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How about double dribbling and traveling no calls.
It is not just fouls that are bypassed.

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I light of how NBA men travel, etc., that doesn't bother me.

How is a defender supposed to guard an offensive player that picks his dribble up at the FT line and sprints through the paint? Never called.

Most NBA players brutally palm the ball while dribbling. Never called.

Most of them after receiving a pass shuffle to their 3 point launch spot. That is a travel. Never called.

Often an offensive player will receive a pass, bobble it, drop it the floor, pick it up and start dribbling. That is a double dribble. Never called.

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I once played against a kid, great athlete mind you, with one hand! He palmed the ball every damn dribble - and you couldn't complain one bit,
But I swear he was pulling up for a jump shot when all of a sudden he's racing past me for a layup. I was like W T F, and then he's looking at me like I'm a racist or something.

I later saw him on the city evening news for leading his high school to some championship. I think I must have been 22 at the time, lol.

I thought, "well, I know how that team won! Refs just let him do whatever he wanted!"

Just telling this still makes me laugh!

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Why would one hooper think another is racist?

They signed the blonde karate gal, but even her coach appears against her.

"Back in the day, most professional basketball teams had an "Enforcer", who would break up assaults like this, separate the offenders from the victim, and physically punish them, even sacrificing themselves, be physically restrained and removed from the game, fined and suspended."

This October 31, 1977 issue of SI had a feature article on enforcers. I have posted it on the hoop board before but I can't find it online anymore:



One of the featured Enforcers was Dennis Awtrey. When I was 11 I went to the Santa Clara Coaching Camp with my cousin. Dennis Awtrey and Ralph Ogden were in charge of our dorm. They were fresh out of high school about to start college at Santa Clara. Ralph's older brother, Bud, was already playing for Santa Clara.

All 3 made the NBA (not before being pasted by Lee Alcindor in the NCAA Tourney). Dennis had a long career. Bud and Ralph, not so much (their dad, Carlos Ogden, was awarded the Medal of Honor in WWII).


Dennis and Ralph at SCU

Dennis, Ralph and Bud

Carlos C. Ogden - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_C._Ogden

CC dropped 45 points last night in 29 minutes. Epic game.

movielover said:

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CC dropped 45 points last night in 29 minutes. Epic game.

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+10 assists. Game winning block and bucket at end of regulation.

SFCityBear said:

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movielover said:

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CC dropped 45 points last night in 29 minutes. Epic game.

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+10 assists. Game winning block and bucket at end of regulation.

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Great game. Here's another unrelated game, except that the ball and the basket were the same size.

March 18, 1968

LA Lakers at the Philadelphia 76ers

Wilt Chamberlain of the 76ers:

53 points, 32 rebounds, and 14 assists in 48 minutes

76ers won 158-128

Wilt also led the entire NBA in assists that season.

Wilt was guarded for 24 minutes by none other than our own Darrall Imhoff, who managed to score 10 points and grab 17 rebounds, but could not stop Wilt. Some years earlier, Darrall was also one of the Knicks guarding Wilt when Wilt went off for 100 points that night.

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Why was the game so high scoring? No 3 in the key?

Wilt was a beast. Never fouled out. Best story ever.

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movielover said:

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CC dropped 45 points last night in 29 minutes. Epic game.

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+10 assists. Game winning block and bucket at end of regulation.

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Great game. Here's another unrelated game, except that the ball and the basket were the same size.

March 18, 1968

LA Lakers at the Philadelphia 76ers

Wilt Chamberlain of the 76ers:

53 points, 32 rebounds, and 14 assists in 48 minutes

76ers won 158-128

Wilt also led the entire NBA in assists that season.

Wilt was guarded for 24 minutes by none other than our own Darrall Imhoff, who managed to score 10 points and grab 17 rebounds, but could not stop Wilt. Some years earlier, Darrall was also one of the Knicks guarding Wilt when Wilt went off for 100 points that night.

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Why was the game so high scoring? No 3 in the key?

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I would guess the game was high scoring, perhaps because it was almost the end of the season, and the 76ers might have wanted to bump up the scoring a bit, to send a message to the league entering the playoffs.

Or it could have been Chamberlain. The way and how he played on both ends of the floor often determined whether the game was going to be high scoring or not. He got a kick out of controlling games, like when Magic invited Wilt at age 50 or so to join Magic's barnstorming team of NBA players for some charity events. Wilt sat on the bench for the 1st half, which was a racehorse, high-scoring game. Magic put Wilt into the game for the second half. Wilt got all the players together, and told them, "There will be no more layups in this gym". And there weren't any more after that.

