can withstand many charge-discharge cycles without degradation), scalable by increasing electrolyte tanks.
- **Disadvantages**: Lower energy density than lithium-ion, larger footprint, and higher upfront costs.
- **Applications**: Long-duration energy storage, grid balancing, renewable energy storage (especially for wind and solar).
### 3. **Sodium-Ion Batteries**
- **Description**: Sodium-ion batteries are similar to lithium-ion but use sodium instead of lithium as the primary ion.
- **Advantages**: Sodium is more abundant and less expensive than lithium, with similar chemistry to lithium-ion. They are also more environmentally friendly.
- **Disadvantages**: Lower energy density compared to lithium-ion, which limits their use in space-constrained applications.
- **Applications**: Grid storage where size and weight are less critical but cost is a factor.
### 4. **Solid-State Batteries**
- **Description**: Solid-state batteries replace the liquid electrolyte found in lithium-ion batteries with a solid electrolyte, which can improve safety and energy density.
- **Advantages**: Higher energy density, improved safety (no risk of thermal runaway), and potential for longer lifespans.
- **Disadvantages**: High costs and challenges with manufacturing scale and performance at room temperature.
- **Applications**: Future grid storage applications, though mostly in the R&D phase for now.
### 5. **Zinc-Air Batteries**
- **Description**: These batteries use zinc metal as the anode and oxygen from the air as the cathode.
- **Advantages**: High energy density, low cost (zinc is abundant and cheap), and environmentally friendly.
- **Disadvantages**: Limited cycle life due to issues with recharging and maintaining stable electrodes over long periods.
- **Applications**: Long-duration storage for renewable energy, off-grid applications.
### 6. **Iron-Air Batteries**
- **Description**: Iron-air batteries use the oxidation of iron to store energy. These are being explored by companies like Form Energy.
- **Advantages**: Extremely low cost, using abundant materials (iron and air), and high energy capacity for long-duration storage (up to 100 hours).
- **Disadvantages**: Large footprint and slower charging/discharging compared to lithium-ion, which makes them suitable only for long-duration, stationary storage.
- **Applications**: Large-scale, long-duration grid storage, particularly for days when renewable generation is low.
### 7. **Nickel-Iron (NiFe) Batteries**
- **Description**: A long-established technology, nickel-iron batteries are durable and have a long lifespan but have seen limited adoption due to their weight and size.
- **Advantages**: Extremely long life (up to 30 years), high tolerance to overcharging, and low environmental impact.
- **Disadvantages**: Lower energy density, high self-discharge rate, and relatively low efficiency.
- **Applications**: Off-grid storage, backup power for critical infrastructure, and niche grid storage needs.
### 8. **Hydrogen Energy Storage (Fuel Cells)**
- **Description**: Hydrogen can be produced through electrolysis using excess renewable energy and stored in tanks for later use in fuel cells.
- **Advantages**: High energy storage potential, can be used for long-term storage, and hydrogen can be used as a fuel for multiple applications (grid storage, transportation, industrial use).
- **Disadvantages**: Low round-trip efficiency (around 40-50%), high cost of electrolysis, and infrastructure challenges.
- **Applications**: Seasonal energy storage, long-duration grid storage, integration with renewable energy.
### 9. **Molten Salt Batteries**
- **Description**: These batteries use molten salts as the electrolyte, storing energy in the form of heat, which can be converted back into electricity.
- **Advantages**: High-temperature operation leads to high efficiency, long lifecycle, and the use of abundant, inexpensive materials.
- **Disadvantages**: High operating temperatures can complicate installation and maintenance.
- **Applications**: Large-scale grid storage, often coupled with concentrated solar power (CSP) plants.
### 10. **Compressed Air Energy Storage (CAES)**
- **Description**: Though not a battery in the traditional sense, CAES stores energy by compressing air into underground caverns or large tanks and then releasing it to generate electricity.
- **Advantages**: Large-scale energy storage, long-duration capabilities, low material cost.
- **Disadvantages**: Low round-trip efficiency (40-50%), requires specific geological conditions for underground storage.
