Operation Epic Furry Energy Crisis Thread

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DiabloWags
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Supply?

Please tell me where all of this cheap crude oil production is supposed to come from in California?

What fields in CA are cost effective to tap into by major oil companies?

If you guessed the Monterey Shale, you'd be wrong.

Meanwhile, Alaska peaked at 2.0 mbpd in 1988 and is now roughly 450,000 bpd.

Can you say depletion?

Just the Facts.



DiabloWags
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oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

movielover said:

So the result is worse for the environment, including the use of filthy Bunker oil to fuel the container ships.


Sorry, this isnt close to being true when it comes to the Maritime business. Please educate yourself.

IMO 2020 Compliance: Following the 0.5% sulfur cap, Low-Sulfur Fuel Oil (LSFO) and Marine Gas Oil (MGO) became the new standard, replacing the heavy, high-sulfur fuels of the past.


These articles (and others) indicate that filthy bunker oil is still predominantly used.


Please educate yourself on regulations that went into effect in 2020.

https://e360.yale.edu/features/at-last-the-shipping-industry-begins-cleaning-up-its-dirty-fuels
oski003
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DiabloWags said:

oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

movielover said:

So the result is worse for the environment, including the use of filthy Bunker oil to fuel the container ships.


Sorry, this isnt close to being true when it comes to the Maritime business. Please educate yourself.

IMO 2020 Compliance: Following the 0.5% sulfur cap, Low-Sulfur Fuel Oil (LSFO) and Marine Gas Oil (MGO) became the new standard, replacing the heavy, high-sulfur fuels of the past.


These articles (and others) indicate that filthy bunker oil is still predominantly used.


Please educate yourself on regulations that went into effect in 2020.

https://e360.yale.edu/features/at-last-the-shipping-industry-begins-cleaning-up-its-dirty-fuels



Already did and the articles were written and published well after those regulations took effect. Thanks.
movielover
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DiabloWags said:

Supply?

Please tell me where all of this cheap crude oil production is supposed to come from in California?

What fields in CA are cost effective to tap into by major oil companies?

If you guessed the Monterey Shale, you'd be wrong.

Meanwhile, Alaska peaked at 2.0 mbpd and is now roughly 450,000 bpd.

Just the Facts.




Crude oil "production" - refining - happened at both Valero and Los Angeles (two sites). Three sites total.

Both Valero and Phillips66 refined oil from a mixture of sources international and domestic, including Alaska. They're especially critical given that our state has all of these boutique gasoline blends that not everyone can supply, which will therefore increase reduce supply options, increase complexity, and prices to consumers.

Both refineries produced our specialized, cleaner-burning gasoline, specifically California Reformulated Blendstock Gasoline for Oxygenate Blending (CARBOB) and Conventional Blendstock for Oxygenate Blending (CBOB).

Valero Benicia was also a major producer of asphalt, and expect price increases there as well and shorter price guarantees for contractors.

Paint products will also likely rise, as will jet fuel and diesel.

Given our number of refineries continue to decrease (by Democrat design), we'll be even more susceptible to price spikes when Supply shortages / bottlenecks hit. Oil coming from India or South America is more risky.

Chevron could also close, which would be a massive blow to the 5th largest economy in the world.

We're losing Supply, flexibility, refining capacity, skills, and knowledge, while refineries elsewhere often use subpar processes, spewing more pollution into the environment. And that air doesn't stay in South America or India. Business people like options, flexibility, redundancy, and we lose a lot there.

Democrats have made our Supply Chain even more vulnerable. If we hit $7, $8, $10 a gallon (bottleneck), as some academics have predicted, yes, $4.50 a gallon will look "cheap".

P.S. Chevron corporate already left our state.
movielover
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Then there are the unintended consequences of never ending higher Prices. Businesses fleeing blue states to red. Energy, regulations, theft, crime, insurance, fire insurance... and then the impending billionaires tax, which supposedly can become a millionaires tax without a new vote. Just like the new top-secret State Capitol with hidden hallways, allowing Legislators to take 'controversial votes' and not have to answer to the press.
SBGold
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Wags killed you all the MAGA arguments with tonight's posts on this subject.

Welcome back Wags.

Choose Kindness
DiabloWags
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There is certainly a most bizarre Dunning-Kruger effect that has taken a hold of this thread.

The conflation here is puzzling to say the least.
Makes no sense.



DiabloWags
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movielover said:

DiabloWags said:

Supply?

