wifeisafurd said:
And what was the government seeking? To recover billions of dollars in federal research grants awarded to Harvard since October 2023 on matters that had nothing to do with anything where Jewish students or factually were discriminated against. Instead this is smokescreen for a targeted, ideologically-motivated assault.

wifeisafurd said:
Look Harvard did some stupid things in the Claudine Gay Administration that pissed off donors and maybe not intentionally, allowed a fair amount of anti-semitism and other biases. They paid a huge price from the donors and in their prestige, and they fixed their problems and in some ways maybe even overcorrected. They have had to make budget cuts and they paid a lot of money in lawsuits. At some point, Harvard has paid the price and shown other schools a good example what not do.
What good does it do to now cut research, a good portion of which btw is for the military or other important government projects? This is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Just dumb. End of sermon.
dajo9 said:wifeisafurd said:
Look Harvard did some stupid things in the Claudine Gay Administration that pissed off donors and maybe not intentionally, allowed a fair amount of anti-semitism and other biases. They paid a huge price from the donors and in their prestige, and they fixed their problems and in some ways maybe even overcorrected. They have had to make budget cuts and they paid a lot of money in lawsuits. At some point, Harvard has paid the price and shown other schools a good example what not do.
What good does it do to now cut research, a good portion of which btw is for the military or other important government projects? This is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Just dumb. End of sermon.
The impact on Harvard's prestige is nil
dajo9 said:wifeisafurd said:
Look Harvard did some stupid things in the Claudine Gay Administration that pissed off donors and maybe not intentionally, allowed a fair amount of anti-semitism and other biases. They paid a huge price from the donors and in their prestige, and they fixed their problems and in some ways maybe even overcorrected. They have had to make budget cuts and they paid a lot of money in lawsuits. At some point, Harvard has paid the price and shown other schools a good example what not do.
What good does it do to now cut research, a good portion of which btw is for the military or other important government projects? This is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Just dumb. End of sermon.
The impact on Harvard's prestige is nil
wifeisafurd said:dajo9 said:wifeisafurd said:
Look Harvard did some stupid things in the Claudine Gay Administration that pissed off donors and maybe not intentionally, allowed a fair amount of anti-semitism and other biases. They paid a huge price from the donors and in their prestige, and they fixed their problems and in some ways maybe even overcorrected. They have had to make budget cuts and they paid a lot of money in lawsuits. At some point, Harvard has paid the price and shown other schools a good example what not do.
What good does it do to now cut research, a good portion of which btw is for the military or other important government projects? This is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Just dumb. End of sermon.
The impact on Harvard's prestige is nil
Why don't you ever provide some evidence behind your blanket know it all statements? Kinda Trump like.
In fact, even the Harvard President has acknowledged that they lost prestige due to all the controversies, but "that is not permanent." He has stated that "Harvard's deep-rooted academic and research infrastructure remains fundamentally resilient." The Harvard Crimson is constantly complaining about lost is prestige as its President continues on his apology tour. Link: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2026/jan/5/alan-garber-harvard-president-universities-went-wrong-allowing/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=email_link&utm_source=emai
Drops in USNW&R and Princeton Review, rankings, reductions in applications, reduction in international academic rankings where they have fallen behind, other schools, including Chinese schools, where schools like Oxford, Cal and Stanford have not. I'm not suggesting that these declines means a Harvard degree doesn't carry immense weight - it does. It just means instead of being at the top, Harvard fell behind the competition in terms of what people at Harvard think and outside perception by people who follow these things. What are your credentials to make such a judgment?
dajo9 said:wifeisafurd said:dajo9 said:wifeisafurd said:
Look Harvard did some stupid things in the Claudine Gay Administration that pissed off donors and maybe not intentionally, allowed a fair amount of anti-semitism and other biases. They paid a huge price from the donors and in their prestige, and they fixed their problems and in some ways maybe even overcorrected. They have had to make budget cuts and they paid a lot of money in lawsuits. At some point, Harvard has paid the price and shown other schools a good example what not do.
What good does it do to now cut research, a good portion of which btw is for the military or other important government projects? This is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Just dumb. End of sermon.
The impact on Harvard's prestige is nil
Why don't you ever provide some evidence behind your blanket know it all statements? Kinda Trump like.
