Syria: Assad flees

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No thread on this yet?
Come on, people!
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Sachs' take on the Geopolitics Of Syria's Civil War (you can skip to the 2min mark) :

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Syria before NATO's Timber Sycamore regime change/civil war operation:




Syria today under McCain's moderate headchopper buddies:







Some highlights from that thread:










BearGoggles
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Super weird that the people most vocal in their support of Putin and decrying "genocide" in Gaza (huge overlap there) have had nothing to say about Assad's actual genociding. It's almost like there's a double standard at play here.
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I have no idea about who is who or what is going on in Syria. Is this good or bad, I dunno.

But I am confident…
after it all settles out, it will be the fault of Hillary's emails or Hunter's laptop!
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BearGoggles said:

Super weird that the people most vocal in their support of Putin and decrying "genocide" in Gaza (huge overlap there) have had nothing to say about Assad's actual genociding. It's almost like there's a double standard at play here.
Super weird that Isreal felt the need to invade to prevent terrorists from threatening Isreal if there aren't terrorists in control of Syria now.
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wc22 said:

BearGoggles said:

Super weird that the people most vocal in their support of Putin and decrying "genocide" in Gaza (huge overlap there) have had nothing to say about Assad's actual genociding. It's almost like there's a double standard at play here.
Super weird that Isreal felt the need to invade to prevent terrorists from threatening Isreal if there aren't terrorists in control of Syria now.
No doubt, to you, Israel is absolutely the problem here.

And just to be clear, Israel didn't invade Syria and there are in fact terrorists in control of parts of Syria. The leading opposition army is Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), They are sunni militants (previously associated with Al Queda) led by Mohammed al-Jolani. Both HTS and Jolani are on the US and UN list of terrorists.

And HTS is far from the worst group now in control of parts of Syria. It is a real cluster.

I note you had nothing to say about the genocide in Syria. Far more Palestinians have been killed by Assad than the the Israelis.
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And that is the driving force behind this whole operation, since 2010.
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BearGoggles said:

Super weird that the people most vocal in their support of Putin and decrying "genocide" in Gaza (huge overlap there) have had nothing to say about Assad's actual genociding. It's almost like there's a double standard at play here.
Agreed. Maybe the next government will be worse, but no one should weep for Assad.
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My hot take on Syria (meaning offhand and not super-well-informed) is that we should steer clear unless provoked.
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BearGoggles said:

wc22 said:

BearGoggles said:

Super weird that the people most vocal in their support of Putin and decrying "genocide" in Gaza (huge overlap there) have had nothing to say about Assad's actual genociding. It's almost like there's a double standard at play here.
Super weird that Isreal felt the need to invade to prevent terrorists from threatening Isreal if there aren't terrorists in control of Syria now.
No doubt, to you, Israel is absolutely the problem here.

And just to be clear, Israel didn't invade Syria and there are in fact terrorists in control of parts of Syria. The leading opposition army is Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), They are sunni militants (previously associated with Al Queda) led by Mohammed al-Jolani. Both HTS and Jolani are on the US and UN list of terrorists.

And HTS is far from the worst group now in control of parts of Syria. It is a real cluster.


Israel is invading Syria right now. One of the main Israeli leaders in Netanyahu's cabinet called for taking Syrian territory up to Damascus (scroll up to see his statement), in addition to Israel invading and settling southern Lebanon.

Israel is an ethnic settler-colonial project straight out of the 19th century, it is the only country in the world that doesn't define its borders, because their god is a real estate agent who has given them all the land around them.

Israel arms and support the jihadis on the other side of the border and most of the groups that they have sent to overthrow the secular government of Assad. Israel through AIPAC runs US foreign policy and the project they have laid out two decades ago to take out 7 neighboring countries through American blood and treasure is now nearly complete with Syria taken out. Iran is the only country left on that list.



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I note you had nothing to say about the genocide in Syria. Far more Palestinians have been killed by Assad than the the Israelis.
Even by your own standards, that is a big whopper.
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What is a Putin's motivation to allow Assad to live in luxury now that Assad has nothing to offer him and is little more than a living memory of a Putin foreign policy fail?

