The dude who killed those 4 students was feeling cornered. All his defense approaches evaporating and his dna on the knife next to dead bodies.
No alibi.
No alternative killer.
Cell phone data showing him in the area.

Uh… that's Really bad.

So he has reached a deal to keep him from the death sentence.
But the families of the victims are pissed. They want him guillotined!

Now they must immediately get their butts to court to voice their opposition to the judge, who can reject the agreement made between prosecutors and defense and force the trial.

Interesting issues.

Just put the mother f@ucker in gen pop like they did Jeffrey Dahmer and Whitey Bulger….or if he is put in P.C. like Father John Geoghan, they can just look the other way and……

Kohberger can get Gallaghered just like those 3 waste of space sh@it stains did.

Who would last longer in such a scenario, Kohburger or my favorite fat ****?

The answer might seem obvious (Kohburger) except one should never underestimate the power of sly Survivor Island contestants.
Or is Lord of the Flies more apropos?

It's a tough one for the families but it's probably a prudent decision by the state.

This plea deal (on a Sunday of all days) looks "dirty"

State District Judge Steven Hippler must approve the deal and will oversee a hearing in the case at 11 a.m. today, during which the plea agreement will be addressed,

It was announced yesterday that the defendant does not have to allocute - explain how, when, why he committed the murder. Something does feel off about this plea deal.

What is so fishy or dirty about someone pleading guilty for a life sentence? Isn't this a good thing for the justice system? We avoid trial and costly appeals and the defendant is in jail for life, right?

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It was announced yesterday that the defendant does not have to allocute - explain how, when, why he committed the murder. Something does feel off about this plea deal.

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After nearly 3 years of waiting and being told there would be a trial, with evidence presented to convict Kohberg and seek the death penalty - - - the prosecutors are bailing out on these families. The Goncalves family wasn't even called about the plea, and merely received an email with a letter attached.

"The offer was made on a Sunday, and then two days later, we're supposed to go to court on Fourth of July weekend? Can people not see what's going on here?" Goncalves said. "This is ridiculous. Nothing moved in this case for a year. And then in three days, it's over."

I would have to agree that the State of Idaho has failed these families.
And it does not send the proper "deterrent" message.

white on white crime

I have not been following the case closely lately. I think there was a recent something about evidence leaked from the prosecution/police to NBC, which ended up in a Dateline show (that I watched). I don't know if they already had a hearing about suppressing that evidence but if not maybe the prosecution is worried that they are on the cusp of losing some of their most powerful evidence. I don't know. But something feels off and generally prosecutors don't just throw in the towel on cases, much less ones that could be career types cases. I mean, if you've dreamed of being a prosecutor this is THE case of your career. It doesn't make much sense.

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I have not been following the case closely lately. I think there was a recent something about evidence leaked from the prosecution/police to NBC, which ended up in a Dateline show (that I watched). I don't know if they already had a hearing about suppressing that evidence but if not maybe the prosecution is worried that they are on the cusp of losing some of their most powerful evidence. I don't know. But something feels off and generally prosecutors don't just throw in the towel on cases, much less ones that could be career types cases. I mean, if you've dreamed of being a prosecutor this is THE case of your career. It doesn't make much sense.

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That hearing was back in mid-February.

The judge denied several motions presented by defense attorneys to dismiss the use of certain evidence and search warrants.

Kohberger's defense team had filed motions that would prevent the prosecution of using DNA evidence, digital evidence, and evidence obtained through search and arrest warrants in the trial.

Remember, Kohberger's DNA was found on a knife sheath on a bed close to Madison Mogen.

Oh, believe me, I have followed this enough to believe with absolute certainty that he did it. And I'm a guy who trends toward seeing things through the eyes of the accused. I have no doubt about his guilt.

I hope we eventually learn what the prosecutors are thinking and why they took this particular deal. I could see doing the deal if he fully allocutes and gives the families answers. But this? It is a head scratcher.

