Honestly we are Way down the rabbit hole and people that care (and I know that Hawaii Bear and others do) about this country you should care when the President calls for the military to use cities as "training grounds" and to "fight the enemy within".

I realize we are not supposed to call it fascism but what the F should we be calling THAT!!???!!!!

MAGA folks can state that we are very close to a red line here. Contact your congressman. State it in threads on X. Use your platform with other conservatives.

It is one thing (which I think is a subject for legitimate debate) to deploy force to protect ICE facilities when local law enforcement won't try to figure out a way to balance peaceful protest with legitimate and legal activities. But sending active duty military into cities for "training grounds" and identifying law enforcement as a "prime mission" of US military should be beyond the pale for every American. We fought a revolutionary war over this.

socaltownie said:

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when the President calls for the military to use cities as "training grounds" and to "fight the enemy within".

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You heard about Hegseth calling in 800 top military leaders. One star generals and above.

This is incredibly dangerous leadership.
Or bluster.
Time will tell.

Watch this, and there's obviously tons to read about it.

The maga crowd will never agree to anything that incriminates them.

I am certain I've never heard a more aggressive military speech in the history of the US military industrial complex in my life.
He says we can win any and all military conflict.

Apparently he never heard of MAD. And he's missing a very important possibility.




And what's he going to do if a random bomb goes off in Times Square?

Good luck.
All this does is heighten tensions and trigger fingers.

Mark this speech in history.
For when things flare, this should be replayed and reflected upon.

In the apocalyptic battle
between the "children of light" and the "children of darkness" the end justifies the means so there is no line Trump can cross that can be objectionable.




*Is this peace POTUS now a Neocon or a Neonazicon?

Humiliated Trump 'never been in room so silent' as he meets 800 military leaders
https://www.irishstar.com/news/politics/trump-faces-awkward-silence-tells-35990244?utm_source=app

concordtom said:

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I'm listening to this 45 minute speech , almost done. There was an early hoot of excitement but then it fell silent as he continued.

And he asked the assembled. "If this makes you feel uncomfortable, then please do the right thing and retire! But I know most of you" are fired up.

Honestly, there is some rationality to some of what he says. Toughen up and be fit. But 98% of it is incredibly horrifying. This is the type of leadership of madmen. We are not at war. But it sounds as if they have something planned.

The final 20 seconds is interesting as he leaves the stage. He says "move out and draw fire" (that's ominous), that we'll be hearing from Trump shortly. Final words looking directly into camera: "Because WE are the War Department."
Everyone is ordered to stand at attention. No applause. Serious Obedience!

Scary ****, man.

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Actually the fact they did not applaud is the ONLY good thing. The norm of being "apolitical" is at least getting a bit of respect - uniform military is prohibited from applauding a speech by pols.

It's a pretty ominous turn of events when the President and the Secretary of "War" consider Americans the "enemy within".

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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It's a pretty ominous turn of events when the President and the Secretary of "War" consider Americans the "enemy within".

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True.

All Trump had to do was conduct a video-conference call with his Generals.
This was so "over the top" that it certainly smells like a Dictatorship.

Despite the hyperbole, the victimhood, and cries of fascism from the left, it should be easy for the Democratic Party to field a moderate candidate who can appeal to the masses, and yet, they shoot themselves in the foot by choosing the wrong side of every 80/20 issue.

Bantamweight Body Buider guy in tight suit …err I mean Secretary of Defense doing a Ted Talk. Friggin' embarrassing.

This is like a scene from a parody. Drunken former army captain with a few years of active duty experience, lecturing the most experienced and accomplished members of the military on "how to be a good soldier"!?
My how far we've fallen.

