Massie social media post about the swamp (high importance)

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SBGold
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The Greg and Laura he mentions below are MAGA goons Greg Price and Laura Ingraham.

This is a very valuable read.

"Can you, the people, "vote your way out of this?"

Honestly, not if you get your news from these folks.

The swamp has tricks for deceiving the public, and most even work on congressmen. Here's an example of how Laura and Greg played along as happy tools of the swamp.

Please ask yourself why your own congressman has never talked about this. He either hasn't gotten this far in the game (80% chance), or he likes the way the swamp obscures what's going on (10% chance), or he dislikes the system but the price he'd pay for telling you is too high (10% chance). If a congressman sees this post and wants to debate me, I accept!

The House has rules we adopt at the beginning of each Congress. Honestly we should just use those - some go all the way back to Thomas Jefferson. Some are like Robert's Rules of Order which branched from House rules a century ago. But we have a rules committee that modifies the rules every week. I served on the rules committee for two years. When I was on the committee, I refused to vote for rules changes if the purpose was to mislead or obscure. Every week, the rules committee bends the rules to suit the Speaker, but you can't place the blame just on the committee or the Speaker. Every rules change must be approved by the whole House with a majority vote.

Rank and file congressmen are told to vote for these rules modifications each week for the sake of party loyalty because the rules are temporarily modified by the majority to keep the minority from using the permanent rules against us. This is partly true, so most congressmen never question beyond this.

Typically, every week the rules committee meets before other committees and writes a rules package to protect bills that will come to the floor that week. Then the whole house votes on this rules package early in the week before significant legislation comes to the floor. The vote is typically on party lines. Sometimes a block of congressmen in the majority will take the rules package hostage and withhold their vote to get something else that has nothing to do with the rules. I'm not a big fan of this, but after 13 years, my hands aren't completely clean of this tactic.

The high-road position that I try to maintain is that if the rules package is bad, you shouldn't vote for the rules package, and in general you shouldn't withhold your vote from a rules package if there's nothing wrong with the rules package… even if you disagree with the policy that is enabled to come to the floor by the rules package.

There are more details, but that's all you need to know to understand what I'm going to explain next.

This week the Speaker wanted to do two things outside of our base rules, so he put those inside of the rules package that also had the rules for bringing bills like the popular SAVE Act to the floor, knowing members would be afraid to vote against something associated with SAVE. THIS IS INTENTIONAL.

The Speaker wanted to circumvent the National Emergencies Act of 1976 to avoid voting on tariffs and he wanted to turn off the ban on bringing a spending bill to the floor the same day it's introduced.

The first rules package that came to the floor this week failed because myself and other republicans objected to it. The rules committee met again, wrote a new rules package without the tariff-trick, and we voted on the second rules package. I voted no but internet goons, like clockwork, characterized this as a vote against the SAVE Act.

The swamp used that second rules package to give them authority to pass a bill before anyone could read it. They hid that authority inside the rule for the SAVE act because they knew people like Laura and Greg would help them disparage anyone who didn't go along.

If you fell for Laura and Greg's slop you were cheering for the Pelosi doctrine that we should pass bills to see what's in them. If the rules package had failed, the rules committee would have written a better one and SAVE Act would have still come to the floor."
BearlySane88
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Booth as this is already in the other Massie thread but since you made another thread about it and boothed your own thread, I'm gonna pull a Wags and double post.
SBGold
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Petulant so early in the day, gotta love the commitment

Policia is to be avoided

ICE OUT
Aunburdened
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SBGold said:

The Greg and Laura he mentions below are MAGA goons Greg Price and Laura Ingraham.

This is a very valuable read.

"Can you, the people, "vote your way out of this?"

Honestly, not if you get your news from these folks.

The swamp has tricks for deceiving the public, and most even work on congressmen. Here's an example of how Laura and Greg played along as happy tools of the swamp.

Please ask yourself why your own congressman has never talked about this. He either hasn't gotten this far in the game (80% chance), or he likes the way the swamp obscures what's going on (10% chance), or he dislikes the system but the price he'd pay for telling you is too high (10% chance). If a congressman sees this post and wants to debate me, I accept!