Assads acclimate to their new luxurious life in Russia
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/rywlk5eekg

*If I was Assad I would worry that I was going to end up in a gray. dingy Moscow public housing project after those who lost money shoring up his regime take his billions away.
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bearister said:

What is a Putin's motivation to allow Assad to live in luxury now that Assad has nothing to offer him and is little more than a living memory of a Putin foreign policy fail?

Assads acclimate to their new luxurious life in Russia
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/rywlk5eekg

*If I was Assad I would worry that I was going to end up in a gray. dingy Moscow public housing project after those who lost money shoring up his regime take his billions away.


Assad is a licensed eye surgeon who used to practice in London before he became president of Syria, I wouldn't worry about his housing prospects in Russia. He also has a big fortune stashed in Russian banks.

He was a dictator of sorts, much more clearly so than say Putin, with an internal security apparatus not unlike the Shah of Iran' Savak, however he had the support of a small majority of Syrians, including their middle class, but especially among minorities like the Christians and his own community, the Alawites, who live west of the coastal mountain range of Syria, where a lot of crusader castles are located:





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Cal88 said:

bearister said:

What is a Putin's motivation to allow Assad to live in luxury now that Assad has nothing to offer him and is little more than a living memory of a Putin foreign policy fail?

Assads acclimate to their new luxurious life in Russia
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/rywlk5eekg

*If I was Assad I would worry that I was going to end up in a gray. dingy Moscow public housing project after those who lost money shoring up his regime take his billions away.


Assad is a licensed eye surgeon who used to practice in London before he became president of Syria, I wouldn't worry about his housing prospects in Russia. He also has a big fortune stashed in Russian banks.

He was a dictator of sorts, much more clearly so than say Putin, with an internal security apparatus not unlike the Shah of Iran' Savak, however he had the support of a small majority of Syrians, including their middle class, but especially among minorities like the Christians and his own community, the Alawites, who live west of the coastal mountain range of Syria, where a lot of crusader castles are located:






"Of sorts"? You are absolutely priceless. Bless your heart.
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BearGoggles said:

Cal88 said:

bearister said:

What is a Putin's motivation to allow Assad to live in luxury now that Assad has nothing to offer him and is little more than a living memory of a Putin foreign policy fail?

Assads acclimate to their new luxurious life in Russia
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/rywlk5eekg

*If I was Assad I would worry that I was going to end up in a gray. dingy Moscow public housing project after those who lost money shoring up his regime take his billions away.


Assad is a licensed eye surgeon who used to practice in London before he became president of Syria, I wouldn't worry about his housing prospects in Russia. He also has a big fortune stashed in Russian banks.

He was a dictator of sorts, much more clearly so than say Putin, with an internal security apparatus not unlike the Shah of Iran' Savak, however he had the support of a small majority of Syrians, including their middle class, but especially among minorities like the Christians and his own community, the Alawites, who live west of the coastal mountain range of Syria, where a lot of crusader castles are located:






"Of sorts"? You are absolutely priceless. Bless your heart.

As hard as I can try, I can't top your last blurb about Assad killing more Palestinians than Israel, that's a tall mountain to climb.
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Cal88 said:

BearGoggles said:

wc22 said:

BearGoggles said:

Super weird that the people most vocal in their support of Putin and decrying "genocide" in Gaza (huge overlap there) have had nothing to say about Assad's actual genociding. It's almost like there's a double standard at play here.
Super weird that Isreal felt the need to invade to prevent terrorists from threatening Isreal if there aren't terrorists in control of Syria now.
No doubt, to you, Israel is absolutely the problem here.

And just to be clear, Israel didn't invade Syria and there are in fact terrorists in control of parts of Syria. The leading opposition army is Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), They are sunni militants (previously associated with Al Queda) led by Mohammed al-Jolani. Both HTS and Jolani are on the US and UN list of terrorists.

And HTS is far from the worst group now in control of parts of Syria. It is a real cluster.


Israel is invading Syria right now. One of the main Israeli leaders in Netanyahu's cabinet called for taking Syrian territory up to Damascus (scroll up to see his statement), in addition to Israel invading and settling southern Lebanon.

Israel is an ethnic settler-colonial project straight out of the 19th century, it is the only country in the world that doesn't define its borders, because their god is a real estate agent who has given them all the land around them.

