Woman Bishop stands up to Trump in front of packed house

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concordtom
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Washington National Cathedral (my absolute favorite) Bishop Marian Budde lectures Trump with him in front row surrounded by (EVERYONE) about the 3 Foundations of Unity, and then speaks directly to the President to make a plea of Mercy on behalf of LGBTQ and immigrants who are today very scared.


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Predictably, Trump took to Truth Social to denounce the "so-called Bishop" as a "Radical Left hard line Trump hater" and accusing her of bringing "her church into the World of politics in a very ungracious way." He dismissed her sermon as "nasty in tone," "boring" and "uninspiring," going so far as to demand an apology from her and her church.

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/rcna188764
bearister
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"…..accusing her of bringing "her church into the World of politics in a very ungracious way."

Yeah, Trump's Evangelical base would never bring "their church into the world of politics."
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concordtom
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Haha
Cal88
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concordtom said:


Full sermon :


Predictably, Trump took to Truth Social to denounce the "so-called Bishop" as a "Radical Left hard line Trump hater" and accusing her of bringing "her church into the World of politics in a very ungracious way." He dismissed her sermon as "nasty in tone," "boring" and "uninspiring," going so far as to demand an apology from her and her church.

"I hear you calling, Mariaaaan"

bear2034
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She was filled with....left wing, political talking points.
concordtom
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Shows your level of intelligence, maturity.

It's true that a certain percentage of Americans are simply going to be that way. On both sides.

We'll simply figure it all out without you. Go ahead and play with your Sit N Spin off to the side.
AunBear89
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bear2034 said:


She was filled with....left wing, political talking points.


Or maybe she was filled with the Holy Spirit, spoke her mind, and those core Christian beliefs just happen to closely align with your so called "left wing, political talking points."

Jesus preached tolerance and love and understanding.

Jesus would be called a loony liberal by the pretend Christian Conservatives on this board and across the country.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
chazzed
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Commandments for thee but not for me.


concordtom
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chazzed said:

Commandments for thee but not for me.





It's sickening, actually.
Sickening that millions of Christian Americans don't recognize it.
76BearsFly
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As an Episcopalian, it grieved me to hear the Bishop single out a congregant for public reprimand and teaching her views on political issues. Not a good, nor welcoming, look.
concordtom
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76BearsFly said:

As an Episcopalian, it grieved me to hear the Bishop single out a congregant for public reprimand and teaching her views on political issues. Not a good, nor welcoming, look.

Poor baby, Trump.
bearister
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As an Irish Catholic, it beats the heck out of the corpulent Cardinal Dolan shamelessly kissing the arse of the Antichrist.

*Dolan's speciality in Milwaukee was shell gaming Church assets from child rape victims. It is men with Dolan's mindset that are responsible for the Church paying $4B in the US in jury verdicts/settlements in child rape (aka "clergy misconduct") cases.
https://www.ncronline.org/news/accountability/milwaukee-documents-show-dolan-asked-transfer-funds
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concordtom
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76BearsFly said:

As an Episcopalian, it grieved me to hear the Bishop single out a congregant for public reprimand and teaching her views on political issues. Not a good, nor welcoming, look.


Reprimand?
I would have excoriated him, but I don't think it can even be called "reprimand".

Let's take a look at what she actually said.

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This is a transcript of Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde's sermon for the 2025 inaugural prayer service. I stand by these words and feel it's important enough to share with as many people as possible in the interest of peace and understanding. She made it clear that she didn't hate Trump or wish to be confrontational, rather to gently make a plea to him given the fear she observed from many in the community.

May the words of my mouth and the meditation of all our hearts be acceptable in your sight, oh God, for you are our strength and our Redeemer. Amen. Please be seated.

Again, my warm welcome to all who have gathered in this House of prayer for all people and for those who are joining us via live stream. As a country we have gathered this morning to pray for unity as a people and a nation, not for agreement, political or otherwise, but for the kind of unity that fosters community across diversity and division, a unity that serves the common good. Unity in this sense is a threshold requirement for people to live in freedom and together in a free society. It is the solid rock, as Jesus said, in this case upon which to build a nation. It is not conformity. It is not victory. It is not polite weariness or passive passivity born of exhaustion. Unity is not partisan, rather unity is a way of being with one another that encompasses and respects our differences, that teaches us to hold multiple perspectives and life experiences as valid and worthy of respect, that enables us in our communities and in the halls of power to genuinely care for one another even when we disagree.

Those are across our country who dedicate their lives or who volunteer to help others in times of natural disaster, often at great risk to themselves, never ask those they are helping for whom they voted in a past election or what positions they hold on a particular issue. And we are at our best when we follow their example. For unity at times is sacrificial in the way that love is sacrificial, a giving of ourselves for the sake of another. In his sermon on the mount, Jesus of Nazareth exhorts us to love not only our neighbors but to love our enemies and to pray for those who persecute us, to be merciful as our God is merciful, to forgive others as God forgives us. And Jesus went out of his way to welcome those whom his society deemed as outcasts.