Please tell me where all of this cheap crude oil production is supposed to come from in California?

What fields in CA are cost effective to tap into by major oil companies?

If you guessed the Monterey Shale, you'd be wrong.

Meanwhile, Alaska peaked at 2.0 mbpd and is now roughly 450,000 bpd.

Just the Facts.




Crude oil "production" - refining - happened at both Valero and Los Angeles (two sites). Three sites total.




Sorry, but I asked a question about CRUDE OIL PRODUCTION.

Not refining.

You have to have crude oil (the input) before you can have (the output) of refining called gasoline.
movielover
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DiabloWags said:

movielover said:

DiabloWags said:

Supply?

Please tell me where all of this cheap crude oil production is supposed to come from in California?

What fields in CA are cost effective to tap into by major oil companies?

If you guessed the Monterey Shale, you'd be wrong.

Meanwhile, Alaska peaked at 2.0 mbpd and is now roughly 450,000 bpd.

Just the Facts.




Crude oil "production" - refining - happened at both Valero and Los Angeles (two sites). Three sites total.




Sorry, but I asked a question about CRUDE OIL PRODUCTION.

Not refining.

You have to have crude oil (the input) before you can have (the output) refining.



REFINING is a critical stage in oil production. Democrats are restricting Supply, limiting refining options, which will create more bottlenecks and raise costs.
DiabloWags
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movielover said:

DiabloWags said:

movielover said:

DiabloWags said:

Supply?

Please tell me where all of this cheap crude oil production is supposed to come from in California?

What fields in CA are cost effective to tap into by major oil companies?

If you guessed the Monterey Shale, you'd be wrong.

Meanwhile, Alaska peaked at 2.0 mbpd and is now roughly 450,000 bpd.

Just the Facts.




Crude oil "production" - refining - happened at both Valero and Los Angeles (two sites). Three sites total.




Sorry, but I asked a question about CRUDE OIL PRODUCTION.

Not refining.

You have to have crude oil (the input) before you can have (the output) of refining called gasoline.



REFINING is a critical stage in oil production. Democrats are restricting Supply, limiting refining options, which will create more bottlenecks and raise costs.


Refining has nothing to do with OIL PRODUCTION.
Refining is not a critical stage in oil production.

You sound confused.

oski003
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SBGold said:

Wags killed you all the MAGA arguments with tonight's posts on this subject.

Welcome back Wags.

Choose Kindness

Sorry, but I feel your adulation is interfering with your logic. For example, I posted articles about maritime pollution in 2023, and he asks me to reacquaint myself with a regulation that took immediate effect in 2020. Please follow along better before trashing others.
movielover
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You're either uninformed or dishonest. I've previously noted the numerous regulations, fees, CARB and California EPA requirements, and new laws Democrats used to create this burden on working men and women. Here are more:

- New oil drilling permits in California fell by 95% since Governor Gavin Newsom (D) took office in 2019, leading to a significant decline in in-state oil production. This is their plan.

- Newsom has prioritized phasing out oil extraction, implementing strict regulations on fracking, and pushing for a 91% reduction in state oil consumption by 2045.

- California has produced roughly 128,000 fewer barrels of oil per day over the past five years.

- Strict regulations, including a 2023 refinery price-cap law, contributed to voluntary exits and closures of major refineries.

Governor Gavin Newsom: Governor Newsom Takes Action to Phase Out Oil Extraction in California: 2021

""The climate crisis is real {It is, where?}, and we continue to see the signs every day," said Governor Newsom. "As we move to swiftly decarbonize our transportation sector..."

"Inclusion of the target in the Scoping Plan means that phasing out oil extraction becomes a part of California's [Democrat] blueprint to achieve economy-wide carbon neutrality by 2045. CARB will evaluate economic, environmental and health benefits and effects of eliminating oil extraction. ..."

"Earlier this week, the California Environmental Protection Agency announced the release of two independent studies that identify strategies to support the state's goal to dramatically reduce transportation fossil fuel demand and supply by 2045."

"...Develop and implement a just transition roadmap."

https://www.gov.ca.gov/2021/04/23/governor-newsom-takes-action-to-phase-out-oil-extraction-in-california/

California Democrats have sued to block the Santa Ynez offshore platform and pipeline near Santa Barbara.

Do working families think $2, $3, $4 a gallon extra is "just" for non-existent climate crisis and droughts?
 
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