Furthermore, go check out the r/army Reddit board. Lots of vets weighing in on this with informed opinions and not some fringe lefties or reactionaries as some are want…. or digest the useless uninformed BI takes

I read Trump's speech. He went on a stream of consciousness riff on Biden, the autopen, tariffs, Gulf of America, the Nobel Peace Prize (he really doesn't want it. Sure), going to war against the enemy within our nation, fake news, DEI, unfair college admission, the Supreme Court, and how Obama bops down stairs.
https://rollcall.com/factbase/trump/transcript/donald-trump-speech-department-of-defense-leaders-quantico-september-30-2025/


"What the f@uck was that?"

Welp https://t.co/vKOc71AMPb pic.twitter.com/N4lrifzPfM

— Ari Drennen (@AriDrennen) September 30, 2025

I admire the peaceful tone of your post.

I'm surprised you watched the whole thing. I wouldn't have if you didn't call my attention to it. When it comes to public speaking Trump is no Obama. At least he loves America and didn't try to " fundamentally change it" with his weaponization of words, anti-constitutional views and starting (or at least massively accelerating) the use of propaganda on American citizens.

I do not agree with using the military against civilians. Firefighters have been assassinated although I don't think on ladders.

The actions are legal. Part of the army oath is "all enemies foreign and domestic." Antifa is officially a terrorist organization. Ice agents deserve protection from massive numbers of radical left crazies. There are enemies within.

The training grounds comment was odd but true. Any time you are doing stuff it is a time to learn.

Spit is battery so they should be able to defend themselves

Fascist? If he sends army to kill key opponents like all the sick politicians and media figures praising political murder then 100% that would be fascist without a doubt. Sending the Army to back up police is not fascist. The are cleaning out terrorists and career criminals.

Are you opposed to the DC cleanup? Even the left Mayor publicly thanked Trump (or was I misled?)

55% of far left want Trump assassinated. That number seems close to the sentiment here. CT, SB, DW for sure…I'm pretty sure Dajo and bearister. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about any individual.

Fascism is killing a peaceful debator.
Fascism is calling everybody else a fascist right after your fascist shooter kills him intentionally putting targets on everybody.
25% of far left think political violence is good. There will be more shooters. Their intent is murderous. You are in denial if you can't see that

Hillary said MAGA needs to be reprogrammed and dajo said she is correct.

It's embarrassing that you all think MAGA are all racist and other horrible things. Majority of MAGA are constitutionalists. We want safety, transparency, only LEGAL immigration. Common sense stuff. We see through the BS weaponization of words that brainwashed liberals think are core human rights worth destroying the country for.

If Harris won do you have any doubt that Trump, Musk and all prominent conservatives would be in jail or dead now? Do you have any doubt that all media would mirror wikipedias list of banned sources? Any doubt that we would be like the UK getting jailed for posts that are anything but radical left?


Thank god Trump won. If he turns out to be as bad as you all believe then we were all fu@@ed anyways.


How bout some props for him negotiating to end 7 wars?
Props to merit instead of dangerous DEI?
Admire his restraint for respecting free speech and not shutting down the propaganda machine that repeatedly lies and promotes subversion and violence?
25 affidavits and pushing forward with lies to fit their narrative…shameful
Strong military with record enlistment…bravo


It could take a really bad turn for the worst. As of right now it's not a big deal.

Hegseth sees the world from the point of view of a not so terribly successful major in the National Guard, let that sink in. Trump comes from where "living in NYC was his "own personal Vietnam".

concordtom said:

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Hegseth:
" we have the strongest, most powerful, most lethal and most prepared military on the planet. That is true, full stop. Nobody can touch us. It's not even close."

Total lie!
We were touched on 9/11, and it changed America big time.

Quote:

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Overseas Military Setbacks

2004 - 2021: Afghanistan War: Despite two decades of effort, the Taliban regained control in 2021, marking a strategic failure.
2012: Benghazi Attack: Militants attacked U.S. diplomatic and CIA compounds in Libya, killing four Americans including Ambassador Chris Stevens.
2024: Houthi Attacks in Gulf of Aden: Yemen-based Houthis launched attacks on U.S. assets in the region.
2013: Boston Marathon Bombing: Killed 3 and injured hundreds.