In fact, even the Harvard President has acknowledged that they lost prestige due to all the controversies, but "that is not permanent." He has stated that "Harvard's deep-rooted academic and research infrastructure remains fundamentally resilient." The Harvard Crimson is constantly complaining about lost is prestige as its President continues on his apology tour. Link: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2026/jan/5/alan-garber-harvard-president-universities-went-wrong-allowing/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=email_link&utm_source=emai
Drops in USNW&R and Princeton Review, rankings, reductions in applications, reduction in international academic rankings where they have fallen behind, other schools, including Chinese schools, where schools like Oxford, Cal and Stanford have not. I'm not suggesting that these declines means a Harvard degree doesn't carry immense weight - it does. It just means instead of being at the top, Harvard fell behind the competition in terms of what people at Harvard think and outside perception by people who follow these things. What are your credentials to make such a judgment?
I'm around enough Ivy League people to know the name "Harvard" still carries a weight unequaled by the other Ivies. It's still a conversation stopper unmatched by the others. Maybe the internal academic navel gazers have something to say but that is mostly irrelevant in the bigger picture.
bearister said:
I wonder how many quality students Cal loses because it won't let you know if you can be a business major until you are a junior. They lost my daughter over it.
DiabloWags said:bearister said:
I wonder how many quality students Cal loses because it won't let you know if you can be a business major until you are a junior. They lost my daughter over it.
When I applied to Haas after 2-years of pre-reqs, we were on the quarter system and only two quarters were open for admission.... Fall and Winter.
I believe Haas received 800 applications and only 85 got in.
I got in.
Everyone else became a PEIS major.
dajo9 said:
The President of Harvard is more worried about appeasing a handful of big donors than he is prestige.
DiabloWags said:bearister said:
I wonder how many quality students Cal loses because it won't let you know if you can be a business major until you are a junior. They lost my daughter over it.
When I applied to Haas after 2-years of pre-reqs, we were on the quarter system and only two quarters were open for admission.... Fall and Winter.
I believe Haas received 800 applications and only 85 got in.
I got in.
Everyone else became a PEIS major.
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I've read China is graduating more engineers than USA has in total. If that's true then they must have some excellent universities that the west is clueless about. What do they have that compares to our great schools, if any?
China's top institutions are well known in global academia, though they carry less household-name recognition in the West than MIT, Stanford, or Caltech.
China's elite higher education system is anchored by the C9 League - the Chinese equivalent of the Ivy League. In global STEM rankings, these schools regularly compete with, and in several sub-disciplines surpass, top American universities.
The Elite Tier (China's "Ivy League")
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Chinese University
US Equivalent Analogy
Core STEM Strengths
| Tsinghua University
| MIT / Stanford
| #1 in Engineering & Computer Science globally in multiple subject rankings. Powerhouse in AI, chip design, materials science, and civil engineering.
| Peking University (PKU)
| Harvard / UC Berkeley
| Stronger in fundamental sciences (physics, math, chemistry) and life sciences alongside humanities.
| Zhejiang University (ZJU)
| Georgia Tech / Purdue
| Massive engine for applied engineering, robotics, control theory, and commercial tech spin-offs.
| Shanghai Jiao Tong (SJTU)
| University of Michigan
| World-class naval architecture, mechanical engineering, biomedical engineering, and data science.
| Harbin Institute of Tech (HIT)
| Caltech / DARPA-linked R1
| Heavy industrial engineering, aerospace, defense technology, and advanced manufacturing.
| USTC (Univ. of Science & Tech)
| Princeton / Caltech
| Laser-focused on hard sciences: quantum computing, theoretical physics, and advanced chemistry.
Structural Differences: Mass Production vs. Elite Concentration
While the sheer volume of Chinese STEM graduates comes from hundreds of provincial universities, China's elite research output is driven by targeted state programs:
* Heavy Industry Integration: Schools like Shanghai Jiao Tong and Zhejiang University maintain direct research-to-production pipelines with mega-corporations (e.g., CATL, Huawei, BYD), allowing rapid prototyping of industrial tech.
* Project 985 & Double First Class Initiatives: The Chinese government funnelled billions of dollars into a select group of ~40 universities specifically to build world-leading STEM faculties.
* Specialized Technical Institutes: Unlike Western universities that emphasize liberal arts alongside STEM, Chinese technical universities function almost like dedicated, massive research labs focused strictly on targeted engineering verticals.