The House has rules we adopt at the beginning of each Congress. Honestly we should just use those - some go all the way back to Thomas Jefferson. Some are like Robert's Rules of Order which branched from House rules a century ago. But we have a rules committee that modifies the rules every week. I served on the rules committee for two years. When I was on the committee, I refused to vote for rules changes if the purpose was to mislead or obscure. Every week, the rules committee bends the rules to suit the Speaker, but you can't place the blame just on the committee or the Speaker. Every rules change must be approved by the whole House with a majority vote.

Rank and file congressmen are told to vote for these rules modifications each week for the sake of party loyalty because the rules are temporarily modified by the majority to keep the minority from using the permanent rules against us. This is partly true, so most congressmen never question beyond this.

Typically, every week the rules committee meets before other committees and writes a rules package to protect bills that will come to the floor that week. Then the whole house votes on this rules package early in the week before significant legislation comes to the floor. The vote is typically on party lines. Sometimes a block of congressmen in the majority will take the rules package hostage and withhold their vote to get something else that has nothing to do with the rules. I'm not a big fan of this, but after 13 years, my hands aren't completely clean of this tactic.

The high-road position that I try to maintain is that if the rules package is bad, you shouldn't vote for the rules package, and in general you shouldn't withhold your vote from a rules package if there's nothing wrong with the rules package… even if you disagree with the policy that is enabled to come to the floor by the rules package.

There are more details, but that's all you need to know to understand what I'm going to explain next.

This week the Speaker wanted to do two things outside of our base rules, so he put those inside of the rules package that also had the rules for bringing bills like the popular SAVE Act to the floor, knowing members would be afraid to vote against something associated with SAVE. THIS IS INTENTIONAL.

The Speaker wanted to circumvent the National Emergencies Act of 1976 to avoid voting on tariffs and he wanted to turn off the ban on bringing a spending bill to the floor the same day it's introduced.

The first rules package that came to the floor this week failed because myself and other republicans objected to it. The rules committee met again, wrote a new rules package without the tariff-trick, and we voted on the second rules package. I voted no but internet goons, like clockwork, characterized this as a vote against the SAVE Act.

The swamp used that second rules package to give them authority to pass a bill before anyone could read it. They hid that authority inside the rule for the SAVE act because they knew people like Laura and Greg would help them disparage anyone who didn't go along.

If you fell for Laura and Greg's slop you were cheering for the Pelosi doctrine that we should pass bills to see what's in them. If the rules package had failed, the rules committee would have written a better one and SAVE Act would have still come to the floor."

Read more. Start fewer threads.
SBGold
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Gotta give you something to read, you're here all the time

ICE OUT
BearlySane88
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SBGold said:

Gotta give you something to read, you're here all the time

ICE OUT


Except it was already posted in the other Massie thread you started
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Flagged for the troll job
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SBGold said:

Flagged for the troll job


Did you really just flag yourself?
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Got you
brobear
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look into Massie's connection with Huffine
brobear
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a trans person just killed their wife and child at a hockey game in rhode island. the shooter was a huge massie supporter if you look at what's on their social media posts and reposts
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brobear said:

a trans person just killed their wife and child at a hockey game in rhode island. the shooter was a huge massie supporter if you look at what's on their social media posts and reposts


Is this one person statistically significant when it comes to being a Massie supporter?

They were also a supporter of MTG.

What's your point as it applies to Massie?


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DiabloWags said:

brobear said:

a trans person just killed their wife and child at a hockey game in rhode island. the shooter was a huge massie supporter if you look at what's on their social media posts and reposts


Is this one person statistically significant when it comes to being a Massie supporter?

They were also a supporter of MTG.

What's your point as it applies to Massie?





my point is what i said in my post. the shooter was a big massie supporter
DiabloWags
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brobear said:

DiabloWags said:

brobear said:

a trans person just killed their wife and child at a hockey game in rhode island. the shooter was a huge massie supporter if you look at what's on their social media posts and reposts


Is this one person statistically significant when it comes to being a Massie supporter?

They were also a supporter of MTG.

What's your point as it applies to Massie?





my point is what i said in my post. the shooter was a big massie supporter


The guy that killed Charlie Kirk grew up the son of Trump supporters.

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Cal88
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BearlySane88 said:






Didn't age well.
BearlySane88
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Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:






Didn't age well.


There's not gonna be a draft

Cal88
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BearlySane88 said:

Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:






Didn't age well.


There's not gonna be a draft




So voluntary conscription instead for Trump's next war of choice then?

Way to obfuscate.
BearlySane88
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Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:






Didn't age well.


There's not gonna be a draft




So voluntary conscription instead for Trump's next war of choice then?