- **Applications**: Grid-scale energy storage, particularly for balancing intermittent renewable energy sources like wind and solar.
Each of these technologies addresses different needs in the grid, from short-duration, high-power requirements to long-duration, large-scale storage. The choice of battery for grid storage depends on factors like duration, cost, geography, and specific energy needs.
concordtom said:
Storage solutions that exist but are not yet fully implemented.
going4roses said:
Now now run along smooth brain … you and your lench(lol) mob think it's the 1920's
Why are you so mad ? Did someone hurt you ?
You and one or two others have claimed this dozens and dozens of times and it's been debunked. You can keep saying it hundreds and hundreds more times and it doesn't make it true.Zippergate said:
Also, why is it that these kinds graphs always begin in the late seventies? It was at that time that the scientific community was warning of a new ice age.
oski003 said:going4roses said:
Now now run along smooth brain … you and your lench(lol) mob think it's the 1920's
Why are you so mad ? Did someone hurt you ?
Chapman is infinitely smarter than you. There is zero doubt.
Zippergate said:
I have serious doubts about the numbers being portrayed here. We have detailed records of arctic sea ice extent (surface area) in the satellite era, but volume? Surface era is down since 1979 but not anywhere close to the decline being claimed here. Also, the trough of the decline was somewhere around 2010 IIRC. Around that time, experts like Al Gore were claiming that sea ice would disappear within five years, but that was the actual bottom and sea ice extent has sine actually increased.
Also, why is it that these kinds graphs always begin in the late seventies? It was at that time that the scientific community was warning of a new ice age. Temperatures globally were plummeting and sea ice extent was at multi-decadal highs. 1979 is a very convenient year if one's purpose is to deceptively dramatize the decline. We don't have detailed records going back to the beginning of the 20th century but anecdotal reports from surveyors at the time indicate that the arctic was nearly free of ice in the summer. But that doesn't fit the narrative so you won't hear it from the climate industry.
There were a few arctic explorers that got their ships stuck in the nonexistent arctic ice back in the late 19th/early 20th century.concordtom said:Zippergate said:
I have serious doubts about the numbers being portrayed here. We have detailed records of arctic sea ice extent (surface area) in the satellite era, but volume? Surface era is down since 1979 but not anywhere close to the decline being claimed here. Also, the trough of the decline was somewhere around 2010 IIRC. Around that time, experts like Al Gore were claiming that sea ice would disappear within five years, but that was the actual bottom and sea ice extent has sine actually increased.
Also, why is it that these kinds graphs always begin in the late seventies? It was at that time that the scientific community was warning of a new ice age. Temperatures globally were plummeting and sea ice extent was at multi-decadal highs. 1979 is a very convenient year if one's purpose is to deceptively dramatize the decline. We don't have detailed records going back to the beginning of the 20th century but anecdotal reports from surveyors at the time indicate that the arctic was nearly free of ice in the summer. But that doesn't fit the narrative so you won't hear it from the climate industry.
Arctic shipping lanes opening in summertime soon.
Duh
Eastern Oregon Bear said:There were a few arctic explorers that got their ships stuck in the nonexistent arctic ice back in the late 19th/early 20th century.concordtom said:Zippergate said:
I have serious doubts about the numbers being portrayed here. We have detailed records of arctic sea ice extent (surface area) in the satellite era, but volume? Surface era is down since 1979 but not anywhere close to the decline being claimed here. Also, the trough of the decline was somewhere around 2010 IIRC. Around that time, experts like Al Gore were claiming that sea ice would disappear within five years, but that was the actual bottom and sea ice extent has sine actually increased.
Also, why is it that these kinds graphs always begin in the late seventies? It was at that time that the scientific community was warning of a new ice age. Temperatures globally were plummeting and sea ice extent was at multi-decadal highs. 1979 is a very convenient year if one's purpose is to deceptively dramatize the decline. We don't have detailed records going back to the beginning of the 20th century but anecdotal reports from surveyors at the time indicate that the arctic was nearly free of ice in the summer. But that doesn't fit the narrative so you won't hear it from the climate industry.