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What is so fishy or dirty about someone pleading guilty for a life sentence? Isn't this a good thing for the justice system? We avoid trial and costly appeals and the defendant is in jail for life, right?

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The people of Idaho do end up paying to keep him in jail for the next 50 or so years though, so there is that ongoing cost.

oski003 said:

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What is so fishy or dirty about someone pleading guilty for a life sentence? Isn't this a good thing for the justice system? We avoid trial and costly appeals and the defendant is in jail for life, right?

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It is that he got a deal that equals his best realistic trial outcome. He gave up nothing of meaning to get that deal.

tequila4kapp said:

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oski003 said:

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What is so fishy or dirty about someone pleading guilty for a life sentence? Isn't this a good thing for the justice system? We avoid trial and costly appeals and the defendant is in jail for life, right?

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It is that he got a deal that equals his best realistic trial outcome. He gave up nothing of meaning to get that deal.

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His best real trial outcome is certainly better than life in jail without parole. OJ was found not guilty.

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oski003 said:

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What is so fishy or dirty about someone pleading guilty for a life sentence? Isn't this a good thing for the justice system? We avoid trial and costly appeals and the defendant is in jail for life, right?

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The people of Idaho do end up paying to keep him in jail for the next 50 or so years though, so there is that ongoing cost.

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"The death penalty is far more expensive than a system utilizing life-without-parole sentences as an alternative punishment."

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/policy/costs

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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oski003 said:

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What is so fishy or dirty about someone pleading guilty for a life sentence? Isn't this a good thing for the justice system? We avoid trial and costly appeals and the defendant is in jail for life, right?

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The people of Idaho do end up paying to keep him in jail for the next 50 or so years though, so there is that ongoing cost.

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"The death penalty is far more expensive than a system utilizing life-without-parole sentences as an alternative punishment."

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/policy/costs

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True, but a substantial portion of the judicial costs to convict someone for the death penalty have already been spent in this case. Ordinarily I don't approve of the death penalty because of the chance of killing a wrongly convicted person, but the evidence seems overwhelming in this case.

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tequila4kapp said:

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oski003 said:

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What is so fishy or dirty about someone pleading guilty for a life sentence? Isn't this a good thing for the justice system? We avoid trial and costly appeals and the defendant is in jail for life, right?

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It is that he got a deal that equals his best realistic trial outcome. He gave up nothing of meaning to get that deal.

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His best real trial outcome is certainly better than life in jail without parole. OJ was found not guilty.

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Based on currently known information the probability of him being found not guilty is virtually non-existent.

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oski003 said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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oski003 said:

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What is so fishy or dirty about someone pleading guilty for a life sentence? Isn't this a good thing for the justice system? We avoid trial and costly appeals and the defendant is in jail for life, right?

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The people of Idaho do end up paying to keep him in jail for the next 50 or so years though, so there is that ongoing cost.

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"The death penalty is far more expensive than a system utilizing life-without-parole sentences as an alternative punishment."

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/policy/costs

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True, but a substantial portion of the judicial costs to convict someone for the death penalty have already been spent in this case. Ordinarily I don't approve of the death penalty because of the chance of killing a wrongly convicted person, but the evidence seems overwhelming in this case.

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Aren't most of the expenses tied to the appeals?

Either way, Idaho doesn't strike me as a state that's inclined to forego the death penalty to save a few bucks. Something else is afoot with this one IMO.

tequila4kapp said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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oski003 said:

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What is so fishy or dirty about someone pleading guilty for a life sentence? Isn't this a good thing for the justice system? We avoid trial and costly appeals and the defendant is in jail for life, right?

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It is that he got a deal that equals his best realistic trial outcome. He gave up nothing of meaning to get that deal.

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His best real trial outcome is certainly better than life in jail without parole. OJ was found not guilty.

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Based on currently known information the probability of him being found not guilty is virtually non-existent.

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It's shocking that you had to actually point this out to Oski.
Doesn't sound like he knows anything about this case.