Cyber and Intelligence Breaches

2015: OPM Data Breach: Chinese hackers stole sensitive data on over 22 million federal employees.
2020: SolarWinds Hack: A massive cyber-espionage campaign attributed to Russian actors infiltrated U.S. government networks.


Pre 9/11:

Beirut Barracks Bombing (1983)

Two truck bombs struck U.S. and French military barracks in Beirut.
Killed 241 U.S. service members, mostly Marines.
Perpetrated by Islamic Jihad (linked to Hezbollah and Iran).
Led to U.S. withdrawal from Lebanon.

USS Cole Bombing (2000)

Suicide bombers in a small boat attacked the destroyer while refueling in Yemen.
17 sailors killed, 39 injured.
Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility.

U.S. Embassy Bombings Kenya & Tanzania (1998)

Coordinated truck bombings killed 224 people, including 12 Americans.
Over 4,000 injured.
Marked Al-Qaeda's emergence as a global threat.

Khobar Towers Bombing Saudi Arabia (1996)

Truck bomb targeted U.S. Air Force housing.
19 U.S. airmen killed, hundreds wounded.
Blamed on Hezbollah Al-Hejaz, with suspected Iranian backing.

Pan Am Flight 103 Lockerbie Bombing (1988)

Bomb exploded over Scotland, killing 270 people, including 189 Americans.
Libyan agents later held responsible.

Iran Hostage Crisis (19791981)

52 American diplomats and citizens held hostage for 444 days.
U.S. military rescue attempt (Operation Eagle Claw) failed disastrously.

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Can anyone here say with confidence that a secret dirty bomb or worse will not just suddenly and randomly explode in a US city?

I think it's merely a matter of time!

And what will Hegseth do? Vaporize a city of 1M? What will that accomplish? Permission for like-kind retaliation? FAFO.

Hegseth's speech openly challenges our enemies to dare touch us. This is dangerous diplomacy!!!!!

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What evidence do you have that Hegseth would vaporize a large city because a bomb went off? His goal would merely be using federal resources to figure out who let off the dirty bomb and preventing it in the future so parts of a city do not get "vaporized." You sound crazy and illogical.

Extremely aggressive language.
KILL KILL KILL
NO RULES
JUST KILL AND KILL AGAIN.

He's breeding a warped department.
Next time I see someone in uniform I think I'll ask them if they Kill for a living.

Forget "protect and defend", it's kill time!!


Hegseth:
We are preparing every day. We have to be prepared for war, not for defense. We're training warriors, not defenders. We fight wars to win, not to defend.

We fight to win. We unleash overwhelming and punishing violence on the enemy.

We also don't fight with stupid rules of engagement. We untie the hands of our warfighters to intimidate, demoralize, hunt and kill the enemies of our country. No more politically correct and overbearing rules of engagement, just common sense, maximum lethality and authority for warfighters.

You kill people and break things for a living. You are not politically correct and don't necessarily belong always in polite society.

the Ivy League faculty lounges will never understand us. And that's okay, because they could never do what you do.





I think this is getting airtime abroad just like we display videos of their jihad camps in order rile up our public for war. "You see how crazy the Americans are? They are going to first strike us! We have to be ready to take the fight to them!"


It's a never ending escalation - until POP and all sanity is lost. War is Hell. Hegseth is a Warmonger!

VERY DANGEROUS!!!

Trump to the generals:

"If they spit, we hit."

"…urging troops who are harassed or assaulted by protesters to "get out of that car and do whatever the hell you want to do."
Axios


Jeffrey Miller, Kent State, May 4,1970


James Rector, Berkeley, May 15, 1969

HawaiiBear33 said:

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I admire the peaceful tone of your post.