Israel arms and support the jihadis on the other side of the border and most of the groups that they have sent to overthrow the secular government of Assad. Israel through AIPAC runs US foreign policy and the project they have laid out two decades ago to take out 7 neighboring countries through American blood and treasure is now nearly complete with Syria taken out. Iran is the only country left on that list.



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I note you had nothing to say about the genocide in Syria. Far more Palestinians have been killed by Assad than the the Israelis.
Even by your own standards, that is a big whopper.

This is some hard core antisemtic Jew hating bs. Thank you for exposing yourself as clearly as could be.

Because one minister in a cabinet said something (if the even did which I tend to doubt since you are the source) does not make it a fact. Israel expanded the border buffer zone in Golan Heights and that's it. Not an invasion. If Israel wanted to invade and conquer any surrounding country, they could.

It is the US, Russia, Turkey, Iran, and other countries, not Israel, that are arming Syrian groups. If anything, many in Israel preferred Assad (the enemy they know) over the Sunni jihadists who may now obtain control and create another caliphate. Israel and Assad had reached an unspoken arrangement that resembled stability.

The fact that you think US policy (as you would characterize it) is Israel's policy is objectively false. If that was the case, the US would have attacked Iran years ago. Israel has viewed Iran as its primary enemy for two decades dating to the 2003 Iraqi war.

In terms of my quoted statement, I misspoke. I meant to say "Arab/Palestinian civilians". Assad has killed 400,000 plus civilians, many of them Palestinians. And unlike Israel, Assad actually displaced and "ethnic cleansed" areas.

You are both uninformed and horribly bigoted. Israel is your boogey man and you are so biased you can't bring yourself to admit Assad - a man who killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people - was more than an eye doctor with dictatorial "tendancies."
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Cal88 said:

BearGoggles said:

Cal88 said:

bearister said:

What is a Putin's motivation to allow Assad to live in luxury now that Assad has nothing to offer him and is little more than a living memory of a Putin foreign policy fail?

Assads acclimate to their new luxurious life in Russia
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/rywlk5eekg

*If I was Assad I would worry that I was going to end up in a gray. dingy Moscow public housing project after those who lost money shoring up his regime take his billions away.


Assad is a licensed eye surgeon who used to practice in London before he became president of Syria, I wouldn't worry about his housing prospects in Russia. He also has a big fortune stashed in Russian banks.

He was a dictator of sorts, much more clearly so than say Putin, with an internal security apparatus not unlike the Shah of Iran' Savak, however he had the support of a small majority of Syrians, including their middle class, but especially among minorities like the Christians and his own community, the Alawites, who live west of the coastal mountain range of Syria, where a lot of crusader castles are located:






"Of sorts"? You are absolutely priceless. Bless your heart.

As hard as I can try, I can't top your last blurb about Assad killing more Palestinians than Israel, that's a tall mountain to climb.
Which I just corrected/clarified. Unlike you, I have a respect for the truth and am not a bigot.
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BearGoggles said:

wc22 said:

BearGoggles said:

Super weird that the people most vocal in their support of Putin and decrying "genocide" in Gaza (huge overlap there) have had nothing to say about Assad's actual genociding. It's almost like there's a double standard at play here.
Super weird that Isreal felt the need to invade to prevent terrorists from threatening Isreal if there aren't terrorists in control of Syria now.
No doubt, to you, Israel is absolutely the problem here.

And just to be clear, Israel didn't invade Syria and there are in fact terrorists in control of parts of Syria. The leading opposition army is Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), They are sunni militants (previously associated with Al Queda) led by Mohammed al-Jolani. Both HTS and Jolani are on the US and UN list of terrorists.

And HTS is far from the worst group now in control of parts of Syria. It is a real cluster.

I note you had nothing to say about the genocide in Syria. Far more Palestinians have been killed by Assad than the the Israelis.

I don't know what you are going on about. You seem to have chosen a tangental angle (a really dumb one) and are sticking to it.