Arctic shipping lanes opening in summertime soon.
Duh
Eastern Oregon Bear said:You and one or two others have claimed this dozens and dozens of times and it's been debunked. You can keep saying it hundreds and hundreds more times and it doesn't make it true.Zippergate said:
Also, why is it that these kinds graphs always begin in the late seventies? It was at that time that the scientific community was warning of a new ice age.
That the earth had significantly cooled was not a fringe opinion. Temperature graphs from NASA at the time reflected an upward spike into the 40s and decline into the 70s; natural variation unrelated to anthropogenic green house gases. That spike is now gone. Climate models designed around one key parameter, carbon dioxide, couldn't explain the spike so the spike had to be smoothed out. This is not my opinion, it is a fact of history. As Orwell said, he who controls the present controls the past.Cal88 said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:You and one or two others have claimed this dozens and dozens of times and it's been debunked. You can keep saying it hundreds and hundreds more times and it doesn't make it true.Zippergate said:
Also, why is it that these kinds graphs always begin in the late seventies? It was at that time that the scientific community was warning of a new ice age.
The basic premise of Zipper's argument, that the climate cooled in the 1960s-70s, then warmed afterwards, is beyond dispute, hence the use of 1979 as the starting year being a flawed or biased anchor year. The argument about that is whether at that time there was a scientific consensus on global cooling.
When I was a kid the media convinced us that we were on the brink of an ice age. pic.twitter.com/3rjn4vguHX
— @amuse (@amuse) September 21, 2024
Zippergate said:
This discussion is several years too late. Just about everyone now recognizes that renewables, given current technological realities, have insurmountable problems with scale and intermittency. It may make sense at a limited scale in places with the best renewable resources (e.g., California solar) but the amount of storage needed to back up a 100%-renewable grid is beyond comprehension. Natural gas is the present. Nuclear is the future. See the deal Microsoft announced today to bring Three Mile Island back online as the latest of many datapoints illustrating this trend.
Just a reminder: The world has spent trillions upon trillions of dollars on renewables over the last couple decades. Fossil fuel share of total energy use during that time has dropped from 82% to..........81%. Every percentage point gets more and more expensive.
Like it or not: Germany’s energy system is fully operational, with more than 50% renewables. And we are shutting down – not building – coal & nuclear plants. Coal will be off the grid by 2038 at the latest. PS: We also don’t eat cats and dogs. #Debate2024 pic.twitter.com/PiDO98Vxfo
— GermanForeignOffice (@GermanyDiplo) September 11, 2024
Zippergate said:
Back in the real world, German industrial output is collapsing due to out-of-control electricity prices. And no, renewables have not replaced the lost power from Russian gas or shuttered nuclear. Germany now imports large amounts of North American LNG and has greatly increased lignite coal production. Lignite coal is some of the dirtiest coal there is which is why the industry was curtailed when real environmentalists dictated policy. The idea that Germany is thriving on renewables is pure propaganda.
dajo9 said:Zippergate said:
This discussion is several years too late. Just about everyone now recognizes that renewables, given current technological realities, have insurmountable problems with scale and intermittency. It may make sense at a limited scale in places with the best renewable resources (e.g., California solar) but the amount of storage needed to back up a 100%-renewable grid is beyond comprehension. Natural gas is the present. Nuclear is the future. See the deal Microsoft announced today to bring Three Mile Island back online as the latest of many datapoints illustrating this trend.
Just a reminder: The world has spent trillions upon trillions of dollars on renewables over the last couple decades. Fossil fuel share of total energy use during that time has dropped from 82% to..........81%. Every percentage point gets more and more expensive.
This kind of misinformation is why Germany had to publicly humiliate Donold on the world stageLike it or not: Germany’s energy system is fully operational, with more than 50% renewables. And we are shutting down – not building – coal & nuclear plants. Coal will be off the grid by 2038 at the latest. PS: We also don’t eat cats and dogs. #Debate2024 pic.twitter.com/PiDO98Vxfo
— GermanForeignOffice (@GermanyDiplo) September 11, 2024