He's always comparing apples to oranges.
Typical.

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tequila4kapp said:

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oski003 said:

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What is so fishy or dirty about someone pleading guilty for a life sentence? Isn't this a good thing for the justice system? We avoid trial and costly appeals and the defendant is in jail for life, right?

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It is that he got a deal that equals his best realistic trial outcome. He gave up nothing of meaning to get that deal.

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His best real trial outcome is certainly better than life in jail without parole. OJ was found not guilty.

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Based on currently known information the probability of him being found not guilty is virtually non-existent.

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It's shocking that you had to actually point this out to Oski.
Doesn't sound like he knows anything about this case.

He's always comparing apples to oranges.
Typical.

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It is not shocking that you make an asinine post like this. You can't quit personal attacking me. You can't.

Again, life imprisonment is a serious penalty for a serious crime. There are countries and states who have banned the death penalty. It doesn't sound like you know anything about much of anything.

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DiabloWags said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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oski003 said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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oski003 said:

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What is so fishy or dirty about someone pleading guilty for a life sentence? Isn't this a good thing for the justice system? We avoid trial and costly appeals and the defendant is in jail for life, right?

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It is that he got a deal that equals his best realistic trial outcome. He gave up nothing of meaning to get that deal.

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His best real trial outcome is certainly better than life in jail without parole. OJ was found not guilty.

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Based on currently known information the probability of him being found not guilty is virtually non-existent.

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It's shocking that you had to actually point this out to Oski.
Doesn't sound like he knows anything about this case.

He's always comparing apples to oranges.
Typical.

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It is not shocking that you make an asinine post like this. You can't quit personal attacking me. You can't.

Again, life imprisonment is a serious penalty for a serious crime. There are countries and states who have banned the death penalty. It doesn't sound like you know anything about much of anything.

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I'm not attacking you "personally".
It's the ridiculous logic that you repeatedly present here.
It's the same old "pattern" over and over by you.

Your logic is as twisted and conflating as it gets in this forum.
But for some reason, you just keep doubling down on more CONFLATION.

For example, you can talk all you want about how OJ SIMPSON was acquitted and how there are other states and countries that have banned the death penalty. But it has no bearing on what happened here in IDAHO given that IDAHO HAS THE DEATH PENALTY!

In fact, IDAHO has long embraced capital punishment since it became a state in 1890.

In fact, IDAHO just recently passed legislation that makes death by a FIRING SQUAD the primary method of execution, effective July 1st, 2026, making IDAHO the first state in the nation to do so.

But leave it to you to babble on and on about things that have NOTHING to do with this case.
You are the Poster Child for conflation.

"…..generally prosecutors don't just throw in the towel on cases…."
That may be the first time I have heard a plea deal of life without parole described as "throwing in the towel."

My guess is regardless of what they promised him, his head is going to look like a bowel of guacamole within a year or two behind bars.

Proposed thread theme song:




And I turned twenty-one in prison doin' life without parole
No one could steer me right but Mama tried, Mama tried
Mama tried to raise me better, but her pleading, I denied
That leaves only me to blame 'cause Mama tried
Merle Haggard

What I mean is they seemingly have an airtight case, at least 1 of the victim families is dead set against the plea and they got nothing in exchange for the plea.

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"…..generally prosecutors don't just throw in the towel on cases…."
That may be the first time I have heard a plea deal of life without parole described as "throwing in the towel."

My guess is regardless of what they promised him, his head is going to look like a bowel of guacamole within a year or two behind bars.

Proposed thread theme song:




And I turned twenty-one in prison doin' life without parole
No one could steer me right but Mama tried, Mama tried
Mama tried to raise me better, but her pleading, I denied
That leaves only me to blame 'cause Mama tried
Merle Haggard

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Good song.

I'll designate this as the B side of the imaginary Thread Theme song. A Dead cover of a Stones cover of a Bobby Womack song. Both covers are great:

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The OJ example is a good example of someone getting acquitted against a massive pile of guilty evidence.