It is pretty clear that Isreal views the "moderate rebels" as fundementally more dangerous than Assad because they immediately invaded and started destroying all the Syrian military capability they could. These were always terrorists (genocidal Islamic groups that want to commit actual genocide against Christians, Jews, and other muslims). Isreal wanted Assad gone but definitely does not want Syrias new keepers to have any type of traditional standing army like he had. Syrians themselves will be less free now. Everyone knows that.
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Officially sanctioned terrorist regime replaces officially sanctioned terrorist regime. What could go wrong?
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Cal88 said:


Israel is invading Syria right now. One of the main Israeli leaders in Netanyahu's cabinet called for taking Syrian territory up to Damascus (scroll up to see his statement), in addition to Israel invading and settling southern Lebanon.

Israel is an ethnic settler-colonial project straight out of the 19th century, it is the only country in the world that doesn't define its borders, because their god is a real estate agent who has given them all the land around them.

Israel arms and support the jihadis on the other side of the border and most of the groups that they have sent to overthrow the secular government of Assad. Israel through AIPAC runs US foreign policy and the project they have laid out two decades ago to take out 7 neighboring countries through American blood and treasure is now nearly complete with Syria taken out. Iran is the only country left on that list.
You keep the same things as if repeating enough will make it true.

To your normal Ethnic Cleansing claim, the non-Jewish population in Israel (ie Arabs) has increased from approximately 18% in 1948 to @25% today. It is quite remarkable that an ethnic cleanser would fail so miserably at their task so that the cleansed population would grow.

If they are colonialists why did they trade back massive swaths of land to Egypt in exchange for peace? Gaza was also traded for peace. Same with southern Lebanon. From memory, every Israeli war was initiated by Arab states/terrorists but 1. Notice the trend? Arabs attack, Israel wins, Israel gives land back in peace deal.

Crazy how Israel is simultaneously the least efficient ethnic cleanser and colonialist in history. It boggles the mind how they are even able to run a country, given how incredibly stupid, inefficient and incompetent they are at their core missions.

Yes, Israel entered Syria over the weekend. You react to that fact as if there are normal conditions on the ground. You ignore the obvious - they are doing that to prevent a terrible for them outcome while Syria is a complete and total mess. There is no question - ZERO - that should a stable, reasonably friendly government emerge those Israeli forces will turn back and return the land to Syria.
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BearGoggles said:

Cal88 said:

BearGoggles said:

wc22 said:

BearGoggles said:

Super weird that the people most vocal in their support of Putin and decrying "genocide" in Gaza (huge overlap there) have had nothing to say about Assad's actual genociding. It's almost like there's a double standard at play here.
Super weird that Isreal felt the need to invade to prevent terrorists from threatening Isreal if there aren't terrorists in control of Syria now.
No doubt, to you, Israel is absolutely the problem here.

And just to be clear, Israel didn't invade Syria and there are in fact terrorists in control of parts of Syria. The leading opposition army is Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), They are sunni militants (previously associated with Al Queda) led by Mohammed al-Jolani. Both HTS and Jolani are on the US and UN list of terrorists.

And HTS is far from the worst group now in control of parts of Syria. It is a real cluster.


Israel is invading Syria right now. One of the main Israeli leaders in Netanyahu's cabinet called for taking Syrian territory up to Damascus (scroll up to see his statement), in addition to Israel invading and settling southern Lebanon.

Israel is an ethnic settler-colonial project straight out of the 19th century, it is the only country in the world that doesn't define its borders, because their god is a real estate agent who has given them all the land around them.

Israel arms and support the jihadis on the other side of the border and most of the groups that they have sent to overthrow the secular government of Assad. Israel through AIPAC runs US foreign policy and the project they have laid out two decades ago to take out 7 neighboring countries through American blood and treasure is now nearly complete with Syria taken out. Iran is the only country left on that list.



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I note you had nothing to say about the genocide in Syria. Far more Palestinians have been killed by Assad than the the Israelis.
Even by your own standards, that is a big whopper.

This is some hard core antisemtic Jew hating bs. Thank you for exposing yourself as clearly as could be.

Because one minister in a cabinet said something (if the even did which I tend to doubt since you are the source) does not make it a fact. Israel expanded the border buffer zone in Golan Heights and that's it. Not an invasion. If Israel wanted to invade and conquer any surrounding country, they could.