Way to obfuscate.


Next war? What was the first war? I don't want a war either so I'm not sure why you're taking that route anyways. I would support some small scale military action but it's not my favorite idea either. I would like to see the Iranian people free from their regime. However, I don't think this will turn into a war.
Cal88
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BearlySane88 said:

Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:






Didn't age well.


There's not gonna be a draft




So voluntary conscription instead for Trump's next war of choice then?

Way to obfuscate.


Next war? What was the first war? I don't want a war either so I'm not sure why you're taking that route anyways. I would support some small scale military action but it's not my favorite idea either. I would like to see the Iranian people free from their regime. However, I don't think this will turn into a war.


I'm taking that route because Trump claimed he was against Forever Wars for Israel and is about to start potentially the biggest one yet.

We've destroyed Iran's economy, according to Bessent, if anything Iranians want us to leave them alone.
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BearlySane88
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Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:






Didn't age well.


There's not gonna be a draft




So voluntary conscription instead for Trump's next war of choice then?

Way to obfuscate.


Next war? What was the first war? I don't want a war either so I'm not sure why you're taking that route anyways. I would support some small scale military action but it's not my favorite idea either. I would like to see the Iranian people free from their regime. However, I don't think this will turn into a war.


I'm taking that route because Trump claimed he was against Forever Wars for Israel and is about to start potentially the biggest one yet.

We've destroyed Iran's economy, according to Bessent, if anything Iranians want us to leave them alone.


Again, I don't think this becomes a war.

Have you spoken to any Iranians on that claim?
BearlySane88
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Who said war was great?
DiabloWags
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BearlySane88 said:

Who said war was great?




Trump: 'Trade wars are good, and easy to win'
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Cal88
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BearlySane88 said:

Who said war was great?

Trump's boss, Bibi.

Quote:

Have you spoken to any Iranians on that claim?

Huge difference between Iranian expats, who tend to be middle class and secular, and the population in Iran which is overwhelmingly religious.

It's a bit like for Vietnam, I've never met a Vietnamese in CA who liked the government of Vietnam, but it is very popular at home.
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The tens of thousands who have been murdered recently probably would think differently
Cal88
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BearlySane88 said:

The tens of thousands who have been murdered recently probably would think differently


Source - VOA, BBC, etc?

More like a few thousands were killed, in many armed confrontations. Thousands of weapons have been smuggled in into Iran through foreign intelligence ops, along with thousands of Starlink terminals.

What your news and online outlets won't tell you is that millions were on the streets in Iranian cities in support of their government.



Basic fact about Iran: there are far more devout Muslims there than secular people. The former strongly support their government.
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Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

The tens of thousands who have been murdered recently probably would think differently


Source - VOA, BBC, etc?

More like a few thousands were killed, in many armed confrontations. Thousands of weapons have been smuggled in into Iran through foreign intelligence ops, along with thousands of Starlink terminals.

What your news and online outlets won't tell you is that millions were on the streets in Iranian cities in support of their government.



Basic fact about Iran: there are far more devout Muslims there than secular people. The former strongly support their government.



Why do you have issue with starlinks being smuggled in? Are you saying you're against Iranians having access to internet not controlled by the government?

Even if it's only thousands, which is debatable, are you saying you're okay with that?

Here's three different types of sources all saying 30,000+. Are they accurate, I don't know and likely nobody really does but I stand with Iranian people whether it's 6,000 or 30,000.

https://time.com/7357635/more-than-30000-killed-in-iran-say-senior-officials/

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/jan/27/iran-protests-death-toll-disappeared-bodies-mass-burials-30000-dead

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202601255198
Cal88
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BearlySane88 said:

Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

The tens of thousands who have been murdered recently probably would think differently


Source - VOA, BBC, etc?

More like a few thousands were killed, in many armed confrontations. Thousands of weapons have been smuggled in into Iran through foreign intelligence ops, along with thousands of Starlink terminals.

What your news and online outlets won't tell you is that millions were on the streets in Iranian cities in support of their government.



Basic fact about Iran: there are far more devout Muslims there than secular people. The former strongly support their government.



Why do you have issue with starlinks being smuggled in? Are you saying you're against Iranians having access to internet not controlled by the government?

Even if it's only thousands, which is debatable, are you saying you're okay with that?

Here's three different types of sources all saying 30,000+. Are they accurate, I don't know and likely nobody really does but I stand with Iranian people whether it's 6,000 or 30,000.


