What would happen if the Trump administration ignored a court order?

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I'm not much for starting threads anymore, but this may turn out to be a crucial issue, and if I post it in the Trump Administration thread it will immediately get jettisoned into obscurity by BI MAGA that windmill post.

This 2017 article is from Trump I, but the discussion is even more relevant today in the current Duumvirate where Trump/Musk are violating the law daily, litigation is being used to counter them, and court orders are being issued.

What would happen if the Trump administration ignored a court order?


https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/what_would_happen_if_trump_ignored_a_court_order_law_profs_consider_the_iss

"The Post considered whether other presidents have ignored court orders. Most cited is President Andrew Jackson's reaction to a Supreme Court decision striking down a Georgia law that allowed for the seizure of Native American lands. Jackson supported Georgia's claim to sovereignty over the land, and either ignored the decision or declined to get involved, according to the Post. This led to what's known as the Trail of Tears, in which about a quarter of the Cherokee people forced by the U.S. Army to travel from Georgia to territory west of the Mississippi River perished, according to the Cherokee Nation.

Some have attributed this statement to Jackson about the justice who wrote the Supreme Court decision, though it's not clear if Jackson actually said it: "John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it."

*There is a reason Trump idolizes Andrew Jackson. I predict Trump refuses to obey certain court orders, even if upheld by SCOTUS, and like in the case of Andrew Jackson, no action will be taken to enforce it, and that will be when we cross line into a new form of government.


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Republicans would defend the move and call it brilliant out-of-the-box thinking.
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Alarm as JD Vance rips 'illegal' court order pausing DOGE access to Treasury | The Independent


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jd-vance-doge-treasury-constitution-b2695120.html

"Experts and officials expressed alarm on Sunday after Vice President JD Vance suggested federal courts "aren't allowed" to limit the White House's "legitimate power."

The controversy began on Sunday morning, when Vance tweeted his views on executive power.

"If a judge tried to tell a general how to conduct a military operation, that would be illegal," he wrote on X. "If a judge tried to command the attorney general in how to use her discretion as a prosecutor, that's also illegal. Judges aren't allowed to control the executive's legitimate power."

"Meanwhile, Liza Goitein, co-director of the Liberty and National Security Program at the Brennan Center for Justice, wrote on X that Vance's comments suggested the Trump administration was "gearing up to defy a court order," a moment that represented "the battle lines for our democracy have been drawn."

*If Trump refuses to follow a court order relating to DOGE, we have a de facto totalitarian state. Only the military can stop him and I think it backs him.

*When the man with access to the nuclear codes is obsessed with renaming gulfs and mountains, banning the penny, pardoning J6 attempted cop murderers, derailing the prosecution of a crooked mayor, pardoning a crooked governor, and mean girl tweeting Taylor Swift after the SB, I'd say we have big f@ucking problems.
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CNN host loses it at GOP black sheep Scott Jennings



https://mol.im/a/14383447

Trump is clearly having his surrogates in the media lay pipe for this concept. It's called preconditioning.


"Several legal scholars tell Adam Liptak, who covers the Supreme Court for the N.Y. Times, that the U.S. is in the midst of a constitutional crisis, by the definition of "presidential defiance of laws and judicial rulings. It is not binary: It is a slope, not a switch. It can be cumulative."

Trump told Fox News' Bret Baier during his Super Bowl interview, discussing USAID and the work of Elon Musk: "I think judges will have to do the right thing, really. Otherwise, you're going to have a whole big problem with the country."
-Axios
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With this much losing, it won't be long before Elonald snaps and defies the courts.


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bearister said:

What would happen if the Trump administration ignored a court order?
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"All of which raises a final, perilous question: What if the Trump regime ignores the supreme court just as it has ignored lower courts?

In his 2024 year-end report on the federal judiciary, Chief Justice John Roberts anticipated this possibility, noting that judicial independence "is undermined unless the other branches [of government] are firm in their responsibility to enforce the court's decrees."

Roberts mentioned defiance by southern governors of the supreme court's 1954 ruling in Brown v Board of Education. Their defiance required that federal troops enforce the supreme court's decision.

Roberts then commented on more recent defiance:

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'Within the past few years … elected officials from across the political spectrum have raised the specter of open disregard for federal court rulings. These dangerous suggestions, however sporadic, must be soundly rejected.'

There's no secret whom Roberts was referring to. His first initials are JD and he ought to know better. Vance graduated Yale Law School Class of 2013, and his wife, Usha, clerked for Roberts from 2017 to 2018.

Yet Vance said on a 2021 podcast: "When the courts stop you, stand before the country like Andrew Jackson did and say: 'The chief justice has made his ruling. Now let him enforce it.'"
-Robert Reich, The Guardian
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