It is the US, Russia, Turkey, Iran, and other countries, not Israel, that are arming Syrian groups. If anything, many in Israel preferred Assad (the enemy they know) over the Sunni jihadists who may now obtain control and create another caliphate. Israel and Assad had reached an unspoken arrangement that resembled stability.

The fact that you think US policy (as you would characterize it) is Israel's policy is objectively false. If that was the case, the US would have attacked Iran years ago. Israel has viewed Iran as its primary enemy for two decades dating to the 2003 Iraqi war.

In terms of my quoted statement, I misspoke. I meant to say "Arab/Palestinian civilians". Assad has killed 400,000 plus civilians, many of them Palestinians. And unlike Israel, Assad actually displaced and "ethnic cleansed" areas.

You are both uninformed and horribly bigoted. Israel is your boogey man and you are so biased you can't bring yourself to admit Assad - a man who killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people - was more than an eye doctor with dictatorial "tendancies."

One whopper after the other, complete with the antisemitic libel to top it all.



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And unlike Israel, Assad actually displaced and "ethnic cleansed" areas.

Perhaps you haven't noticed the current ethnic cleansing of Gaza, done with shocking savagery with the combination of the equivalent of 4 Hiroshima bombs on an enclave with 2 million people the size of Manhattan, in combination with their active starvation and the deliberate and through destruction of their hospitals, and you have the gall to claim here that Israel isn't ethnically cleansing the Palestinians??





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Big C said:


My hot take on Syria (meaning offhand and not super-well-informed) is that we should steer clear unless provoked.

"In any event, Syria is a mess, but is not our friend, & THE UNITED STATES SHOULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. THIS IS NOT OUR FIGHT. LET IT PLAY OUT. DO NOT GET INVOLVED!"


There appears to be a stark difference between their positions.
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Mr. Trump and I agree now and then.

Admittedly, I need to study up a bit more on Syria and its place in the world, but for now, I'm thinking we stay away.
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Mr. Trump and I agree now and then.

Admittedly, I need to study up a bit more on Syria and its place in the world, but for now, I'm thinking we stay away.
We are already there and have been since Trump was president. To fight ISIS and other bad guys.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-troops-are-staying-syria-white-houses-finer-says-2024-12-10/
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Cal88 said:

BearGoggles said:

Cal88 said:

BearGoggles said:

wc22 said:

BearGoggles said:

Super weird that the people most vocal in their support of Putin and decrying "genocide" in Gaza (huge overlap there) have had nothing to say about Assad's actual genociding. It's almost like there's a double standard at play here.
Super weird that Isreal felt the need to invade to prevent terrorists from threatening Isreal if there aren't terrorists in control of Syria now.
No doubt, to you, Israel is absolutely the problem here.

And just to be clear, Israel didn't invade Syria and there are in fact terrorists in control of parts of Syria. The leading opposition army is Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), They are sunni militants (previously associated with Al Queda) led by Mohammed al-Jolani. Both HTS and Jolani are on the US and UN list of terrorists.

And HTS is far from the worst group now in control of parts of Syria. It is a real cluster.


Israel is invading Syria right now. One of the main Israeli leaders in Netanyahu's cabinet called for taking Syrian territory up to Damascus (scroll up to see his statement), in addition to Israel invading and settling southern Lebanon.

Israel is an ethnic settler-colonial project straight out of the 19th century, it is the only country in the world that doesn't define its borders, because their god is a real estate agent who has given them all the land around them.

Israel arms and support the jihadis on the other side of the border and most of the groups that they have sent to overthrow the secular government of Assad. Israel through AIPAC runs US foreign policy and the project they have laid out two decades ago to take out 7 neighboring countries through American blood and treasure is now nearly complete with Syria taken out. Iran is the only country left on that list.



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I note you had nothing to say about the genocide in Syria. Far more Palestinians have been killed by Assad than the the Israelis.
Even by your own standards, that is a big whopper.

This is some hard core antisemtic Jew hating bs. Thank you for exposing yourself as clearly as could be.

Because one minister in a cabinet said something (if the even did which I tend to doubt since you are the source) does not make it a fact. Israel expanded the border buffer zone in Golan Heights and that's it. Not an invasion. If Israel wanted to invade and conquer any surrounding country, they could.

