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Trump as crisis manager: water and power

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concordtom
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What's Trump gonna do about this, at a time when water and power demand is increasing but supply is decreasing?


Lake Powell, the second-largest reservoir in the United States, provides water and electricity to millions in the West. It has now has shrunk to its lowest level on record, in the latest sign of the alarming crisis unfolding on the drought-stricken Colorado River.

The reservoir's levels dropped to 3519.91 feet on Saturday, breaking the record low of 3,519.92 feet set in April 2023, according to data from the US Bureau of Reclamation published Sunday. It is now just under 30 feet away from the point at which its dam will no longer be able to generate hydropower.

The record comes nine days after downstream Lake Mead, the US's biggest reservoir, dropped to its lowest level since it was first filled nine decades ago. "We are in uncharted territory," said Jack Schmidt, director of the Center for Colorado River Studies at Utah State University.
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Tom, are you not aware that all Trump has to do is turn on the "large faucet" from Canada?

"You have millions of gallons of water pouring down from the north with the snow caps in Canada and all pouring down and they have essentially a very large faucet," he said.

"You turn the faucet and it takes one day to turn it. It's massive, it's as big as the wall of that building … and you turn that and all of that water goes … aimlessly into the Pacific and if they turned it back, all of that water would come right down here and right into Los Angeles."



Trump's claim 'large faucet' can divert Canadian water to California is false, expert engineers say | Fact Checking | thecanadianpressnews.ca

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concordtom
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There's been some brainstorm that we could send flood season excess from the Mississippi to the west, but Louisiana needs every ounce of silt. Reducing flows would harm their ever-eroding coastline as I understand it.

Another idea I heard was sending Columbia River water east of Portland (how far east I dunno) south.


But, water aside, we are at a dangerous level for loss of electricity.
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Does Trump really care about issues that don't really personally affect Really Rich Guys that are on his life timeline?
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concordtom
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30 feet
5 feet
What is lost? See at bottom


I just had a conversation with ChatGPT to get educated. Here's how it works. There are two bodies of water each with their own damn, and they are interconnected such that if you release water from Powell, you feed Mead.

POWELL
Lake Powell water goes through Glen Canyon Dam hydroelectric plant. That generates max of 1,320 MW.
The water level is 30 feet away from not being able to produce. Further, there is concern that at these critical levels, they would not even be able to release water into mead at all, regardless of the hydroelectric gain. Electricity goes to Upper + Lower Basin/WAPA: customers are primarily in:
* Arizona
* Colorado
* New Mexico
* Utah
* Wyoming
* plus some customers in Nebraska

MEAD
After water flows through Powell/Glen Canyon, it goes into Lake Mead and then passes through Hoover Dam hydroelectric plant. It produces maximum generation of 2,074 MW.
Hoover's power is handled through WAPA's Desert Southwest (DSW) region.
Its principal customers are in:
* Arizona
* Nevada
* California

Lake Mead is around 1,040 ft right now.
* At 1,035 ft, Hoover reaches a major hydropower operating threshold. That's just 5 feet.
* At that point, 12 of Hoover's 17 older turbines become unusable
because of cavitation, leaving the five newer wide-head turbines. Power capacity falls dramatically from roughly 1,300 MW currently to about 382 MW.
* It does NOT stop producing electricity at 1,035 ft.
* Hoover's actual minimum power-pool elevation is about 950 ft, thanks to those newer turbines.


Normal annual generation:
Glen Canyon ~3.8 TWh/yr
Hoover ~4.2 TWh/yr
COMBINED ~8.0 TWh

The Western U.S. generates on the order of 900 TWh/year, depending on exactly which states/region you include.

So:

6.7 / 900 = 0.7%

But here's the really important distinction

That 0.7% doesn't mean the event is insignificant.

Those 6.7 TWh are cheap, dispatchable hydroelectricity, and they're concentrated in particular areas.

The impact would be disproportionately large on the federal-power customers that depend on these dams.

For example, WAPA's entire portfolio generated about 22.5 TWh in FY2023.

So if you looked at WAPA's own generation, rather than the entire Western grid:

6.7 / 22.5 = 30%
Eastern Oregon Bear
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concordtom said:

There's been some brainstorm that we could send flood season excess from the Mississippi to the west, but Louisiana needs every ounce of silt. Reducing flows would harm their ever-eroding coastline as I understand it.

Another idea I heard was sending Columbia River water east of Portland (how far east I dunno) south.


But, water aside, we are at a dangerous level for loss of electricity.
Both of those water diversion ideas would require pumping water over a few mountain ranges. It would be hideously expensive, not to mention that a significant amount of water would be lost to evaporation.
DiabloWags
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But... but... but everyone knows that water goes from NORTH to SOUTH.

Hence, the "faucet" from Canada!

Bwahahahahahaha!
Anarchistbear
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50% of Colorado water goes to agriculture, 25% to Municipal water. Even if water is diverted or restored the allotments on the river still exceed supply. Massive population growth in places like Phoenix is threatened. Not sure I'm sympathetic. .
dajo9
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Anarchistbear said:

50% of Colorado water goes to agriculture, 25% to Municipal water. Even if water is diverted or restored the allotments on the river still exceed supply. Massive population growth in places like Phoenix is threatened. Not sure I'm sympathetic. .


We need to reduce cow feed agriculture from Colorado River water (alfalfa, etc.). Much of it gets exported anyway.
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concordtom
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Desalination
Anarchistbear
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concordtom said:

Desalination


This would likely be San Diego ( which has desal) giving up their water rights to Phoenix in exchange for money. Don't think they are going to pump seawater thousands of miles over elevation.
dajo9
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concordtom said:

Desalination


Desalination is very expensive and energy intensive. We don't need desalination so we can feed cows in Saudi Arabia.
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concordtom
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Well, water has to come from somewhere.
Right now there are few solutions on the table other than hoping it's a wet winter every other year.

We are entering multiple crises and there's just passive discussion about it.
BearlySane88
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Is this the solution?

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