Now I grant you that unity in this broad expansive sense is aspirational, and it's a lot to pray for. It's a big ask of our God, worthy of the best of who we are and who we can be. But there isn't much to be gained by our prayers if we act in ways that further deepen the divisions among us. Our scriptures are quite clear about this that God is never impressed with prayers when actions are not informed by them. Nor does God spare us from the consequences of our deeds, which always in the end matter more than the words we pray. Those of us gathered here in the cathedral, we are not naive about the realities of politics, when power and wealth and competing interests are at stake, when views of what America should be are in conflict, when there are strong opinions across a spectrum of possibilities and starkly different understandings of what the right course of action is. There will be winners and losers. When votes are castdecisions made that set the course of public policy and the prioritization of resources, it goes without saying that in a democracy not everyone's particular hopes and dreams can be realized in a given legislative session or a presidential term not even in a generation. Which is to say, not everyone's specific prayers, for those of us who are people of prayer, not everyone's prayers will be answered in the way we would like. But for some, the loss of their hopes and dreams will be far more than political defeat but instead a loss of equality and dignity and their livelihoods. Given this then, is true unity among us even possible? And why should we care about it?

Well, I hope we care. I hope we care because the culture of contempt that has become normalized in this country threatens to destroy us. We are all bombarded daily with messages from what sociologists now call the outrage industrial complex, some of that driven by external forces whose interests are furthered by a polarized America. Contempt fuels political campaigns and social media, and many profit from that. But it's a worrisomeit's a dangerous way to lead a country. I'm a person of faith surrounded by people of faith, and, with God's help, I believe that unity in this country is possible. Not perfectly, for we are imperfect people and an imperfect union but sufficient enough to keep us all believing in and working to realize the ideals of the United States of America, ideals expressed in the Declaration of Independence, with its assertion of innate human equality and dignity. And we are right to pray for God's help as we seek unity, for we need God's help, but only if we ourselves are willing to tend to the foundations upon which unity depends, like Jesus's analogy of building a House of faith on the rock of his teachings as opposed to building a house on sand. The foundations we need for unity must be sturdy enough to withstand the many storms that threaten it. And, so what are they, the foundations of unity?

Drawing from our sacred traditions and texts, let me suggest that there are at least three. The first foundation for unity is honoring the inherent dignity of every human being, which is, as all the faiths represented here affirm, the birthright of all people as children of our one God. In public discourse, honoring each other's dignity means refusing to mock or discount or demonize those with whom we differ, choosing instead to respectfully debate our differences and whenever possible to seek common ground. And if common ground is not possible, dignity demands that we remain true to our convictions without contempt for those who hold convictions of their own.

Second foundation for unity is honesty, in both private conversation and public discourse. If we are not willing to be honest, there is no use in praying for unity because our actions work against the prayers themselves. We might, for a time, experience a false sense of unity among some but not the sturdier broader unity that we need to address the challenges that we face. Now to be fair we don't always know where the truth lies, and there is a lot working against the truth now. But when we do know, when we know what is true, it is incumbent upon us to speak the truth, even when, especially when it costs us.

On the third and last foundation, I'll mention today is, foundation for unity, is humility, which we all need, because we are all fallible human beings. We make mistakes. We say and do things that we later regret. We have our blind spots and our biases. And perhaps we are most dangerous to ourselves and others when we are persuaded without a doubt that we are absolutely right and someone else is absolutely wrong, because then we are just a few steps from labeling ourselves as the good people versus the bad people. And the truth is that we are all people. We are both capable of good and bad. Alexander Solzhenitsyn once astutely observed that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, not between classes, nor between political parties, but through, right through every human heart, through all human hearts. And the more we realize this, the more room we have within ourselves for humility and openness to one another across our differences, because in fact we are more like one another than we realize, and we need each other. Unity is relatively easy to pray for on occasions of great solemnity. It's a lot harder to realize when we're dealing with real differences in our private lives and in the public arena. But without unity, we're building our nation's house on sand, and with a commitment to unity that incorporates diversity and transcends disagreement and with the solid foundations of dignity, honesty, and humility that such unity requires, we can do our part and in our time to realize the ideals and the dream of America.

Let me make one final plea, Mr. President.

Millions have put their trust in you and, as you told the nation yesterday, you have felt the providential hand of a loving God. In the name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now. There are gay, lesbian, and transgender children in Democratic, Republican and Independent families, some who fear for their lives. And the people, the people who pick our crops and clean our office buildings, who labor in poultry farms and meat packing plants, who wash the dishes after we eat in restaurants and work the night shifts in hospitals. They, they may not be citizens or have the proper documentation, but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals. They pay taxes and are good neighbors. They are faithful members of our churches and mosques, synagogues, wadara and temples. I ask you to have mercy, Mr. President, on those in our communities whose children fear that their parents will be taken away and that you help those who are fleeing war zones and persecution in their own lands, to find compassion and welcome here. Our God teaches us that we are to be merciful to the stranger for we were all once strangers in this land. May God grant us the strength and courage to honour the dignity of every human being, to speak the truth to one another in love and walk humbly with each other and our God for the good of all people. The good of all people in this nation and the world.

Amen.




I'm glad to have you single out the words you didn't like.
chazzed
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concordtom said:

chazzed said:

Commandments for thee but not for me.





It's sickening, actually.
Sickening that millions of Christian Americans don't recognize it.
Those people are Republicans before anything else. Before Americans. Before Christians.
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