Tom Meschery tells this story about Wilt: "Wilt and I were walking to the arena prior to a game, and as we passed a certain cocktail bar or restaurant, Wilt began limping slightly, which he continued for a block or two. I asked Wilt if he was feeling OK. Wilt told me that there were some gamblers or bookies who frequented that bar, and they might change the spread for that game if they saw him limping before the game. He liked to mess with their heads."

I didn't understand your statement about "No 3 in the key". Did you mean a center who wore #3 not playing in the key? Ben Wallace wore #3 usually playing in the key, and he was a hall of famer, and might be able to slow Wilt slightly, but not really. Anthony Davis was the other center who wore #3, I think, and I give him no chance vs Wilt. Did you mean put 3 players on Wilt in the key? That was what most teams did, but it failed to stop him. He always had 3 men on him, or so it seemed. Except when he played against the Celtics, when Russell sometimes guarded Wilt all by himself. But even he usually had a little help.

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movielover said:

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CC dropped 45 points last night in 29 minutes. Epic game.

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+10 assists. Game winning block and bucket at end of regulation.

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Great game. Here's another unrelated game, except that the ball and the basket were the same size.

March 18, 1968

LA Lakers at the Philadelphia 76ers

Wilt Chamberlain of the 76ers:

53 points, 32 rebounds, and 14 assists in 48 minutes

76ers won 158-128

Wilt also led the entire NBA in assists that season.

Wilt was guarded for 24 minutes by none other than our own Darrall Imhoff, who managed to score 10 points and grab 17 rebounds, but could not stop Wilt. Some years earlier, Darrall was also one of the Knicks guarding Wilt when Wilt went off for 100 points that night.

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Why was the game so high scoring? No 3 in the key?

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I would guess the game was high scoring, perhaps because it was almost the end of the season, and the 76ers might have wanted to bump up the scoring a bit, to send a message to the league entering the playoffs.

Or it could have been Chamberlain. The way and how he played on both ends of the floor often determined whether the game was going to be high scoring or not. He got a kick out of controlling games, like when Magic invited Wilt at age 50 or so to join Magic's barnstorming team of NBA players for some charity events. Wilt sat on the bench for the 1st half, which was a racehorse, high-scoring game. Magic put Wilt into the game for the second half. Wilt got all the players together, and told them, "There will be no more layups in this gym". And there weren't any more after that.

Tom Meschery tells this story about Wilt: "Wilt and I were walking to the arena prior to a game, and as we passed a certain cocktail bar or restaurant, Wilt began limping slightly, which he continued for a block or two. I asked Wilt if he was feeling OK. Wilt told me that there were some gamblers or bookies who frequented that bar, and they might change the spread for that game if they saw him limping before the game. He liked to mess with their heads."

I didn't understand your statement about "No 3 in the key". Did you mean a center who wore #3 not playing in the key? Ben Wallace wore #3 usually playing in the key, and he was a hall of famer, and might be able to slow Wilt slightly, but not really. Anthony Davis was the other center who wore #3, I think, and I give him no chance vs Wilt. Did you mean put 3 players on Wilt in the key? That was what most teams did, but it failed to stop him. He always had 3 men on him, or so it seemed. Except when he played against the Celtics, when Russell sometimes guarded Wilt all by himself. But even he usually had a little help.

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Thanks for the story. I mean did NBA rules at the time allow centers to camp in the key without being called for "three in the key," which is a turnover in modern basketball?

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movielover said:

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CC dropped 45 points last night in 29 minutes. Epic game.

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+10 assists. Game winning block and bucket at end of regulation.

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Great game. Here's another unrelated game, except that the ball and the basket were the same size.

March 18, 1968

LA Lakers at the Philadelphia 76ers

Wilt Chamberlain of the 76ers:

53 points, 32 rebounds, and 14 assists in 48 minutes

76ers won 158-128

Wilt also led the entire NBA in assists that season.

Wilt was guarded for 24 minutes by none other than our own Darrall Imhoff, who managed to score 10 points and grab 17 rebounds, but could not stop Wilt. Some years earlier, Darrall was also one of the Knicks guarding Wilt when Wilt went off for 100 points that night.

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Why was the game so high scoring? No 3 in the key?

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I would guess the game was high scoring, perhaps because it was almost the end of the season, and the 76ers might have wanted to bump up the scoring a bit, to send a message to the league entering the playoffs.

Or it could have been Chamberlain. The way and how he played on both ends of the floor often determined whether the game was going to be high scoring or not. He got a kick out of controlling games, like when Magic invited Wilt at age 50 or so to join Magic's barnstorming team of NBA players for some charity events. Wilt sat on the bench for the 1st half, which was a racehorse, high-scoring game. Magic put Wilt into the game for the second half. Wilt got all the players together, and told them, "There will be no more layups in this gym". And there weren't any more after that.