It is the US, Russia, Turkey, Iran, and other countries, not Israel, that are arming Syrian groups. If anything, many in Israel preferred Assad (the enemy they know) over the Sunni jihadists who may now obtain control and create another caliphate. Israel and Assad had reached an unspoken arrangement that resembled stability.

The fact that you think US policy (as you would characterize it) is Israel's policy is objectively false. If that was the case, the US would have attacked Iran years ago. Israel has viewed Iran as its primary enemy for two decades dating to the 2003 Iraqi war.

In terms of my quoted statement, I misspoke. I meant to say "Arab/Palestinian civilians". Assad has killed 400,000 plus civilians, many of them Palestinians. And unlike Israel, Assad actually displaced and "ethnic cleansed" areas.

You are both uninformed and horribly bigoted. Israel is your boogey man and you are so biased you can't bring yourself to admit Assad - a man who killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people - was more than an eye doctor with dictatorial "tendancies."

One whopper after the other, complete with the antisemitic libel to top it all.



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And unlike Israel, Assad actually displaced and "ethnic cleansed" areas.

Perhaps you haven't noticed the current ethnic cleansing of Gaza, done with shocking savagery with the combination of the equivalent of 4 Hiroshima bombs on an enclave with 2 million people the size of Manhattan, in combination with their active starvation and the deliberate and through destruction of their hospitals, and you have the gall to claim here that Israel isn't ethnically cleansing the Palestinians??






Its weird (but predictable) you still can't bring yourself to say a single bad thing about eye doctor Assad or acknowledge the real genocide he perpetuated.

And yes, it is antisemitic to claim US policy is run by AIPAC, not to mention your other slurs of "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing". Gaza is still 100% palestinian with a growing population. Not a single Jew lives there. Fighting a war is not ethnic cleansing.

Ignoring the fact that Hamas steals food and other aid, there is no other war where the one combatant is expected to feed the other. Hamas hides behind civilians. That is why hospitals and other schools are attacked.

Why haven't you called on Hamas to release the hostages which would end this war or at least result in a cease fire? You deny Palestinians all agency - the soft bigotry of low expectations.

Yesterday you were making a false claim that Israel invaded Syria. Yet you defend Russia's invasion of Ukraine - such hypocrisy. Try explaining that. How are these events - as you characterize them - different?

And at the same time, have nothing to say about Turkey which has invaded Syria, occupied a large area and been accused of ethnic cleansing of the Kurds and others. Silence from you once again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_occupation_of_northern_Syria#Ethnic_cleansing_and_kidnapping_of_women


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Big C said:


Mr. Trump and I agree now and then.

Admittedly, I need to study up a bit more on Syria and its place in the world, but for now, I'm thinking we stay away.

Mr. Trump always supports Russian interests over those of the United States. What else is new?

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dimitrig said:

Big C said:

Mr. Trump and I agree now and then.

Admittedly, I need to study up a bit more on Syria and its place in the world, but for now, I'm thinking we stay away.
Mr. Trump always supports Russian interests over those of the United States. What else is new?
This is an absurd lie or ridiculously sad belief.
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Chapman_is_Gone said:

O/T board cretins. I thought with the election behind us you might actually shut up. Truth is, you are all just loser d icks who enjoy pointless arguing. Grow up, losers.
So says the guy with 347 posts to Off Topic.
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tequila4kapp said:

dimitrig said:

Big C said:

Mr. Trump and I agree now and then.

Admittedly, I need to study up a bit more on Syria and its place in the world, but for now, I'm thinking we stay away.
Mr. Trump always supports Russian interests over those of the United States. What else is new?
This is an absurd lie or ridiculously sad belief.


Is it?

Show me an instance when Trump criticized Putin or Russia.

One reason Assad waited to step down is that he was waiting for Trump to take office because it would be more favorable for him. He didn't get the luxury of time.

This is what Trump said about Syria:

"I know Vladimir well. This is his time to act. China can help. The World is waiting!"

Once he takes office he will also cave on Ukraine and sell it as a great peace deal.


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dimitrig said:



Is it?

Show me an instance when Trump criticized Putin or Russia.

One reason Assad waited to step down is that he was waiting for Trump to take office because it would be more favorable for him. He didn't get the luxury of time.

This is what Trump said about Syria:

"I know Vladimir well. This is his time to act. China can help. The World is waiting!"