The Starlinks being smuggled in in large numbers is simply to illustrate that the rebel network in Iran had access to containerloads of smuggled items, which undoubtedly included weapons, and that the rebels were armed, and confronted Iranian authorities with those weapons. It doesn't look like the Iranian regime mowed down unarmed protestors by the thousands.

The series of protests that started recently were because of economic hardship due to the Iranian currency crashing, which according to Bessent himself was a direct result of US sanction policy and active measures to crash their currency. The regime change elements backed from outside piggybacked on these protests and turned them into armed confrontations. Is this really the best course of action if you stand with the Iranian people. What were the lessons learned from similar regime change operations led in that region, like Syria, Libya or Iraq?
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Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

The tens of thousands who have been murdered recently probably would think differently


Source - VOA, BBC, etc?

More like a few thousands were killed, in many armed confrontations. Thousands of weapons have been smuggled in into Iran through foreign intelligence ops, along with thousands of Starlink terminals.

What your news and online outlets won't tell you is that millions were on the streets in Iranian cities in support of their government.



Basic fact about Iran: there are far more devout Muslims there than secular people. The former strongly support their government.



Why do you have issue with starlinks being smuggled in? Are you saying you're against Iranians having access to internet not controlled by the government?

Even if it's only thousands, which is debatable, are you saying you're okay with that?

Here's three different types of sources all saying 30,000+. Are they accurate, I don't know and likely nobody really does but I stand with Iranian people whether it's 6,000 or 30,000.

Is this really the best course of action if you stand with the Iranian people. What were the lessons learned from similar regime change operations led in that region, like Syria, Libya or Iraq?


As a population under an Islamic dictator, yes it might be. It's also a matter of national security when their elected officials are chanting death to America repeatedly in sanctioned government venues.

I think those lessons learned were showcased in Venezuela. Nobody is for long term military engagement, including myself as I've already stated.
Cal88
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BearlySane88 said:

Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

The tens of thousands who have been murdered recently probably would think differently


Source - VOA, BBC, etc?

More like a few thousands were killed, in many armed confrontations. Thousands of weapons have been smuggled in into Iran through foreign intelligence ops, along with thousands of Starlink terminals.

What your news and online outlets won't tell you is that millions were on the streets in Iranian cities in support of their government.



Basic fact about Iran: there are far more devout Muslims there than secular people. The former strongly support their government.



Why do you have issue with starlinks being smuggled in? Are you saying you're against Iranians having access to internet not controlled by the government?

Even if it's only thousands, which is debatable, are you saying you're okay with that?

Here's three different types of sources all saying 30,000+. Are they accurate, I don't know and likely nobody really does but I stand with Iranian people whether it's 6,000 or 30,000.

Is this really the best course of action if you stand with the Iranian people. What were the lessons learned from similar regime change operations led in that region, like Syria, Libya or Iraq?


As a population under an Islamic dictator, yes it might be. It's also a matter of national security when their elected officials are chanting death to America repeatedly in sanctioned government venues.

I think those lessons learned were showcased in Venezuela. Nobody is for long term military engagement, including myself as I've already stated.


The main problem with Iran is that it is a sovereign nation, with a sovereign central bank. The same problem that Libya, Syria and Iraq had, from the perspective of neocons. There is a number of theocracies in the region, including Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, the latter being far more repressive than Iran's current government. So you know it has not been singled out for human rights.

America has been strangling Iran economically, and we also did them wrong by overthrowing their democratically elected government in one of the earliest modern color revolutions (look up Operation Ajax) and putting the Shah in place.
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BearlySane88 said:



I have a Photoshopped draft notice for all the Yes votes ready to go out.
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BearlySane88 said:

Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:






Didn't age well.


There's not gonna be a draft



How about "Don't"
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BearlySane88 said:

Here's three different types of sources all saying 30,000+. Are they accurate, I don't know and likely nobody really does but I stand with Iranian people whether it's 6,000 or 30,000.

https://time.com/7357635/more-than-30000-killed-in-iran-say-senior-officials/

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/jan/27/iran-protests-death-toll-disappeared-bodies-mass-burials-30000-dead

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202601255198

Forget the obvious propaganda and think about this rationally. You think Iran is capable of killing that many protesters in a couple of days of protests? Just by engaging your brain it's pretty easy to see that number was Israeli "Please fight more wars for us' propaganda.
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