I'm surprised you watched the whole thing. I wouldn't have if you didn't call my attention to it. When it comes to public speaking Trump is no Obama. At least he loves America and didn't try to " fundamentally change it" with his weaponization of words, anti-constitutional views and starting (or at least massively accelerating) the use of propaganda on American citizens.

I do not agree with using the military against civilians. Firefighters have been assassinated although I don't think on ladders.

The actions are legal. Part of the army oath is "all enemies foreign and domestic." Antifa is officially a terrorist organization. Ice agents deserve protection from massive numbers of radical left crazies. There are enemies within.

The training grounds comment was odd but true. Any time you are doing stuff it is a time to learn.

Spit is battery so they should be able to defend themselves

Fascist? If he sends army to kill key opponents like all the sick politicians and media figures praising political murder then 100% that would be fascist without a doubt. Sending the Army to back up police is not fascist. The are cleaning out terrorists and career criminals.

Are you opposed to the DC cleanup? Even the left Mayor publicly thanked Trump (or was I misled?)

55% of far left want Trump assassinated. That number seems close to the sentiment here. CT, SB, DW for sure…I'm pretty sure Dajo and bearister. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about any individual.

Fascism is killing a peaceful debator.
Fascism is calling everybody else a fascist right after your fascist shooter kills him intentionally putting targets on everybody.
25% of far left think political violence is good. There will be more shooters. Their intent is murderous. You are in denial if you can't see that

Hillary said MAGA needs to be reprogrammed and dajo said she is correct.

It's embarrassing that you all think MAGA are all racist and other horrible things. Majority of MAGA are constitutionalists. We want safety, transparency, only LEGAL immigration. Common sense stuff. We see through the BS weaponization of words that brainwashed liberals think are core human rights worth destroying the country for.

If Harris won do you have any doubt that Trump, Musk and all prominent conservatives would be in jail or dead now? Do you have any doubt that all media would mirror wikipedias list of banned sources? Any doubt that we would be like the UK getting jailed for posts that are anything but radical left?


Thank god Trump won. If he turns out to be as bad as you all believe then we were all fu@@ed anyways.


How bout some props for him negotiating to end 7 wars?
Props to merit instead of dangerous DEI?
Admire his restraint for respecting free speech and not shutting down the propaganda machine that repeatedly lies and promotes subversion and violence?
25 affidavits and pushing forward with lies to fit their narrative…shameful
Strong military with record enlistment…bravo


It could take a really bad turn for the worst. As of right now it's not a big deal.

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" The actions are legal. Part of the army oath is "all enemies foreign and domestic." Antifa is officially a terrorist organization. Ice agents deserve protection from massive numbers of radical left crazies. There are enemies within.

The training grounds comment was odd but true. Any time you are doing stuff it is a time to learn.

Spit is battery so they should be able to defend themselves

Fascist? If he sends army to kill key opponents like all the sick politicians and media figures praising political murder then 100% that would be fascist without a doubt. Sending the Army to back up police is not fascist. The are cleaning out terrorists and career criminals.

Are you opposed to the DC cleanup? Even the left Mayor publicly thanked Trump (or was I misled?)"

That is not correct. You left out the key object in the oath. Project the CONSTITUTION from all enemies foreign and domestic.

This is really key and I would argue foundational to the US system of government (and our history). Thus the army being used for domestic law enforcement is really problematic. While crime is BAD it isn't a threat to the constitution (in most cases).

I really would hope you would understand why that part of the oath is critical and rethrink some of what you wrote.

HawaiiBear33 said:

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If Harris won do you have any doubt that Trump, Musk and all prominent conservatives would be in jail or dead now? Do you have any doubt that all media would mirror wikipedias list of banned sources? Any doubt that we would be like the UK getting jailed for posts that are anything but radical left?

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I am very confident that Kamala Harris would not have put Elon Musk in jail. What is this fever dream you guys are having?

Trump saying it is ok to hit if a protestor spits skips the very important step of attempting to make a peaceful arrest for the offense first.