Tom Meschery tells this story about Wilt: "Wilt and I were walking to the arena prior to a game, and as we passed a certain cocktail bar or restaurant, Wilt began limping slightly, which he continued for a block or two. I asked Wilt if he was feeling OK. Wilt told me that there were some gamblers or bookies who frequented that bar, and they might change the spread for that game if they saw him limping before the game. He liked to mess with their heads."

I didn't understand your statement about "No 3 in the key". Did you mean a center who wore #3 not playing in the key? Ben Wallace wore #3 usually playing in the key, and he was a hall of famer, and might be able to slow Wilt slightly, but not really. Anthony Davis was the other center who wore #3, I think, and I give him no chance vs Wilt. Did you mean put 3 players on Wilt in the key? That was what most teams did, but it failed to stop him. He always had 3 men on him, or so it seemed. Except when he played against the Celtics, when Russell sometimes guarded Wilt all by himself. But even he usually had a little help.

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Thanks for the story. I mean did NBA rules at the time allow centers to camp in the key without being called for "three in the key," which is a turnover in modern basketball?

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The three-second rule against offensive players lingering too long in the key was initiated in 1936, so Wilt played under that rule his entire college and NBA career.

In 2001, the NBA instituted a 3-second rule against defensive players, which does not allow them to camp in the key beyond 3 seconds. Some have slick ways of avoiding that call, just like players can occasionally avoid the call on offense by some trickery.

The biggest problem with the rules for Wilt was that for most of his career, maybe all of it, players were allowed to put their hands on him to try and hold him. He told Bill Russell once that if defenders were not allowed to hold him, put heir hands on him, he guessed he could average 75 points a game for a season.

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oski003 said:

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movielover said:

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CC dropped 45 points last night in 29 minutes. Epic game.

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+10 assists. Game winning block and bucket at end of regulation.

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Great game. Here's another unrelated game, except that the ball and the basket were the same size.

March 18, 1968

LA Lakers at the Philadelphia 76ers

Wilt Chamberlain of the 76ers:

53 points, 32 rebounds, and 14 assists in 48 minutes

76ers won 158-128

Wilt also led the entire NBA in assists that season.

Wilt was guarded for 24 minutes by none other than our own Darrall Imhoff, who managed to score 10 points and grab 17 rebounds, but could not stop Wilt. Some years earlier, Darrall was also one of the Knicks guarding Wilt when Wilt went off for 100 points that night.

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Why was the game so high scoring? No 3 in the key?

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I would guess the game was high scoring, perhaps because it was almost the end of the season, and the 76ers might have wanted to bump up the scoring a bit, to send a message to the league entering the playoffs.

Or it could have been Chamberlain. The way and how he played on both ends of the floor often determined whether the game was going to be high scoring or not. He got a kick out of controlling games, like when Magic invited Wilt at age 50 or so to join Magic's barnstorming team of NBA players for some charity events. Wilt sat on the bench for the 1st half, which was a racehorse, high-scoring game. Magic put Wilt into the game for the second half. Wilt got all the players together, and told them, "There will be no more layups in this gym". And there weren't any more after that.

Tom Meschery tells this story about Wilt: "Wilt and I were walking to the arena prior to a game, and as we passed a certain cocktail bar or restaurant, Wilt began limping slightly, which he continued for a block or two. I asked Wilt if he was feeling OK. Wilt told me that there were some gamblers or bookies who frequented that bar, and they might change the spread for that game if they saw him limping before the game. He liked to mess with their heads."

I didn't understand your statement about "No 3 in the key". Did you mean a center who wore #3 not playing in the key? Ben Wallace wore #3 usually playing in the key, and he was a hall of famer, and might be able to slow Wilt slightly, but not really. Anthony Davis was the other center who wore #3, I think, and I give him no chance vs Wilt. Did you mean put 3 players on Wilt in the key? That was what most teams did, but it failed to stop him. He always had 3 men on him, or so it seemed. Except when he played against the Celtics, when Russell sometimes guarded Wilt all by himself. But even he usually had a little help.

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Thanks for the story. I mean did NBA rules at the time allow centers to camp in the key without being called for "three in the key," which is a turnover in modern basketball?

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The three-second rule against offensive players lingering too long in the key was initiated in 1936, so Wilt played under that rule his entire college and NBA career.

In 2001, the NBA instituted a 3-second rule against defensive players, which does not allow them to camp in the key beyond 3 seconds. Some have slick ways of avoiding that call, just like players can occasionally avoid the call on offense by some trickery.

The biggest problem with the rules for Wilt was that for most of his career, maybe all of it, players were allowed to put their hands on him to try and hold him. He told Bill Russell once that if defenders were not allowed to hold him, put heir hands on him, he guessed he could average 75 points a game for a season.

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The only changes I see are that back then you can goaltend and the key was a lot narrower. Crazy that the 76ers traded him to the Lakers.