Once he takes office he will also cave on Ukraine and sell it as a great peace deal.

It is.

You started by saying Trump put Russia's interests ahead of America's interest. That is patently absurd. You then pivoted to say Trump never says anything critical of Putin or Russia. That is moving the goal post.

Assad did not "wait" for anything to step down. He fled before being killed by his enemies. His hand was never forced like this before because Russia and Iran saved his ass. There is zero reason to believe he would have voluntarily step down after January 20. Dictators don't operate that way.

I do agree with your characterization of Ukraine. I suspect they are going to give up land - which I view as rewarding Russia, and which I disagree with - and at some version of their NATO aspirations. Russia will likely only give up their desires to fully reincorporate Ukraine. I am not a fan of Trump's foreign policy here.
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tequila4kapp said:

dimitrig said:



Is it?

Show me an instance when Trump criticized Putin or Russia.

One reason Assad waited to step down is that he was waiting for Trump to take office because it would be more favorable for him. He didn't get the luxury of time.

This is what Trump said about Syria:

"I know Vladimir well. This is his time to act. China can help. The World is waiting!"

Once he takes office he will also cave on Ukraine and sell it as a great peace deal.

It is.

You started by saying Trump put Russia's interests ahead of America's interest. That is patently absurd. You then pivoted to say Trump never says anything critical of Putin or Russia. That is moving the goal post.

Assad did not "wait" for anything to step down. He fled before being killed by his enemies. His hand was never forced like this before because Russia and Iran saved his ass. There is zero reason to believe he would have voluntarily step down after January 20. Dictators don't operate that way.

I do agree with your characterization of Ukraine. I suspect they are going to give up land - which I view as rewarding Russia, and which I disagree with - and at some version of their NATO aspirations. Russia will likely only give up their desires to fully reincorporate Ukraine. I am not a fan of Trump's foreign policy here.

If a President is always praising Russia and Putin and assists them how is it in America's interests?

37 Times Trump was soft on Russia

As for Assad:

"Some of his advisers recommended that he accept the indirect U.S. offer to sever ties with Iran in return for the lifting of sanctions, Barabandi said. But Assad held firm, he said, thinking he might get a better deal once President-elect Donald Trump was in office. As rebels raced south toward the Syrian capital, Iran began withdrawing its forces and Assad's time ran out."

Link:
https://archive.ph/RbS59#selection-1833.0-1837.124

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I wonder when CNN will write a check for $787,000,000 for telling dirty rotten lies?

When you own all 3 branches of government and the Emperor of Earth and Mars is your patron, who the f@uck cares about truth, lying or even reality? Bring on the designer drugs, hot chicks and bitcoin.
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bearister said:

I wonder when CNN will write a check for $787,000,000 for telling dirty rotten lies?

When you own all 3 branches of government and the Emperor of Earth and Mars is your patron, who the f@uck cares about truth, lying or even reality? Bring on the designer drugs, hot chicks and bitcoin.

CNN doesn't have to write checks because they always push the official narratives.



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What is a Putin's motivation to allow Assad to live in luxury now that Assad has nothing to offer him and is little more than a living memory of a Putin foreign policy fail?

Assads acclimate to their new luxurious life in Russia
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/rywlk5eekg

*If I was Assad I would worry that I was going to end up in a gray. dingy Moscow public housing project after those who lost money shoring up his regime take his billions away.



Bashar al-Assad's wife, Asma, pursues divorce and moving to UK - The Jerusalem Post


https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-834499

" The British wife of Syria's deposed president Bashar al-Assad, Asma al-Assad, has filed for divorce after expressing dissatisfaction with her life in Moscow, Turkish and Arab media reported Sunday. She reportedly seeks to move to London.

…… Although his asylum request was accepted, Bashar al-Assad is still reportedly subject to severe restrictions. He is not permitted to leave Moscow or engage in any political activities.

…… Russian authorities have also frozen his assets and money. His assets include 270 kilograms of gold, $2 billion, and 18 apartments in Moscow."*

*The Kremlin denies this story….just like it denies tossing fellers out of buildings or poisoning them.



Assad is going to end up like Alexander Rostov in A Gentleman in Moscow

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