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For many, the OJ Simpson trial wasn't so much about evidence as much as it was about RACE.
RACE was the overriding factor in his acquittal.

Of the 24 jurors and alternates . . . 15 were black, 6 were white, and 3 were hispanic.
All this, in a county that was just 11% black.

All 12 of the jurors who ultimately decided the case were Democrats.

5 said that they or a family member had "endured a negative experience with law enforcement"

5 thought it acceptable to use force on a family member.

9 rented homes; 3 owned a home.

Only 2 graduated from college.

None read the newspaper regularly.

And 9 (three quarters of the jury) thought that OJ was less likely to have murdered his wife because he had excelled at football.

- - - Jeffrey Toobin, "The Run of His Life"


'The People v. OJ Simpson': 12 Facts About the Jury - TheWrap

DiabloWags said:

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oski003 said:

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The OJ example is a good example of someone getting acquitted against a massive pile of guilty evidence.

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For many, the OJ Simpson trial wasn't so much about evidence as much as it was about RACE.
RACE was the overriding factor in his acquittal.

Of the 24 jurors and alternates . . . 15 were black, 6 were white, and 3 were hispanic.
All this, in a county that was just 11% black.

All 12 of the jurors who ultimately decided the case were Democrats.

5 said that they or a family member had "endured a negative experience with law enforcement"

5 thought it acceptable to use force on a family member.

9 rented homes; 3 owned a home.

Only 2 graduated from college.

None read the newspaper regularly.

And 9 (three quarters of the jury) thought that OJ was less likely to have murdered his wife because he had excelled at football.

- - - Jeffrey Toobin, "The Run of His Life"


'The People v. OJ Simpson': 12 Facts About the Jury - TheWrap

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That's fine. It is still an example of someone being acquitted of first degree murder against a massive pile of evidence. Thanks.

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That's fine. It is still an example of someone being acquitted of first degree murder against a massive pile of evidence. Thanks.

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Interesting comment from someone that never posted that they thought that Kohberger would be acquitted.
Your "whataboutism" is duly noted.

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oski003 said:

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That's fine. It is still an example of someone being acquitted of first degree murder against a massive pile of evidence. Thanks.

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Interesting comment from someone that never posted that they thought that Kohberger would be acquitted.
Your "whataboutism" is duly noted.

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Interesting comment from someone that thinks I give a crap whether whoever "they" is thought that Kohberger would be acquitted.
Your "notunderstandingbasiclogic" is duly noted.

There is a school of thought that would say the Diddy trial indicates we have a socio-economic problem in this country, not a race problem.
If you have enough wealth, it really doesn't matter what color you are.

"We all want justice but you got to have the money to buy it
You'd have to be a fool to close your eyes and deny it
There's a lot of poor people who are walking the streets of my town
Too blind to see that justice is used to do them right down

All life from beginning to end
You pay your monthly installments
Next to health is wealth
And only wealth will buy you justice

There'll always be a fool who insists on taking his chances
And that is the man who believes in true love romances
He will trust and rely on the foodness of human nature
Now a judge will tell you that's a pathetic creature

All life from beginning to end
You pay your monthly installments
Next to health is wealth
And only wealth will buy you justice

Money, justice
Money and justice
Money, justice"
Alan Price

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white on white crime

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Diddy.
Black on black crime.

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going4roses said:

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white on white crime

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Diddy.
Black on black crime.

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OJ, black on white crime Yes, G4R, he did it and a jury of his peers freed the scumbag!

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One case of jury nullification for a non white and y'all think it's a gotcha moment. Sike
What happened to the evil lying white woman that got emmit till murdered or Tamir rice or Oscar grant and other innocent millions of souls lost

Most of the Police / slave patrol are inherently racist and liars. Can't come to court with unclean hands and expect the same result everytime but then again caucacity will always lead y'all to the default unjust for all persons.